needs to have. what is the purpose going forward for nato? >> thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. aloha. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. breaking news. president obama slamming donald trump's call for nukes, charging that the gop frontrunner doesn't know much about nuclear policy or the world. plus, ted cruz beating donald trump by double digits in some polls. we'll do the math. hillary clinton accusing bernie sanders' campaign of lying. bernie sanders demanding an apology tonight. let's go "outfront." >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the breaking news. president obama slamming donald trump's call for japan and south

korea to get nuclear weapons. the president speaking moments ago to world leade ee eers at a nuclear security summit. >> the person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the korean peninsula or the world generally. people pay attention to american elections. what we do is really important to the rest of the world. and even in those countries that are used to a carnival atmosphere in their own politics want sobriety and clarity when it comes to u.s. elections because they understand the president of the united states needs to know what's going on around the world and has to put in place the kinds of policies

that lead not only to our security and prosperity, but will have an impact on everybody else's security and prosperity. >> earlier at that summit, the president issued a dire warning saying mad men could kill hundreds of thousands of people using nuclear material no bigger than an apple, singling out isis as the most dangerous threat. one speaker charging that isis is the most sophisticated group and intelligent enough to get their hands on it. >> these are perhaps the strongest words yet from president obama against the republican frontrunner. >> this was bound to come up given trump's comments twice in the same week as the nuclear summit is getting under way as the president was going into a

trilateral meeting. the president didn't hold back. i thought it was interesting that he didn't mention trump by name as he sometimes does, kind of trying to stay out of the fray, but he doesn't necessarily hold back on what he's saying. everybody knows exactly who he's talking about. as for the strength of this slam, keep in mind back at the southeast asian nations meeting in february, the president said this isn't about entertainment. this isn't about a reality show or pandering. this was serious. back then, he said the president has the nuclear codes. almost a strange foreshadowing of donald trump's later comments. at that point, he said he doesn't think donald trump will be president. he says he has faith in the american people that that won't happen. he didn't say quite as much tonight, but it was no less serious. the white house has gone from almost joking at times or

ridiculing some of the things not just donald trump, but other republicans have said. at one point the press secretary made fun of donald trump's hair in a long string of other slams, but here the president is talking about foreign policy, nuclear issues. it's taken a much more serious tone. you heard him say that he doesn't think donald trump -- without mentioning him by name -- knows much about the world generally, erin. >> thank you very much. i want to go to our chief national correspondent, john king, former cia operative bob baier, and trump supporter jeff lord. in terms of saying it without any laugh in his voice, this is certainly the most sober and serious hit we have seen the president take against donald trump. with that direct quote, he sure doesn't know much about the world. >> and erin, the president follows the political news very closely, so he understands this

a week in where donald trump's viability, whether it is about his abortion flip-flop or his campaign manager being charged with assault or his comments about nuclear weapons, president obama understands the moment. the serious tone is a deliberate attempt by the president who in the past has sometimes made jokes about donald trump to essentially say as the current commander and chief i frankly don't think this guy is anywhere near up to the job. how does president obama's comments processed by a republican primary electorate? donald trump in a odd way could try to benefit from this in the short term. >> could try to benefit from this in the short term. the president continued to say even countries used to a carnival-like atmosphere want sobriety in the united states. >> i have to say, erin, the current commander and chief, who has brought disaster in iraq and

benghazi and libya, the russian reset was a total failure, which is somebody who got elected to office with almost zero foreign policy experience. donald trump does have a global business that extends all over the world. he's dealt with foreign leaders. he's been to just about every country out there of some concern. i just think this is ridiculous on its face. frankly, john king is right. in a republican primary base, this is going to help donald trump. >> john avalon? >> well, i wouldn't hold out too much hope it is going to help in wisconsin there, jeffrey. the president had a political diss at donald trump, but beneath that is the more serious point that world leaders are beginning to look at the possibility of donald trump even as a nominee as a sign of

destabilization in the united states. this is a question about rank ignorance. when president obama raised the important that the current nuclear structure in asia is rooted in negotiations that occurred after world war ii, that american soldiers fought and died for the security to be established, you can't simply wave that away. president obama worked on nonproliferation issues. >> john king, what started this in terms of the specifics of nuclear policy is what donald trump said to anderson cooper in on our town hall. let me play this one more time. >> it's been u.s. policy for decades to prevent japan from getting nuclear weapons. south korea as well. >> maybe it's going to have be done to change. pakistan has it. china has it. we're better off from japan

protects itself against this maniac in north korea. we're better off in south korea is going to start to protect itself. >> john king, there was an article in foreign affairs a few years ago, a very serious scholar arguing why iran should have a nuclear bomb. there are those who say that. they're in the great minority, but will this resonate at all for donald trump? >> his republican rivals both ted cruz and john kasich this week have listed his comments on the nuclear issue you just played right there among a list of other things saying they don't think he is qualified to be commander and chief either. it is not just coming from democrats. th that adds both politics and

policy to the obama moment. donald trump has every right as a candidate -- and good for him that he ispecific about what he thinks. a lot of candidates don't give you clear answers. at the same time, donald trump, if you look at all of his foreign policies that he's laid out, he wants to change just about everything. that's a lot to ask voters to process, especially when some of these things like this nuclear policy, it's throwing rules that have existed for half a century out the window. >> you know what else came up today was of course how the president of the united states is saying again and again and again that he's concerned about terrorists and in particular isis getting nuclear material. he got pretty specific about the damage they could do with a nuclear weapon, a dirty bomb of sorts, which is pretty frightening. here is part of what he said during the conference today. >> the threat of nuclear terrorism exists and continues to evolve. al qaeda has long sought nuclear materials. individuals involved in the attacks in paris and brussels

videotaped a senior management who works at a belgian nuclear facility. there is no doubt if these mad men ever got their hands on a nuclear bomb or nuclear material they most certainly would use it to kill as many innocent people as possible. >> the president went on this specifically saying mad men could kill hundreds of thousands of people with nuclear material no bigger than an apple. how real is the risk if he is speaking to specifically? >> erin, i think this president has down played the terrorism threat for the last seven and a half years. so when he comes out and says this, he is basing it on good intelligence and not just brussels. i talked to the people who mapped this out, the threat to this country for instance or a european capital. they're worried about a dirty bomb, caesium, and finding a way

to disperse it. it could be dispersed with a car bomb and a drone. if you flew a drone over new york city and spread it over the top of that place, you would close it down. you would have to scrape the buildings and the road and all the dirt off. it would be a total catastrophe. for the president to say this isn't just a hollywood threat, i take it very seriously. >> which is a pretty significant thing to say. the president obama was very specific and he said it multiple times today. this is something he has been loathe to say so specifically before, but today that changed. >> it certainly did. that's a wake-up call. sometimes the office changes the mad men and the mad men changes the office. president obama in terms of messaging has been very focused on we must not let terrorists having us live in fear, this kind of specific warning based on credible intelligence, that's a wake-up call for everyone.

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tuesday's crucial primary. donald trump tripling down to pull out some sort of win. polls show he is trailing ted cruz by ten points in the state. john king is back with me. you've been looking at the map. so john, the first question is how would a loss in wisconsin effect trump's effort to get that magic number which is now the household number, 1,237 delegates. >> it is a household number. let's look at the map. donald trump at 739. ted cruz a distant second at 460. the polls show him down ten points. he has three events there tomorrow. maybe trump can turn the tide and take all the delegates in wisconsin. you have to win statewide and then all the congressional districts. the stop trump movement will be simply almost out of gas. let's assume the polls are correct and ted cruz wins in wisconsin and not only wins, but if the ten-point margin is correct, ted cruz would win them all or most of them.

it would do something like this where cruz would come up closer and trump would be stuck at 739. wouldn't stop donald trump's momentum completely, but after the last time when ted cruz split it would give him a stand alone win and the anti-trump forces a lot of confidence heading into what trump believes is his fire wall, new york. >> new york, he thinks it is his firewall. is he right? if you assume that loss in wisconsin and one where ted cruz gets all the delegates, how important does new york become? >> critical or has donald trump would say, erin, huge. on one hand, there's a poll that shows donald trump at 51% in new york. that's 95 delegates. the pain of wisconsin goes away if he can get all 95. then donald trump is out here somewhere around 834 delegates. even if he gets shut out in wisconsin, if he wins them all in new york, erin, he needs about 53% of the remaining

delegates to the get to the magic number of 1237. not easy, but not impossible. what if ted cruz wins wisconsin and wins big and because of that donald trump falls below 50 in new york? we'll give john kasich second and ted cruz third. if donald trump gets 40-something, he's still in the lead, but at that point, erin, if he loses and he gets shut out in wisconsin and then splits the delegates from new york, he needs 60% of the remaining delegates. most people inside the trump campaign would tell you that math is not impossible. if donald trump gets shut out here and splits in new york, get ready for an open convention. outfront now, henry barber, he is a member of the rnc committee, and jeffrey lord, a

donald trump supporter. donald trump just gave an interview to john dickerson from cbs that's going to air this weekend. they have released a clip on abortion. we don't have it yet? okay. when i get it, we'll show it. you say you're not a never trump guy. you've not been happy with a lot of things he's done, but you're not a never trump person. you're going to be rational and listen to what he does from here on out. could you get behind trump at this point? >> well, i hope that i can. i hope if he were to become the nominee, he would win me over and win over a lot of voters, but he's got to change the way he's talking to people. he's got to be more inviting and inspiring to voters and stop turning people off and stop mocking people and attacking people. i've seen signs of that in the past, but i haven't seen many signs of that lately.

>> what do you say to that jeff? when someone like henry, who is not a never trump person, he would want to get on board, but he talks about him mocking people and turning people off. >> he's built a global business here. he's got good judgment, good temperament, but he's in a fight. when you're in these political fights, candidates say things. i certainly remember 1980 and george h.w. bush and voodoo economics and the talk that ronald reagan was too extreme to be elected president. these things get said in primaries and time moves on. i can give you a little heads up that i just came from the pennsylvania leadership conference here in suburban harrisburg and senator cruz just left, so the campaign is ongoing here in pennsylvania as we

speak. there were trump people there, trump delegates there, people that support senator cruz. >> hjeff, i understand you're saying this happens before, but look at the last two times when you asked republican voters if they would unite behind their eventual nominee. 64% said they would unite behind john mccain. only 38% say the party would unite behind donald trump. that's pretty damning. it would indicate he doesn't have a lot of room for all that talk you're talking right now. >> i think he'll get there. i for one will be supporting the republican nominee, period. again, this is what these fights are always like. i've never seen them any other way but this way. certainly this means donald trump has to apply his unification skills, if you will, but i certainly think he's capable of that absolutely. >> henry, in louisiana -- you

know the south incredibly well and the rules incredibly well for the rnc. donald trump slammed the rnc and said, look, i won the state. ted cruz is picking up marco rubio's tedelegatedelegates. it's unfair. does he have a point? >> i don't think so. i think the delegate selection process what we're just getting into is going to be really decided on organizational skills and turnout of people. and what happened with rubio voters, look rubio voters are going to decide individually where they're going to go if they're free to choose. that's an opportunity donald trump has to appeal to rubio voters or a bush delegate or a fiorina delegate. he has to do that, but his performance over the last few days is hurting him doing that. i think jeff is right in the sense that, look, primaries are

tough. people get sideways, and they usually heal when they come back together, but donald trump has got to start that now. if he's going to win the nomination, he's got to turn this around today, not tomorrow. >> to that point, he just gave that interview with john dickerson over at cbs. i now have a clip, a back and forth about abortion. here's one clip of him on this issue. here he is. >> the laws are set now on abortion and that's the way they're going to remain until they're changed. >> now, what do you say to that, henry, when you hear that? he's not saying he doesn't want to change them, but it doesn't sound like the standard red meat answer from a republican, which is, oh, and i'm going to change them. >> well, he's scrambling. he clearly got in a conversation the other day on abortion where he wasn't comfortable with the questions and wasn't quite sure

of his answers. i think now he's trying to get back to some middle ground on that. he certainly needs to move on beyond abortion and get back to talking about jobs and foreign policy if he wants to pull people together and unite people, get to the issues that unite, not divide. >> jeff, i'll give you the final word on that. how would you rate that answer on abortion there? >> i think his answer was fine. last year there was a clip of senator ted cruz answering the same question donald trump was asked by chris matthews and he dodged it. senator cruz is a good politician. he knows what to do. donald trump is learning not to wade into this kind of thing. i think he should stick with jobs and the economy. >> thank you both very much. next, hillary clinton charging bernie sanders with repeatedly lying about her

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new tonight, bernie sanders demanding an apology from hillary clinton. moments ago the vermont senator accusing clinton of crossing the line by saying his campaign, is quote, lying about her accepting money from the fossil fuel industry. this is coming as the two campaigns are getting angrier and angrier at each other. jason carol is outfront. >> reporter: tonight, a growing intensity in the democratic primary fight as hillary clinton tries to shed rival bernie sanders. >> i just go crazy when i hear senator sanders and the tea party republicans railing against the export import bank. >> reporter: clinton holds a significant lead in the delegate count, but sanders is vowing to carry on to the july convention. >> if we win here in new york,

we are going to make it to the white house. >> reporter: sanders is challenging clinton in her adopted home state of new york, rallying more than 18,000 supporters in the bronx thursday night. here in wisconsin polls show him with a narrow lead over clinton ahead of tuesday's primary. sanders insist there's still a path for him to win the nomination. >> if you get 60, 70, 80% of the vote in a state, i think superdelegates should vote for us. >> reporter: his campaign saying it raised $44 million in march, eclipsing its $43 million hall in february. with clinton being confronted by a climate activist after a new york event thursday night.

sanders rejecting the charge that his campaign is lying about clinton's donations, saying she received money from lobbyists who represent the fuel industry. tonight at a rally in wisconsin he called on clinton to apologize. >> secretary clinton, you owe our campaign an apology. we were telling the truth. >> reporter: the democratic rivals also trading jabs over abortion. clinton is accusing sanders of not denouncing donald trump forcefully enough for his comments that women who have abortions should be punished if the procedure were to become illegal. >> then he said they were a distraction from and i quote, a serious discussion about the serious issues facing america. >> reporter: sanders is charging clinton with misrepresenting his record. >> what secretary clinton is take things out of context.

i am 100% pro-choice. >> reporter: a bit of an update on the clinton donation issue. clinton's director of communication tonight saying the sanders' camp should not expect an apology anytime soon. sanders took on not only clinton tonight, but also took on donald trump f trump. we heard him call donald trump a quote, nut case, saying he is the best one to take him in on a general election. erin? >> thank you. outfront now, david brock, founder of crack the record, a pro-hillary clinton super pac, and jonathan tasini. clinton has received more than $300,000 in donations from people in the fossil fuels industry directly to her campaign. you heard bernie sanders.

she owes him an apology for calling him a liar. should she apologize? she did get donations. >> the reality is senator sanders has got donations from the same industry, so there's no issue. it's a non-issue. what happened here is what's behind it, the smear or the innuendo, that secretary clinton has taken action. >> she did get the donations. >> she didn't get the donations from corporations or the pacs. that's what's wrong. the media has looked at this all day long and they're finding the sanders' claim is not true. >> if lobbyists and ceos are giving you money if it is shortchanged for an industry, business is frequently done that way. >> this is just people in this industry. it could be the janitor giving

the money. >> $300,000? >> no, not the $300,000. that's a total. >> let's just be honest. it's not fair to say. >> a lot did, but a lot didn't. she's gotten millions of donations. >> jonathan, i hear you laughing, but to the point david just made you guys aren't clear either. why is sanders making an issue out of it? >> i'm laughing because actually if you go and look at what you tried to say, which is all the lobbyists that are bundling money for the clinton campaign and the money flowing to priorities usa, the super pac, millions of dollars, one out of every $15 that that super pac that supports clinton has collected comes from oil, gas, and coal interests. there's no question that the clinton campaign is awash in that kind of money. it is a pattern.

>> bernie sanders has gotten more than $54,000 though from oil and gas. i was saying bernie sanders has gotten $54,000 from people who work in the fossil fuels industry. now, she's gotten more. he is getting money himself. >> but the big difference is what i said before. those are not big lobbyists who are bundling money and also shoveling money to a super pac which bernie doesn't have, but a super pac that's raising huge amounts of money. it's a pattern. it's the same thing. it's the reason hillary clinton has refused to release the transcripts from her speeches to goldman sachs. because it is a pattern. it is the same reason that she supported corporate trade agreements. she is a moderate corporate supporting person who is been awash in this corporate money her whole entire political

career. she does not want to answer those questions. >> even if you count the super pac dollars john is talking about, this is less than 2% of the clinton fundraising. i think the idea of buying anybody's favor -- >> it would be more than $3 million. that's a lot of money. >> it is not insignificant, but i think the idea they're buying favor is nuts. two, let's talk about lobbyists. i've been up in martha's vineyard at their fancy annual retreat where senator sanders is up there helping the democratic senate campaign committee raise money. i would never try to besmirch his integrity for being there unless i had evidence of him buying favor. that's what the sanders campaign is doing here and that is wrong. >> bernie sanders has made this a big part of his campaign, calling her out for taking this money. in return they get influence mostly from wall street.

let me play a little bit of how he said it. >> what this campaign is about is telling wall street and the billionaire class they cannot, they will not, have it all. i do not receive many millions of dollars from wall street or the pharmaceutical industry or other powerful wealthy interests in this country. >> okay. jonathan, here's a number. bernie sanders has gotten $350,000 from people who work in the financial services industry. that's more than hillary clinton has gotten from people who work in oil and gas. >> erin, i think you're mixing with apples and oranges with all due respect. if you want to stick to wall street, there are count-ins and people who are clerks who support bernie sanders. they're listed coming from wall street. that's very, very different from

hillary clinton being paid 2 -- wait, wait. >> i took out accountants and the number was still -- >> whatever job they have, you have to admit that's very different from someone being paid $225,000 for one speech. she actually got -- i can't remember. i think it was a couple million total from banks in general to come and give these speeches. that buys access. that's not the same as the rankin file worker who happens to work in a wall street firm who donates to bernie sanders' campaign. it's very different. >> fair point, david brock? >> no. we're talking about the money, not the record. let's go back to wall street. what happened in 2007 and 2008. who flagged the mortgage crisis? who supported credit card reform? hillary clinton. senator sanders said nothing, did nothing. >> you're opening up a whole other argument. >> we could talk about the

implication here on -- on the fossil fuel thing is she has a bad record on climate. that's bogus. >> she came out against their pipeline. i have to pause here g, guys. outfront next, donald trump's views over the years. have they changed or not? people want to say he is winging this whole campaign. if he's winging it, he wouldn't have said the same thing 20 years ago. we're following the breaking news of donald trump clarifying his abortion comments. we'll be right back. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief.

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the donald trump we see on the campaign trail sounds a lot like this donald trump. >> it got tremendous publicity. it's one of my speeches by the way. i got tremendous publicity. >> no matter where i go we're having tremendous crowds and

publicity. >> the guy is consistent. >> i doubt i'll ever be involved in politics beyond what i do now. i won't be running for president. >> reporter: what a difference 28 years makes. >> ladies and gentlemen, i am officially running for president of the united states, and we are going to make our country great again. >> reporter: his presidential prediction aside, donald trump then and now often consistent. we already know everyone loves him. >> the people that really like me are the taxi drivers and the workers, et cetera. >> china loves me. they all love me. everybody. >> reporter: on trade, he's barely skipped a protectionist beat. >> we let japan come in and dump everything into our markets. if you go to japan and try to

sell something, forget about it, oprah. forget it. it's impossible. >> we have trade deficits with china and mexico. it's going to end, folks. you can't do that. >> reporter: when it comes to his self-professed acumen as a negotiator, that remains nonnegotiable. >> i know leaders of other countries and they can't believe how easy to do with the united states. we are a bunch of saps. >> we use political hacks. >> we have an imbalance with china of 400, almost $400 billion a year. now, if i can straighten out that one deal, our country is in great shape. >> reporter: his stand on abortion has changed. this week the sensitive political issue vexing the businessman turned politician not known for subtly or sensitivity. >> i'm very pro-choice. i hate the concept of abortion. i hate it.

i hate everything it stands for. i cringe when i hear people debating the subject, but still i believe in choice. >> i am pro-life. i had an experience with a friend of mine who was frankly -- they were going to abort their child, which they ended up having and their child is this magnificent person. it had an impact. >> reporter: trump says he misspoke when he took the position that if abortion were made illegal, women who get them should be punished. trump criticized for those words has since backtracked. rarely have the don's words come so quickly back to haunt him. he has certainly had a pretty tough week, but what is amazing going through the decades of what he has said is his stance on trade and trade deals. that has always been the same. and to see him talking about it now, he has been incredibly consistent on all those issues. the voters and the politics and the economics have finally

caught up with donald trump it seems. >> it's true. i was talking to someone the other day. i've known him for over ten years in various situations. it's been like a broken record for the ten years i've known him. now he has to get through the much more difficult thing. on that front, let's bring in our national political reporter. trump just clarified his abortion comments again. this one is very different from trade, and it is very hard for him to get this right it appears. let me play a more extended part of what he just had to say. >> and i just want to say a question was asked to me, and it was asked in a very hypothetical and it was said illegal, illegal. i've been told by some people that was an older line answer and that was an answer that was given on the basis of an older line from years ago on a very

conservative basis. >> your original answer, you mean? >> my original. but i was asked as a hypothetical, hypothetically. the laws are set now on abortion, and that's the way they're going to remain until they're changed. >> this issue continues to give him trouble. it goes to the heart and soul of the right wing of the republican party. what do you make of this clarification late tonight? >> well, i frankly thought it was really hard to even understand the clarification. i mean, that exchange with chris matthews was pretty straightforward when he gave his initial answer this week. then he did the 180. it shows just how he is sort of continuing to work through positions on such issues of abortion through realtime. this one is such a troubling one for him because not only did he anger the conservatives in his party, but he also potentially

alienated many women and moderate voters who he would need to win over for the general election. republicans are looking at him in this moment and saying, wait a second, is this guy the strongest guy to be our nominee. >> miguel talking about the business issues, foreign policy issues, consistent there. but this issue on abortion comes up again and again, doesn't it? >> well, it just seems to have been an issue that has dogged him for so many years. when getting the clip from that interview earlier, i was remembering in this "playboy" interview in 1990 that he was asked for his stance on abortion. the reporter says he frowned, pouted, and asked me to turn the recorder off. he didn't really have an opinion. what the hell was mine? it was a very human moment. that was that reporter's it just shows you how he has evolved on this issue but just

continues to struggle with it and has for more than two decades. >> i suppose in that way, continues to struggle is much like many of the american people but not what people expect in the gop primary. thank you. next, the race for the white house. nasty, personal, a fight over a rival's wife. a duel, death? no, we're not talking about 2016. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in buffalo, where the largest solar gigafactory in the western hemisphere will soon energize the world. and in syracuse, where imagination is in production. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov

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a presidential candidate critics call crude, barbaric and a danger to the republic. not donald trump. andrew jackson. jackson and john quincy adams in 1828. take a look. >> andrew jackson was a man with a ferocious temper who was willing to challenge people to duels and fight duel s in order to win. >> 20 years before, a local horse breeder had made a fatal mistake of insulting jackson's

wife. the fatal mistake. the message was clear. insult rachel jackson and andrew jackson will shoot you dead. >> "outfront" tonight, the host of npr's morning edition. the author of "jackson land." that is incredible right there. a moment in history that very few people probably are aware of. andrew jackson killed a guy because he insulted his wife. donald trump, of course, now in this fight with ted cruz over their wives. sure makes that look tame, doesn't it? >> it sure does. donald trump's tweets seem tame compared to challenging someone to a duel and actually fighting it. he himself was shot and carried that bullet years later into the white house. >> it just is unbelievable. people say we've never seen anything like it. oh, yes we have, on steroids. what made you decide to pick jackson for the book? >> i got a little bit sad about

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he would have done something and jackson did dramatic things, like expelling indians from the eastern united states. a prime mover in that many decade long policy. this was a guy who acted as much as he -- acts as much as he spoke and that's a bit of a difference between the two of them. but their resumes were very different and the country was very, very different. demgraphically among other ways. >> thank you very much. >> glad to be here. "race for the white house." surely a salacious version. sunday night at 9:00. duels and death. we'll be right back.

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thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news. donald trump has spoken out again on abortion. if the republican party already had heartburn over him being the standard bearer and spokesman in november, then this could make it a bleeding ulcer. there's that story and going into a crucial primary in wisconsin on tuesday, there's this. a true dilemma for some in the party. fear he'll secure enough delegates to become the nominee and fear he'll fall just short and become as "the new york times" headline put it a zombie candidate damaged but unstoppable. dana bash is covering all the