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be toxic. we begin with the trump campaign and cnn's sunlen serfaty. >> reporter: on the eve of super tuesday, a chaotic close to campaigning. trump's raucous rally in virginia interrupted by protesters. >> get them out of here, please. are you from mexico? are you from mexico? >> reporter: and a violent scuffle between secret service and a news photographer slammed to the ground after trying to get a slam of the chaos, all while trump deals with his latest controversy. refusing to disavow former kkk grand wizard david duke and other white supremacists backing his campaign. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election? >> well, just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke. okay? i don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. so i don't know.
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>> reporter: trump attempting some damage control, tweeting a video from a previous press conference friday when he did disavow duke's support and pointing to that fact today. >> we looked at it and looked at the question, i disavowed david duke. so i've disavowed david duke all weekend long on facebook, on twitter. and obviously it's never enough. >> reporter: all this giving marco rubio another opening to pounce. >> you say david duke to me, i say racist. immediately. >> reporter: rubio with his voice hoarse. >> trying to get my barry white voice going here. >> reporter: and cruz both keeping up their all-out assault on trump. >> where was donald in the gang of eight? not only was he nowhere to be found, donald trump was funding the gang of eight. >> reporter: meanwhile, despite pressure from some party elders to exit the race, john kasich says even though he has no hope of winning any states tomorrow, he is staying put. >> marco rubio is trailing in
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florida by 17 points. why aren't they telling him to get out and get behind me? i have a better chance of winning in ohio than he does in florida. >> reporter: a new cnn/orc poll out today shows trump with a commanding lead of the field nationally. trump 33 points ahead of his closest rival, beating his four remaining opponents combined. faced with this, the republican party establishment is now in full-on panic mode, fearing that trump is well on his way to becoming the likely gop nominee. >> sunlen serfaty joins us now. you've been with the cruz campaign today in texas. how important is a win in texas for that candidate? >> so crucial for ted cruz, anderson. widely seen as really a do or die state for his campaign. if he loses here in texas, his home state, it would be widely seen not only as an embarrassment but as a crushing blow, a symbolic defeat. also when you are talking about the all-important math here,
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when we're talking about delegates, that contributes in large part to a candidate's viability going forward. there are 155 delegates at stake here in texas. the cruz campaign has always made texas really the cornerstone of how they will amass this treasure trove of delegates going forward. so that threatens to really cut into that if they don't perform well here tomorrow. they have invested a large part of this week, four out of the seven days here in their home state of texas. three events today. he is still going tonight. ted cruz has a rally in houston later tonight. they certainly are putting up the pressure here in their hometown. ted cruz has said that he predicts a very good day for himself here in texas. but, of course, the stakes are sky high for him to make that happen. anderson? >> sunlen serfaty, thanks very much. joining us now, the republican candidate who's been trying in nearly every way imaginable to position himself as the anti-trump. ohio governor john kasich. whose state ohio winner take all on march 15th --
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>> but i'm not doing it with throwing mud. >> that's the thing. >> personal attacks. >> you've been trying to set yourself apart in terms of how you are speaking, how you are talking to voters. when you see those images of -- >> that looked like something out of some other country, the fighting. but anderson, i don't think that you beat donald trump by attacking him personally. i think it's a matter of telling people what your record is, what you have accomplished, who you are and what your vision is of the country. >> so you don't think the rhetoric that rubio has been using, which is getting him more coverage, more play probably, you don't think that's translating? >> it's not what i would do because i just think that -- look. it's all about how you want to be in this -- in the business of politics. i would rather be positive about my ideas and my vision and, look, we're getting great crowds. the problem is what i have faced, anderson, over the years is that -- or in this race is that people didn't pay attention to me until after new hampshire. let me tell you, when we head north and i win ohio, that's
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going to be a whole new day. and i'm not going to do it by smearing anybody. i'm not going to do it by taking politics down. i mean, there's a lot of people watching. and when you see those videos and you see the scuffling and then you hear the name-calling back and forth. >> talking about spray tans and makeup, little hands. >> look, i would rather not win than lower the bar. i would rather -- i've never run a campaign like that. i've run more campaigns than all of these people put together. i don't resort to that. i think it's about vision. it's about hope and unity. i'm hanging in there. >> when you see this national poll where donald trump has a greater percentage than all of you combined, what does that tell you? >> first of all, we don't run a national election now. it's state by state. and when we head north to michigan and ohio, we're going to see a game change. at the same time, people are frustrated. i was in chickapea, massachusetts yesterday. and a guy's in there. he says trump tells it like it
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is. and if i had said to him, well, let me tell you about his hands or his hair or whatever, the guy would have just blown me off. i had time to talk to him about why his wages are not going up, what i've done to fix that both in washington and ohio. if i were to talk to him about his kids' future, i could win that voter. but you're not going to win it if you're out there trashing him. i don't want to do that anyway. it's not right for the country. >> but at the last gop debate you were offered a chance. trump said, you know, cut waste, fraud, and abuse as a way to bring down the deficit. you were asked point blank is that really -- >> and i said it wasn't and i said how we would do it. and you know, as a result of being positive people are saying, you know, john kasich's the only adult on the stage. >> for you the path is what? you have to win ohio. >> yes, i absolutely have to win ohio. if i don't win ohio, i'm out. >> you're sout. >> you know what i said, i said if i get smoked in new hampshire i'd be out. i finished second. >> do you think if ted cruz doesn't win texas he should -- >> i think it's very hard, anderson. if you can't win your own home
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state, then i don't know why you're in the race. that's for every candidate to decide. people say, you should get out of the race. no, maybe they should get out of the race. i've got a better chance -- i don't know what cruz is going to do in ohio -- or in texas tomorrow. but i know how i'm going to do in ohio. i'm going to win it. once you head north, you move from ohio, you have pennsylvania, illinois, these are places i can do very well. >> we're hearing from some establishment republicans, whatever that means these days, who are now publicly saying i don't know what i would do if it's donald trump and hillary clinton. i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton, but i can't vote for donald trump. do you worry about what happens to the gop? >> well, i'm worried about the gop when we're not running a campaign based on ideas. i actually believe in politics. you get your energy from ideas. you unite people with ideas. if you are negative -- i'm not sure you can even win ohio with that kind of a negative message. at some point people are going to say, okay, i expressed myself but now we're picking a president of the united states.
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>> but if you're waiting to ohio to get -- >> well, it's coming soon. it's right around the corner. >> but by then a lot of delegates will already be decided. >> but not so many i can't win the delegates i need to win. >> so if you win ohio you see what? then minds begin to shift? >> i'm going to get attention. people are going to continue to hear my message. we're getting huge crowds everywhere we go and we're getting enthusiastic people. and we have more people signing up and helping us with the fund-raising. and the reason it's happening is because i think they want to see the bar raised and not lowered. >> do you see a potential for a brokered convention? >> well, i mean, it could always happen. i just think that it is unlikely to happen. but if we're going to have a brokered convention i can't think of a better place than cleveland, ohio. >> governor kasich, thank you. a pleasure. >> all right, anderson, thank you. >> before bringing back the panel, i want to play a little bit of reaction from republican congressman peter king when asked about how donald trump handled jake tapper's question over the weekend about kkk leader david duke. >> the thought that anyone can even listen to a question about
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david duke without immediately saying he's a racist, he's a bigot, i want nothing to do with him, i want nothing to do with the cue clux clan. he said he didn't know who david duke was, didn't know what a white supremacist is. it's disgraceful. i'm saying this as a catholic. i know the klan has gone after blacks and jews over the years. i know what they did to al smith, what they've done to catholics over the years. this is a vicious anti-american group. by him not denouncing it, first of all it's a reflection on him. either he's dumb or he's a liar, one or the other. also what it does to the republican party. if we get branded as the party of the ku klux klan we're going to get destroyed. >> with that we're joined once again by our panelists. gloria borger, david axle hod, nia malika henderson, angela rye, kayleigh mcenany and bacarri sellers. does this kkk argument to peter king's point, does it continue? does it actually -- because rubio is using it now. it's been in the news cycle for the last two days. >> the republican establishment
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is already having this internal debate. some of it's an external public debate now. most of it's in private about do we embrace this guy if he's the nominee or do we turn and run? there are some who argue let's embrace him, let's not let the party fracture, even if we think he's nuts, even if he'll lose, if even if they which he'll hurt us, let's hug him. there are others who say turn and run. and the ones who say turn and run they say every congress the candidate, every candidate for dog catcher as a republican in this country right now is going to be asked hey, what do you think of the kkk, will you disavow david duke? hey, do you disavow donald trump? it just becomes this cycle that no matter what you're running for when you see a reporter now if oar a republican you're going to turn and go the other way because that's the question you're going to get. >> i was talking to someone today who's involved with those senate campaigns and he said to me if donald trump is the nominee they're going to tell candidates you're alone, you run as who you are. you don't have to explain anybody else. and i think there's also some concern, quite frankly, about corporations funding the
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convention, for example. will corporations ante up for all those big-ticket items they usually pay for at conventions et cetera, et cetera, when you have these kinds of questions rumbling around. there are questions about what it does to the brand of the republican party which they worked really hard to try and get in a good place. >> anderson, the question is what happened there? what exactly happened there? let's stipulate that mr. trump says he had problems with the earpiece. but the fact is presidential campaigns, as much as issues or anything else, they are a series of tests to see how people react under pressure. and this was a situation where he got asked a question and you can see him trying to make the calculation as to how to answer this question. i think it's a reflection of the fact he's a very tactical candidate. and he was trying to figure out what the math was on that. and he got caught in a bad moment.
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how many -- you know, that is symptomatic of a problem that can get repeated over and over again as you get more and more scrutiny. and it will be interesting to see how he handles -- >> i think hugh hewitt called it a disqualifying moment. >> he called it disqualifying. marco rubio certainly did too. they're obviously -- >> because they're eager to disqualify him too. >> they're eager to disqualify him. i guess the thing is trump is leading in all of these states in the south so the idea he somehow needs this dog whistle to make the sale on tuesday is a little odd. but he does have a way of trying to figure out what his audience wants to hear, and he's also this candidate where you know, there's something for everyone. so in this instance it's like, well, if you like david duke, then you like the fact that -- >> what doesn't make sense is he did disavow the guy two days before. so that's another thing -- >> he's sort of playing both sides against the middle. he knows his audience. he was in georgia today saying i'm the messenger for you, i know how you feel. so you know, we'll have to see.
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i also think at some point maybe this will be in the rearview mirror. we know how donald trump is. he kind of goes from controversy to controversy. >> certainly once he's running against a democrat, you can already imagine the commercials that a superpac will be doing based on this and other comments and some of the things he's retweeted. >> what has he not given us? he's given us p.o.w.s. he's talked about hispanic americans. he's talked about the disabled. he's talked about journalists. i mean, now the kkk? donald trump has done everything but he's also gone against common wisdom. is this going to hurt donald trump tomorrow? no. but this repeated onslaught, these controversies as we're calling them, i just call them just dangerous rhetoric that's divisive and not good for our country. democrats are going to beat him across the head with this. and to gloria's point i believe the people like rob portman, the people who have to win elections for the united states senate to stay in the hands of republicans, they're in more danger with donald trump at the top of the ticket than anything else. >> kayleigh, you disagree? >> this has been an all-out effort to attack donald trump.
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first he was a con man, then he was a flip-flopper then sexist then he was a racist. there's been every effort to paint him as one of these labels. >> and none of it has stuck. >> he still may be a racist. >> no -- you truly think he is -- >> i think that he has found a vein of bigotry and xenophobia and he's playing in that vein because it's going to -- they vote as well. >> bacarri, i reject that. you really think that proclaiming support for the kkk is a viable viewpoint that would pick up a lot of votes in this country? >> why did he not disavow it? >> because his earpiece malfunctioned. >> the earpiece didn't malfunction. there were -- and i said this earlier. there were seven states he's going into where there's a wing of the republican party or at least folks that would vote republican that support that rhetoric. >> you're saying the south is racist. >> you're not saying that. >> you know what's offensive is the fact that there are people there that are racist and that want the confederate flag flying over state capitols that was just taken down. >> that is not the majority. >> i'm not saying it's the majority but here's the thing i
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do want to say. in 2012 the gop had to do an autopsy report because they have a problem reaching out to black and brown voters. donald trump and his rhetoric and the danger that exists with the words he speaks and what he allows to happen in his space, whether it's a black lives matter activist -- >> then why does polling show him leading the black vote against hillary clinton by 25%? >> i don't know what -- >> 25%. >> wait a minute. you believe donald trump will win the african-american -- >> no. not beat her 25%. win 25% of the african-american vote. the only minority poll we have which came out in september shows him winning -- >> i'm sorry. nia? >> let me just say this. >> nia. >> there's a more recent poll that came out two weeks ago that shows him with 12% hypothetical matchup. >> which is still more than romney. >> it's more than romney and -- >> he's not running against an african-american man. >> and that was before the kkk comment. >> the first african-american president -- candidate to run for president. but look, donald trump's earpiece, unless you are one of his firm supporters, you realize
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his earpiece did not malfunction. his brain malfunctioned temporarily for that brief moment because he had disavowed david duke -- >> it could have just been a bad interview. like a brain -- >> a brain freeze. okay. it happens. and i am actually fine with people getting asked, other republican candidates getting asked the question. because until now every single one has been solid in disavowing the kk and disavowing -- >> it's pretty easy, right? >> there's an easy out for donald trump here that is a win-win. he can beat up the media and say, look, i didn't hear the question and then look right into the camera. now today after the fact. say i didn't hear the question, i had a bad earpiece, maybe i was tired, i'm not blame anybody but look, look straight into the camera and say i disavow david duke, i disavow white supremacists, i disavow racists, if they're out there for me i have nothing to do with it, i don't want their support. stop. and then look -- say stop asking me these questions. >> but it's been more than 24 hours. >> if he wanted to do that he could do that.
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texas and donald trump is favored in the other ten. >> is there anyone who believes that donald trump will not be the republican nominee? >> well -- >> i don't think he -- >> i have to believe -- >> hopeful. >> i will call it a belief, wishful thinking, hope, prayer, hanging on for dear life. >> where is the possibility that he does not become the nominee? what is that path? for who? >> you know, i think -- i don't know if it's going to be timely, but at some point there will be one person left versus donald trump. >> you sure about that? that's the issue. that's the issue. >> they'll be battered. they'll be bruised. they'll probably be poverty stricken. but there will be one left. will there be time enough to consolidate the anti-trump vote, which is significant, and will that vote consolidate? will the cruz voters, rubio voters, will the kasich voters all turn into one? that's a question that needs to be answered. who will be left standing is a question that needs to be answered. and will there be enough time to
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still beat trump? >> you really like the trump/rubio matchup? i mean, it seems to me that rubio -- >> nia, i'll take the trump versus anyone matchup. give me one last person standing. >> but also, doesn't that theory, sort of your unicorn theory, doesn't that -- >> pink flying unicorn. >> sort of your my pretty pony unicorn theory, doesn't that -- the idea is that if cruz drops out all those votes go to rubio, which is not what's going to happen. you're going to have some of those cruz votes going to donald trump. >> that's what i'm saying. that's one of the questions that needs to be answered. >> another theory -- >> gloria has another theory. although you didn't raise your hand saying you didn't think it was -- but you can do a theory. >> second unicorn theory. is that there are two campaigns now talking about it which is this contested convention which is that nobody gets out. i mean, you just spoke with john kasich. he's not going to get out. i mean, i don't think he's going to get out right away. if his funders stay with him and they love him, he won't.
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>> if he wins ohio. >> if he wins ohio. and he's backed by the state party in ohio which is different for marco rubio in florida. and if cruz wins texas, i don't think he's going to get out. so there are people -- i know it's a unicorn theory, but -- >> here's my question. i think your unicorn -- >> can i finish my unicorn theory? wait a minute. i want to finish it. i want to finish the unicorn theory. >> okay, go ahead. >> which is that you go to a convention. he doesn't get the requisite number of delegates. you have a first ballot in which everyone is bound and then on the second all hell breaks -- >> this is like the double rainbow and unicorn. >> and by the way, it deteriorates into blows on the convention floor. >> let's accept this unicorn theory for a moment. >> oh, yeah. >> what happens to a political party who takes its front-runner who's won almost enough delegates to get nominated and you say to his supporters we are throwing your votes out and we're going to substitute our judgment? >> but as a democrat, we just spent the first hour and 15
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minutes talking about the front-runner of the republican party and him avowing or disavowing the kkk. i mean, that is the level of political discourse that we're having in this country on the republican side. and marco rubio, who is a complete superstar, who any democrat will tell you they don't want to run against in november if they're being honest with themselves is being reduced to having to talk about hands and having to talk about who peed on who. this is the conversation that we're having on the republican side. so if it goes to the convention and all hell breaks loose, we'll sit back -- >> by the way, just -- >> i was going to -- >> i was going to say -- >> by the way, anderson, darling, let me look at your hands. >> i was going to say for accuracy's sake i don't think anybody was actually peeing on anyone. >> but you see where the conversation is. >> but does rubio change tactics after the shellacking he's likely going to get on tuesday? maybe he'll beat cruz in some of these states. it looks like he's doing okay. >> what if marco rubio -- >> marco rubio's turning this into a two-man race.
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the only thing we've been talking about -- >> except there's still five guys on the ballot. >> we rarely talked -- >> two-man race and he's got the larger hands. >> marco has taken the page out of donald trump's book and said things that are really outrageous. i think it's a double-edged sword. on the one hand, yes, he's getting the media narrative. yes, he's getting the attention. yes, he's turning it into a two-man fight. on the other hand, he's turning off a lot of people. i think it emphasizes his youth. i think that a lot of people are used to a very optimistic marco rubio who speaks in poetic prose about the exceptionalism of america. and hearing him talk about -- >> but kayleigh raised a point earlier. which i think is an important one to emphasize. it goes to what bakari was saying. bakari was saying this kkk, we've had this narrative. we've had this narrative and the media has and those who are opposed to donald trump have had it. but trump supporters, this is not a discussion it seems like they're having. they feel they know who this candidate is. they know what's in his heart. they know what's in his head.
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and they know what's in -- what he, you know, hopes to do as president. >> i think it's important to look al each of these elections we've had. nearly 60 -- pushing 70% of the vote has gone to outsider candidates. and i include ted cruz among that. ted cruz and donald trump are the two candidates receiving very few endorsements which i think in this electoral cycle with this temperature in the nation, that's a good thing. because rubio's consolidating the congressmen, he's consolidating the governors but it makes him look like a washington insider in an election that's about being an outsider. >> we're going to leave it there. want to thank our panel. just ahead, another item in addition to the david duke story. a white nationalist group making robocalls supporting donald trump saying among other things the white race is dying out because we're afraid to be called racist. the trump campaign says it knows nothing about this group. up next, drew griffin investigates why they're throwing their support behind trump.
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as we've been discussing, donald trump is getting support from all kinds of places, including white supremacist. david duke is supporting him citing among other things trump's stance on immigration. the anti-defamation league has called on him to condemn david duke and other racist groups' support, something trump failed
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to do when jake tapper asked him about it on "state of the union" this weekend. tapper pressed him on it three times. each time he said he knew nothing about david duke. fast forward to the "today" show this morning. he took three different approaches. he said he disavowed duke before, which he had at a press conference on friday, and also years before, calling him a racist and bigot. he also blamed his answers on a quote lousy earpiece on tapper's show. as you saw in our last hour, i asked donald trump's wife melania about it when i spoke to her earlier today. >> i'm sure you know there was an interview he gave yesterday where jake tapper was asking him about david duke, disavowing him and the kkk and he didn't disavow. he had done it previously several days before, and he's now put out a statement -- >> well, he disavowed many times. he disavowed press conference on friday. so i don't know why media needs to ask him so many times because he disavowed. >> when you saw that interview, did you think that's going to be a problem? >> i don't think so because they
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were asking him about the groups, and he said i don't know about the groups, what you are talking about, the groups. so he disavowed. many, many times. so media just bringing up, bringing up all the time. >> so just to be clear, donald trump disavowed duke at a news conference on friday. it does then raise questions why two days later he claims to not know who david duke was. was it a brain freeze or faulty earpiece. was it something else? it's up to you to decide. this is all bringing attention to another group of people coming out to support donltd trump cnn reported on a couple weeks ago. robocalls from a white nationalist group started to flood early voting states like iowa, new hampshire and vermont before their votes. now the same group is expanding its robocalls to some super tuesday states. the message? cnn's drew griffin lets you listen in. >> reporter: this is the super tuesday message trump's white
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nationalist supporters are making in their robocalls ahead of tomorrow's vote. >> the american national superpac makes this call to support donald trump. i am william johnson, a farmer and white nationalist. the white race is dying out in america and europe because we're afraid to be called racist. i'm afraid to be called racist. donald trump is not a racist but donald trump is not afraid. don't vote for a cuban. vote for donald trump. >> reporter: the american national super pac is a confederation of white nationalists across the u.s. jerod taylor is the online editor of amran, the outlet of one of these groups called the american renaissance. >> most white people would prefer to live in majority white neighborhoods and send their children to majority white schools. and deep in their bones they are deeply disturbed by an immigration policy that is making the united states majority non-white. and so when donald trump talks about sending out all the illegals, building a wall, and a moratorium on islamic immigration, that's very appealing to a lot of ordinary white people.
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>> reporter: taylor, who says he's a white advocate, not a supremacist, thinks whites should live with whites, blacks should live with blacks. >> why should we want more muslims? muslims have been a terrible problem for europe. and here they want to pray five times a day, stop the assembly line. they want foot baths for before they go to prayer. they want women-only swimming pool hours. and some of them want to kill us. why should anyone want more muslims in the united states? >> many of the things you are saying, people would interpret as vile and racist. >> they can call me all the names they like. but what i'm saying is natural, normal and healthy. >> do you think that donald trump wants your support? >> i don't know whether he wants it or not. i think he wants support from everyone. whether or not he'd agree with me is an entirely other matter. remember, it is i who am supporting donald trump, not donald trump who is supporting me. >> reporter: late this afternoon the trump campaign sent cnn this
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statement saying "mr. trump nor the campaign have knowledge of this group or the calls being made. we immediately disavow all related activity." to be clear, the american national super pac says it has nothing to do with the official trump campaign and has no communication with donald trump. its white nationalist members just like trump and are willing to support him whether the candidate welcomes them or not. just to button this up -- >> yes. >> -- all those views you hold, donald trump's your man? >> well, he is the best man so far. >> so this guy says he's the best candidate so far. what does he believe donald trump will do as president that he's so excited about? >> first, this guy we interviewed complained about an earlier story saying we misspoke about what he believes, he doesn't believe we should get rid of muslims, he just doesn't want any more muslims. he wrote us a letter to tell us we should show that distinction to our viewers. so there you go. what he believes donald trump will do is he will send away all
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illegal immigrants, he will build a wall on the border with mexico, and he will stop all islamic immigration, at least temporarily. that's why they are supporting him. that's why they say donald trump is their man. >> and just to be clear, the trump campaign has said look, we don't know anything about this group, we completely disavow what they're saying. i mean, is this a big group? are these groups big? because, i mean, any group can sort of glom onto a candidate to try to get publicity, to try to raise money, and that may very well be what this group is trying to do. >> and believe me, these groups are getting publicity that they never would have gotten just based on -- they live on their websites. we really don't know. they believe their group, they claim their group's hundreds of thousands strong. we have no way of knowing that. they base that on how many people go to their websites. >> which is a ridiculous metric. >> of course. the fact is we could be dealing with very, very small group of people who've collected enough money to put on these robocalls, which is very cheap to do. but they are getting these
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robocalls out now state after state after state. they are moving with this campaign. >> disturbing calls to get. no doubt about it. drew griffin, thanks very much. just ahead, more on my interview with melania trump. i asked her what kind of first lady she hopes to be if she gets to the white house. >> we are in 21st century. i will be me. i will be different than any other first ladies. i will -- i will help women. i will help children. they are our future. they need our guidance and help. and also i am involved in many, many charities already, so i will choose one or two that are very dear to me, and work on that. they think that it's sad. i think it's important for everyone to know that there is so much more to memory support than the stigmas you hearabout.
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now more of my one on one interview with melania trump. she told me she doesn't always agree with everything her husband donald trump says but she lets him be him and he lets her be her. in the second part of the interview i asked her what kind of first lady she hopes to be. take a look.
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>> if your husband is elected president, i think you would be the second foreign-born first lady. i think john quincy adams' wife -- it hasn't happened in a long time. john quincy adams' wife was born overseas. have you thought about being the first lady, what it would mean? >> we are in 21st century. i would be me. i would be different than any other first ladies. i will -- i will help women. i will help children. they are our future. they need our guidance and help. and also i am involved in many, many charities already, so i will choose one or two that are very dear to me and work on that. >> when you say help women and children, do you have a sense of how? or in what way? >> well, i don't have -- i have ideas i have, but let's see what happens. i take it day by day.
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we don't know what will happened, and we will see. so then we could talk. >> i saw the interview you did in 2000 when your husband was thinking about running with this reform party. you'd said you'd be a traditional first lady. you named betty ford, jacqueline kennedy. is that sort of the model you're still thinking of? >> well, they -- i see around they compare me to jackie kennedy. it's an honor, but of course we are in 21st century, and i will be different. and she had the great style, and she did a lot of good stuff, but this is different time now. we have a different problems that we need to take care of. and we will focus on that. >> being part of this campaign, running for president, is it a lot different than you thought it was going to be? or is it -- >> i didn't -- i take it day by day. i didn't think much about it. and i support my husband 100%. but i am not on the campaign
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because we have a 9-year-old son baron at home. and i'm raising him. he needs a parent at home. i'm teaching him morals and values and preparing him for his life to be an adult. >> are you worried about if you do get to the white house the attention that comes for your child? >> we will deal with that. i say day by day and he will be in good hands no matter what happens. and attention is already from the first day that he was born. so we are used to that. we have a thick skin. we are smart. we are tough. and we can handle it. >> do you speak -- i understand he knows slovenian. do you speak in slovenian to him? >> yes. sometimes. and he speaks with my parents. >> that's amazing. >> yes. >> does mr. trump know any words? >> maybe few, but i'm not that kind of wife that say you need to learn.
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>> you didn't try to get him to learn. >> no. >> is there something in particular you're looking forward to about being in the white house? is there -- >> i take it day by day. i'm enjoying life. i live meaningful life. i think we need to bring america together. we need compassion. we need kindness. we need jobs, of course. that's my husband's job to do. and he will do very well. he's a great leader. great communicator. he gets along with people, and great negotiator. >> do you think this campaign is going to go on for a long time or do you think things are going to back pretty clear very soon? >> well, tomorrow it's super tuesday. so we will see what happens. and we will see. he's working hard. he's connecting with american people. he will work for them. and we will see what happens.
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but you know, he's -- he's here till the end. >> do you see yourself playing a larger role moving forward on the campaign trail, or do you see yourself continuing as it has been? >> maybe a little bit more interviews. but as the traveling, i need to be a parent to my -- to my child. and i am with my husband traveling when i can. i was in iowa, new hampshire. i go for the debates. and when i can, i'm there. >> any speech-making in your future? >> we don't know yet. not thinking about that yet. >> well, melania trump. hispanics will be a key voting bloc in texas tomorrow. ted cruz holding a late rally in houston. he's one of two latinos in the race. and that's a first. the question, though, does that add up to an edge in the gop? randi kaye talked to voters and some of what they say may surprise you. that's next. every day you read headlines about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us.
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>> show of hands. how important is it to you to have a hispanic president, the first hispanic president? do you care? one of you? so it's not really a big deal. >> most qualified. i want the most qualified. >> the most qualified. >> reporter: most qualified candidate to some in this group of hispanic voters is donald trump. >> my fellow trumpsters are equally excited. we haven't been this excited about an election in a long time. >> reporter: on the eve of super tuesday we gathered these hispanic voters at southern methodist university in the heart of dallas, george w. bush country. turns out, not only do a handful of them like trump, they've hardly been offended by anything he's said. all but two in our group support trump's idea of building a wall at the southern border. >> okay. what a lot of people don't realize with the whole immigration issue is that if a person comes over to this country and they don't have the right documentations, it's
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against the law. i don't understand why people don't get that. >> there's no such thing as open borders. if we have open borders, we don't have a country, as mr. trump has said. >> reporter: undecided voter alana boinrostro likes kasich and rubio. she's against trump's wall. >> and i'm looking for a leader that will unite, will not use fiery rhetoric. i want someone who can bring us together as a nation, build bridges, not walls. >> reporter: florida senator marco rubio is popular among this group. supporters think he would be strong against hillary clinton on foreign policy. delia reyes also likes rubio's immigration plan, which doesn't include mass deportation. >> i can't imagine how they are going to take 11 million people. what's it going to do to the economy? i am sorry. but when you go to restaurants and you go everywhere, who's building houses? who's serving the food? >> reporter: only one voter here supports texas senator ted cruz.
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>> he's so strong on the issue of religious liberty, on the issues i care as a christian, on >> reporter: duke machado has crossed cruz off his list because of his plan to deport illegal immigrants. >> he would not be senator today if he were honest with texas voters when he was running his campaign and told them that he wants to round them all up. if that's what his plan was, he would never have been elected. >> reporter: chris thrillkyl doubts cruz could get anything accomplished in washington as president. >> he's made his name by burning every single bridge in washington in terms of the senate and congress. he's the most disliked man in washington. >> reporter: and if in the end donald trump is the republican nominee, this rubio supporter vows to skip the republican ticket. you're saying you won't vote for donald trum. he's the nominee? absolutely not. why not? >> when you look at him in the debates he's a man who's very thin skinned, very emotional. in terms of being the commander in chief, being the guy who has
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the trigger on nuclear weapons, i would rather have hillary clinton have those judgment calls than donald trump frankly. i don't think he has the emotional capacity. >> oh, my god. wow. >> randi is joining me now from dallas. did you find anyone else in that group, republican voters who would not vote for trump if he's the nominee? because they seemed to react very sharply to him. >> reporter: two voters in all told us they would absolutely not vote for donald trump if he is indeed the republican nominee. another besides the guy you saw at the end of the piece is a young woman who says she believes donald trump is a con artist, as marco rubio says. she also worries he could make a mockery of the united states. she's considering either a write-in candidate or maybe staying home on election day. but there was also a great deal of support for donald trump as you saw, one guy telling me today that not only is he voting for donald trump but his father who's a lifelong democrat, a lifelong union member, is also voting for donald trump. and i also think it's important to point out, anderson, we did talk a lot about the immigration
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issue there. but for these voters many other issues are going into who to vote for. jobs, religion, small government, which is what they're looking for, and freedom of religion certainly, anderson. so a lot of decisions here. >> all right, randi, thanks very much. we'll be right back. ♪ i'm savin' you five hundred coming soon from progressive, it's "savin' u," the new hit single from the dizzcounts. ♪ cash money ♪ the biggest discount and understand... ♪ the dizzcounts. safe driver, paperless, paid-in-full, multi-car and joey fatone. ♪ savin' you five hundred ♪ i'm savin' you five hundred we have auto-tune, right? oh, yeah. that's a hit! all: yeah! [ woman ] thanks. the dealership reviews on cars.com made it easy, but... [ man ] we thought it might be a little more tense. you miss the drama? yeah. [ technician ] ask him whatever you want. okay. ♪ do you think my sister's prettier than me? ♪
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one final note before we go tonight, a moment at the white house, edward byers who helped
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to rescue an american doctor is humbled today, saying the honor really goes to the s.e.a.l. who saved his life. that does it for us, cnn with don lemon starts now. >> they don't call it super tuesday for nothing, and this one could mean one for donald trump. >> we're winning with old, with young, with highly educated. right? we're winning with highly educated. right? we're winning with a little bit less than highly educated, which is okay. i love you. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. voters in a dozen states ready to cast ballots tomorrow. hundreds of delegates up for grabs. is donald trump unstoppable? look at this. a new cnn poll gives him a 30-point lead over his gop rivals.