anyway. was your vote a mistake? >> you know, as i think secretary clinton knows, as we all know, there are bills in congress that have bad stuff. there are bills in congress that have good stuff. good stuff and bad stuff in the same bill. now, if i had voted against that bill, secretary clinton would be here tonight and she'd say bernie sanders voted against the ban on assault weapons. bernie sanders voted against the violence against women act. those were provisions in the bill as the secretary indicated. in that bill there was good provisions. i have been a fierce fighter against domestic violence ever since i was mayor in burlington. violence against women act has protected millions of women. it was in that bill. the ban on assault weapons. that's what i have fought for my whole life. it was in that bill. now, what you are reading, though, is i went to the floor, as i recall, and that's what i

said. i tried to get the death penalty aspects in that bill out. secretary clinton and i have a disagreement. i was then and i am now opposed to the death penalty. so to answer your question, what you read was a congressman who was torn, who said there are good things in that bill, there are bad things overall, i voted for it. but where we are right now is having 2.2 million people in jail, more than any other country on earth. this is a campaign promise. at the end of my first term, we will not have more people in jail than any other country. >> thank you, senator. thank you very much. i want to go now to david mcgee. he works for a foundation and he is a youth development program director there, in charge of the youth development program. he says he is undecided but his question is for senator sanders. david? >> we live in a very diverse nation. opportunities to lead, however,

to be frank, are often at the feet are older caucasian men and women. >> you're not talking about me, are you? >> men more so than women. however, what experiences have you had that have helped you deeply understand the mindset and values of other cultures? >> i think the best answer -- i don't know that i can give you a definitive answer here. but i will give you this answer. when i was a young man at the university of chicago, i worked with fellow black and white students trying to desegregate university of chicago-owned housing. [ applause ] most candidates for president don't usually put this on their resume, but a year later i was arrested by the chicago police for trying to desegregate the chicago school system.

[ applause ] in 1963, and a very important day for me, i went to the march on washington led by dr. king for jobs and freedom. and dr. king has been an important inspiration for me. in this campaign if you go to berniesanders.com and read our position on criminal justice, it is i believe the strongest position of any candidate. and what it says, among many other things, when 51% of african-american kids today are unemployed or underemployed you know what we're going to do? we're going to provide education and jobs for those kids, not jails and incarceration. [ applause ] >> in a speech about policing the fbi director james comey borrowed a phrase from the broadway show "avenue q" saying "everyone is a little bit racist." on a personal front, what racial blind spots do you have?

>> well, let me go answer mr. mcgee's question because i think it's a very profound one. i think the most important thing that happened to me was a combination of my church and my youth minister when i was a teenager insisting that we go into inner city chicago, because i lived in a suburb, and have exchanges with kids in black and hispanic churches. it was also important for me to be a babysitter for the children of migrant workers and learn more about their lives and to go hear dr. king speak in chicago when i was about 14 years old. that got me thinking about what i needed to do to try to fulfill my faith. and when i was in law school, i had the opportunity to meet a visionary woman named marian wright edelman who had worked with dr. king, who was the first

african-american woman to pass the mississippi bar. and i asked her for a job. she said she didn't have any money. i was working my way through law school. she said if i could get a job, get myself paid, she'd give me a job. so i got a law student civil rights research council grant. the first thing she did was send me to south carolina to investigate juveniles being put into adult jails. the second thing she did was send me to alabama to investigate segregated academies. from that moment until today i am so grateful for my experiences as a very young woman driven by my church and my experiences working for the children's defense fund which have given me at least some insight and certainly have lit a fire inside me to do everything i can to address systemic racism. >> thank you, secretary clinton. i want to ask both of you this question. over again. i appreciate -- >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> i appreciate you responding to david mcgee's question. but i want to ask both of you again. in a speech about policing, the fbi director james comey borrowed a phrase from the

broadway show "avenue q," saying "everyone is a little bit racist." so on a personal front what racial blind spots do you have? secretary, you first. >> well, don, if i could, i think being a white person in the united states of america, i know that i've never had the experience that so many people, the people in this audience have had. i think it's incumbent upon me and what i have been trying to talk about during this campaign is to urge white people about what it is like to have the talk with your kids, scared that your sons or daughters even could get in trouble for no good reason whatsoever like sandra bland and end up dead in a jail in texas. and i have spent a lot of time with the mothers of african-american children who have lost them. trayvon martin's mother. and i've gotten to know them.

i've listened to them. it has been incredibly humbling because i can't pretend to have the experience that you have had and others have had. but i will do everything that i possibly can to not only do the best to understand and to empathize but to tear down the barriers of systemic racism that are in the criminal justice system and the employment system and the education and health care system. that is what i will try to do to deal with what i know is the racism that still stalks our country. >> senator sanders, on a personal front what racial blind spots do you have? >> let me just very briefly tell you a story. when i was in one of my first years in congress i went to a meeting downtown in washington, d.c. and i went there with another congressman, an

african-american congressman. and then we kind of separated during the meeting. and then i saw him out later on and he was sitting there waiting. and i said, well, let's go out and get a cab. how come you didn't go out and get a cab? he said no, i don't get cabs in washington, d.c. this is about 20 years ago. because he was humiliated by the fact that cab drivers would go past him because he was black. i couldn't believe it. you just sit there and you say this man did not take a cab 20 years ago in washington, d.c. i'll tell you another story. i was with some young people active in the black lives matter movement. a young lady comes up to me and she says, you don't understand what police do in certain black communities. you don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized. and i'm not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen which have got to end and we've got to hold police

officers accountable. i'm just talking about everyday activities where police officers are bullying people. so to answer your question, i would say and i think it's similar to what the secretary said, when you're white you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. you don't know what it's like to be poor. you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car. and i believe that as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear. we will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system. >> thank you. senator sanders, a cnn poll found that 64% of americans felt like race relations got worse over the last decade. you have said race relations would absolutely be better under a sanders presidency. so how would you be more effective in tackling racial issues than president barack obama? >> it's not a question of being better than president obama.

it is a question of building on the work that president obama has done. the very important work. >> you said absolutely, though, in an answer. >> well, he has given us a good, good basis and foundation. we've got to do better than that. of course we should. but here's what i would do. here's what i would do. i would end -- i would make sure that the department of justice investigated every killing of a citizen of this country when they are under apprehension from a police officer or when they are killed in police custody. i would end the militarization of local police departments. i would develop model programs to make police departments look like the communities that they serve. i would end minimal sentencing and give judges more discretion.

i would recognize that substance abuse and drug addiction is a health issue, not a criminal issue. [ applause ] >> thank you, senator. >> and i would make sure that those people who left jail had the education and job training so they don't go back in the same environment that got them in jail in the first place. >> senator, thank you very much. secretary clinton, in 1996 you used the term "super predators" to describe some young kids. some feel like it was racial code. was it? and were you wrong to use the term? >> well, i was speaking about drug cartels and criminal activity that was very concerning to folks across the country. i think it was a poor choice of words. i never used it before. i haven't used it since. i would not use it again. because my whole life, to go

back to what i was saying to mr. mcgee, is you know, really ever since i went to work for the children's defense fund, is to try to figure out ways to even the odds for people that are left out and left behind. and i know very well that we have too many kids in our country right now who are living in poverty, who are going to schools like the ones in detroit that have mold and rodents in them. i saw that in south carolina. it's unfortunately across america. so what we've got to do is provide more opportunities earlier in the lives of every child. that's why i believe in supporting families, early childhood education, universal prekindergarten. help kids be successful. and here in flint we've got to do more to mitigate against the effects of lead. because too many kids are having the experiences i've been told about where they're falling back in school, where they're having headaches because of the lead exposure. >> thank you. >> so we're going to have to do

even more here than we would do in most other places. >> we're going to talk about education in just -- >> can i respond to that briefly? i am not sure which legislation that was. but i think it may have been the welfare reform -- >> it was the crime bill. >> the crime bill. but during that same bill in '96. there was a welfare reform bill. and this bill really was a bill that scapegoated the poorest people in this country. i strongly opposed that legislation. secretary clinton had a different position then. what that legislation ended up doing is increasing extreme poverty, the poorest people in this country have become much poorer as a result of that -- really a bill that was written by republicans. bad bill. >> secretary clinton, you were invoked. 30 seconds. >> once again, if we're going to argue about the '90s let's try to get the facts straight.

that bill had a lot of provisions that unfortunately were stripped out by george w. bush, by republican governors. and i disagreed with the way it was applied. and i have a very clear set of ideas about what should be done to try to provide more support including trying to cut poverty in half in the next ten years. but if we're going to talk about the '90s let's talk about 23 million new jobs, incomes went up for everybody. the median african-american income went up 33% at the end of the '90s, and we lifted more people out of poverty than at any other time in recent history. so we were on the right path. more jobs, rising incomes, along came george w. bush and trickle down economics and brought us the great recession which thank goodness president obama has been digging us out of ever since. [ applause ] >> senator sanders.

>> secretary clinton is right. the 1990s we created a whole lot of jobs. good. and i supported many of your husband's initiatives. but in the 1990s you know what we also did? we deregulated wall street, which allowed wall street to end up destroying our economy. we passed nafta and other disastrous trade agreements, which had a horrendous impact on african-americans in particular in flint, in detroit, and all across this country. so when we talk about the '90s, you're right, a lot of good things happened. but a lot of bad things happened. i voted against those trade agreements -- >> thank you, senator. >> -- and i voted against wall street deregulation. >> thank you, senator. we have to take a short break. the discussion and debate continues here from flint in just a moment. [ applause ]

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[ applause ] welcome back to the cnn democratic presidential debate here live in flint, michigan. let's move on to the subject of education. in nearby detroit the public schools have become a national symbol of neglect and failure. that school system is $3.5 billion in debt. officials say they could run out of money by april. i want to bring in shoniqua kemp. she's right here. miss kemp, her 14-year-old daughter is a student in detroit. shoniqua is one of ten parents suing detroit public schools not for money she says but to improve conditions. she says she's currently leaning toward senator sanders. her question will go to both of you but we'll start with senator sanders. ms. kemp. >> thank you. speaking of opportunities for success, in detroit schools open and close with no accountability

or transparency to the communities that they service. not only that, in our schools as you stated we have issues with rats, mold, no working water fountains, not to mention non-certified teachers, lack of accountability around transportation, special education, and so much more. with that said, our students can no longer suffer due to lack of these things or having these dilapidated issues take place. so my question is who is going to step up? who is going ensure that the policies and procedures are put in place that will ensure and bring forth a successful future for our students because my daughter cannot wait eight more

years for success to take place at your hands, at the leaders' hands. >> senator sanders, let's start with you. >> thank you very much for not being resigned to that horrendous situation, but being prepared to stand up and fight back. that's what we need all over this country. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> and let me be very honest with you. it's a hard thing to say, but it is true. a great nation is judged not by how many millionaires and billionaires it has, but by how it treats the most vulnerable amongst us. and that is the children and that is the elderly. and do you know what? we should be ashamed of how we treat our kids and our senior citizens. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> we have a republican leadership in congress now fighting for hundreds of

billions of dollars in tax breaks for the top 2/10 of 1%. but somehow we can't come up with the money to fix detroit's crumbling public school system. somehow we cannot make sure that detroit has qualified and good teachers. somehow we can't make sure there are summer programs for your children and after school programs for your children. somehow we cannot do what other countries around the world do. provide quality child care and pre-k. we have got to change our national priorities. no more tax breaks for billionaires and large corporations. we are going to invest in our children and have the best public school system in the world. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, before we go to secretary clinton, senator sanders, let me just follow up with you.

as president you have to decide where to spend your political capital. there is a lot of things you want to do. where does fixing ms. kemp's daughter's school and other schools, where does that lay in your list of things to do? >> anderson, not only do we have a crumbling school system in detroit and in many other areas, we have -- and everybody in this room should be embarrassed by this. we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth. that is a disgrace. so when you ask me about my priorities, my priorities are that no, we're not going to give tax breaks to the wealthy. we're going to ask them to start paying their fair share of taxes so we can raise the money to make sure that every child in this country, in detroit, in vermont gets the quality education that he or she deserves. >> secretary clinton? >> miss kemp, here is what i would do as president. number one, i would reinstate a

program we did have during the '90s where the federal government provided funding to repair and modernize public schools. because a lot of communities can't afford to do that on their own. secondly, i would use every legal means at my disposal to try to force the governor and the state to return the schools to the people of detroit, to end the emergency management, which i believe if you look at the -- if you look at the data, the situation has only gotten worse with these emergency managers that have put the system further in debt. number three, i want to set up inside the department of education for want of a better term, kind of an education s.w.a.t. team, if you will, where we've got qualified people, teachers, principals, maybe folks who are retired, maybe folks who are active, but all of whom are willing to come

and help. when detroit gets back their schools, they should have all the help they can get. to be able to get teachers in the classroom. to be able to find spaces while schools are being repaired. i also would look at how we could through the federal government support more teachers. we are going to have a teacher shortage in some of the hardest to teach districts, including detroit. [ applause ] >> let me just follow up with the secretary and then i'll come back to you, senator sanders. you've been endorsed, secretary clinton, by two of the biggest teachers unions. there's an awful lot of great teachers in this country. it's an incredibly difficult job, one of the most difficult jobs there is, but union rules often make it impossible to fire bad teachers and that means disadvantaged kids are somehow taught by the least qualified. do you think unions protect bad teachers? >> you know what? i am proud to have been endorsed by the aft and the nea. and i've had very -- i've had a very good relationship with both

unions, with their leadership. and we've had really candid conversations because we are going to have to take a look. what do we need in the 21st century to really involve families, to help kids who have more problems than just academic problems? a lot of what has happened, and honestly it really pains me. a lot of people have been blaming and scapegoating teachers because they don't want to put the money into the school system that deserves the support that comes from the government doing its job. >> so just to follow up, you don't believe unions protect bad teachers? >> you know, i have told my friends at the top of both unions, we've got to take a look at this because it is one of the most common criticisms. we need to eliminate that criticism. you know, teachers do so much good, they are often working under the most difficult circumstances. so anything that could be

changed, i want them to look at. and i will be a good partner to make sure that whatever i can do as president i will do to support the teachers. >> senator sanders? >> what our campaign is about is asking people to think big, not small. when we think big and talk about education, we have to ask ourselves a simple question. how is it starting at college that hundreds of thousands of bright young people are today unable to go to college because they can't afford it? how is it that maybe your kid and when i was growing up, we didn't have any money, were not even dreaming of going to college because they knew it was another world. starting with the top, i know some people think it's a radical idea. i don't. i believe that every public college and university in this country should be tuition-free. [ applause ]

so that your child regardless of the income of your family knows if she studies hard she is going to be able to go to college. >> thank you, senator. >> you know what else we do? we invest in child care. right now you have child care workers making mcdonald's wages. that is crazy. >> thank you, senator. i want well-trained, well-paid child care workers to give our youngest kids the best opportunities available. >> i want to go to my colleague, don lemon. >> anderson, thank you very much. secretary clinton, i want to turn from the state of our nation's school to the state of our nation's crumbling infrastructure which you talked a little bit about at the beginning of this debate. but beyond the detroit schools and flint water crisis, pipes, roads, and bridges are in need of repair. it would take trillions of dollars to fix it all. senator sanders has proposed a $1 trillion plan, but yours is only a quarter of that. is your plan big enough to fix the crumbling infrastructure in this country? >> well, there's no doubt we have an enormous backlog of

infrastructure repairs. here's what i do. the congress finally got around to passion the highway transportation bill, which should never have been partisan. it turned into being one partisan argument. i want to go further. i want to put $250 billion additional on top of what congress has done. that gets us to a half billion. i want to start a national infrastructure bank. i want to capitalize it with 25 billion that i believe will leverage ten times that. that's another $250 billion. i am trying to do this in a way that will gain support and be affordable, but there is no doubt we have to do more on our roads, our bridges, our tunnels, our ports, our airports. and as we talked about in the beginning here, under our ground, our water systems, our sewer systems, we have pipelines that are leaking and that are dangerous. we have so much work to be done. and we can put millions of people to work. i think my plan is a very good way to begin doing that work and get people out there doing it.

>> thank you, secretary. senator sanders, critics of your $1 trillion proposal say it is yet another example of a costly plan that will never get through congress and can't be paid for. the best infrastructure deal is what the secretary just mentioned, the deal president obama could negotiate with republicans, was a $305 billion highway bill. if he couldn't do more, how can you? >> well, let's begin by discussing the problem. as you've indicated, the american society of civil engineers say we need trillions of dollars. trillions of dollars just to bring up our infrastructure to deal with water systems like flint, just to bring them up to decent levels. we have suggested a trillion-dollar investment. now, you know who's going to pay for that? i'll tell you how we're going to pay for that. right now this country is losing $100 billion every single year because profitable corporations are stashing their profits in the cayman islands, bermuda, and in other tax havens.

[ applause ] and in some cases not paying five cents in federal income tax. i will eliminate that outrageous loophole, and we will raise a trillion dollars. and by the way, not only do we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, trillion dollars over five years creates 13 million decent-paying jobs. >> thank you, senator sanders. the issue of climate change has been a major talking point for both of you. i wanted to bring in sarah bel air, a student at the university of michigan at dearborn who said she's currently undecided. ms. bel air has a question on fracking, which for viewers is a process of oil and gas drilling that's led to a significant increase in american energy production and jobs but also raises serious environmental concerns. sarah, your question for secretary clinton but you'll both be able to weigh in. sarah? >> fracking can lead to environmental pollution including but not limited to the

contamination of water supply. do you support fracking? >> secretary clinton. >> you know, i don't support it when any locality or any state is against it, number one. i don't support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. i don't support it, number three, unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using. so by the time we get through all of my conditions, i do not think there will be many places in america where fracking will continue to take place. and i think that's the best approach because right now there are places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated. so first we have to regulate everything that is currently under way and we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking unless conditions like the ones that i just mentioned are met. >> senator sanders, you --

>> my answer is a lot shorter. no, i do not support fracking. [ applause ] and by the way, anderson, i'm glad you raised the issue of climate change because the media doesn't talk enough about what the scientists are telling us. and that is if we don't get our act together, the planet that we're going to leave our children may not be healthy and habitable. i have introduced the most comprehensive climate change legislation in the history of the senate, which among other things called for a tax on carbon, massive investments in energy efficiency, wind, solar, and other sustainable energy. this is a crisis we have got to deal with now. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, to secretary clinton's point, there are a number of democratic governors in many states who say that fracking can be done safely and that it's helping their economies. are they wrong?

>> yes. one of the differences between secretary clinton -- and i've said this before. i admit it. she has the support of all the governors, democratic, all the senators, all the congressmen. i don't. i am not part of that establishment. i plead guilty. i happen to be a member of the environmental committee. i have talked to scientists all over the world. what they are telling me, if we don't get our act together, this planet could be five to ten degrees warmer by the end of the century. cataclysmic problems for this planet. this is a national crisis. and i talked to scientists who tell me that fracking is doing terrible things to water systems. all over this country. we have got to be bold now. we've got to transform our energy system to energy efficiency and sustainable

energy. we've got to do it yesterday. >> senator clinton, before we come to you -- [ applause ] secretary clinton will be able to respond, but senator sanders, you've been very tough lately. last week you said this about secretary clinton. you said, "just as i believe you can't take on wall street while taking their money, i don't believe you can take on climate effectively while take money from those who would profit off the destruction of the planet." are you suggesting that she's in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry? >> no, what i am suggesting is that we have a corrupt campaign finance system. and instead of standing up to that finance system, instead of standing up to that finance system, secretary clinton has a super pac, which is raising huge amounts -- well, i hate to say the word "huge." every time i say huge. a lot of money. from wall street and from the fossil fuel industry. i am doing it a different way. i have 5 million individual

contributors who have gone to berniesanders.com to make a $27 contribution. >> thank you, senator. >> i don't take money from the fossil fuel industry. >> secretary clinton? >> well, first let me say i think i have the most comprehensive plan to combat climate change. it sets some really big goals. a half billion more solar panels deployed by the end of my first term if i'm so fortunate to be president and enough clean energy to power every home by the end of my second term. what i am looking at is how we make the transition from where we are today to where we must be. i worked with president obama during the four years i was secretary of state. to begin to put pressure on china and india and other countries to join with us to have a global agreement which we finally got in paris. so i am committed to and focused on how we make that transition. i've already said, we're taking away the subsidies for oil and gas, but it is important that

people understand that a president can't go ordering folks around. >> secretary -- >> our system doesn't permit that. i am going to set the goals. i will push everybody as hard as i can to achieve those goals. we will make progress on clean renewable energy and create millions of jobs through that. [ applause ] >> senator sanders on the -- on the campaign trail senator sanders often refers to a fund-raiser in january that was hosted by executives from a firm that's invested significantly in domestic fracking. do you have any comment on that? >> i don't have any comment. i don't know that. i don't believe there's any reason to be concerned about it. i admire what senator sanders has accomplished in his campaign. i have more than 850,000 donors, most of them give less than $100. i'm very proud of that. and i just want to make one

point. we have our differences and we get into vigorous debate about issues, but compare the substance of this debate with what you saw on the republican stage last week. [ applause ] >> senator sanders. >> well, let me make a couple of responses. let me pick up on the last point the secretary made. you know, we are, if elected president, going to invest a lot of money into mental health. and when you watch these republican debates, you know why we need to invest in mental health. [ applause ] but here's the difference. here is the difference. not a personal difference. we just do things differently. i honestly -- look, we have a corrupt campaign finance system.

what secretary clinton is saying and what every candidate who receives from the fossil fuel industry or the drug companies and wall street saying not going to impact me. the question the american people have to ask is why are these people putting millions of dollars into candidates if it's not going to make a difference? >> thank you, senator. >> and that is why, by the way, that is why one of my top priorities if elected president will be to overturn this outrageous citizens united supreme court decision. >> thank you very much, senator. [ applause ] secretary clinton -- >> and -- >> no, we have to go. >> and that is one of the many reasons we must all support president obama's right to nominate a successor to justice scalia and demand that the senate hold hearings and a vote on that successor. there are so many issues at stake. on the first day of my campaign i said we are going to reverse citizens united -- >> thank you, secretary. >> -- and if we can't get it

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[ applause ] welcome back to the cnn democratic presidential debate. thank you very much for joining us. secretary clinton, i want to ask you about something you talked about this morning. you said this morning about your e-mails that you expect the investigation to be wrapped up soon. the republican front-runner donald trump says he's going to talk about your e-mails every single day if he's the nominee

and out on the campaign trail. democrats want to know, your supporters want to know if you're the nominee, how are you going to take him on? >> well, let me start by saying that the last time i checked, as of last night, donald trump had received 3.6 million votes, which is a good number, and there's only one candidate in either party who has more votes than him, and that's me. [ applause ] and i am building a broad, diverse coalition across our country. i am very excited by the support we're receiving, and i have said, and i will repeat here, i think that donald trump's

bigotry, his bullying, his bluster are not going to wear well on the american people. and so i will look forward -- i will look forward to engaging him because, you know, i don't think we need to make america great again. america didn't stop being great. we have to make it whole again. we have to knock down the barriers. we have to end the divisiveness. we have to unify the country. and if i'm fortunate enough to be the nominee, that's exactly what i'll do. >> senator sanders, i want to ask you basically the same question. he's called you a communist. how are you going to -- >> that was one of the nice things that he said about me. i'll tell you something. this is my right arm. i'm prepared to give -- no, i shouldn't say that. i would love to run against donald trump, and i'll tell you why. for a start, what almost -- not all, but almost every poll has shown is that sanders versus

trump does a lot better than clinton versus trump. right here in michigan, there was a poll done i think yesterday or today, had me beating trump in michigan by 22 points. secretary clinton beat him as well, but not by so much. and that's true nationally and in many other states. and the other reason i think we can beat trump is that our campaign is generating an enormous amount of excitement. just in the last two days we have won the caucuses in maine. we won that tonight with a very large turnout. we won nebraska. we won kansas, and kansas was the biggest turnout in their caucus history. i think we are exciting working-class people, young people who are prepared to stand

up and demand that we have a government that represents all of us and not just the few. >> thank you. i want to -- we have a question from denise ghattas. she grew up here in flint, michigan. she said she's undecided on a candidate. she's got a question -- actually, she's got two questions. first one is for senator sanders, then she'll ask another question to secretary clinton. denise? >> thank you. senator sanders, do you believe that god is relevant? why or why not? >> i think -- well, the answer is yes, and i think when we talk about god, whether it is christianity or judaism or islam or buddhism, what we are talking about is what all religions hold dear, and that is to do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. [ applause ] i am here tonight, and i'm running for president. i'm a united states senator from my great state of vermont. because i believe that.

because i believe morally and ethically we do not have a right to turn our backs on children in flint, michigan who are being poisoned or veterans who are sleeping out on the street. and what i believe, what i believe as the father of seven beautiful grandchildren, i want you to worry about my grandchildren, and i promise you i will worry about your family. we are in this together. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, let me just follow up. just this weekend there was an article i read in the "detroit news" saying that you keep your judaism in the background and that's disappointing some jewish leaders. is that intentional? >> no. i am very proud to be jewish, and being jewish is so much of what i am. look, my father's family was wiped out by hitler in the holocaust.

i know about what crazy and radical and extremist politics mean. i learned that lesson as a tiny, tiny child when my mother would take me shopping and we would see people working in stores who had numbers on their arms because they were in hitler's concentration camp. i am very proud of being jewish, and that is an essential part of who i am as a human being. [ applause ] >> denise has a question for secretary clinton. denise? >> yes. secretary clinton, during our church services we pray for the president of the united states. we pray for the armed forces. we pray for all civil authorities. three times during our liturgy. and we give thanks to them. we pray for our loved ones. we pray for our enemies.

to whom and for whom do you pray? >> well, i have been several times in your services and have joined in those prayers and have also been privileged to lead them in some settings. i pray very specifically for people whom i know by name, people who either have gone through or are experiencing difficult times, ill nness, divorce, death, disappointment. all of the life experiences that confront most of us. i pray for the will of god to be known so that we can know it, and to the best of our limited ability try to follow it and fulfill it. i have said many times that, you

know, i am a praying person and if i hadn't been during the time i was in the white house i would have become one because it's very hard to imagine living under that kind of pressure without being able to fall back on prayer and on my faith. so i do pray for people in authority. i try to think about what they're going through. even when i disagree with them. trying to find some common ground, some common understanding that perhaps can make me more empa thet i can. i don't always succeed. i will tell you that. so i pray on a pretty regular basis during the day because i need that strength and i need that support. and especially when you are in the position that i'm in and that senator sanders is in, where you are asking people to

vote for you, to give you the most important job not only in our country but i would argue in the world, i think humility is one of the most important attributes that you bring to both seeking and then if you're fortunate enough to that holding of office. and that's what i will try to do. >> thank you, secretary. it's time for closing statements. you will each have a minute for a closing statement. senator sanders, we begin with you. >> my father came to this country at the age of 17 without any money. never made any money. we lived in a 3 1/2-room rent controlled apartment. so i learned about economics not just in college but in living in a family that didn't have money and had to scrape by. we are here tonight in flint, michigan because a horrendous tragedy is taking place. but it's not just in flint,

michigan. we have 29 million people who have no health insurance. we're the only major country on earth that doesn't provide paid family and medical leave. we have school systems around america that are collapsing. and yet we are the wealthiest country in the history of the world. but most people don't know that because almost all of the incoming wealth is going to the top 1%. i believe, in all due respect to my good friend, secretary clinton, that it is too late for establishment politics and establishment economics. it is too late for a corrupt campaign finance system and super pacs that raise enormous amounts of money from special interests. we need in this country a political revolution where ordinary people stand up and reclaim the government that men and women fought and died for. thank you. >> thank you, senator.

[ applause ] secretary clinton. >> i'm running for president to do my very best to knock down every barrier that stands in the way of america realizing its potential and every american having a chance to live up to his or her god-given potential. we have a lot of work to do. we have economic barriers. that's why i've laid out plans for more good jobs with rising incomes. we have barriers that stand in the way of quality health care. that's why i will build on the affordable care act. we have barriers to education. that's why i want to start early and provide debt-free tuition and deal with student debt so it is no longer the burden that weighs down so many young americans. and i do want to take on the barriers of systemic racism. i may not have experienced them. but i see the results every

single day. so i'm asking for your support in the primary here in michigan on tuesday. i'm asking for it, and i'll do whatever i can as the democratic nominee to run a campaign you'll be proud of. i don't intend to get into the gutter with whoever they nominate. but instead to lift our sights, to set big goals, to make it clear that america's best days can be and are ahead of us. >> i want to thank both the candidates. while we've been debating tonight, cnn has learned that a labor union fund has committed $25 million in low-interest loans to help replace lead-contaminated pipes. i want to thank the candidates, the democratic national committee, our hosts here at the flint cultural center, and most of all the people of flint. man. woman. or where you're from. city. country. we're just everyday people fighting high blood sugar.

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thanks for joining us. whether it's the voting tomorrow or the tightening two-way race between donald trump or ted cruz and the late news that michael bloomberg will not make it a three-way race or bernie sanders trying to mend fences after remarks at last night's cnn debate in flint there is a lot going on. we begin with the republicans and trump in mississippi chasing a big victory there and in michigan tomorrow and next week, of course, florida and ohio. both he and ted cruz trying to squeeze marco rubio out. senator rubio, though, who is campaigning tonight in his home state of florida while still trailing there