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donald trump is dominating headlines once again. but is it different this time? kayleigh, you saw the latest poll. it has not been the greatest week for donald trump. let's say he's under fire for his foreign policy positions. his campaign manager under arrest. now this. do you think that he's going o overcome this and he's going to
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be able to make up some ground in wisconsin? he's not used to fighting back from behind in this campaign. >> yeah, you know, he might lose wisconsin. we'll see. i certainly hope not. but he very well might. that being said, i think when you look forward past wisconsin, losing wisconsin with not be good, but you look at new york and new jersey, these are not states that senator cruz is poised to do well in. even if he were to win wisconsin, which he very well might not, he's not poised to do well going forward. >> we've been hearing this since iowa, right before the iowa caucus. folks, deal with it. senator cruz has great chance of being the republican nominee. he can either win outright because the trump versus non-trump part is the growth opportunity.
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that's the one that's increasing now. look at the polls. mr. trump has had this backward attrition in his favorable rating among suburban women, married republican women, 71% of all women have an unfavorable opinion of him. if he's the nominee, i hope he can turn it around. until then he's sliding backwards. always deflecting as to the other candidates that just can't do well because states geographically don't look that way. recognize if mr. trump has never gotten over 50% in any contest, only ted cruz has, if he can't get over 50% in a two and a half person race, we have a real contest. who is going to give him an extra delegate when he gets to cleveland. >> wisconsin is the last stand, isn't it? >> i don't know that it's the last stand. donald trump either gets 1,237 delegates or he doesn't. wisconsin could very well be the
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difference. if trump wins wisconsin, he probably gets 1,237. if he loses wisconsin, he probably doesn't. it a big deal on tuesday. >> there's been an extraordinary amount of outside money to come together, this wisconsin is a test state. finally everybody is not just -- there's united and cohesive group to try to derail trump. >> i want to play more of trump's interview with chris matthews. listen. >> are you going to be teddy roosevelt in? 1912 he didn't get the nomination. he walked out, split the party, beat the republican party in november but lost the general to
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wilson. >> i can't tell you what i'm going to do yet because i'm not sure i know. i hope they're going to be fair. if they're going to be fair, they're going to be very happy. how can they give up on -- >> because they don't like you. >> they haven't stuck to the pledge. i don't want an endorsement from somebody that doesn't feel like, oh, i love trump, if he win, he's going to be the guy. if they asked me about cruz, i said no, no, put no pressure on cruz, tell him he doesn't have to endorse me, please don't endorse me. >> does anybody here think we could see the teddy roosevelt scenario if he doesn't win wisconsin? >> he doesn't have enough voters to go beat the republican party in november. what he does is have enough to make sure hillary clinton win bus that might be happening
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anyway. >> go ahead, kayleigh mcenany. >> i was just going to say i think what trump said is exactly right. we have to see how this plays out. reince priebus said something really interesting yesterday. he said a plurality is a minority and a minority doesn't decide for the majority. he's meaning if he gets shy of 1,237, it's still a minority and that can't decide for the majority party. what should decide? should it be one minority? 8 million voters? or should it be a minority of delegates who are unelected in a smoke-filled room deciding who gets the room? >> there's no smoking in that convention center, i've been there. seriously, kayleigh, the rules are the rules.
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now you're trying to rewrite the rules. i think what the trump campaign needs to do now is what the cruz forces are doing now, trying to pick off delegates now. this is where the lack of infrastructure really hurts. i think the reason cruz is ahead of trump by 10 points and by kasich by even more. >> go ahead. >> there are a lot of things that are not fair. there's an electorate college. al good morning won the popular vote but he did not become president because of the electoral college.
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it might not seem fair but this is how it works. >> and some people are still smarting over that. >> coming up, donald trump stands by campaign manager corey lewandowski after he is charged with battery over a female reporter but how will the justice system view the case? ♪ in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in buffalo, where the largest solar gigafactory in the western hemisphere will soon energize the world. and in syracuse, where imagination is in production. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov i built my business with passion.
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x1 makes it easy to find what blows you away. call or go onliand switch to x1. only with xfinity. donald trump says he won't fire campaign manager corey lewandowski, who has been charged with simple battery of reporter michelle fields. lisa, you first. michelle fields has been consistent with her story. would you take her case? >> oh, absolutely. you mean, if i were on the civil side or prosecutorial side. we have a victim who has told a consistent story. we have a videotape that corroborates her story. we have an independent witness, "the washington post" reporter who corroborates her story and on the other side we have corey
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lewandowski and donald trump who have told multiple conflicting stories. i think this is a slam dunk for her side. >> mark, do you feel she has a legitimate case here? >> no, she has no case here. there are prosecutors across america that are laughing at this right now. there is never going to be a conviction. the worst that will ever happen to him is pretrial diversion. my guess is sober minds will prevail. this case but for presidential politics, it's a joke. contrary to what lisa says. the problem is the secret service is going to back um corey and trump and they're going to say she was reaching and they were batting away. >> they might say that but we have a videotape. so we don't have to speculate as
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to what might have happened. we can see that she's not reaching for him and at most she has a very dangerous weapon in her hand, a pen. perhaps that's a pen bomb that's about to explode, as donald trump. the pen is mightier than the sword but i don't think that's a dangerous weapon. >> it really doesn't matter. >> if you're traveling and you're that close, the secret service has already vetted you. they do allow reporters to have writing instruments. otherwise they can't do their job. >> because they're reporters. >> that's not the issue, don. the issue is when she's reaching for him, which is what the video shows, he's got a right to push away. the pen is meaningless, number one. number two, the secret service has already backed up his position here, and, number three, the video is completely contradicts her original statement, which was she was being pulled to the ground, she almost fell down, this or that. >> it's not this or that.
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she gave a very -- >> lisa wants to make this into a bigger deal. >> no. mark, if i may -- >> i talked to ten prosecutors today. they all laughed and said this is never going to get prosecuted. >> you already said people laughed but the law enforcement actually reviewed the record and arrested and charged him. why? because she didn't say this or that. she made a very clear statement. she didn't say i fell to the ground. she said i almost lost my balance. that's what she said. that's not an overstatement. she's got a bruise on her arm. listen, trump and corey lewandowski have come out as they always do with women and try to demean them and call them delusional and when they that an doesn't work, they go to plan b and say someone else attacked her. >> lisa, whenever anything happens, you always take refuge in that it's an anti-woman -- >> every day donald trump makes an anti-woman statement,
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including today. is there i'm not a donald trump supporter. 35 years of experience, there's nobody who is going to convict this guy based on that tape. >> the reason i bring up the tape is because it was a writing instrument because it was a writing instrument. >> she didn't grab him, though. that's an important distinction. >> what if he says she did. >> there's a videotape. >> in a crowded press conference, is there a scenario that would justify lewandowski -- first of all, you have a pen right now and i don't feel the least bit threatened. this is a press conference. reporters are invited to come. she walked alongside and she asked him a question about affirmative action, which he didn't like. if he was threatened, he was surrounded by secret service.
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none of them jumped in to protect donald trump. that's very telling -- >> that's not true. >> it is true because there is a videotape. you show me where secret service jumped in and got involved in what happened. >> they're going to enhance the tape, they're going to show the tape. this is such a joke. the mother of the prosecutor hasn't been born that would ever pursue this case. i don't know what was going through their mind when they filed this, that shows just as much the reporter reaching for trump's arm or elbow as it does the campaign manager pushing it off.
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if he's -- if she's reaching for his elbow, he's got an absolute right to push her off. >> everybody stand by. we're going to continue this conversation. i'll let you respond, lisa, when we come right back. >> okay. which allergy? eees. bees? eese. trees? eese. xerox helps hospitals use electric health records so doctors provide more personalized care.
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that's why we have felonies and misdemeanors. it remarkable people will say what if this, what if that? we have a videotape. that's what the police found to be most incriminating. that's why they brought this charge. >> can we move along? the comments about trump punishing woman for abortion, why are people so owe funded by this notion of punishing women for an illegal abortion? >> what are we going to do, round up a million women and put them in jail for making a poor choice? even though pro-life don't advocate such a thing.
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that's why i talk about the war on women. donald trump is so willing to go after women, women like megyn kelly or rosie o'donnell or michelle fields. now to make a statement like that i think is rather shocking. >> mark, donald trump walked back his words and said he would punish the doctor, not the women, if this law is broken. is that unreasonable? >> well, what it is is a throwback to the 50s and 60s. when i was growing up as a youngster, my father was a prosecutor here in los angeles, and they used to prosecute the women and the doctor and usually what they did is they'd give a deal to the woman to testify against the doctor to convict the doctor and send the doctor to state prison. i thought we'd moved past that in 2016. it's really somewhat astonishing
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that people would say we want to criminalize. i think what even all the most right-wing republican who is anti-abortion is arguing that it should not be a federal law, it should be left to the states. the idea now of criminalizing this or going back to what we were doing 40 and 50 years ago is just astonishing to me. i don't understand it. >> here's something that mark and i agree on. >> listen, i want to talk about something that happened at a trump rally yesterday. a 15-year-old girl said she was groped by a man before she punched him. then she was pepper sprayed after the man allegedly put his hands on her breasts. the incident was caught on camera. let's watch. >> he touched my breast. he touched my breast. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> wow, mark, what do you make
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of this video? >> well, to me it seems like more is going on there than there was in the previous video with trump's campaign manager. >> who is at fault here? >> any individual who throws a punch is at fault. clearly trump said he would pay the legal fees of anyone who took an action like that. he's constantly using this violent rhetoric. it shouldn't be surprises his supporters are constantly engaging in acts of violence. >> mark, where does the blame lie? >> i think there's notion of
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a individual responsibility. i don't care if you get riled up. just because i go out and see "batman versus superman" doesn't mean it i go outside the theater and punch somebody that we're going to go arrest the producer or the director. i would not go that far. i think that's a stretch. i understand this argument that's being made about trump. the problem with that is you could make the same argument about democrats going back to 1968 and the convention there. so, you know, it's a very difficult situation when you want to reverse engineer the liability and place it on somebody else for words. we do have a first amendment. >> i used to watch "super friends" every weekend and try to fly afterwards and it never worked. >> yeah, but weir we're not talking about liability. we're talking about the words from our leaders and i think the words matter. >> lisa bloom and mark geragos, i appreciate it. when we come back, the conservative a war on donald trump. why glen beck says the candidate is winging the entire campaign.
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