hi, everyone. i'm poppy harlow in new york. thank you for being with us. first up, democratic presidential candidates just a few hours away from a critical town hall event. live tonight here on cnn. take a look at this. this is a live look at the campus of the ohio state university. what hillary clinton and bernie sanders say what could change this entire race. especially ahead of the primary dubbed super tuesday 3. not only in ohio but florida as well, three other states, a total of 691 delegates up to for

grabs for the democrats. we expect bernie sanders to speak in columbus, later this hour. big question, could hillary clinton and tuesday with an insurmountable delegate lead or could bernie sanders prove to be our prize win just like he showedness michigan. beginning of a revolt, if you will. we have every angle of this covered. mark preston is live for us at the site of tonight's town hall. also with us, washington correspondent for the new yorker, ryan lizza and jeff zeleny on the trail with bernie sanders. jeff, let me begin with you. when you look at this, sanders is in the middle of this face-off, who would have thought frankly a face-off with donald trump right now both of them going at each other on the state of the union, republican front-runner placing the blame squarely on sanders supporters for the violence and the uprisings we have seen at the present protests tweeted this

morning. sanders is lying when he says, they aren't told to good to my events, careful bernie or my supporters will good to yours. jeff zeleny, what now? >> poppy, this campaign hasn't followed any of the conventional lines. this is another example here. we have sort after cross party cross talk here going on. but we are at a rally on the campus of the ohio state university. you can see behind me here hundreds of students and other supporters of bernie sanders are on hand. he will take the stage in the next half hour or so. organizers are on edge wondering if trump supporters are going to take him up on the suggestion they should come to bernie sanders rallies. no sign of that yet. most of the people here apair to be bernie sanders supporters. but it was an extraordinary back and forth on the state of the union. let's listen. >> i don't even call them protesters.

i call them disrupters. a lot of them come from bernie sanders, whether he wants to say it or not. if he says no, then he's lying. >> we take mr. trump's words with a grain of salt. i think as almost everybody knows, this man cannot stop lying about anything. some of them with supporters of mine, but certainly, absolutely, we had nothing to do -- our campaign had nothing to do with disrupting his meeting. >> poppy, no doubt that some supporters at least and liberal groups like move on.org and others were playing a role and leading some of the protests that we saw in chicago. but the reality is who else would protest donald trump. of course there will will be liberal protesters. but it is clear that bernie sanders campaign is saying look we are not organizing this. i think it is clear the sanders campaign has its hands full running their own race on the democratic side of things with hoipt let alone trying to oorg niez disrupters for donald trump. but a short time ago a statement was released from the sanders

campaign and bernie sanders said this. donald trump should not be condoning violence by paying the legal fees of a supporters who viciously attacked a supporters at one of his rallies. he should condemn the violence of supporters. so back and forth between bernie sanders and donald trump. >> we're not even in the general election but nothing has been normal this entire election. so let's see what happens there. thank you so much. mark preston and ryan lizza now, let's talk about the town hall. you're there, you've got your finger on the pulse. give us your cheat sheet. it it is so important, especially heading into the ohio voting we will see on tuesday. >> it certainly is. y. let me give you four quick things to look forward to tonight. first thing is the battle over trade. we have seen hillary clinton and bernie sanders starting with michigan fighting over her supported for trade deals. that he says has hurt jobs, back

in michigan before the michigan primary. we held a debate where he criticized bernie sanders saying that his opposition to a bailout hurt the auto industry in michigan. and however they are still running those ads here where we set in ohio. battle over trade right now. and bernie is looking for younger -- [ inaudible ] with that segment of the african-american community. the third thing we are looking for right now, is the reality versus inspirational. where we talk about that is that hoi hillary clinton saying that bernie sanders is not smart enough to get things done saying he is more inspirational and aspirational than he is realistic at getting things

done. bernie sanders saying he can get things done and fourth thing is they have a common bond where they criticize donald trump. i think we will see that tonight. >> no question. and ryan, to you, when we look at bernie sanders, and i want to get specifically to something mark brought up that is the auto bailout. this is a contention -- a point of contention. in ohio it matters a lot. i spent a lot of time in ohio. a lot of those factory jbs so critical. but the reality is, folks say sanders could have done a better job at explaining how he voted on the auto bailout. and making that more clear in the debate when she went after him. >> yeah. she really partsed the language there, accusation very carefully. what hillary clinton said is that bernie sanders voted against the money that was eventually used to pay for the auto bailout. at the time of that vote remember the big tarp vote that

was not known at that point that that money would be used for the auto bailout. later on, the obama administration made that decision to use those funds that had a lot of flexibility. so frankly, i think she was playing a little fast and loose with language there. hitting bernie sanders for a vote when at the time of that vote his knowledge was that that was mostly going to wall street banks. not the autos. he has said that on another vote separate vote for auto bailout funds, he voted affirmatively and supported it. but surprisingly, he didn't actually react quick in the debate and explain all that. it took him a few days after. i like mark's list a lot. i think that's good list. trade is the big issue. i mean, we are looking at two wings of the democratic party and it is interesting to see how far the clinton wing has come in the direction of the bernie sanders wing. >> sure. >> clinton administration passed nafta against the wishes of a lot of democrats and most

democrats rethought that over the years. >> but here is the thing, mark, when you talk about nafta, right, signed by then president clinton in 1994, two things. a, how much can voters hold hillary clinton responsible for it? yes, she was one of the last democrats to come out and oppose ttp last year. but a, how much can you hold her responsible for nafta? and b, cnn money did a great job of breaking this down. factory jobs did not start to decline, manufacturing jobs, until six years after nafta was signed. it is a combination of things. yes, in part free trade. yes, technological advancements as well. >> right, poppy. but going back to the clinton administration, hillary clinton involved in policy decisions for husband taking every policy decision? we could relitigate that. she was very much involved in health care and was very vocal in support of her husband when she joined the obama administration, always promoting the trade agenda that the obama administration was putting forward and then of course,

bernie sanders has seized upon that. so is it fear in some respect it is fear. and in another respect you have to say, at least, to the workers here in ohio, and elsewhere in illinois as well, there are several other of these industrialized states voting on tuesday, least she did vote against the trade deals or opposed them, i should say. at least she opposed them. but the fact of the matter is, it has been a good argument for bernie sanders. >> it's amazing to see on both sides. quickly, ryan, good ahead. >> two things that sanders people will point to as first lady. saying something that endorsed nafta and in her memoir after she left the white house, she also endorsed nafta over time she has been much more skeptical. i think you're right, poppy, you can't blame everything on nafta but it is a symbol for a certain set of economic policies. >> mark preton, ryan lizza thanks so much. a lot more ahead this hour.

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welcome back. donald trump wavered for a few seconds before booting protesters interrupting his rally today. initially trump appeared to be okay with the protesters presence there then decided they should be removeed. let's watch. >> that's okay. leave them alone. got no voice. fellas, leave them alone. leave them alone. look that person, a foolish person. all right, get him out of here. get him out. send him back to bernie. send him back. remember when they took over the microphone for bernie? right? they took over the microphone. all right. get them out of here. go ahead. get them out.

>> let's talk about this. in some historical context. douglas brinkley is with me. author of the book, congrats on the book. >> thank you. >> this follows what happened. this follows what happened on our show live last night. about 20 minutes of protesters interrupting him in kansas city, missouri. you know, that's what took up a bulk of his rally there. can you put this into historical perspective in terms of other campaigns? >> it remind me a lot of george wallace in 1968. rings that southern racist bell. but also wallace got a lot of voters up in detroit and in michigan in the midwest. dissatisfied white lunch bucket blue collar democrats. later called reagan democrats. but wallace created quite an

organization. one in many states. add that to trump's establishment sides, richard mixomi nixon, everything went high-wire. protests everywhere. >> this stood out to me last night in kansas city, missouri, of how he reacted to some of the protesters. >> you know, it is really amazing, when you think about it, you see this, just disrupters, bad people, so bad for our country. so bad for our country. people have no idea. what's going on. so, so bad. so bad. >> he also went on to call the protesters garbage. but they are exercising their first amendment right which is exactly what he is and standing. is there any irony in that? >> there. but that's what richard nixon did. nixon went after them, red meat.

spiro agnew would go after him. >> was it effective? >> it was effective that he won. but what happened to agnew? busted for bribery and nixon impeached because people hated that style of politics. low gutter, worsed kind of politics. >> did you think there is a lesson in history from all of this? for example, that administration? >> well, the one thing, poppy, i reminds students is that history reminds us that our own times aren't uniquely oppressive. we say, oh, this is nothing what we saw the last few days compared to say the chicago democratic convention when mayor daily's police forces had billy clubs and were hammering on anybody or look what happened to african-americans in the '60s with the mad dogs of birmingham and firehouses and all this. but this is simmering right now. i can see this summer, black

life matters movement and others coming, descending on cleveland, massive, hundreds of thousands of protesters, like chicago '68. >> let me ask you, like i did david gergon, is this good eventually for our country? clearly there is this anger. there is this unrest. there is something that needs to be talked about and it is being talked about. >> it is okay with the violence doesn't esescalate. we have the sucker bunch of last week. what if people come in with guns. when i saw the footage of donald trump having to bend over and immediately it rings your bell about bobby kennedy in los angeles. and so and frankly roosevelt shot at in miami. and they ended up killing the mayor of chicago. so the question is now maybe after tuesday, this will calm down. but if this keeps escalating,

we're in for quite perhaps an ugly season here. >> all right. douglas, thank you for putting it in historical perspective. nice to see you. >> thank you, poppy. >> coming up, rick snyder will testify on capitol hill. he will be pressed by lawmakers on how the water in flint became poisoned by lead on his watch. why people weren't notified sooner. i will speak one on one with the congressman. well grill rick snyder, the man at the helm of this committee. stay with me.

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on thursday, rick snyder will testify on capitol hill about the contaminated drinking water in the city of flint. he along with the head of the ea will testify in front of the eversight committee. he will be pressed about what they knew about dangerously high levels of lead in the water months ago and why so little was done to address it right away or warn citizens soon enough. both presidential candidates addressed the water crisis during the cnn debate last weekend. >> what is more important than the health and well-being of the people, particularly children. it is raining lead in flint. >> if local government does not have the resources, if state government for whatever reason

refuses to act, children in america should not be poisoned. federal government comes in. federal government acts. >> representative elijah comesings from the oversight committee. he tweeted quote, flint children need our help. feds providing emergency money. what is one tough nerd doing,sn twitter handle. thank you for being with me. >> glad to be here. >> this is a tragedy. something that should have never ever happened. that's what the governor said to me in my interview with him. what is number one for you when you press the governor on thursday? >> first of all, i want to know when did he know and when did he know it? and why is it that even after finding out and even after his chief of staff knew it, did they wait for more than a year to correct this fiasco.

>> this is a man-made disaster, and poison that goes to a hundred thousand of our citizens. i want to know what he was doing. did he fall asleep at the switch? was he negligent? did he care? what kind of operation was he running. >> he told me the moment he found anything out, he addressed it. here is is another part of our interview. >>? talk directly to the parents of flint right now who is a child that is going to live with this. >> yeah. this is awful. and again, our goal is to do the damage.ssible to minimize - to help support them through that. this shouldn't happen. >> again, this is where there was a failure in government in terms of people not using common sense enough to prevent this from happening and identifying it soon enough. i went through all that last week in great detail. and i reaffirm that. and the people that did this work for me.

so i am responsible. my focus now though is how do we address it? >> so he took responsible in that interview. what else do you want to see? what action do you want? >> first of all we need to know exactly what happened and how it happened. so we can make sure it never happens again. then i think they need to move much faster in replacing pipes and making people have a jurwe e policy that says if you break to you fix it. elected officials have no power and in this situation they messed up the water. so we have to make sure that these policy that say these children are taken care of.

monitored carefully. make sure they have the services that they need education wise and developmental wise to grow and to be the best that they can be. much of this damage will never be corrected with regards to these children, unfortunately. there should be some type of fund where similar to the 9/11 fund, so people can be compensated. it wasn't their fault. and we have to come up with a system whereby folks don't have to be paying for water that they in fact cannot use. i know they made steps in that direction but they can do better. >> the governmegovernor asked f million for previous and future water bills. people should not have to pay for poisonous water they cannot drink. i heard from a new york times article and heard it in flint,

that this wouldn't happen in a wealthy white town. that you've got flint, 40% of the residents live in poverty. majority african-american. the governor said to me, absolutely not. that is not the case at all. look at all of that has been done to help the city of detroit. do you believe raised anything to do with this? or is that not what it is about? is that distracting from fixing the problem? >> i'm not so much sure about race. but i am sure about poverty. i do believe that when you have a poverty-stricken area, this is what happened. you would never convince me that more wealthier sections of michigan would be treated that way. don't want to get distracted on the race thing, but a lot of people in poverty in flint are african-american. that's about as close as can i come to that. but poppy, in america, safe drinking water and water to bathe in should not be a

privilege. it must be a right. it is about survival. this is the united states of america. this is 2016. and we are better than this. i do not want it to become the norm that government walks away from problems and don't address them the way we are supposed to. >> i think everyone is on the same page. let's get this fixed for the people of flint. thank you congressman. i appreciate your time today. >> thank you. coming up next, you will want to see this. cnn exclusive of the man caught on tape yesterday trying to rush the stage at donald trump -- you remember that moment? our very own martin savidge sat down with him today in a cnn exclusive. what he said about those tense moments. what motivated him to act and that tweet from trump accusing him of being a sympathizer with terrorists. what happened after he was dragged off stage? we will talk about it next. vo: across america,

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now to a cnn exclusive. the man arrested after rushing the stage at a donald trump rally in ohio yesterday speaking out for the first time. this video capturing the moment that 22-year-old tommy demasimo tried to confront the runt-runner. he is charged with disorderly conduct and inducing panic. donald trump accused him of having ties with isis. tweeting that the security did a great job getting him. and he should be in jail. martin sat down with him today. what did he say, marty? >> this is the first person we've known to sort of charge the stage. it seemed to raise protest to a new level here. that's what i wanted to find out about. 22-year-old thomas dimasimo is a college senior, he goes to

school here in ohio. he is bright and seems intelligent but is obviously very politically active. what he wanted to do was to deny trump the stage. i asked him, what were you really trying to do? listen to the response. >> what were you thinking? >> i was thinking that donald trump is bully. and he is nothing more than that. he is somebody who is just saying a lot of bold things. he is making bold claims. but i can see right through that. and i can see that he is truly just a coward. and he is opportunistic. and he is willing to destroy this country for power for himself. >> that's your motivation. but what were you thinking that moment? why did you do what you did? >> i was thinking that i could get up on stage and take his podium away from him and take his mic away from him and send a message to all people out in the country who wouldn't consider

themselves racist. who wouldn't consider themselves approving of what type of violence donald trump is allowing in his rallies. and send them a message that we can be strong. we can find our strength and we can stand up against donald trump and against this new wave he is ushering in of truly just violent white spremist ideas. >> if you had made it to that stage, were you going to eattac him? >> no, not at all. there would have been no point. donald trump is 6'3". i'm 5'9", maybe. he is a giant man surrounded by thousands of followers. 12 secret service. and a former ohio state offensive lineman. that would have accomplished nothing. >> can you see how people might have perceived that you were? >> of course. i wasn't expecting there to be as much secret service as there was there that day. wh

from what i had seen, there wasn't that much or not that much in a contained area. so i thought getting to the stage might have been better. so there are people out there who aren't afraid of donald trump. he says scary thing. he lets his people do scary things. he has threatened mexico. islam. you name it. and yet i'm unafraid. and if i can be unafraid enough to take his podium away from him. then we all can be afraid enough to not let this man walk into the white house. >> dimassimo stresses he was never ever intending to do harm to the candidate. he also said he had been thinking about this for a while. this wasn't a spur of the moment action. he started thinking about doing this last november. but he thought the trump phenomena would fade away. it never did. that's why he felt he today make a protest and this was the way of doing it. poppy? >> he certainly made his voice heard. it is important to hear from him after seeing the actions. but donald trump, the tweet i showed at the beginning tying

him to isis, what did dimassimo say about that? >> he says that, first of all, he emphatically denies he has anything to do with isis. and that in fact what happened here was that there had been video on-line. somebody took the video of him that had been posted on-line previously, and doctored it. added arabic writing. and put in music that sounded very much like the music you hear under isis videos. and put that out there. in other words, somebody visually tried to frame him. here is how he talks about his thoughts. >> i in no way harmed anyone, intended to harm anyone. i'm not a member of isis. i have no known ties to isis. i've never been out of the country. i only speak english. sn. >> christian? >> christian, yeah. >> so you know, there you have it. he says that he believes this was orchestrated by trump supporters but he cannot believe

that donald trump himself in some tweet would make the association of linking him to isis. something that he, like almost every other american, detests and hates. poppy? >> martin savidge, fascinating interview. i know there is a lot more. we will bring more to our viewers later an i will point to you cnn.com where you can see more of marty's interview tonight. thank you, martin. i want to bring in ryan lizza just to gets thought on this. look fascinating that marty could get a protester to talk, when you often can't. especially with charges. what do you think is behind some of these protesters' thinking? >> they are really repulsed obviously by donald trump. i was looking at this gentleman's twitter feed and he was celebrating what he did. if you go back over his tweets the last few weeks, it seems

like he was preparing this as he made clear in the interview for white a while. getting increasingly work had up about trump's dominance in the polls. we have all been on tv the last few days. trying to -- talking about trump. trying to frankly getting limb to tone down the rhetoric and a lot of us have been critical about trump setting the tone from the top. >> right. >> i think is worth pointing out that you know, people shouldn't be rushing the stage at political events like there. it is dangerous for the person who is doing it. and dangerous for the candidate. and if you want to stop donald trump or any other candidate, the way to do it is not to jump a barrier and grab the microphone or do whatever this young man thought he was going to do. but obviously, there is a passionate, especially among millennials, people in their 20s, opposition to trump, and it is bringing out the worse net a lot of people. on the bizarre isis part of this, it does remind me that sometimes trump is a little too

quick with his twitter trigger finger. and sees something that you know, supporters pass on and then he tweets it to everyone and it becomes sort of a set of alternate facts even if it is debunked, right? >> right. >> so not to -- i don't have a lot of sympathy for someone who rushes a candidate on stage. but i suppose he should not be smeared -- he should not be smeared with additional accusation of not being related isis when clearly that was fabricated and trump should know better than to say that unless he is a hundred percent certain. >> ryan lizza, thank you. >> what a bizarre twist in a campaign though. >> what a bizarre twist. but so good to hear from him directly, responding to all of it, with marty savidge. thank you. up next, unemployment is down. stock mark set rallying. so why are so many voters angry about the economy? what's behind the numbers? next.

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you're looking at live pictures of ohio state university there. a big night ahead. our jake tapper, moderating the cnn democratic town hall tonight, 8:00 p.m. tonight eastern only right here. meantime, this election season, anger over the u.s. economy has people turning out in droves to

support popular candidates like donald trump and bernie sanders. but president obama has a different take on it. h this is what he said in dallas. >> america is pretty darn great right now. america is making strides right now. america is better off than it was right now. the american people should be proud about what we have achieved together over the last eight years since the recession hit we're great right now! >> one of the things that president pointed to is this, lower unemployment. unemployment below 5% right now. it was about 8% when he took office. not to mention gas is really cheap. around 2 bucks. u.s. economy is growing. and yet look at exit polls from the primary in michigan. 92% of republican voters worried about the economy among democrats it was 80%. where is the divide? no question the middle class shrunk in america. we know that.

less than half of americans are middle class. 61% in 1971. what else is it? let's talk about it with cnn analysts, assisting managing editors, author of a book, "makers and takers of rise -- can you finish the rest. it is sitting on my bedside table. >> thank you. >> let's break this down where the divide is. this is so much the driver of the support for bernie sanders. also for donald trump. that is the fact for the divide here. especially when it comes to what were white middle class men. >> yeah. for sure. the thing that was left out of all of the charts we just saw is the wage line. and if you look at the wage line, it has been flat for a long time and for working class white men actually working people in general it has been flat since the '70s. we're not talking about a quarter of good news. we're not even talking about as -- as the president points

out, eight years of things getting better. we are talking about 20 years of wages being flat for people or more than 20 years and that's what this pent up anger is about. >> if you look at inauguration day, you have it. should say 17,949. to friday, closing at 17,213. here's the difference. >> yeah. >> 50% of people have not a penny in this market. and there's the divide. are those the voters that are rushing to sanders and donald trump? >> some of them. it is interesting. because if you look at who owns stocks, it tends to be the people that are better off. if you look at who has most of their money in housing, it tends to be working people, african-americans. if you look at kind of, you know, who is really angry, it is the people that didn't have money in stocks. the people that lost a lot more in the last eight years during the housing plunge and have not gained that back in recovery. >> here is the thing and i misspoke. the market gain bed 10,000

points and yes it doesn't help p people directly that don't have a 401(k) and ira and money invested in the market. but it does give corporations much more confidence to hire. it does help them to some extent. >> it may have given them more confidence. but hiring is another question. a lot of companies are doing more with less. they are outsourcing jobs. not only abroad but using technology to do jobs that would have taken a lot more people in the past. i spent a lot of time in high-tech factories, companies like ge or gm. they can just do more with fewer workers than they had in the past. >> absolutely. it is astonishing it see. let's talk about candidates specifically. hillary clinton is running on president obama's economic poli policies. >> right. she said that senator sanders shouldn't criticize them. i wonder what you think a better strategy would be for her a try to convince voters that trump and sanders are wrong that obama policies should continue that they are working for people or

tap into voter frustration like sanders and trump are doing and promise to be a candidate for change while trying not to insult current administration. >> i think 40% of the former and 60% of the latter. they want to hear the truth. free trade is good at creating wealth at a global level but creates inequalities within the countries and rust belt which you and i spent a lot of time there. there is a lot of concentrated pain. and this is good all the time for 20 years. we want to hear more about who will be helped. >> let's just talk nafta. signed in for the fact is that yes we lost factory jobs after. but not just because of that. we also lost them because of technology. cnn money looked back at it and factory loss did not happen until after nafta. it's basically going for 20 years of a lot of globalization. you look at the time between

2000 and 2010, in that decade america lost about a third of its manufacturing base, so 6 million jobs. some of it was jobs going to china, jobs going to mexico. some of it was just falling demand after the financial crisis we didn't buy as much stuff. some of it is technology. it's a mixed story. i think sloters want to hear hey, the candidates know that trade hasn't been good for everybody. we'll figure out ways to help the losers help people who have been hurt by this retrain them and give them some support. >> the reality is the exact jobs aren't coming back because technology has taken them over. >> no, but there are ways the government can support smart manufacturing to bring back better jobs. >> are. rana, thank you, congrats on the book. the billionaire head of tech giant sales force gives his take on the 2016 race, who he is backing and why. also another live look at the stage all set up for tonight's cnn democratic town hall. what is at stake before five major states go to the polls on tuesday. you show up.

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