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marco rubio at 13.2%, 9.2% for john kasich. still an impress sf lead but only 4% of the vote has been counted. we're watching that state closely. let's go to stephanie watching a democratic caucus taking place, we see crowds there. you're in roland, kansas. what's going on where you are? rfrmths what i want to show you here is this line behind me. this line is made up of people registering to vote. maybe moved into the county, may be some who are changing parties, some checking to see what their affiliation is and making sure their rej vags is valid. why is it important? they have run out of these registration cards here. they had to print more because there is such a big turnout here today. they were expecting a turnout to be strong. they called it this would be a gentle wave compared to 2008 which was a tsunami.
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they have no idea how people are going to turn out and vote, simply because they don't do polling. this, in fact, is their polling here. one thipg they are also urging people to to here, wolf, is saying if you are a democrat and coming to register as a democrat tell your other democratic thinking minded people to do the same. what they have seen is some registering to be a republican, thinking that they would help get a moderate republican in that would be better for the area. they say if you're democratic in mind vote like that and you'll help out the party here. so that's another trend we're seeing in general in this area. >> you're in a democratic caucus in rowland park, kansas. does it look people are energized by hillary clinton or bernie sanders or both? >> reporter: both. you are definitely seeing a lot of people turning out for both. you talk to what it is, the bernie sanders people, some of them are saying listen, when it comes to the general election, bernie sanders will not be able to beat trump.
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but the other -- the hillary people saying if you have a hillary person, a candidate like hillary, a moderate may come across and vote for her and actually win. a lot of people are very afraid of trump here, and so they are trying to figure out the best way to do that. on the bernie sanders side, some of them have been saying that their concern is that hillary clinton has always wanted to be president and bernie sanders has been about the people than is appealing to some of the people who are older and some who are newcomers and this is their first election. >> stephanie, thanks very much. we've got a key race alert right now involving the republican caucuses in kansas. 8% of the vote is in. you see ted cruz maintaining his lead, 49.4%, to donald trump 24.8%. marco rubio is in third with 14.1%, john kasich down at 10.2%. 8% of the vote is in. ted cruz maintains his lead. chris, back to you. >> wolf, thank you.
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starting to discuss what do these early numbers mean what will happen later? one thing certainly matters, no matter the numbers the number of people who come out that turn out is going to be a big deal. let's start with that idea with michael smerconish. it's big for trump's message. helpful to all of the candidates as well. how does it play out on super saturday? >> i think turnout is key for donald trump, passion remains key for donald trump. trump has not done so well in caucuses versus primaries so you look at kansas and i'm not surprised by the result thus far, even though it's very early that ted cruz would be running well. i think the picture view we're finding out will there be one individual who eventually goes toe to toe with donald trump or do they all stay in and does this become more of a denial effort to try and preclude him from getting to 1237. the more time off the clock i think that's the play for these
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candidates, although they are not admitting to it. >> it's fragmentation, not consolidation, that's the shift happening among republican leaders. the idea one of these candidates would emerge big enough to stop donald trump i think is fading and they are moving toward this idea of basically trying to partition the country informally and deny him the first ballot majority. characteristically ted cruz is less than enthusiastic about playing well with others in that strategy. >> john king demonstrated that. the idea of consolidation versus what was the other word -- fragmentation, that is in reverse, though, if you are coming from trump's perspective. i'm the consolidation guy, you forget about trump. let's look at the tweet that his son eric, put out, which says the story in the pictures of the mascots of the parties. on the bottom, this isn't working. rts be honest. neither side pick add good mascot. look at the top, it's the lion,
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the suggestion there is he is a movement, his own party. >> the new thing, this new invention that hasn't been able to draw from democrats, from independents, and then in some ways unify the different lanes of the party. everybody in the beginning all obsessed with these lanes, the chamber of commerce folks, the moderates, and then the tea party folks but he has been able to do well with all of those and you saw him there in that sort of victory press conference, he called himself a unifier. i think for marco rubio this is a problem. if you would have said 6, 7, 8 months ago marco rubio would be struggling at this point, the guy who was on the cover of "time" as the gop savior, to put w's on the board at this point in states romney won. romney won some of these last go round. he won kansas, he won kentucky, he won maine but marco rubio pulled out of a lot of these states going up to this, he pulled out of a rally in
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lexington and baton rouge so he's got all of his marbles on florida and you see ted cruz trying to make inroads there. >> so comes this other strategy, which is we're going to go to convention. now you know, that is a very interesting tweet. his son's saying get around trump. trump is a great guy. other than getting sued by whales, you know, he's make an interesting point. the party has to figure out who it is right now. and it seems like it's trying to reject who is most popular. never a good situation (this is what is so frustrating for republicans, conservatives t lion is running as an elephant.
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i mean he's essentially saying i am what people -- they are not small. but anyway. no, and -- >> the voters, that's what they -- they are -- >> i don't bemoan the democratic, you know, the democracy at work. >> but you can't even say it. >> i don't bemoan democracy at work. >> but. >> you are a young conservative. >> right. youngish. >> donald trump, youngish, you're young, trust me. so say donald trump wins the nomination. okay. he becomes the standard bearer for the republican party. >> let me stop you right there. he cannot become the standard bearer for the party. >> so maybe in that case the -- your wing of the republican
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party would form another party. i remember everybody wanted donald trump -- okay, everybody wanted donald trump to pledge not to run as an independent. and he did. and he's not by the way. but, maybe the republican conservatives/establishment, i don't know what you -- coalition. reform a party. >> you got her knees bouncing up and down. how excited would be at the prospect of three parties? but nobody wants to sacrifice this election on the right side. this is their turn to win in terms of the cycle. you have the court at stake. nobody wants to give it up. but if it goes to three parties, if, if, huge if, we're early, we're waiting, only 4% in kansas so stay with us. if they go to three parties, what does that mean? >> hillary clinton or bernie sanders, presumably, is our president. >> the republicans very well
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might fracture. keep in mind the left fractured in 2,000. ralph nader ran, made it close enough to steal the election for bush. shhappened on my side. it may on the other. >> how did perot play out? >> drove equally. from the two. did not -- nader did. if mr. trump, and another republican runs as a third party they would fracture. it could happen. >> hold on. just to do a ballot check of what we're seeing in front of everybody right now. we're actually at 8% returns. cruz has a big lead. what would the numbers look like? last time it was about 30,000. this time they are expecting 60,000 and making kifrpgos more ballots. let's use it as a template. if ted cruz wins in kansas, does that mean that the no trump or never trump hash tag is working? >> no. first of all, as someone said i think ron, that he has or
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michael, he has a problem with caucuses, so i think when we -- this is -- >> who does? >> donald trump. >> quhi? >> organization, ground game, all of that sort of thing. this is why you have momentum. this is the importance of momentum. because you can, i mean paul, if i'm correct, bill clinton managed to lose a few along the way in 1992. >> sure, a lot. you don't have to win them all. >> what you have to do is have momentum. and in terms of the fracturing, back in this -- this 457ed in naep 80 moderate republicans got angry with the fact that ronald reagan won and they left and followed john anderson. and ronald reagan still won in a three-way race. you can go down that road. it's not necessarily going to mean -- >> which slice of history. back to wolf. we have returns in maine, we're going to see if trump the lion stays atop the elephant. >> i want to go to lewiston,
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maine watching the republican caucuses there. looks like they are starting to count some of those ballots. >> reporter: absolutely. it is a complex democratic system but it all boils down to piles. here's why. about 10 minutes ago voting wrapped up in maine. at least at this location. and what we're seeing right now are deputy clerks sorting what are at least 2,000 ballots that were cast here. what they are doing now, they are essentially separating all of the ballots, putting a pile for trump, for cruz, a pile for kasich and for some of the ones that were perhaps written in. so as soon as they are able to determine exactly which pile is largest, they will begin to sort those into stacks of 50. that would essentially make it easier to count as you can see there are several people that are involved in this process. you may be able to make out representatives from each perspective candidate. we have folks that are watching making sure that everything is done correctly.
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but essentially as we mentioned it boils down to a fairly simple process when it comes to sorting. so we could find out who came out on top as soon as they are able to decide which pile is larger and organizers calling this a hybrid caucus primary. today was the first time individuals, what they had to do was provide an i.d., get a ticket, a ballot and getted counted. today for the republicans, tomorrow for the democrats. >> i want to update the numbers from kansas on the republican side. the republican presidential caucuses in kansas now. 8% again of the vote has been counted. 50.3% for cruz, 25.5 for donald trump, 13.7% for marco rubio. john kasich 9.9%. 8% is in. much more coming up right after a quick break.
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numbers showing up as well. going to louisville, kentucky for us now. watching what's going on in kentucky on the republican side. what is the latest there? >> reporter: the latest is that about 15 minutes ago this caucus officially ended. they had in the words of the caucus chair, phenomenal turnout. i want you to take a look, though, even though this room is empty and quiet, now the hard work of vote counting continues. there is a worker there, they asked us to stand back here so we don't listen to her as she is calling in the count right now. they are a bit behind, they have been doing this counting since about 1:00 eastern time. it has been ongoing but because of the number of ballots they say they are going to be at this for some time. the state does expect, the state party, does expect they will have results at 7:00. >> eastern or central? >> reporter: 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> we'll watch it together with
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you. they are counting votes in kansas, kentucky, i want to go back to dana and david. both of these states maybe there can be surprises tonight. >> there could be. i think what is most interesting is that in kentucky this is a new phenomenon for them. it was done on purpose for the candidate no longer in the race. we saw brian todd. >> rand paul. he wanted to preserve his option to run for senate in case the presidential campaign didn't work out. that's what's happening. because you could not be on the primary ballot for both the senate and the presidential race. so, what did he do? from his own bank account, he helped the state party pay for changing the system to a caucus system so that he could preserve this option and it's playing out like that. i guess he was right to preserve the option. he is no longer in the presidential race. >> he is participating in it. kentucky is a place that elected
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rand paul back when the tea party was just forming. and so, it is i mean, obviously a lot of states have this kind of fervor going on. it has been going on in that state for a long time on the republican side. so, perhaps it could break for somebody like donald trump but maybe for one of his colleagues in the senate. >> you are right to point out that we've seen. mitch mcconnell experienced it. that was after the tea party established itself and he had a threat he wanted to deal with and contend with. >> fended off a primary challenge from the right. >> completely. i think the way this presidential race is splitting up i would say if that tea party fervor shows up one would imagine it probably will help donald trump more. i think kentucky is a state that is a little more made for donald trump than maybe a kansas is which may look a little more like oklahoma where ted cruz won on super tuesday. >> that's right. >> thanks very much. they are counting the republican caucus ballots in kansas now.
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let's update you now on the republican caucuses in kansas right now. again here's the latest coming in. 8% of the vote in. ted cruz maintaining his lead. 50.3%. donald trump, 24.5%. marco rubio, 13.7%, john kasich 9.9%. let's go to kentucky now. brian todd is in bowling green, kentucky, watching the republican caucuses there. what's the latest? >> reporter: wolf, a surprise move here in bowling green by the caucus chairman david graham. he is there, because the turnout has been so massive, david has decided to start the vote count early. start the balance hot count early. we're in a room no one else can go in.
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there is one announcer, two who verify it. you can hear them calling it out. calling it out, pulling the ballots. sweel swing over here. we're going to show you the reason they are doing this. got to cut out of here and through the ball room here moving fast to try to catch up to the lines. people exiting the polls action we're going to cut through to the lines. the reason we're in this situation where they have to start the counting early, the caucus chair told us that he was concerned he would get behind in the reporting when the polls closed. he did not want to be in that situation because this turnout has been so massive. again we're seeing it. look at this line, people scrambling to get in before the polls close in a half hour. the turnout much, much more than they expected. the turnout in this precinct twice what they expected according to the caucus chair. what we can tell you an exit poller, we cannot give numb
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befrs but told us ted cruz doing very well in this precinct. check this out. the line snakes around, people will check in, about 30 minutes here before the polls close. and really a move that we have never seen before in any of the caucuses or primaries we've covered when they start the vote count early because of such a dynamic turnout. >> impressive numbers there in kentucky. on the republican side. all right, brian, thanks very much. watching the republican caucuses in maine, lewisson, they are counting votes? >> reporter: that's right. keep in mind there are 20 locations and this is one of them. at this point what we've seen since the polls closed about 20 minutes ago all of the ballots were sorted out. there was a pile for ted cruz, for donald trump, a pile for marco rubio as well and then even write-in candidates. this is the table for senator ted cruz. behind me, this is the table established for donald trump and i have to tell you that initially when the stacks were
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added up, obviously this is a very early indication. only at this location, ted cruz leading the pack here. again, they still have to count this. they set up separate packs, rather stacks here of about 50, and now they have to hand count these stacks, one at a time. and then eventually they have to count it again. eventually try to find out -- and confirm who came out the winner. but finally it's important to remember why it's so important here in maine. the candidate who has the majority would get all 23 delegates, if that is not the case, then essentially those delegates would be distributed proportionately of it it's really starting. a lot more left to go for the folks here. >> we'll check back. thanks very much. stephanie watching the democratic caucuses in kansas. they are counting ballots but there are huge numbers waiting to cast ballots. right? >> reporter: oh, yeah, there's a
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bunch of people waiting to get inside where we are. in fact, the line is some five blocks long or so outside of where we are. people trying to get in. they closed off the line at 3:00 local. 4:00 eastern time. there is a woman who is the back of the line there, not letting anybody else in that line. we know for the people at the front of the line it took them about an hour and a half to get in, so with that in mind, the caucus chairperson telling us that the previous estimates that they had of when they would start sorting people for this caucus is now, quote, blown out of the water. he calls it a huge turnout today, wolf. >> huge numbers. all right, thanks very much. watching the democratic presidential caucuses in kansas. another key race alert. take a look at this. 11% of the vote now in. cruz maintaining his lead 49.9%, donald trump at 24.9%, rubio in third place, 13.8%, john kasich in fourth place, 9.7%.
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welcome back. let's check in to see how the republican presidential caucus results are coming in from kansas right now. 11% of the vote is in. ted cruz maintaining his lead, 48.8%, 25.7% for donald trump. 14% for marco rubio, 9.8% for john kasich. remember, this is still very early. i want to check in with rosa in wichita, kansas. watching them count the votes there at the republican presidential caucuses. what's the latest behind you? >> reporter: wolf, turnout is the story here. i want to show you what's
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happening because these volunteers are counting the ballots, you can see they are in sections of ten, then they rubberband them and these are 100 here, that ballot on top says ted cruz. here we see ben carson, john kasich, marco rubio and donald trump. they have more than a dozen, more than a dozen volunteers counting because of the turnout. here's the story in kansas. i talked to the gop chair, he tells me that in 2012, they had about 30,000 people cast ballots during the caucus, this year they printed 60,000 ballots and they had to go to kinkos to print more because of the turnout. now, who will that benefit? will that benefit donald trump, will that benefit cruz, rubio, we don't know yet of course. you're seeing the numbers coming in. we're seeing the ballots come in
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in boxes. you can see more volunteers here behind in this first table. they are also coming in and starting to count them. they are in groups of two because both of these volunteers count them and then they recount them to make sure that they are official. and you can see if you look right here to the right, more boxes, wolf. more of these botches. some of these ballots printed at kinkos because of the turnout. wolf. >> good news is that kinkos is open on this saturday. rosa, thanks very much. chris, back to you. >> i'll tell you, when you hear about them running to kinkos and the volunteers, it's exciting and another time confusing. can you believe we still vote this way? gloria, i mean seriously. the idea of efficiency in this process has almost no chance. there is almost no chance you can have no problems through an election. >> do you remember bush versus gore? >> very well. i spent quality time in florida. i know a hanging chad. >> and -- >> placement on the ballot.
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whose name was too close. >> exactly. the infamous butterfly ballots people didn't know who they were voting for and cast votes for bat buchanan when they wanted to vote for al gore. we have seen lines that people -- there's been an election commission, a national election commission about reforming the way we cast our ballots in this country. the issue is that it's run by the states, it's not a federal issue. so, if you could wave the magic wand and say have it all computerized these are run by state election commissions. >> hold on. i don't want you to go down this road. we'll talk about this at the commercial. let's talk about what's happening now and hope the system works. with all we're seeing, 11%, wolf is right it's still early. but 11% is not 3%. you look at the state differently. if cruz stays in the lead in kansas, what does that say, is this a reflection of dump trump, is this a reflection of cruz
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always having been strong there? >> i think we need more evidence. >> no, you go on what you have. >> kansas is a state with a big evangelical population and also it's a caucus. as jeffrey said before, caucuses are a particular problem for trump. the idea that trump is relying on this big infusion of democrats and independents just isn't supported by the data. every state that he's won in the exit poll he has won a plurality of republicans. he is winning in the core of the party. there is clearly resistance to him and i think you've seen parts of the party, evangelicals, college educated on the other. >> he says he's grown the party. >> the turnout is high. the share of democrats is not going up in any manner through these states. in the republican electorate. i think it's uncertain that he is running the party. the bigger challenge for those who want to stop them, the idea this is a hostile takeover from the outside, just so far is not supported by the exit polls.
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>> i think there is evidence that he is growing the democratic party, though. i think that's -- >> why? you don't see it in turnout. >> you didn't before and that was when people sort of said trump cannot be the candidate. they must be more sane than that. they won't -- >> you got red arrows going down. >> i think we're going to see record turnout. part was people turning out for bernie. he was motivating new voters. i think you're seeing those lines, that turnout look, it's early, it's encouraging but more and more as trump looks like he may be inevitable you're going to see more democrats who may not have been motivated by the candidates to get out, now they are going to turn out just to register their opposition. >> when you add ted cruz and trump together in these kansas returns that's almost 75% of the vote. and establishment marco and john kasich are pairly hitting 20. so the message is, how ever this works, the outsider establishment vote is huge. >> the bat it in the battle. we're going to take a break.
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welcome back to the cnn election center. a race alert now. the republican presidential caucuses in kansas. 17% of the vote is now in. ted cruz maintaining his lead, 49% to donald trump 26%, marco rubio is in third with 13.7%. 9.7% for john kasich. so it's pretty steady. cruz maintaining his lead. 17% of that vote is now in. in kentucky, right now i want to go to louisville. watching the republican caucus there. they of are counting ballots. what's the latest? >> reporter: they are continuing to count. it's taking time. even though they started early
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about 1:00 eastern time here, starting to count those ballots, they had such a response and remember, even though they switched everything up, even though this caucus is the first time that the state has done it though it's a different time they still had tremendous response t chair saying that this was in her words phenomenal turnout. it is at about 50% turnout. the vote counting is going on. you can see they have asked us to back up because they are continuing to call in some of the numbers. we, though, here, did do an informal cnn exit poll. we talked to as many voters as who would speak with us. over the entire hours that this caucus happened. and what we found is that it is ted cruz, the voters who did speak with us, 30% of those voters say they voted for ted cruz, rubio and trump tied at 27%, john kasich down at 15%. so, at least just in this one room wolf, ted cruz appears to
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be slightly edging the others. >> key word slightly. again not a scientific exit poll that we did informally. let's go back to dana and david. turnout is impressive but these are also what we call closed contests. >> that's really important because in the past starting in really, in iowa but more importantly in new hampshire and on down, most, not all but most of the contests so far have been open meaning people could show up that day and say i want to be eligible, i want to vote in the republican contest or the democratic contest. this is different. because all of the caucuses today are closed. for example, all on the republican side only republicans can do that. that benefits the tried and true conservatives. >> we have two competing data points. one is that every contest today that the republicans are voting in is a closed contest. you are right, when it is just
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closed to republicans and ipds are not >> more voters into this process. so you're seeing large turnout but these are closed contests. i'm not sure you could take either one of those pieces away depending on which campaign you are. but again, when we're you know, kansas, this is a state that i'm not sure donald trump was ever going to be dominant in. so i don't think what we're seeing there so far is a huge surprise. but i do think what we are seeing and it's important to note something to watch throughout the night, ted cruz has been the only candidate not named trump that has been posting some victories on these nights that we've been having
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these, consistently. >> right. that's exactly right. certainly i know that the cruz campaign argues that that proves that the energy in the conservative base is there for him, and that's why he should be the nominee because it will keep the energy up through the general election. but wolf, of course the trump argument which is also you know, a legitimate argument, is i'm bringing new people into the fold and if you want to win in november you have to back me as the nominee on the republican side because i will broaden the base. so both have good arguments, and but it is a very different kind of approach to never mind winning the nomination but thinking to november. >> coming into the super saturday, trump won 10 states, cruz four, marco rubio one. they are counting the ballots at the republican presidential caucuses in kentucky. we'll take a quick break. to satisfy the adult and kid - in all of us.
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update you on the republican presidential caucuses. the results so far in kansas right now, look at this. 20% of the vote now has been counted and ted cruz maintains his lead of it 48.5% to donald trump's 26.2%. marco rubio is down to 13.6%, john kasich at 10%. cruz you can see he's got 3300 or so vote advantage over donald trump right now. they are counting votes in lewiston, maine. palo is joining us. what's the latest there? >> reporter: wolf, the numbers tallied up by officials here. i can tell you the numbers have not been finalized. senator cruz leading at 48% with trump with 35%. rubio with 9% of the vote here.
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and it boils down to 662 votes for the texas senator, laid out here a few moments ago. they are now beginning to stack them up because they will be driven about two miles from here by law enforcement where they will then be added to the rest of the results in maine to eventually become the official tally. again what i can tell you, at least the republican caucus here, ted cruz leading with 48% of >> in maine ted cruz. >> maine is different than kansas. kansas is a place you would
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expect louisiana, kentucky, high evangelical populations, 14% of the adult population in maine are evangelical christians, so ted cruz is able to win there it's a sign of doing something he has not done to this point which is in fact bring in economic conservatives to his base of social conservatives. he has not won more than 18% who are not evangelical except texas. if he is winning maine he would have to exceed that. >> there is strong libertarian. >> we have numbers coming in. >> we have a key race alert. this is maine, first numbers we're getting in 5% of the vote in the republican presidential caucuses are out. cruz is ahead with 48%, donald trump with 35%, marco rubio at 8.6%, 7.4% for john kasich. 5% of the vote is in. ted cruz ahead right now the main republican caucuses. let's take a quick break.
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i used to like that song. a key race alert. look at this. in kansas t republican presidential caucuses, 21% of the vote. ted cruz, 49.7%, trump 25.2%, 13.2% for marco rubio. john kasich at 10.2% in fourth place. republican caucuses in kansas. look at the republican caucuses in maine. 5% of the vote is in. cruz here, too, maintains a lead, 48%, donald trump in second with 35%, rubio 8.6%, john kasich at 7.4%. i want to check in with miguel marquez from omaha, nebraska.
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the democratic presidential caucus has been taking place. a lot of people sitting in that gymnasium. are we getting initial indications yet? >> reporter: a huge number, we do have initial indications. i can show you the sides of the room. they voted with their feet. they moved all of the bernie sanders supporters to this side of the gym, and then moved all of the hillary supporters to this side of the gym. i can show you they are still counting the bernie supporters here. you can see this woman here, she is counting them. as they count them they sit down. they are just about done. on the hillary side, 153. they are still counting the bernie side but well over that. the other issue here are the absentee votes. in this caucus if you get your vote in early enough you can vote absentee. a senior campaign official with the sanders campaign told us that hillary clinton has used that process to her advantage. she may not have had as many here but getting a lot more
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absentee votes in. the problem for hillary clinton, the bernie sanders folks are overwhelming the room with bernie sanders supporters. this is something we saw here, we've seen it in other parts of the state. the officials here at this caucus said they were up to 1:00 a.m. counting because they had so many. the question is, can hillary clinton overcome bernie sanders with those absentee ballots. >> we'll see. omaha, nebraska. that one gym for bernie sanders. >> we're watching those. interesting in kansas what you were showing us. kasich is right on the bubble of 10%. he falls below that when the numbers come in he doesn't get any delegates. so gloria, i rudely interrupted you before. in the interest of news. you were making the point about how maine matters but it's not the huge shock that it may play out right now. >> 49%
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