the gop's war on trump. does that help the democrats? >> watch how he respond to my speech today. >> he was begging for my endorsement. i could have said, mitt, drop to your knees he would have dropped to your knees. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. let's face it, a lot of them agreed with mitt romney but none of them were voting for donald

trump. tonight i'm going to talk to an outsider who ran and won. that's jesse ventura. plus, the republicans battling for the soul of their party. what does it mean for the democrats? and could hillary clinton's e-mail woes still trip her up? >> bakari sellers have a former member of the south carolina statehouse. and cnn political contributor van jones! my dream team is here this evening, except for bakari, but we'll include him anyway. bakari, romney is leading the charge to stop trump and trump is fighting back. watch this. >> donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as degree from trump university. >> he was begging for my endorsement pendorse me ment. i could have said, mitt, drop to your knees, he would have

dropped to his knees. he was b he was begging. >> he's not of the temperament of the person we need. >> he failed horribly. >> seems like they should be holding their fire for the democrats, bakari. this is open warfare. does this help the democrats in the race for the white house? >> it definitely does help the democrats. mitt romney and the establishment and the rest of the gop totally misread what donald trump is. donald trump is george wallace on steroids. it like george wallace 2.0. i think people forget or don't understand that populism matched with that anti-establishment rhetoric is driving people to the polls but there were opposition research democrats all across the country that were

sitting there just clipping those points that mitt romney was making 30 seconds at time. you'll hear those again in november. >> van, was this wallace before or after he denounced jim crowe in. >> probably before. let me say a couple things, though. everything does not come down to political strategy. if you believe and i believe mitt romney does, that this man would be bad for the republican party and also bad and dangerous for america, you have a moral responsibility to speak. we can't get to the point that everything comes down to what's poll tested and what's going to move this group or that group of voters. you don't want to be someone who two years or ten years from now did not do all you can do. you have to give some credit to say what you believe and let the chips fall where they may. >> van, also the "new york times" is reporting, let's talk about hillary clinton that, hillary clinton's advisers worry that trump could prove to be a

threat in some key states. should democrats worry about donald trump now? >> i have said repeatedly, do not sleep on donald trump. let me complain about the liberal coastal elite that keeps laughing at donald trump saying this can't happen here. it can happen here. donald trump has a case to make in the black rust belt, in pennsylvania, ohio, he can go there and talk about hillary clinton's husband signing nafta, talk about a whole set of issues that have never really been brought to black voters and democratic voters for a long time from a republican. his anti-trade position and xenophobia may play there. let's get off the elite, high horse looking down the nose at and take it seriously. >> welcome to the club, van. i said it in the summer.

>> i said it in the fall. >> okay. >> okay. i said why underestimate your opponents. should the democrats be nervous? >> certainly. bernie sanders agrees with donald trump when it comes to these trade agreements. bernie sanders is against them for the same reason as donald trump is, it's suppressed wages and lowered productivity in the united states. that's a major issue and one the democrats should keep their eye on because donald trump at least on the republican side seems to own it and trump came out with the a.p. polls showing he's pulling his support from a broad base of people, ideology, education, so this donald trump appealing it only working class

white males simply isn't true and, thirdly, the way he's been able to drive the turnout. paul begala has said the enthusiasm does worry him. >> you guys are sitting there saying i told you all that. >> nina you have to get in on this group because they will talk all over you. >> she's so shy. >> i agree with what van has h to say. as somebody who has run for office, there's only two ways to run, unopposed or run like hell. >> that is a fact. >> you never take your opponent for granted. the donald -- mr. trump rather is tapping in to some very real concerns in this country. we might not want to admit it. this is bigger than mr. trump. if he was standing alone that, would be one thing but the fact

had he has millions of people who are in his orbit right now who are willing to support him is another. i've been on this campaign trail, i've talked to democrats who are very much in support of senator sanders but if senator sanders is not the nominee who are pondering which republican they would vote for and that is real. >> amy you said it's not just white males -- >> he's not just attracting disaffected working class white males. he has a broad base of support. >> do you see americans possibly in support of donald trump? >> i have. the african-american community is not monolithic. the way that the media and elites are trying to paint mr. trump that, is not having an effect on his polling and how people are coming out to vote for him. i can definitely see that. and the point that i don't know if it was van or amy, i think it

was amy, in terms of nafta and those type of trade agreements, there's only candidate on the democratic side that's had a consistent record in terms of speaking out against those agreements because they have a negative impact on working class people in this country, particularly in states like ohio, like wisconsin and like michigan. go ahead. finish your thought. >> but senator sanders has been very consistent on that. he hasn't wavered in that. >> bakari, it wasn't quite an eye roll you gave, it was a little bit of a side eye when she said that. what was that about, bakari? >> no, i just -- i appreciate a lot of the respect that we're giving donald trump because he's earned it, but the fact of the matter is that xenophobia, the racism that he's dabbling, especially as my friend van said, was playing footse with

the kkk. hillary clinton has done extremely well with those voters and we'll get that test when we get to ohio and pennsylvania. i believe that a lot of -- go ahead, nina. >> a lot of those southern states the secretary is winning are states that democrats do not traditionally win in the general. south carolina is one very good example of that is and so is texas. i don't think this is about paying necessarily respect to m m mr. trump but it is a recognition that he is tapping into something and we can't sleep on him. >> watch this. >> given the current delegation selection process, i'd vote for marco rubio in florida, john kasich in ohio or ted cruz or which ever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating mr. trump in a given state. >> sources are saying that mitt

romney is looking to stop trump with a brokered convention with the idea that someone like paul ryan could come in as a white night. what do you think of that? >> the best thing to do is to keep the candidates in so they can win delegates and deny trump the magic 1,237 he would need to be able to clinch the republican nomination. what you heard mitt romney saying is, florida, give your delegates to marco rubio. ohio, give your delegates to john kasich. that denies donald trump those delegates, denies him coasting to the nomination, having a brokered convention and having a fight. we'll see if that strategy works. that's the big question mark. but that's what mitt romney was talking about. >> but so far voter turnout for republicans is double that of

democrats. >> it's a remarkable thing. what you have in the democratic party, you have a rebellion led by bernie sanders. it looks like if you go with what the polls are saying, the pundits are saying and no offense to nina, it looks like the establishment may be ail blo hold you out and equestithe que will be will the rebels stay or leave. you have ted cruz leading the tea party wing, donald trump leading what i call the circus wing and a split rebellion is bigger than the establishment. what that says to me is the effectiveness of the establishment trying to stop this rebellion at the convention is very questionable. >> i have to take a break. when we come back, the race card. plus, the outsider who may it

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let's discuss. mr. jones, to you first. vice president joe biden spoke at a black history month reception on super tuesday. he had this to say about donald trump and other gop candidates. >> i want to thank donald trump -- [ laughter ] >> that's a joke. that's a joke for the press that's here. but guess what? stuff he's doing and others, including cruz and others, he's making the american people look in the mirror. and the american people are honest. when they look in the mirror, they see what's looking back at them. they no there's no easy answer to this. >> so, van, the vice president is sarcastically thanking trump. is trump in a way, in one way, advancing the conversation on race? >> well, i think that he is, but i think that be careful who you

laugh at. just because democrats right now are able to convince, you know, african-americans, southerners to come out for hillary clinton does not mean that donald trump cannot make a very tough case that the democratic party has let down african-americans. he can say and you hear it coming from him, you've been poor a long time and democrats have kept you poor. i'm rich, let me help you get rich. don't forget and i'll let it go to others, don't forget for democrats to win, they have to get 90 plus percent of the black vote. can donald trump get george's 11% from 2000? it is conceivable. so i don't think the laughing is helping. >> amy, there have been independents and sort of centrist republicans, who have said for a long time that maybe african-americans should not be dedicating their votes so much to democrats, but is it tougher in this environment, especially

when you have the remarks of the kkk and so on from donald trump, for testimonies to possibly even consider voting for a republican? >> well, i think it's how deep they assess those sentiments to be for donald trump. i don't happen to think they are. we were talking about it last night. i don't think that donald trump is a racist i think he's an equal opportunity offender and vulgarian and there are a lot of groups that can say they don't like what he's had to say, when you c-- including people who hae disabilities, when he mocked the newspaper reporter. so many people are willing to let him slide on that stuff as a baked in the came personality donald trump. will the other groups of voters believe donald trump's promises? van makes a good case that they might.

donald trump has been a known property in american pop culture for decades. it not as if this is the first time we've discovered he's brash and offensive, it's a part of the brand. >> there are a lot of people -- african-americans why do we keep giving our votes to the democratic party when nothing seems to have gotten better? my paycheck is no better? >> i hear that all the time and while i am a democrat, i do critique my own party beep . we do need to do more that be give lip service to the -- >> senator bernie sanders? >> he is not talking about incremental process, he's

looking hard and long about the violence raeped upon black and brown people in the country. this is bigger than mr. trump. >> bakari, you and i talk about this on television and privately. should african-americans be reconsidering for the most part should they give their votes to democrats? >> i don't necessarily want to contrast bernie sanders and hillary clinton at this moment right now but what i do want to do is look at the level of conversation we're having. for the first time in a very long period of time, bernie sanders and hillary clinton are leading the democratic party in a conversation about race. and, yes, both candidates had to be pushed further along, both candidates had to learn the phraseology, the verbiage. both candidates had to understand the -- or attempt to understand the specific pain that many african-americans were feeling but that leads me to

this weekend. the democratic party is taking this directly to flint michigan where many black and brown babies are dying at the hands of their government because they simply don't have access to water. you contrast that to what's going on on the republican side and it's night and day. i don't want to use my 30 or 45 seconds to critique bernie sanders or critique or give props to hillary clinton but the democratic party is having the conversation. until the republican party joins us in having that conversation, the language that donald trump -- >> how many conversations can you have? go ahead, amy. >> the problems that you just enumerated, this is after eight years of a democrat in the white house. that is what we're discussing on this panel is whether or not that will be appealing to voters, which is what have you done for me lately? we've had a democratic president for the last eight years and we still are these problems in detroit week have polluted unemployed.nant wages and high

maybe we need to go shopping for someone new. >> to blame flint, michigan on barack obama -- >> we are talking about eight years of democrat at the top. >> we had years of barack obama. i dare not run down the litany that barack obama has had -- >> i'm glad you called them a litany. i do, too. >> while mitch mcconnell and paul ryan continue to do everything they can to make this president fail, he has stood up and done everything he can. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are light years away for doing better for african-americans than anybody, including mr. trump, on the republican side. >> havei have to go, van. >> i heard the microphone drop. >> to be continued. thank you. i appreciate all you.

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one man who know what is it's like to run against the political establishment and win is former minnesota governor jesse ventura. but unlike donald trump, he had political experience serving as the mayor of brooklyn park,

minnesota before running for governor. he joins me tonight with an exclusive interview. it so good to have you here. people keep saying that you're like donald trump, but i think you're probably more like bernie sanders. the last time we talked, though, very few people were taking trump's campaign seriously. now he's on track to be the gop's nominee and the party's trying to take down their own front-runner. what's going on? >> well, first of all, i think you're correct that my campaign was like bernie sanders. i only took $25 and $50 donations, i took no pac money, i only raised the 300,000. i made more money doing the job than what i paid to get it. no one else has done that. let's move forward, donald trump and all that. marco rubio came to minnesota and he won minnesota. but he came into town and insulted me and insulted everybody that voted for me. i got offended over that because

this is a man that wants to be the commander in chief of our military -- >> how did he insult you? >> he said i was an embarrassment. he said i'm still an embarrassment. >> let's play it. we'll play it and then we'll talk about it. i'll let you talk about it. >> jesse ventura was an embarrassment. let me rephrase that. jesse ventura is an embarrassment but donald trump will be an embarrassment to america, an embarrassment to anyone who supported him. this can't happen. if any state knows that, it minnesota. >> there's a guy who calls a vietnam veteran an embarrassment, a former mayor and governor who got elected by the people of minnesota embarrassment. and i did tremendous. i put in light rail, i revamped the whole property tax system, i

gave back three years of money rebates, i cut taxes, i did all this stuff and this guy, rubio and all the republicans, here's where mainstream media to me has dropped the ball. you're talking about race a great deal. what about war crimes? you have every candidate wanting to take us to war and they've all agreed they would be okay committing a war crime and they're going to be the commander in chief? i'm a former military. i'm offended over that. as a former military person, i wouldn't have gotten an honorable discharge if i would have committed a war crime. >> explain that, please, governor. >> it's called torture. it's called torture. and every one of these candidates has agreed that they would okay torture. that is a war crime. we want a president that openly admits he'd commit a war crime? i took an oath when i went into the united states military, i

served six years. i took an oath to defend the constitution. had i committed a war crime, i would not have gotten an honorable discharge and i wouldn't want somebody like the commander in chief telling me i was supposed to commit a war crime. none of these candidates ever served in the military so maybe they're just plain stupid and they don't know what a war crime is. >> is there anyone on the republican side that you said -- you said no one served in the military, they don't know what a war crime is. is there anyone on the republican side that you see fit to lead this nation at this point? >> no, because of that fact. every republican has stated that they would be okay with torturing people. that is a war crime, ladies and gentlemen. that's something i as a former military person am not allowed to do, commit a crime at war. and yet here potential commanders in chief like rubio,

all of them, none of them served in the military, so i assume they don't -- you know what i'd like to see, don? i'd like to see every republican candidate instead of a debate, let's water board them. let's bring them on national tv and water board them. i've been water boarded. i wasn't to survival, resistance, escape, evasion, that's what you were required to go into southeast asia many years ago when i essentially served. everybody was essentially water boar boarded. >> let's move on and talk about some of the things you talked about. you mentioned race. you probably heard about this whole thing with trump over the weekend, struggling to condemn david duke and the kkk.

he hedged a little bit. have you known trump to be a racist? what do you think about him hedging the kkk? >> i don't think he's a racist any more than any other white person may, you know, could be called a racist. he's never done anything that i've ever seen that was overtly racist, ever. and, you know, i played with donald out at the celebrity golf tournament out in tahoe. that's a mixture of races, every aspect of life, movie stars. rubio said trump and i both come from the entertainment so we're an embarrassment. excuse me, he says he's a follower of ronald reagan? he better do his homework. where the hell did ronald reagan come from? the entertainment industry, didn't he?

so rubio's a hypocrite. >> is there anyone on the democratic side you like? >> i don't know. i wanted bernie sanders to lead the revolution, and i just listened to all the blacks on your show, the african-americans saying where do we go to? how about if jesse ventura runs as a libertarian. that gives you a new alternative. in the democrats haven't helped you and republicans haven't helped you, they've been in charge for 120 years and we're what, 20 billion in debt now? they're incompetent yet everybody keeps voting for them. there are alternative candidates, people. >> are you throwing your hat into the ring? are you going to run? >> i'm considering it, that's all. i'll decide in the next month.

i've been invited to the libertarian convention. but there is alternatives. minnesota showed it when i ran. i'm a centrist. i'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal so i don't believe on either end. all the people in the middle is who elected me. that's how i love. norm coleman was way to the right, skip humphrey was to the left. they couldn't get back to the middle and it the middle that crows yo controls your election. >> you heard it here first -- >> i know, i had to say that. >> but you're considering running for president. >> absolutely i'm considering. i want to see the revolution continue. >> thank you. >> don, bernie's going to kill the revolution because he's going to endorse hillary.

somebody's got to carry it on. >> coming up, news on the investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails. will it trip her up in her campaign. kch

is now cooperating with the fbi and the justice department. clearly the clinton e-mail saga is not going away any time soon.

joining me to discuss, alan dershowitz. gentlemen, thank you for coming on. the latest development is a former aide who set up an e-mail server in clinton's home was granted immunity by the fab and he has given them documents. what do they want from bryan pagliano. does immunity mean -- >> hillary clinton has said she is glad he's cooperating. apparently he has told them that there was no hacking that went on. so i think this is relatively routine. she is neither a target nor a subject of the investigation so she'll probably never get a letter saying she's been cleared because she doesn't have to be cleared about anything. and although i have enormous respect for my former lawyer and

a great judge and great attorney general michael mckhazei, i don't think he's correct when he suggested in a very interesting article in the wall street journal that she will or might very well be subject to criminal prosecution on four types of crimes. i think because she didn't know that anything was classified, none of them were marked classified at the time she did these actions, that she could not be lawfully frustrated. >> do you want to respond mr. mckasich? do you want to respond to that? >> sure. i think i can agree with alan that the mere fact that somebody received immunity doesn't mean necessarily that a crime was committed. on the other hand, it does mean that this man wouldn't provide information unless he was given immunity so the fbi thought it was worth -- or the justice department and people of the highest reaches of the justice

department thought it was worth immunizing him because that doesn't happen without authorization at the upper echelons of the justice department. so far as what went on with the server, the fact is that there were classified documents on that server, hundreds if not thousands of them, and what alan says that they weren't marked classified, that's probably accurate. but the question is how did the classification get off? because unless you believe that thousands of documents passed over a restricted server that carries only classified information without a marking on them, magically without a marking on them, unless you believe that, then you have to ask yourself how it is that somebody took those documents off that server, either retyped them or summarized them and put them on an unclassified server. that's an interesting issue. >> let me ask you this. there was some place you were quoted, you didn't write that.

mr. m yukasey, other agencies he used private e-mails -- >> not to that extent. secretary rice and colin powell had confidential documents show up on their staffers' e-mail system. they did not set up parallel e-mail systems that were outside the government chain that were not subject to the freedom of information act and that were not subject to any control over whether information that was on them was classified or not. in addition to which i don't understand how alan can say that pagliano can say his server wasn't hacked. there's no way he could do know. he's the person that set it up but it then passed to other

people. >> it was said by who? >> said by government officials. those close to the government said they found no information that hackers -- not put american secrets in the hands of hackers or foreign government. >> so let's be clear, there's no evidence that hill hary clinton knew anything was classified, there's no evidence that any of it was hacked or got into foreign hands. so whatever else up may say, there's just no basis for criminal prosecution. >> there certainly is evidence that she knew. >> that it was classified? >> absolutely. >> how come you're the first who has ever said that? >> i'm not the first who ever said that. >> if she knew it was classified, it would be an open-and-shut case. if you knowingly send classified material through a non-secure

server, that's a crime. >> you said there's no evidence she newspaper the information was classified. >> marked classified. marked classified. >> if markings were removed by people who worked for her, then you have to ask yourself how did that happen and why did it happen? >> all right, let me jump in here. >> no, there's an e-mail from her to one of her staffers who when she was impatient to get a classified document, she said make it unpaper, make it unpaper and move it on a non-classified fax machine. >> but there's no evidence that it was classified and there's no evidence the e-mail was ever sent. it's again speculation. >> no, that e-mail -- >> gentlemen, i need to jump in here. this former aide to hillary clinton has turned over to the fbi computer security logs from mrs. clinton's private server,

records that showed no evidence of foreign hacking, according to a person close to the investigation into mrs. clinton's e-mail. >> it got on that server from point a to the end. >> secretary clinton said she never knowingly sent or received anything classified. is she likely to be charged with a climb? >> absolutely not. there would be no basis, unless you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she deliberately sent material that she knew was marked classified and i think you'd also have to demonstrate to have any effective prosecution that there was a real risk that it was hacked and went elsewhere, i don't think there's any evidence. there's speculation. as a former attorney general, michael mukasey is entitled to speculate and ak for an investigation and that's what's going on now. i predict in may the investigation will be closed, no one will be prosecuted and no

one ever again will use a private server, private e-mail to send anything that is governmental in nature. i think everybody has learned a lesson from this but you don't retroactively apply new information to old cases. that's why we have an -- >> but when they did it -- this isn't being done retroactively. the information is marked classified because it's classified. it's not classified because it's marked. the fact is there were 22 e-mails that the government has declined to disclose ever because they were not only classified, not only top secret but secured access. >> but not marked classified. that's the basis for -- >> she said it was a mistake and she has apologized even here on our air and also on the town hall weekend. >> you cannot be prosecuted unless you've done something that was illegal at the time did you have it, not with the

benefit of hindsight. >> i've got to get to a break. thank you. we'll be right back. go on a first date. my passion is puppetry.

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we are counting down to our democratic debate in flint, michigan. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will go head to head in our debate moderated by anderson cooper. i'll also be there to ask questions. the poison water crisis has the city reeling. >> that we are poisoning our children in america in 2016 is beyond comprehension. now, people tell me, they say, bernie, you want to invest in the infrastructure, you want to invest in roads and bridges and water systems, it is an expensive proposition. and i say if we can rebuild infrastructure in iraq and afghanistan, we damn well can

rebuild flint, michigan. >> clean water is not optional, my friends. it is not a luxury. i said weeks ago if what had been happening in flint had happened in gross point or bloomfield hills, i think we all know we would have had a solution yesterday! this is not merely unacceptable or wrong, though it is both. what happened in flint is immoral. >> cnn's sarah sidener talked to some families about the human toll in flint. >> reporter: dominique is only 18 but his life long dream for his future is dead. >> that was my dream drato go t the army. and now that i can't --

>> reporter: the city he loves is now a source of anxiety, partly because of the water crisis and when has happened to his body since. >> i start by getting headaches and passing out, seizures. >> reporter: his family says doctors can't pinpoint exactly why he began blacking out, sometimes several times a week. it means medically he can't qualify for the army. he isn't even allowed to drive. his blood tests showed very low levels of lead, convincing his mother the contaminants in flint's water tore blame but there's no medical proof. you said you don't know if it's the water. what do you think it is? >> it has to be the water. he just stopped passing out because i just stopped cooking with the water. >> absell will inherit flint.

one in 14 homes has been abandoned. flint has had the most violent crimes per capita and about 40% of the residents live beneath the poverty line. then came the decision by government officials to save money by switch being the water supply. it ended up creating a major health tragedy. >> what's wrong were the water? >> it have lead in it and it have poison in it because the pipes are dirty. >> reporter: do you know what lead does to people that drink led? >> they've had to learn to shelter in place. and the number of boarded up houses in the neighborhood. and when about you? why would you leave flood? >> because this water is

poisonous. and if i drink it, i going to die and i don't want to die. nobody want to die. >> reporter: from 8 to 18, many of flint's children and their families worry the town is dying, and a really soft-hearted young man is beside himself because he truly believes he has no future at all. you know, when you listen to these children, an 8-year-old talking about death, an 18-year-old thinking his life is over because his dream is dead, and worried about the community, seeing people leaving, seeing the boarded up housing, this is what is left for those who have not yet left this city. they don't want to leave. they love this city. the problem is they just don't see a future here, don. >> it's just a heart breaking. an entire generation of children

sick. what's next for all the others in flint? >> reporter: they're trying to ascertain exactly what damage has been done. as you know, lead affects children more than it affects adults. it can deal with things like adhd. it can do things to their bodies and have it very difficult for them to learn. there's a lot of looking into what exactly this impact will be. can also get into your dna and change not only your children but your grandchildren. there's a lot of concern here. mostly what people are saying is we're still counsnfused on what has done to our chouds have tested positive for lead. in order to get it out, you have to get this extremely, extremely problematic medicine. really, don, it's about the confusion but it's about the frustration with the government officials who knew that tflint

river water was not safe and let it sit there in pipes anyway. don. >> i'll see you this weekend for the debates and also passing out water as well. hillary clinton and bernie sanders go head to head sunday night beginning at 8 eastern. we'll be right back.

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