ohio as they try to win support ahead of tuesday's crucial primary, and it is the democratic town hall and hosted by our own jake tapper and tvone's roland martin. i'm poppy harlow in new york, and do not go anywhere, because the town hall begins right now. we are live in ohio. the democratic candidates for president are here. >> and the voters have fewer than two days to make up their minds. >> announcer: tonight, the the democrats are in ohio answering directly to voters in one of the key battleground states. >> i want to be the president for the struggling and the striving. >> we have a long, long way to go to rebuild the american middle-class. >> announcer: hillary and bernie sanders sharing the spotlight and the scrutiny. >> it matters with what you say when you run for president of the united states of america. >> announcer: pressure is mounting as the the fight for delegates enters a crucial round.

>> we are doing the win here on march 15th, and together, we're going to transform america. sfwlns this is a cnn tvone town hall democratic e event and a chance for the voters to have their say in a high-stakes contest for the nation. >> we have a number of issues. >> this is our country, and we can do a lot better than we are doing now. >> announcer: the voters are making their decisions, and the candidates are making their pitch, and the balance hangs in ohio right now. [ applause ] live from the auditorium on the campus of the ohio state in columbus, this is the cnn tvone democratic townhall, and we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world and on our partner tvone

and to the listeners on the radio one network, i'm jake tapper. ohio is known to decide election, and this state is about to play a critical role tuesday when the voters go to the polls along with four other big states. in the auditorium, we have found many ohio voters who are still un undecided and before they make up their minds, they want answers from senator bernie sanders and former secretary of state hillary clinton. the audience members have submitted questions to us, and we have reviewed this them to make sure they do not overlap. i will be asking questions as well along with my friend roland martin of tvone. first, let's welcome senator bernie sanders of vermont. [ applause ] >> thank you. very good to see you. >> good to see you.

>> so, senator, let's start and i have a few questions and so does roland and then we will get to ohio voters, and there is a lot of emotion on the campaign trail, and in some cases unfortunately some violence. donald trump has been on the stump blaming your supporters for some of it, and take a listen. >> look, it is a bernie person. it is a bernie. hello, bernie. hey, ber nish shg, bernie, get line. can you imagine that bernie saying that trump should get the people under control, and they put in these people. and by the way, our crowds are so much bigger than bernie's, you wouldn't believe it. >> your are response, senator? >> i hesitate to say this, because i don't really like to disparage public officials, but donald trump is a pathological liar. [ applause ] we have never, our campaign does

not believe in and never will encourage anybody to disrupt anything. we have millions of supporters, and people do what they do, and people have the right to protest. i happen not to believe that people should disrupt anybody's meetings, but let me say something about mr. trump. some of you may have read just a few hours ago that mr. trump said that he is prepared to pay for the legal costs of an individual who sucker punched somebody at a recent event. he is going to pay the legal fees of somebody who committed a terrible act of violence. what that means is that donald trump is literally inciting violence with his supporters. he is saying that if you go out to beat somebody up, that is okay, ri will pay the legal fees. that is an outrage and i would hope that mr. trump tones it

down big time and tells his supporters that violence is not acceptable in the american political process. >> senator sanders -- [ applause ] so i interviewed senator marco rubio this morning, and he told me that he is also very concerned about the tone that donald trump has at his rallies, and senator rubio told me that he is quote very concerned about the tone to the degree that he is worried that somebody might actually lose their life. are you concerned that way? >> well, you know, jake, you heard this one individual who sucker punched somebody, and if he is quoted correctly, what he said, well, you know, why did you punch him up? well, he might be a terrorist, and next time i might have to kill him. and this is roughly the e quote. >> that is exactly what he said. >> and that is what he said. and this is guy that trump is o going to be paying legal fees for? what that is essentially saying, friends, is an incitement to

violence, you go beating up somebod somebody, it is okay, we'll pay the legal fees. this is unacceptable, and i think that senator rubio has a legitimate concern. we have to put an end to this. trump has to get on the tv and tell his supporters that violence in the political process in america is not acceptable, end of discussion. >> and one second, roland, because i want to play devil'sed a evo kate on this for a second. some of your supporters in chicago were acting violently as well, and i have to say that the guy who rushed the stage yesterday at donald trump voted for you. now i know that you are not encouraging, and i know that you are not encouraging the violence, but do you need to tell your voterers -- >> well, millions of people voted for me, and if i have to take responsibility for everybody who voted for me, it is a very difficult life but let me repeat what i said. i have never and i will never condone violence.

people have the right to protest, and that what america is about. i have been on the picket lines my whole life, but that is very different from getting involved with violence. >> and senator, you have talked abincome inequality in this campaign, and reverend jesse jackson sr. here who is has been fighting silicon valley and opening up the doors for people of color, and however, power pac plus did a study showing that the democratic party spent $540 million on various consultants, and minorities got 1.7% or 8.million of that, and how can the people trust democrats to do something about income inequality when it comes to dollars they practice income inequality. >> and let me say hello to reverend jackson and i was with him yesterday. i am proud to say that way back in 1988 when he and i were younger and he ran the brilliant campaign fort president, and i am proud to say that i was one of the few white politician, and

elected officials to support s jesse jackson and he in fact won the state of vermont and i'm very proud of that. and what we have to do as a party and nation is to make sure that federal contracts and money goes to those people who need it the most. roland, let me tell you what i think is one of the great crises facing the country which gets little coverage from the media, and that is youth unel employment in the country, unemployment and underemployment is off of the charts. for african-american kids, it is 51%. >> yes. >> i want and i believe that the folks most capable of helping lower that rate are the black business community. and i think that we should be very aggressive in targeting federal contracts to the african-american community, the latino community and those communities that can hemp us the most deal with -- that can help us to deal with the highest

rates of unemployment. >> okay. ke questions -- you go here and i will go there. and the first question is from ms. allen. would you stand up? her brother was shot and killed by a police officer last year for a routine traffic stop for a missing license plate. and you may have e remembered this in senacincinnati and he w have turned 44 yesterday, and she is leaning towards secretary clinton, but she is undecide and the floor is yours. >> hi, senator sanders. thank you for taking my question. i wanted to ask, as americans, we are and it is ex pepected th we can speak out against terrorists, and speak out against murders and killers of all forms except when that kill ser a police officer. yesterday, my brother was toing to turn 44 years old, and last july he was shot in the head by a police officer, and we have been on a mission to try to get

some accountability within the police systems, and so i wanted to know, it has been my experience unfortunately that the police officers do lie. they do kill unjust ly. they do falsify police reports. as president, what would you do the create a zerole tolerance policy for unjust police killings, and to help to create a system of accountability that is greater than what we have right now. >> well, terina, first of all, on behalf of my wife and myself, we send you condolences for the terrible an unjust loss. we have seen in ohio and all over this country unarmed people, often african-americans shot and killed while being apprehe apprehended by police officers. that has got to end, and it has got the end soon.

and so, let me say a couple of things. number one, any police officer who breaks the law, like any other public official, must be held accountable. period. people break the law, they must be held accountable. [ applause ] number two, if elected president of the united states, my department of justice are will investigate every killing of an american held in police custody or killed while being apprehended, and automatic department of justice investigation. [ applause ] number three, we need to develop the concept of a model police

department. and a modelled police department and the federal government can play a significant role on that is to make and to create training procedures so that police officers understand that the use of lethal force is the last response, not the first response. too often people are shooting, and then asking questions later. furthermore, we need to demilitarize local police departments around this country so that they don't look like occupying armies, and we need to make police departments reflect the diversity of the communities they are serving. [ applause ] the american people are tired, blacks, whites, all of us are tired of seeing unarmed people getting shot. we are tired by the way of seeing more people in jail in america than any other country on earth. i promise you that addressing

this issue of real criminal j justice reform and ending institutional racism will be at the very top of my list of priorities. >> thank you, senator. i want to turn now to john terry who works in manufacturing, and he is leaning towards you. >> thank you very much, senator. it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to be here. we all know that the auto industry is booming, but for myself and thousands of workers like me who manufacture parts for these huge companies, our paychecks are more comparable to fast food wages as opposed to being a pathway to like the middle-class. so as president, what would you do not only to bring up wages, but to keep these vital jobs in the united states? >> all right. thank you very much for that

very important question. there are two issues surrounding the question that you have asked if i might. number one, you are looking at a senator and former congressman who opposed every one of these disastrous trade agreements which have cost american workers millions of jobs. i could see from day one that these corporately written trade agreements were designed to allow corporations to shutdown in america, throw people out on the streets and go to mexico, go to china and pay the pennies on the hour, and then bring the products back into the country. one of the strong differences between secretary clinton and myself, she has supported almost all of those trade agreements and i have vigorously opposed it. but you are raising another issue which is little attention, and that is the "race to the bottom." and the good news is that in the recent years we have been seeing the increase in the number of manufacturing jobs in america,

and that is good. the bad news is that some of the jobs are now paying 50% or 60% of what these jobs used to pay. and the reason for that is corporations are saying, okay, well, we will bring back jobs, but you are going to have to take a significant pay cut, and if you do not, we will ship your company's jobs off to china or vietnam. all right. i will not only continue to oppose trade the agreements like the tpp which asked us to compete against people in vietnam who make 65 cents an hour minimum wage, but what we are going to do is to develop an entirely different process in terms of trade. tonight on cnn, there are going to be 30-second ads from all of the major corporations, and they are going to be saying, buy this product, and buy that product, well, you know what, if they

want us to buy those products the time is long overdue for them to manufacturer those products here in the united states, and not in china. furthermore, furthermore, for all working people, we have got to recognize that the $7.25/hour minimum wage is a starvation wage. we are going to raise that minimum wage to $15/hour so that nobody in america works 40 hours lives in poverty. >> senator sanders, senator -- [ applause ] hope the see some of of those ads on tvone, too. and now, right here, wayne carlson who is the dean of undergraduate students here at ohio state, and he says he is torn between you and secretary clinton. wayne? >> thank you very much for

allowing me to be here. as dean of undergraduates, i am very, very much aware of the impact on our students of escalating costs and higher education, and particularly the disadvantaged students. i, myself, am a first-generation low-income student, and i financed my way are through college using federal grants and forgivable loans. i nknow that, senator, you are are proposing free college for a all. i don't quite understand how that's possible. senator, is there room for compromise on this issue? >> well, wayne, i am not proposing, and very often it gets misunderstood, i am not proposing free college for all. what i am proposing is free tuition at public colleges and universities. that is what i am proposing. and i am also proposing to substantially lower the outrageous level of student debt that millions of people in the

country are currently carrying. why am i doing this? i am doing this because today in many respects a college degree is the equivalent of what a high school degree was 50 years ago. the world has changed. the economy has changed. people need more education. that is why i believe that we should make public colleges and universi universities tuition-free so that anybody in this country who has the ability, who has the qualifications will be able to get a college degree, regardless of the income of his or her family. and like you, i came from a family that didn't have a lot of money, and first generation to go to college, but i want every kid in this country who is in the sixth grade or the fourth grade to understand that if he or she studies hard, does well sh, they will be able to go to college regardless of the income of their family.

and we are going to pay for that. and i will tell you how we will pay for this. i have been criticized, because it is an expensive proposition, a and it is $70 billion a year, and some of you will remember that back in 2008, congress bailed out wall street after their greed and illegal behavior near ly destroyed our economy. i believe that we should impose a tax on wall street speculation. if we could bail out wall street, now it is wall street's time to help the the middle class of this country. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, i have heard from and obviously at tvone we are talking to african-american, and i have heard from a number of hcbu graduates who are very concerned about the plan, and we are at ohio state, but there are two here, and how do you ensure

that your plan would not be the death knell of hcbus that graduate the black doctors and lawyers? >> i am a 100% sup pportive of e hbcus, but if i am correct, they are public college. >> and half are private. >> and half are not, and i understand that for as relatively small number of colleges, they graduate a heck of a lot of african-american people. >> 300,000 students every year. >> huge role. i i will do everything that i can, and we are not doing it now -- and let's be clear -- because i have talked to many presidents at the black colleges, and they are struggling, and i will do everything that i can to fully support, and we are have legislation in to protect not only hcbus but other nonprofit colleges who bring in a lot of low income students. they are high on my agenda, and they should not be or feel threatened by this legislation.

>> senator, i want you to meet charles noble who is a program manager here at the ohio state university, and he is still making up his mind of who to support tuesday. >> thank you, senator, for taking my question. i am a director of a program called my brother's keeper, and we work with young people below the poverty line, and there is a lot of concern about where we go with trade. in south side of columbus, we have seen plants go for economic closure, and rates of infant mortality and the race of ed educational attainment, and so on and so forth, and in some areas of the south side as bad as they are in third world countries. if elected, what is your administration going to do to ensure that international trade deals do more to promote growth on the south sides and areas like it? >>le well, when i talk about the

disastrous trade agreements, and we have lost since 2001 almost 6,000 -- 60,000 factories. and can you imagine that 60,000 factories. if you go to the department store, it is very difficult to find something manufactured in the united states of america. and that is something that we have to hit. and everybody has been hit, but the african-american community has been hit harder, and so if if you are an aftrican-american worker, and you are work in the factory, you have a union and you are doing pretty well, because you are making middle-class wages, but if you lose that factory, what are you doing? working in the mcdonald's, and working for $9 or $10 an hour, and so what we have got to do and we have to do a number of things economically to my mind. number one, we will develop an entirely new set of trade pol y policieses not written by corporate america for corporate america, all right. we are going to write trade

policies that wosrk for the working people of this country, and poor people abroad but not just for the multi national corporations. number two, as part of the overall economic investment polic policy, and we have talked about this with jesse jackson the other day, and we have to target the economic development into those communities who are most hard pressed. i know what is going on in ohio, and i was in flint, michigan, a couple of weeks ago, and you cannot believe what is going on. and third-world country, you would think it is a fourth-world country. and here is the main point that this campaign is about. people don't know it, but we are the richest country in the history of the world. problem is that almost all of the new income and wealth is going to the top 1%, and the problem is that we have the worst distribute shup of wealth of any major country on earth. i have spent my life taking on the billionaire class and the

special interests. i will continue to do that, and we are going to create the economy that wosrks for all of us, and not just a few, and we are going to invest in low income communities all over america. what is going on in areas of columbus, areas all over to the country is a national disgrace. together, we are going to change it. >> senator, let's talk about trade more broadly. [ applause ] >> yes. >> you were and you remain a strong opponent of nafta. >> yes. >> and exports are a big part of the ohio economy and more than half of ohio exports go to two countries affected by nafta other than the united states, canada and mexico. what do you tell a skeptical ohioan that about how your trade policies won't hurt them? >> well, look, jake. we live in a global economy, and everybody understands that trade is a positive thing. nobody is talking about building

ale wall around the united states. of course, we are going to trade. oh, i beg your pardon, there is one guy talk about building a wall. plauz plauz -- [ applause ] let me rephrase, no rational person is talking about building a wall. but of course we are going to do trade, and trade policys have to be policies that work for the people of our country. i will work very hard to expand agricultural exports, expand manufacturing exports, but they have to be based around a principle not of unfettered free trade where the american workers are working against people around the world who are makings pennies per hour, but fair trade, and that is the trade policy that i will work for.

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welcome back to the ohio state university in columbus for this democratic presidential down hall. we are here with senator bernie sanders of vermont and we will go to the next questioner and next voter, steve who works in pub h lick relation, and he say that he is leaning towards secretary clinton, but there is still a chance senator sanders. >> and senator sanders, welcome to columbus. you have mentioned the tax policy which would tax wall stree street, and obviously, it is tax the wealthiest americans, but according to the tax policy center, middle income homeowners could also see an increase in the income taxes, and the number is $4,700, and for wages that have been stagnant for a shrinking middle-class, what is

your message to middle income americans and ohioans. >> well, first of all we disagree with that analysis. different groups do different analyses, and other groups come up with different results. at a time when the top one-tenth of the one percent owns the top 1%, and all new income generated today goes to the top 1%, and when major corporations are making billions of dollars in profits and stash their money in the cayman islands and in bermuda and end up not paying a nickel in tax, and communities in columbus and all over this country are falling apart, and when we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth, and you nknow what i think? i think that the wealthiest people in the country, and the largest corporations are going to have to start paying their fair share of taxes. number two --

[ applause ] a lot of the analyses of our proposals, our tax proposals have forgotten to include our medicare for all health care program. and what medicare for all will do is provide health care to every man, woman, and child without having to pay premiums to the insurance companies and very substantially lower the cost of prescription drugs. i believe that is the direction that we should go in. so, to answer your question, yes sh yes, i believe that the wealthiest people and the largest corporations should be asked to pay their fair share. we are going to protect the middle-class of this country, and we are going to address m massive levels of income and wealth inequality, and the disinvestment that we are seeing in communities throughout this country. >> well, senator -- [ applause ] thank you, since i have a

brother and two sisters who are a teacher, and one who is a teacher's aide, let's go to one. we have a teacher here who went to teachers for america, and saw the ip equity in the school system ises and says she is undecided, and so you have a shot. go for it. >> i will work for it. >> and so thank you for taking my question. a article was released in the columbus dispatch friday releasing the top student gains from around the state of ohio. of these one-third of those schools producing the results were charters right here in columbus, ohio. so, knowing this and also having similar narratives from across the country, do you think that charter schools are a vital way to educate children in low income communities, or do you think that you would continue as president giving money to traditional public schools? >> i believe in public education, and i believe in public charterle schools.

[ applause ] i do not believe in private privately controlled charter schools. [ applause ] and i will tell you what with else i believe. i believe that when we talk about education as a nation, we have got to make education not just rhetorically, but in reality one of the great priorities facing our country. i have a little bit tired of hearing about all of the great football players and the millions of dollars a year they make. maybe we should talk about the great teachers in the country and make sure that they can earn a good wage. [ applause ] and let me say if i can build on your question, you know, when we talk about national priorities, and when we talk about a proliferation of millionaires and billionaires while half of

the kids in public schools in america are on free or reduced lunch, talk about an issue that nobody talks about, and that is the dysfunctional child care system that we have in america. every psychologist who studies the issue knows that zero through four are the most important years for intellectual and emotional development, and yet we have child care workers who are making $9 or $10 an hour without any benefits. i intend to do everything that i can to create a first-class national child care system with well paid, well trained teachers so that the all of our little kids get a start in life that is worthy of children in the united states of america. >> senator sanders -- [ applause ] i listened to the answer about charter schools and not supporting the private charters. >> yes. >> but we use the taxpayer dollars in the form of grants for folks to go to colleges.

we did a poll on tvone with roland martin and many parents support the programs, but many democrats don't, so how can we support tax dollars for colleges, but we don't support free choice for folks in elementary and middle and high schools? >> well, there is a difference, and the reason is that right now, schools all ovthe country e being defunded. and you may want to argue many with me, but i believe it is a good debate. people from all economic levels and rich and poor and middle-class coming together is one of the reasons that we created the great nation that we have. so, we are going to do everything that we can to support public education, and support experimentation in public education and in my city of burlington, vermont, we have

started some great public and i don't know what they are called charter schools and one of them is into, and one is, well, i forgot what it is actually -- >> h mag nait schools? >> yes. and i want to see the experimentation, but i do not want to see the money leave the public schools. >> all right. senator sanders, i want you to meet a doctor from dublin, ohio, who says that he is undecided, but he is leaning towards secretary clinton. doctor? >> welcome to u columbus. i'm a son of immigrants, and both of my parents who are citizens now have done very well in this great country, and so have i. but as a one percent ethnic and religious minority, and witnessing the rise of donald trump for the first time, my family has started to feeling a little uncomfortable here, and frankly, a little bit scared. if donald trump secures the republican nomination, i am going to have one mission heading to the ballot box which is to keep him from taking

office. which demt kratic candidate is going to be better at helping me to do that? someone who can not just condemn it which is easy, be tow defeat him. >> good. good question. >> and, and other than the usual negative rhetoric and attack ads, none of which have worked so far, what are three specific points of your anti-trump game plan. >> okay. first off, thank you more the question. [ applause ] you know, a lot of criticisms are thrown at me, and this is natural in politics, but one that i resent is that, well, bernie, you are a nice guy, and i like your ideas, but you can't win the general election, and so let me deal with that. take a look at virtually every national poll that has been done. and take a look at the nbc/wall

street poll of two or three days a, and bernie sanders was defeating donald trump by 18 points. in fact, by all of -- in virtually all, but not all of those polls, the margin, my margin over trump is wider than secretary clinton's. if you look at statewide polls, and the polls done in michigan a week or two ago, i was 19 point s ahead of trump, and in new hampshire, i think 19 points as well. so first point, i think that if you are looking at the polling, i am the strongest democratic candidate to beat donald trump. second point is republicans win when the voter turn theout is low. i think that any objective assessment of the current campaign, and we have just had a rally here in columbus a few hours ago, and we had 7,000 people out, and we have had 25,000 or 28,000 people out at the rallies, and any objective

assessment of this this campaign will suggest that the excitement and the energy for large voter turnouts is with the bernie sanders' campaign. third point to answer your question. the way that you beat trump is to expose him. and he can be exposed at many, many levels, and not the least of which, this is a guy who is a billionaire, but doesn't believe that we should raise the minimum wage above $7.25 an hour. and this is a guy who goes on the republican tv debate and says that wages in america are too low. tell that to the people in ohio that wages are too low. this is a guy who believes that in defiance of all science that climate change is a hoax. and then of course, on top of all of that is the issue that you raised, the american people are not going to elect a president who is insulting mexicans, muslims, women, v

veterans -- insulting virtually everybody who is not quite like donald trump. thank god, most people are not quite like donald trump. and by the way -- [ applause ] -- just as an addition, i don't want anybody here to forget that donald trump was one of the leaders of the so-called birther movement, and what that movement was about was a very, very deep attack on the legitimacy of the presidency of barack obama. that is a real assault, and it is not saying, well, i disagree with obama, because that is f e fine, but what he was saying is that barack obama does not have the right to be president. he was not born in america. that is an insult not only to the african-american community, but it is an insult to every one of us who voted and supported barack obama. >> senator, i want you to meet crystal who is a mother and

advocate who helpis people struggling addiction, and she is supporting you tuesday, but she has this question. >> i was addicted to heroin for over 12 years, and trying to raise my two small children, and oftentimes taking my youngest with me to buy heroin daily and it became my main goal everyday. i am in recovery now, and lucky not to be in prison, and with what my question is, is what you plan to do with the failed drug policy that tends to want to incarcerate addicts instead of rehabilitate them. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> if you were at the rally we held just a few hours ago, what you would have heard me say, and what i say all of the time is that today in america, we have in my state, in neighboring new hampshire and all over this country, a massive crisis in

heroin addiction and overdosing and opiate edaddiction as well. what we have got to do is to fundamentally rethink the so-called war on drugs which has been a failure. we have to look at substance abuse and addiction as a health issue, and not a criminal issue. locking up addicts is not going to solve the problem. and frankly -- [ applause ] -- in terms of mental health in this country, we are failing and failing badly. it is not only that we are not providing the treatment that addicts and abusers need when they need it, we have thousands of people who are walking the streets of america to dday, and you talk about the horrific mass killings, and you have people walking the streets today who are suicidal and who are homicidal and they call up my

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hey, folks, welcome back to the are cnn/tvone democratic presidential town hall in the auditorium here on the campus of the ohio state. and bernie sanders is going to continue with the questions, and we have anne here who is a chef and lean iing towards you, and e if you can seal the deal. >> okay. >> senator, i am opening up a

small independent restaurant not far from here, and while i'm a senior citizen, i am behind the populous stance, but as a small entreprene entrepreneur, what will my business look like under your plans? >> after you don't have to pay health insurance for yourself or your employees, you will be a lot better off. small-mediu small-medium-sized and large-sized businesses are crippled by the large amounts of money spent on health care and the amount of time they are spending trying to fig yure out what type of health insurance program works for the employees. i want you the think about the business, and think about having health insurance for you and your families and your employee s that is publicly funded which is the case in every other major country on earth.

what will that do for you business? make your life easier? >> certainly simpler. >> and to be honest, we will pay more in taxes, and you will pay a little bit more in taxes, but the savings is going to be in total much greater by the retuck shun and the fact that you are not going to have to be paying the private health insurance premiums, and you and every other small businessmen in the country will be better off under my plan. [ applause ] >> and now, considering that black women start businesses more than anybody else in the country, that is good news. and now, we go to misty jordan from radio one here in columbus, ohio, and we call that family. >> good evening. i'm thrilled to be here. my question is what will you do different from president obama to the move your agenda forward

if there is no change in congressional power. >> good question. >> thank you. >> and for start, if i become president, it will mean that there will be a significant increase in the voter turnout. in every caucus and primary that we have won, we have won nine so far, and we think that we have a chance to win here in ohio. [ applause ] in every instance including michigan last week the turnout was great. so what we are doing is to create large voter turnouts, and if there is a large voter turnout, there is no doubt in my mind that the democrats will recover the united states senate and gain significant seats in the house. all right. that is number one. number two, and maybe more importantly the whole premise of my campaign and you are saying, how do we get things done really. the premise and essence of my campaign is the belief which i know to be true, because i work

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wellcome back to the ohio state university in columbus. we are talking with vermont senator bernie sanders. senator sanders, as you know in the town halls towards the end of them, we like to ask some questions so that the audience can get to know you better. you are still relatively new on the national scene, and one question that i think that people might be interested in hearing is that we all know that you are very close with your wife, jane, and your family, and who are your friends? if you have national tickets in washington one day, who would you invite one day and say jane was out of town, who would you invite? >> well, we have some close friend, and many people who work with me in my office who i have known for years, and my campaign

manager is somebody who started to work for me when he was 18 years of age, and doing a great job running this campaign. so the people that i work with are often my closest friends, and back in burlington, i have very dear friends who i have been close to for 30 or 40 years. >> as you know, washington works well when people in washington from both sides of the aisle know each other, and work well together, and who is the person who is close toast you with whom you disagree the most on politics? >> republican, we are talking about? you see, the irony here, and this is not even funny, if i told you the republican that i liked the most, it would ruin his political career. [ laughter ] >> do it! >> there is a 30-second ad, sanders said he likes this person, and he is finished. >> who is it? >> i will give you an example, one of the most conservative members of the senate is a fellow named jim inhofe from

oklaho oklahoma. and jim is a climate change denier, and he is really, really conservati conservative, but you know what, he is a decent guy, and i like him, and he and i are friends. and you will find that. you will find the fact that just because you have very significant political differences, doesn't mean that you cannot develop a friendships with good people. >> and lastly, senator, this is an enormous undertaking that you are in the middle of right now, and has this experience running for president changed you, and if so, how has it changed you? >> has it changed me, god, yes. it has profoundly changed me. i come from a small state, and i love my state so much, and i'm so proud to represent vermont in the senate. but when you go around the country, you meet so many extraordinary people. almost at every rally that we do, we do a clutch where we bring the local people together, and you will meet the people from the la tee the know community and hear their

experiences. i remember in phoenix talking to a young teenaged girls with tears, literally tears rolling down her eyes fearful about somebody from her family being deported, and that makes you fight that much more for real immigration reform. we meet with people from the native american community, and extraordinary people who we have treated so shabby ily over the year, and you learn about their culture, and the one regret i ha have, and it is the nature of the campaigns is that you don't have the time to spend with people and go around the state. you know, you go in there and give a speech and you go to the hotel and off for more speeches the next day, but i have met extraordinary people, and i have seen so many young people who are optimistic about the future of this country, and are prepared to fight to make sure that this country becomes all that it can become. all of that is extremely gratifying to me, and at the end of the day, when you look around, we are so proud to be