in the race was trying to out-new york the other candidate. a stop outside a subway station, a swung through the italian deli in the north. questions about qualifications, about new york values, and about the shape of donald trump's campaign team. >> 2016 presidential hopefuls hitting the streets of the big apple, courting voters ahead of new york's primary. ted cruz in brooklyn making matza. >> are you qualified to be president of the united states when you're raising millions of dollars from wall street, whose greed, illegal behavior helped destroy our economy. >> i'm not going to get beaten

up. i'm not going to get lied about. we will fight back. >> clinton trying to take the high road in a stop in front of yankee stadium. >> both ratcheting up with ted cruz continuing to defend his new york values comments, slamming new york's politicians. and donald trump. >> our friends in the media tell us that donald trump is unstoppable in new york state. and they really want to see a general election between two new york liberals who agree on washington being the center of the universe. >> john kasich looking to capitalize on the backlash. touring a deli in the bronx. >> look at the cheese on top of this. mama mia.

>> new yorkers aren't stupid, ted. >> donald trump seizing on his home court advantage. >> this is home. it's great to be home. >> backing out of scheduled stops in california and colorado. take closed door meetings with his staff. >> and, guys, all eyes on paul manifort, the well-respected operative, the newly minted convention manager for the trump campaign. this role is important for two reasons. one, it is the first expansion of trump's inner circle we have seen. new responsibilities going to a new figure on the team. more importantly, the roll from here on out is about delegates and delegate wrangling. just last night ted cruz picking up another three delegates at a convention in colorado. it doesn't seem like a lot. but as we get to cleveland, those could be the most important going forward. if you look at colorado, he

didn't even have a state director there early this week. a lot of work for the campaign. >> we will have an exclusive with paul so stick around for that. first, on the democratic side and what's going over there, campaign correspondent for the "new york times", maggie haberman, dana bash. >> weren't these two supposed to be the results in the race, in terms of bernie sanders and hillary clinton. no, he's not qualified. she's not qualified. >> yesterday is the ugliest day

we have seen. it has looked pretty nice by the republican side and also compared to 2008 with barack obama. bernie sanders says i am not going to get in the muck with her. his people say she started it. she leaned into the idea that he wasn't qualified without actually saying it. he then did say it, fired back very hard. yesterday you had bill clinton get tpre aggressive in response to protests about his time in office and raising questions about his wife. i think both sides by the end of yesterday saw the need to ratchet it back down. i don't think you will necessarily see a replay today. sit a reflection of two things. he is finding his path is increasingly harder. he feels he has a message and a

following. the massive small dollar donations has fueled him. >> you got the causation and the context. who started this? i think it is fairly clear that the sanders speech we are all using whoever does the quote marks around qualified is being done about what is said about him. he said i don't want to do this. i want to be about ideas. she returned almost in kind saying he's better than trump or ted cruz. i don't know how much praise that is on the democratic side. but this party, just as much as the gop is going through an existential crisis, who are we -- and i believe new york will show this in sharp focus. people are fighting for sanders in this state. there are a lot more than people thought they would be from an institutional perspective. i know it's in the weeds for some people. not for us, dana.

it will matter in a ground game in new york. what do you see here? >> no question it will matter in the ground game. that's the dynamic we have seen the past many several months. you're right. i think it is exploding here in new york for lots of reasons. but look, i think just to take a step back, this was supposed to be the party where you can really have the exchange of those ideas, the race, i should say. talk to go any democrat and when they look on the bright side of this intense battle they didn't expect, we are talking about the issues in a deep way. they are but okay. she is started it. no, he started it. that's what we have been saying on the on republican side. for that we can also just go out on the playground at recess and we will fine. >> playground politics, as i have been calling it. >> but you are absolutely right that as much as the republican side that they are trying to kind of work through who they

are, are they the party of internationally the interventionist party or more trying to spend more money at home and focus more inward. and the democratic side, it's very similar. and that is why bernie sanders's message is doing well. they are sick of people on the democratic base of politics as usual. of people in washington sort of thinking they can run things the way they want to and not really paying attention to the little guy, which historically is what the democratic party was supposed to be about. >> david, it sounds like pwerbe sanders and hillary clinton are ready to put this to bed. here were his thoughts last night. >> do you believe secretary clinton is unqualified to be president? >> well, does secretary clinton believe i am unqualified to be president? >> why can't you say yes. >> she is experienced.

she is extremely intelligent. >> why don't you say it? >> i have experience too. >> he is basically saying, yes, she is qualified. is that the end of that tone? >> i think there is an element where bernie sanders and his supporters, particularly in new york, are happy to have this fight as something of a distraction. it feels good psychologically to say to his supporters. here are the clintons dismissive. it plays into his base of support who do think hillary clinton and bill clinton are not in tune with the ways so many americans feel left behind by the political process. you have the black lives protester with bill clinton defending the crime bill of the early '90s. that was evidence of this. and bernie sanders is saying

don't try to dismiss me. i have a lot of money, i have a lot of support, i'm not going anywhere. you're not demonstrating an ability to grow your base of support if you're bernie sanders. so i think that's the difficulty. in any other year this might be a bigger deal. let's not forget what's going on on the republican side i think the prospect of a trump nomination or cruz nomination is going to do enough to bring the democrats together. there are fears this is a little bit overblown. >> we have a few seconds left. but bill clinton was a fiery exchange with black lives matter protesters. they were angry about his 1994 crime bill. they were angry about super predators which she apologized for. this came at a lighter moment. he got red faced and dressed

them down. how do you explain what we are seeing there? you know what, we have sound. let me play this for you and our viewers. here it is. >> i talked to a lot of african-american groups. they thought black lives matter. they said take this bill because our kids are being shot in the street by gangs. because of that bill, we have a 25-year low in crime, 23-year low in the murder rate. listen to this, because of that and the background check law, we had a 46-year low in the deaths of people by gun violence. and who do you think those lives were that matter? whose lives were saved that matter? >> vintage bill clinton there. >> in a couple of ways. you saw him getting angry at a protester and red faced, as you said. this is the kind of thing you saw the clinton people trying to avoid for most of the primary.

he was put off in places where he was not going to attract as much attention. he got very frustrated with bernie sanders. you saw him respond in kind. this i think was some of that. you saw the explaining stuff thing, as president obama has said about bill clinton where in this moment of intense anger in the political system and explaining is not what happens a lot, you saw him with the finger wagging and this is not what happened. he is never more defensive than when he thinks his wife is getting attacked and when he thinks his own record is getting attacked too. >> stick around. we have more on the republican side. next thursday night, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will square off. that's in brooklyn. 9:00 p.m. eastern. five days before the all important new york primary. we turn to breaking news out of the vatican. pope francis issuing a new document. i have it right here. it's a very big document.

three years in the making laying out the catholic church's view on love, marriage, and the modern family. will it lead to substantive changes on divorce or gay marriage? we are live in rome with all the breaking details. you got a chance to look through this massive document. what have you found? >> well, it's a classic francis document. what we have here is no major change in the church doctrine. but a change in the way that doctrine is put into practice. that's francis's key point in this 260 some page document saying throughout it that nonjudgment of complex family situations is the way to go. what he is doing is two-fold. people who are in divorce situations, family situations which the church calls irregu r

irregular, we are opening the doors to you. and to other priests and catholics, the emphasis needs to be on the welcome to these people. one of the questions going into this debate on the family was about divorced people. in particular, divorced and remarried catholics. in the catholic church if you are remarried after divorce, you cannot take communion or be a godparent, reading at mass and so on. he said divorced people who have not remarried and often bear witness to marital fidelity should find the encouragement to sustain them. you are welcome into the church. and then we will put it to the local level. the individual conscious of the priest. we're not going to have a

blanket norm coming from rome. that's one of the major points of this document, putting things back to the local level, allowing the priest and the people to make the decision based on their individual view. it's interesting. sort of emotional progress but not major change, not a major change in the doctrine as well. >> that is still a message of inclusion. that's what he is trying to do. make it a bigger tent. >> he is the peoples pope. >> this doesn't have the same power of what the pope could have put out. why? he wanted to do this as a group. syds. he wants it to be reflective of what they want. why? this is going to be about how you do it. this is not changing the faith.

the vatican is aware of the issues. they are dealing with the world. they are dealing with poverty most of the time. and people in miserable conditions. he said remember the faith is about mercy and love. how that gets translated, we will have to wait and see. back to politics, polls show donald trump leading in his home state of new york. but he still faces an uphill battle to clinch the nomination. he is making a few tweaks.

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. donald trump is looking for a landslide victory in his home state of new york and then some. he is looking for a complete change about in the play of this election. that's what he wants. but he's also trying to beef up his campaign staff to deal with what else is going on, namely, who is going to control the delegates. is he ready for it? let's bring back dane ya barb, david gregory and maggie

hagerman. what's the big concern about delegates, especially for trump. >> he doesn't have a path in place, if he falls short of the number of 1,237 on the first ballot, does he have a mechanism in place to do the kind of horse trading he needs to do in the course of the convention. he did this in 1976. he plays an important role in the run-up to a convention. and perhaps a larger role in trying to get the trump campaign to be more disciplined, to have better organization as a national organization which could be critical if he is the nominee in some of the down ballot races we will. all of these things that fly in the face of let trump be trump, fly by the seat of your pants. let him run everything, be his own adviser. that has gotten him in a lot of

ways. it has undermined them. >> he is bringing in old political hand. what is this signal? what do we know about him? >> sorry. >> how much time do we have in this segment? >> i'm laughing because of a profile my colleague and i did with him. he is a figure of intrigue for a long time. this mysterious person. he is well versed. he told my colleague ashley parker with people who have been involved in presidential races over the last 20 years. and that is, as david said, what the trump campaign has been lacking. what he is not coming in to do, as has been made clear to me is take of the campaign. it is still being run by corey lewandowski. this is going to be a real test

of whether trump wants to make major changes. we have heard this is going to be a pivot point. trump is good b to start getting more serious, more policy minded. then something happens and undoes that. we will see if he can keep walking this path. we have seen in the last were couple of weeks man fort has an uphit climb. sit late in the process. there are all of these state conventions where you see trump losing delegates. that is going to be a major, major challenge. >> that's one challenge. the other challenge is going to be if it does go to open convention and there is one, two, three ballots, it is keeping the delegates he already has. that's what ted cruz and their campaign, they are already working the trump delegates to say if there is a second ballot, come our way. to your point about trump, let trump be trump, the quote that has stuck with me from top aids is from the beginning of this campaign, he's a thoroughbred.

let's just get on and ride. that was really their philosophy of donald trump. and it had worked. but i think just the fact that in the last 24 hours he decided to shift strategy, not go ahead to california, which is what he had done in all of these other states, always leap frogged ahead, staying here, focusing on new york where he could also bleed into the other media markets which are around here. >> he is starting to listen a little bit. >> exactly. >> some would argue out of desperation. are they desperate? no. he is the front-runner. david, no question things are happening and people are talk to go him in ways that haven't happened from. rudy giuliani saying, yeah, he's going to get my vote. the question is can you separate this machine of how you keep delegates with the reason they may be vulnerable in the first

place, which is what comes out of his mouth. >> no, i don't think you can. that's a big piece of this look. ted cruz has very high negatives within the party. we talk about that week in and week out. he does have an ability to capture the anti-establishment sentiment right now that's coarsing through the republican side of the electorate. so he may not be well liked, but he is able to tap into that. he will ultimately make an argument whether he is electable. >> panel, thank you. great to get your insights. have a great weekend. >> all right. so who is this paul mamafort? he will join us for his first exclusive interview on behalf of the trump campaign in the 7:00 hour in minutes, ted cruz speaks to our dana bash in a one-on-one interview. stick around for that all right. an epic disaster is looming in

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there are serious concerns of the structural security of the mosul dam. if it would collapse it would threaten will lives. arwa? good morning, alisyn. everyone really is focusing on the mosul dam at this stage, whether or not it is is going to remain intact or if it is actually going to collapse. just adding to the many challenges this country already faces. >> it has been described by some as the most dangerous dam in the world. the mosul dam. the largest in iraq which produces hydroelect is built on a foundation of soft gypsum

rock, making erosion a constant challenge. we enter the underbelly of the dam to see how it is even still standing. completed in the mid 1980s, what keeps it all intact is a process that needs to happen daily. workers are drilling bore holes. this one will go down 150 meters, or around 500 feet. drilling that particular distance takes about a week. and the machines go up and down the length of the dam, breaking up and then repouring cement to try to ensure the stability of the dam's foundation. it's a process called grouting. when isis took over the dam in 2014, this was halting for 45 days. the u.s. recently issued a stark warning describing the potential

for collapse as "serious and unprecedented." a catastrophic event that would see mosul, iraq's second largest city and under isis control, entirely submerged with flooding as far downstream as baghdad. but the dam's manager insists that disaster is not imminent. >> translator: if the dam were to collapse when the water is 330 meters above seawater, yes, mosul would be flooded. but with current levels, there is minimal damage. >> he claims his team has determined it is not impacting the dam's foundation. still last year the u.s. installed an early warning system they monitor regularly. and there is an urge ept need for repairs. millions of iraqis are directly

reliant on the dam in one way or the other. but years of neglect are already being felt. couple that with security concerns that for years kept international companies from taking up the job. an italian company has been contracted to repair and refurbish the dam. but work is yet to begin. when iraq it is always the best to plan for the worst. >> concerning situation there. our thanks to arwa damon. one on one with ted cruz. the texas senator defending the new york values comment. hear what he is saying now and the bitter backlash next on "new day". honey, did you call the insurance company? not yet, i'm...

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senator, thank you so much for sitting down with me. >> it's great to be with you. >> i'm sure you have seen this. i'm glad you're laughing. new york daily news gave you a warm welcome and gave you helpful hints to take the f train and the u train. in all seriousness, when you saw this, what did you make of this? >> i laughed out loud. i have never been popular with left wing journalists or tabloids. that's not my target audience. the energy is and support we're saying, i came to brooklyn and spoke with the russian/jewish community and the energy and enthusiasm we had here today was tremendous. >> the origin of this, again, i'm glad you're having fun with it because it is a new york tabloid, it is that you, several

months ago, disparaged new york value. in upstate, they got what you are saying. as you are talking about liberals in new york city. >> sure? and conservatives in upstate new york are quite different. but you understand how a sound bite is played and how your opponent is using it against you. >> anyone in new york and outside of new york knows exactly what i meant by that. it is the liberal values of democratic politicians hammering new york for decade. they have suffered under the liberal values. >> no question you have done well in wisconsin and you should be commended for that victory. >> thank you. >> do you concede your only realistic way to get the nomination is at the convention. not the only mathematical way.

>> not realistically. we've got to win. we've got to win consistently. i'll point out, in the last three weeks we have won in four states in a row. we won a landslide in utah. nearly 70% of the vote. we got all the delegates. >> now you are in third place, behind even john kasich. 88% of the remaining delegates to win? >> let's see what the voters say. i think the people of new york, particularly upstate new york, have in common with the people in wisconsin. very, very similar. what i hope we will see in new york is that republicans will unite. >> one of the things that could help you is if you had more support from your own republican senate colleagues. you have two endorsements. given how much momentum you say you have out of wisconsin, how

they dislike donald trump -- >> dana, you cover capitol hill. >> opinion leaders at the convention. >> what i can tell you is the energy and support we're receiving from the grassroots is overwhelming. and my focus is on beating hillary clinton. poll after poll after poll shows donald losing badly to hillary. and poll after poll after poll shows me beating hillary. >> one of the minutes that my colleague manu raju has heard from several republican senators is they would think about backing you and telling all of their grassroots activists to back you if you would apologize for saying your republican leader mitch mcconnell is a liar. >> this is why people are so frustrated with washington. it's the inside battles back and forth. this isn't a game. this isn't about washington power brokers. this isn't a smoke-filled room.

if we want to turn the country around -- let me tell you who should apologize. barack obama and hillary clinton should apologize to the american people for seven years of economic stagnation, for people seeing jobs going overseas, for wages stuck. they should apologize to all the single moms being forced into part-time work. no apology to mitch mcconnell? >> my focus is on washington. that ain't going to happen. they can hold their breath for a long, long time. my focus is on the american people and uniting republicans behind shared values and a shared vision. now, i will tell you this, i am happy to praise mitch mcconnell for his stand, along with chuck grassley, saying we are not going to hold hearings for a

replacement for antonin scalia. >> well done. >> well, several things were telling. the fact that even though he is in this position where he's trying very hard to say -- and he does, that he has a much wider support than he ever has, this is mr. outsider, he is still not getting over the last hump of getting his own colleagues, the people who know him, best. lots of reasons for it. it is because of what he said in large part about the republican leader. and he simply will not apologize because he doesn't want to anger the people who like the fact that he is anti-establish werement. >> catch me if you can kind of situation. dana, thank you so much. top of the hour we will talk with donald trump's new convention manager, paul mamafort. the 2016 masters is beginning to look a lot like the 2015 masters.

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happy friday. >> it is round three between bernie sanders and the ceo of germ electric. he slammed ge for taking jobs oversea stpwhrs ge has been in business 124 years. we have never been a big hit with socialists. we create jobs, not just calling for them in speeches. >> if the ceo of general electric wants to know how his company is destroying the fabric of america, he should take a good look in the mirror. they said they would invite bernie sanders to visit a plant with high-paying jobs in vermont. they say he has never been there. >> american golfer jordan spieth looking very strong in his bid for back-to-back masters titles. remember how rare that is. you don't robe? andy scholes is in augusta, georgia, home of the masters tournament. i thought your headline is going

to be what happens with ernie els. but jordan spieth is the man in the positive way. i guess you've got to go with that. chris, we will get to ernie in just one second. he was so dominant yesterday. he's trying to do something no golfer has ever done. wire-to-wire at consecutive to masters. spieth dominating yesterday in round 1, shooting a 6 under to grab the lead. now, he's now had the lead for the last five rounds here in augusta. spieth looking to become just the fourth golfer to defend his masters title. tiger woods, nick faldo are the others. he tees off at 12:55 eastern. spieth had a great first day. like you said, ernie els did not. he had a par put on the first hole. he missed that. then he went on to miss not one, two, three, but five putts.

ended up with a nine on the first hole, which was a course record. now, in the nba last night, warriors beat the spurs for their 70th win of the season. 70-9. three wins away from breaking the 95-96 bulls all time record that they set is back, like i had, 95-96. got to win the last three games of the season. >> i knew that. thanks so much, andy, for all of that. the battle for new york intensifying between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. both of course have deep ties in the state. is the battle causing cracks within the democratic party? new york city mayor bill de blasio with his take next.

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sanders spent the better part of the week sparring over qualifications or lack thereof of being president. and here to discuss all of it is new york city mayor bill de blasio. thanks so much for coming in. >> you're welcome. >> let's talk about the tone of the race which devolved into a childish game of tit for tat. >> you look at the big picture, the democrats comported themselves with a lot of decency and respect. even after the change, hillary clinton said she would sure rather have bernie sanders than ted cruz or donald trump. i think that's been the overall tone. this has been respectful. democrats are clear. we will unify one way or the other because we are confirmed

with people like trump and cruz. >> bernie sanders, by the way, backed off his notion wasn't qualified to be president as well. however, during the course of this week, thief both seemed to go for the jugular in a way we haven't seen before. she said he should bear responsibility for the sandy hook because of his policies. and he said she should bear the responsibility for the iraq war. >> what happened in sandy hook is a tragedy beyond comprehension. secretary clinton might want to apologize to the families who lost their loved ones in iraq. or secretary clinton might want to apologize to the millions of workers in this country who lost their jobs because of the disastrous trade agreements that she supported. >> so, are these below the belt

attacks or important points of discussion, sandy hook and trade deals? >> everything is fair game in talking about the record. they want to know where are we going. we are dealing with a crisis. we don't have the economic opportunity people need to this day. people are not secure that the next generation will do as well as they have done. they have been speaking to the issues where they have been negative towards each other and towards the people who make up this country. i would argue why hillary clinton wins. beyond the extraordinary experience she brings. she has the most solid platform for taxing the rich, raising wages and benefits, the basic things we need to do. it is absolutely clear she knows how to get things done. people are much more interested in where are we going? >> was this a one off this week? >> i think it was exceptional.

>> you do? >> yes. first of all, the "washington post" headline was absolutely inaccurate and unfair. >> you're talking about the one bernie sanders thought he was saying was unqualified. >> it was not helpful and in quart. if you look at the whole trajectory, it has been respectful. there has been a lot of agreement. and in the final analysis, i believe democrats will unify around hillary clinton. >> last night bill clinton was asked by black lives matter protesters -- he was heckled. they brought up again hillary clinton's use of the term super predator. here's his response on the trail. >> i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders

who have 13-year-old kids hooked up on crack and send them on the street to murder african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. you are defending the people who kill the lives who you say matter. tell the truth. >> he was upset, as you can hear in that moment. has hillary clinton gone far enough in apologizing for those super predator comments? >> she has. she has been very clear. the first major speech she gave in the campaign was a powerful call for change in terms of criminal justice, in terms of ending mass incarceration. i think she has had an unusually clear powerful voice among any american political leader, certainly in this last year as black lives matter emerged. hillary offered a very clear vision -- >> why are they still heckling bill clinton? why still bring it up at rallies? why aren't the protesters

hearing her? >> look, get inside the head of a particular issue they are trying to promote. that one i believe they were talking about the super predators comment. >> look, i think she has been very clear about saying that does not reflect her values and that she has a vision for fundamental reform when it comes to criminal justice and mass incarceration. it is very worthy. the big question, the question that everyday people care about, where are we going? what are you doing for us. hillary understands that mass incarceration has to end in this country. >> riding the new york subway. why do they keep doing this? we know they are not of the people. look at hillary clinton on the

subway yesterday. she doesn't ride the subway. >> when she was our senator, she did ride it all the time you have to ride the subway. that's where the people are. >> a united nations. you want to meet thousands of people? get on the subway. >> mayor, thank you for coming into "new day". a big announcement pope francis. let's get right to it. >> the american people might wonder about your qualifications. >> let's keep our eye on what's at stake. >> when a politician's lips are moving, we know they're lying. >> this is a dirty business, politics. >> we are in crisis and help is on the way. >> pope francis on love, marriage, and the modern family.

>> you are welcome into the church. we are opening the doors to you. >> they are worried about protecting people's lives. people of faith have rights. >> do we follow the law or the code of ethics? >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, al lynn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day". democrats sounding like republicans, engaging in mudslinging this week. the fight over who is qualified or less qualified be president. is the negative tone of the campaign going to stick around? >> on the other side, donald trump beefing up his team, hiring a new convention manager. we will speak with him exclusively in a moment. ted cruz standing by his controversial new york values comments. in fact, you can see he is going

deeper. and pope francis just issued a historic document on marriage and family. let's begin with the 2016 race. good morning, phil. >> good morning, chris. 95 delegates at stake in new york. it looks like, at least according to yesterday, every candidate is about to out-new york each other. the tension underlying both racesis not going anywhere. 2016 presidential hopefuls hitting the streets of the big apple, courting voters ahead of new york's primary. ted cruz in brooklyn making matzo. secretary clinton on the subway and depending off bernie sanders's attacks. >> are you qualified to be president of the united states

when you're raising millions of dollars from wall street, an entity whose greed, recklessly and illegal behavior helped to destroy our economy? >> sanders refusing to back down thursday. >> i'm not going to get beaten up. i'm not going to get lied about. we will fight back. >> clinton taking the high road with a stop in front of yankee stadium. >> i don't know why he is saying that. i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. >> tensions ratcheting up, with ted cruz defending his new york values comments, slamming new york's politicians. and donald trump. >> our friends in the media tell us donald trump is unstoppable in new york state. and they really want to see a general election between two new york liberals who agree on washington being the center of the universe >> john kassig looking to capitalize on the backlash, touring a deli in the bronx. >> how about a little cheese on

the top of this? mama mia. >> both his campaign and super pac launching full-scale attack ads aimed at cruz. >> ted cruz sneered at our new york values. >> new yorkers aren't stupid, ted. >> donald trump seizing on his home court advantage. >> this is home. it's great to be home. >> backing out of scheduled stops in california and colorado to take closed door meetings with his staff. >> guys, all eyes on the trump campaign. most notably how their staffing adds up. paul manafort, the new convention manager. i'm sure chris cuomo has that. >> i will grab that ball and slam dunk it. let's talk now with donald trump's newly minted convention manager paul manafort. this is not manafort's first rodeo. he is a veteran political strategist. he protected ford, worked with bush. he knows what's going on.

he has been in contested convention. i won't say when because he looks 30 years old. welcome to "new day". >> thank you. >> let's talk first what you need in this campaign. paul manafort. uh-oh. this is a shakeup. this is the man. they say no, corey lewandowski is the man. they will work closely together. >> this is the kind of leadership he will bring to the presidency after november. campaigns have different phases. trump has done a historic thing. becoming the first presidential moderate candidate and showing how it can work. because the campaigns come in stages, he understood there are times when winning isn't enough. but it is how you win and how much you win. he recognized this was the time. and he reached out to some people who suggested me. we got together. i have known donald since the 1980s.

we talked about it. he felt i could help him. and he made the changes. >> are you the boss's boss now? >> i work directly with the boss. >> you only have one guy that you listen to and it's trump. >> i listen to everybody. i have one guy whose voice is louder than everyone else's. >> >> now you have the media challenge. what do you do if it goes to convention? yes, you know the convention from '76. not like what's going on right now. i want to play for you about what he sees his path going forward even before a convention. we have a clear path forward. it's difficult. we have to win. we have to win consistently. i'll point out in the last three weeks we have won in four states in a row. we won a land slide in utah. nearly 70% of the vote. we have all the delegates. >> what do you say? >> we, he's right. he has to win. he hasn't won.

utah and new york are two different states. utah's vote total and new york's vote total are two different totals. ted cruz has seen his best day. this convention process will be over with sometime in june. probably june 7th. it will be apparent to the world that trump is of the 1,237 number. and at that point in time when it is apparent, everything is going to come together. >> you think trump gets to 1,237. >> absolutely. >> before the convention? >> absolutely. >> why the conflict? >> because i know the votes. >> but he has to win a high percentage of the remaining delegates. >> you have to look where the winning has to happen. that's where he is the strongest. we're not talking about winning 30 votes in new york or whatever it was in utah. we're talking about over 80 votes in one day in new york. that sets a lot of ships straight. as an example. there's pennsylvania, new jersey, maryland, connecticut.

yes, california will be important. by the time we get to california the momentum will be very clear. ted cruz's path to victory will be in shamble. >> you have to win the delegates. put up the graphic on what's happening later. colorado. cruz has gone back, picked up six delegates. louisiana he is going after rubio's pledged delegates. a lot of concern to our understanding is bringing you in. he is beating us at the game. >> you have to understand what the game is. if it is a second, third, fourth ballot, what he is doing is clever. if there's only one, it is meaningless. the stolen delegates, they still have to vote for trump on the first ballot.

and if it's clear in june that he is over 1,237, these are republicans. they will not to kill the party. maybe cruz will have a chance to give a speech. and but they are going to be -- the convention is going to be united. >> how do you separate with how you win, who you are dealing with in trump. trump is unlike anybody you have worked with before, at least in running for president. how do you change trump to get away from this ratio of 65/35. i don't like it. >> this is a contested primary number. clinton's negatives are just as high. they're all levels up

sustainable. cruz's numbers are not much better. so it doesn't really matter today. if he was at that number in september, i'd be concerned. he's not going to be at that number in september. >> why not? they don't seem to move that much. >> they will because we're in a competitive situation where he's out in the boxing ring every day for the last nine months. once it moves towards unifying, which it will. after he is the nominee of the party, then we'll have the summer to put the campaign together. the democrats are not going to have the summer to put the campaign together. the convention will be fractured. >> where is the optimism? the math doesn't look good for you right now. >> because i have done this a lot. i have been through these. i can go back to '76 when

everybody was saying ford can never unite the party. we came down to florida and won that election, hawaii and won. 3:00 in the morning when we shut off the lights. that's how close it was. but if you talked to people in june, ford didn't have a chance. he wasn't even going to be the nominee. same thing with reagan. carter was wishing for reagan in 1980. his numbers were not in good shape. >> i'm the opposite of that. you are as connected to the insider game of what you have even said on ro record yourself as anybody. how can you be the antidote to help trump when you go against his main message.

that doesn't make the you establishment. i haven't been involved in 20 years. i don't spend much time. do i have relationships that go back to the situation? they see me as a bridge. they didn't have a way in. they are not talking to me for finding a way in. >> the perception is is shady. when you look at the history, it is shady. what happened at hud is shady. ukraine, is shady. >> you were with the guy that people wanted to throw out. he brings in a guy helping someone. >> we can talk foreign policy any time. at the end of the day, the agreement that the current

president, when i also helped get into power was an agreement i negotiated with ukraine for the european union. >> you're not concerned you will see compromise and stand up and say we won't play any dirty insider games. we're different, like trump promises. >> absolutely. i'm inheriting a great situation. i have to steer the ship in a little bit different direction. >> the question becomes are you the right captain? look, this is not a character judgment. they have done plenty of that when you're involved. but to say i'm different. i don't play this game. you've done your entire professional life. is that the right guy to captain the ship who is supposed to be heading into different waters? >> donald trump thought it was. >> what do you think it will mean for the campaign? >> they will do what's happening now, coming to me to find ways

to get involved in the trump campaign. >> you see more people getting involved. >> people who wanted to before but didn't have a way in. >> what does that mean? >> they didn't know people. they didn't know donald. >> if you're wrong about the 1,237 and you go to convention, he has to have the right people there, do you think you can make that happen? >> i think he has built a career in being successful with people. >> do you think you can work the connections if it comes down to that? >> making sure the doors are open. people see donald trump, they like donald trump. they understand what he wants to do as president, they like him even more. i don't view my job as molding donald trump. i view my job as making sure people get a chance to understand and meet and see donald trump. >> just so we get one of the

headlines out of this. even though they come in and help with the convention, you say you think it is over. you think he gets to 1,237 before you're in cleveland. >> if we run the right campaign, yes. >> paul manafort, thank you for being on "new day". good luck going forward breaking news out of the vatican. the church releasing long awaited papal documents. our vatican correspondent is live in rome with all the breaking details. >> it is a poetic document. worth the read if you have time to read the document. as to the important points about the document, no major doctrinal changes. so the pope says marriage is between a man and woman.

gay unions are not equivalent to marriage. at the same time he wants to welcome people who are in different family situations into the church. he said over and over again, we do not want discrimination. we do not want harsh documents on people who are in irregular family situations. there was a big issue about divorce and remarried couples because before this they were not allowed to participate in various activities of the catholic church, such as being a god parent, reading at mass, and receiving communion. he is it is important after a divorce should be made to feel part of the church. they are not ex communicated and should not be treated as such. this is the bottom line of this document.

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do you believe secretary clinton is unqualified to be president? >> well, does secretary clinton believe i am unqualified? >> why can't you simply say yes. >> she is of experience. she is extremely intelligent. you know, i have some experience too. >> that was bernie sanders being pressed over his recent claim hillary clinton was not qualified to be president. did he put the issue to rest? let's discuss it with new york congressman and hillary clinton supporter, representative jeffries. congressman, thanks so much for being here. >> good morning.

>> was that a satisfying answer that senator sanders gave? >> not at all. i'm not sure why senator sanders has chosen to go down this path. hillary clinton is one of the most qualified to seek the presidency. >> he said he was returning in kind fire. >> at the end of the day the debate should be about issues. they are concerned about his record on gun control where he consistently has been on the wrong side of the issue, voting with the nra and against the interest of the people. >> is senator sanders qualified to be president? >> well, i think he has qualifications that many people have been attracted to, ultimately people of democratic

party will have to make that determination. but certainly as hillary clinton has said, if the choice is between senator sanders and either donald trump or ted cruz, it's not even a close choice. >> how do you explain the changing tone? >> i think senator sanders is down, notwithstanding the momentum he claims to have. they have gotten more than 2.5 million votes. we're up by 200 pledged delegates. there is some desperation actually in terms of the need for senator sanders to do well in new york, as well as the states that will follow in pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut. >> you talk about gun policy. it has become a point of contrast in the race. in fact, hillary clinton suggested that bernie sanders might bear some of the blame for sandy hook.

and he countered and said maybe she bears responsibility for fallen u.s. soldiers's families because of her vote on the iraq war. and then jeff weaver said something we hadn't heard at all before in this election about hillary clinton bearing some responsibility for the rise of isis. let me play that for you. >> her campaign is funded by millions and millions of dollars by wall street and other special interests. she made a deal with the devil. we all know the devil wants his money in the end. >> those are very unfortunate comments. we can take it step by state first as it relates to his record on guns. he voted five times on background checks. he voted to allow guns on

amtrak. as it relates to the position on isis, she's been strongly supporter of the president's policies. >> is it u.s. foreign policy to blame for the rise of isis? that almost seemed to be what he was suggesting. >> it is a very difficult connection for anybody to make. clearly there were mistakes made by the bush administration in iraq that led to the formation of al qaeda in iraq. al qaeda was a precursor to isis. but to blame senator clinton at the time who was in the senate for what has ultimately happened in the middle east where there

were centuries of problems that no one has been able to solve. >> bill clinton was disrupted by black lives matter protesters. they were shouting and taking issue with hillary clinton's previous use of the term super predator. let me play this moment for you in his response. >> i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and send them out on the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter. tell the truth. >> to the black lives matter reason protesters have reason to still be angry? >> certainly the black lives movement have raised important issues as it relates to unarmed

african-american men being killed and victimized by police violence across the country. often they are not held accountable. a majority saw fit to support that. it has led to an exacerbation of the mass incarceration phenomenon we have in america. we have to do a lot to correct that. but there are no winners on either side of this debate. bernie sanders was in the house of representatives at the time and voted for the 1994 crime bill. and the other thing we know, vermont has one of the highest rates of african-american

incarceration in the country. bernie sanders has managed to do nothing about that particular issue. so more needs to be done. senator sanders clearly has issues in that area. i felt why president clinton needed to defend what he signed in 1994. >> thank you for coming in to "new day". over to michaela. religious freedom measures in the south. up next, we will debate the motive of these measures. washing the dog! washing the cat! well i'm learning snapchamp! chat. chat! changing the oil... (vo) it's surprising what people would rather do than deal with retirement. pressure-washing the... roses. aerating the lawn! (vo) but with nationwide it's no big deal. okay, your retirement plan is all set. nationwide? awesome. nice neighborhood. ♪ nationwide is on your side

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thank you, gentlemen, for having a reasonable debate you are making the accusation these laws are to suppress, not to free up people of religious freedom. how so? >> well, i think what this really does is protect in competent professionals in the counseling feels. their oath is do no harm. here we have young teenage kids or documents, lgbt who go through bullying parents, bullying church or bullying society or politicians more concerned about protecting outdated, ill-informed, misguided religious teachings than in fact, protecting these kids. gay kids are four to six times more likely to commit suicide, more likely to suffer depression, more likely to do drugs and alcohol. they in fact, more off than

their straight counterparts, kill themselves. and we have to protect these kids, not ledge slate in favor of in competent professionals. >> how do you address the need and still justify the bill? >> first of all, let me explain what the bill does. apparently you and your guests on the show haven't read the bill. counselors have been allowed to refer to another counselor when someone is seeking counseling for a subject matter that the counselor finds personally objectionable. the counselor has a tattoo to refer to another counselor. we're not changing that. from time in memorial that's been the case. it wasn't until 2014 that the american counseling association, which by the way the state of tennessee had the debate. they decided to change universal code of ethics and said they must refrain from referring to

another counselor based solely on a personal belief or violation of personal belief or behave. it's the american counseling association discriminating, not tennessee or the tennessee general assembly. >> just for purposes of clarification, because you brought my competence in it. i have read it. also the main line. i familiarized mid with the american counseling association and ethics. you referred to it in your preinterview. it's now on the screen. no counselor or therapist providing counseling or therapy services shall be required to counsel or serve a client as to goals, outcomes, or behaviors that conflict with a sincerely held religious belief of the counselor or therapist. i won't treat you if i feel something is offensive to my faith? is that not what it says? >> this is the status quo within

the profession of counseling up to 2014. no one has been able to provide me with a single incidence of a circumstance where someone was denied counseling. people who go into the counseling profession go into it because they care about people. no code of ethics should require a counselor to provide counseling when he they seem it for a subject matter that they disagree with. you all brought in lgbt. it could be drug and alcohol abuse, pornography addiction. seek counseling from a counselor who is untrained and does not have experience in a particular subject matter. >> that counseling if they're not untrained, if they're not keeping up with their profession and doing continuing education shouldn't be a counselor. but to the senator's point, this was changed in 2014. and things do change because

people evolve, learn more, understand more. before 1972, homosexuality was a mental disorder. when i have a young kid, that's what i grew up thinking. and i cried myself to bed every night. i was tortured about it. but luckily in the early '70s, my father sent me to a psychiatrist because he saw was turmoil i was in. instead of suggesting shock therapy he taught me how to love myself and enjoy my life as it was. i was really born again because i started to live missed life. the american counseling association with more knowledge, more information, more understanding they said, no, no. counselors can't just say if they don't like alcoholics, you can't do that. if you're a professional in this field, you have to have continuing education. and you have to live to the oath do no harm. what does it say to a harm when

the counselor says i don't want to take care of you because you're gay. i'll refer you to someone else. instead of working hard to protect in competent counselors, how about protecting the kids. 1.5 million gay teens need the help and support of adults. they need common decency of docume adults, not to be persecuted. >> let me say the ultimate objective should be for people who need help to get the help they need. if they have to specialize in one form of counseling, it should have the ability to refer the client who needs the help to a counselor who is most capable of providing that service. >> gentlemen, thank you for discussing this. obviously we're doing this for your benefit. the bill that we are talking about right now is bill 1840. find it online very easily. tweet us at "new day". alisyn. >> back to the race.

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happened back in 1976 when a california governor named ronald reagan took on the republican establishment. chief political analyst gloria gorger has more. >> after heaps of mud flung along the way, the republican presidential race has a bit of everything, except a nominee. >> we will win a majority of the delegates. >> the last time a contested convention happened was in 1976 when former governor ronald reagan was the outsider challenging president gerald ford. both men claimed to have the votes heading into the convention, but nobody was sure. not even jim bakker, then ford's top delegate hunter. >> we had no assurance whatsoever that he would get the majority of votes necessary to

be nominated. >> but he did. winning the nomination and earning baker headlines. but it was far from easy. >> mr. president -- >> governor reagan almost knocked off an in couple dent republican president. we had to get in there and fight for it. >> so as donald trump gets ready to rumble at the convention, baker has little sympathy for the argument that if trump is closest to the finish line going in, he should be the winner. >> it's mathematically unfair. >> is that the the political process works? >> that is not the way the process is supposed to work. >> 20 votes for our fellow texan. >> it is supposed to work in a vote or series of votes by the delegates on the floor of the convention. they select the nominee. sit after all a party's nominating convention. >> good news for trump is that

his supporters, like ronald reagan's 40 years ago, are die hard. >>. >> reagan had the benefit of the movement. his delegates were committed to what he stood for. >> just the same way trump's delegates are committed to donald trump as the outsider. >> provided trump can get them selected as delegates and not have his delegates slots filled by a kasich or cruz person. >> in other words, just winning the most delegates on primary nights is not enough. >> another win for donald trump. >> winning states is one thing. but keeping your state's delegates is another matter entirely. not only on the first ballot but hanging on to them if there are multiple votes leaving delegates free to roam, even defect. that's where trump's anti establishment campaign is playing catchup if you were

running the trump delegate selection process now, what would you be doing? >> well, i think they need to be ramping up a sophisticated delegate process. i'm not sure they have been paying attention to the ground game first of all, you need to know everything there is to know about a potential delegate or delegate. what turns them on, what turns them off, what they believe in, what they favor, who they are sleeping with. you make a point to learn everything you can about each delegate. then you just massage that delegate. you stay in touch with them. you work them. protect them to keep them from being stolen on the other side. it is a zero sum game.

>> with very few rules. >> you have to be careful. you can't buy votes. >> what can you do? >> there are some things we can do. took great advantage in 1976 ahead of the party was the president of the united states. >> that helped. >> it helped a lot. it was for the queen of england. you get an uncommitted delegate, invite him to the white house for a steak dinner for the queen ofening land. you have a pretty good chance of getting his vote. >> did you? >> yeah, we did. i bet i went to more state dinners with the exception of betty and gerald ford. >> and some delegates brazenly asked for favors. some crossing the line. >> we got a lot of inappropriate requests. outrageous ones were jobs, federal jobs. >> federal jobs? >> yeah, federal jobs. if i'm not mistaken, there was a

request to lay off a relative of one of the delegates being prosecuted for a federal crime. things like that. >> eupl prof requests aside, what about a hunting trip. >> he shot the wrong kind of bird. >> or texas. >> it wasn't only played on our side. it was played on their side too. >> america is at peace. >> still, it was close. when it came to a head on the convention floor or beat reagan out right by 117 votes. >> we must go forth from here united. >> baker warned that if it does and the rules start changing in the middle of a game there could be hell to pay for the entire republican party. >> if you have a candidate who

led 150 delegates votes of a majority and you start changing the rules to screw the candidate out of the nomination, you're going to buy yourself some grief. because his supporters, all of whom thought they were voting for significant change, my stay home. >> glorious, so fascinating to hear jim bakker on this. and almost comforting to know we have done this before. there is a way to get through this. >> krae. >> and i know that you asked this, the rules are such that they allow for other voting. if trump is within 100 delegates, he's the one that should get the no, ma'am nation? >> no. look, nothing is automatic. the rules are the rules. you can't change rules in the middle of the game, number one. and you have to get to that

magic number of 1237. so his feeling is where the trump campaign has lagged behind, and i think, you know, you had paul manafort on earlier because he is trying to fix that. and by the way, paul manafort worked for jim bakker at the '76 convention. >> wow. >> you've got not only on the first ballot so you can win, free to roam and move to another candidate if you want to. one thing to remember here, alisyn, is that delegates are not primary voters who want to send a message to washington and protest. these are people who work in politics by and large, and they have one goal, and that is to win. so what a candidate has to do is convince these delegates that he's the fellow who can beat the democrat in the fall. >> wow! gloria, thanks so much.

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below 4%. michaela? >> thanks, christine. the white house warning congress to fight the zika virus or live to regret it. president obama redirecting nearly $6 million in ebola funds to zika research. upset for not allocating more money for this growing threat. how worried should we be here in the u.s. about zika? our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is with us. so great to have you. >> thank you. >> this redirection of the fund, frustrated with congress, redirecting funds from ebola to zika. how will that work and what does it mean for the fight against zika and for ebola? >> saying, look, we need money now. the weather is starting to get warmer. we know how to basically try and stem the potential spread of this here and that's to control the mosquitoes. figure out where they are, control them. they want to work on a vaccine

to do that. taking money from ebola, because there was a significant amount of money there still for ebola, that was, by the way, designated to be spent. not that that money was just sitting there and redirect for now making it clear the money for ebola needs to be sort of filled. one thing to make a point of. you and i talk about ebola a lot. fewer than a dozen patients in the u.s., and when that started to happen you remember the interest and anxiety around that. if we start to see local spread of zika, more pregnant women affected, that's the concern. all of a sudden a huge surge in demand for resources. they want to sort of preempt that. >> the other big news is that the world health organization is saying definitively now zika does cause microcephaly and guillain-barre. >> six different countries, had children with microcephaly now, also the zika infection. so these cause and effect relationships are hard to establish. it can take decades sometimes to

be certain. here, because of the sudden increase in numbers and the zika association, they're saying it's time to just say it causes it. >> you know, sort of the people's doctor. everybody reaches out to you, our staff included and you've been getting e-mails, hey, i'm supposed to travel to a country where zika has been diagnosed. what are you telling them? >> look, here's what i say, and it falls under the guise what the medical community is saying, but it's changing. a pregnant woman or thinking about getting pregnant in one of these countries, if you don't have to be there, i wouldn't go. avoid it. say you're pregnant and just visited one of these countries, now are back in the united states saying, okay, what do i do now? i think the best answer is, get tested. and also get a cranial ultrasound. an ultrasound specifically -- >> you can ask your doctor to do that? >> you can ask your doctor to do that, and sometimes known as a high-risk obstetrician, one of their offices, but what i would

do. first test negative, ultra screen okay. you're probably in the clear. the test is positive or equivocal get a series of ultra sounds throughout the pregnancy. >> down the pike, olympics happening in rio de janeiro. big zika virus there. how about being concerned? >> it is hot there, warm, will get cooler. mosquitoes will start to decrease in population. they're taking all kinds of precautions in terms of controlling mosquitoes, getting rid of standing water, lots of spring. want to make it obviously as safe as possible. had a lot of issues, the olympics in rio. the advice stands. if you don't need to be in one of these countries, don't go. my daughter, my wife, this is what i would tell them. >> why we need you around. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> this is sideways. let you work that out. following a lot of news including the candidates taking a nastier tone ahead of new york's primary. let's get to it.

>> i'm not going to get beaten up on or lied about. we will fight back. >> bernie sanders by his own admission has never even been a democrat. >> the american people might wonder about your qualifications. >> it's kind of a silly thing to say. >> democrats around the country are pretty clear. we'll unify one way or another. >> i've got this guy talking about new york values -- >> everyone in new york and outside of new york knows exactly what i meant by that. >> asking me am i tough enough? yeah, i'm tough enough. >> i told him, the leftovers. >> this isn't a game. this isn't a smoke-filled room. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. catching up in the midst of preparation and ma kay ichaela being beautiful. welcome to your "new day." it is friday, april 8th. complement day here on the set of "new day." not so much on the democratic side of the presidential race, though, ripping a page from the gop race maybe?

why? bernie sanders and hillary clinton doing a lot of, your worse than i even am. sparring about who's qualified to even be the president. what's going on with this negative tone? and -- is it about to get worse? >> as for the republicans, donald trump now focusing on his delegate strategy while ted cruz stands by his disparaging new york values comments, with the new york primary days away, where will the race go from here? let's begin our coverage on the race for the white house with cnn's phil mattingly who joins us, hi, phil. >> reporter: apparently to any stereotypical new york thing you can come up with, whether a subway stop, an italian deli, a matzo bakery, candidates are there. from both sides of the aisle. but the underlying tension in both of these races still very much in existence. questions about qualifications, questions about new york values, questions about donald trump's campaign team. all coming to a head here in new york.

2016 presidential hopefuls hitting the streets of the big apple. courting voters ahead of new york's primary. ted cruz in brooklyn making matzo. >> firm. [ applause ] >> reporter: secretary clinton attempting to drum up support among subway riders. >> how are ya? >> reporter: and fending off senator bernie sanders attacks. >> are you qualified to be president of the united states? when you're raising millions of dollars from wall street and an entity whose greed, recklessness and illegal behavior helped destroy our economy? >> reporter: sanders refusing to back down thursday. >> i'm got-onot gotting be beat or back down. >> reporter: and taking the high route in front of yankee stadium. >> i don't know why he's saying that but i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz anytime. >> reporter: tempers ratcheting up and slamming new york's politicians, and donald trump --

>> our friends in the media tell us that donald trump is unstoppable in new york state. and they really want to see a general election between two new york liberals who agree on washington being the center of the universe. >> reporter: john kasich looking to capitalize on the backlash, touring a deli in the bronx. >> how about a little cheese on the top of this? mama miya. >> reporter: both his campaign and super pac launching full-scale attack ads aimed at cruz. >> ted cruz sneered at our new york values. >> new yorkers aren't stupid, ted. >> reporter: donald trump seizing on his home court advantage. >> this is home. it's great to be home. >> reporter: backing out of scheduled stops in california and coal to take closed door meetings with his staff. traditional campaign moves, in an untraditional campaign.

and paul man i manafore, the pe responsible inside the team, and how interested people are in that hire, just since your interview with him last hour i've gotten 15, 20 e-mails from gop op prootierativeoperatives. not xwlauft he's doing for donald trump but how donald trump's campaign may hift shift the months forward. >> interesting response from phil mattingly. thank you, my friend. you have polling showing ted cruz running dead last in new york. right? third our three. right? so somehow what would be winning for him here? what can he accomplish in new york and then going forward? that's the test. let's discuss. the cruz strategy in new york with national spokesperson for the cruz campaign, mr. ron nearing. ron, good to have you on the show, as always. >> good morning. good morning. >> so let's -- we have contrasting versions of the

truth this morning. paul manafore said we will reach with donald trump, one, two, three, seven, before the convention. i said, wow. you've got to win a lot of delegates by percentage, then. the man who need to win even more is ted cruz, but listen to what ted cruz just said. >> we have a clear path forward to get to 1,1237 delegates. it's difficult. we've got to win and win definitely. i'll point out in the last three weeks we've won in four states in a row. a landslide in utah. nearly 70% of the vote. got all the delegates. >> the only thing harder than winning 59% of the remaining delegates what trump has to do, would be winning 88% of the remaining delegates, which is what you guys have to do. what is the point behind making this statement, that, yeah, we're going to win it before the convention? >> well, i think actually the one thing that's even more

difficult is what john kasich would have to do, which would be to win about 120% -- >> 125% kasich would. why i didn't note him, ron. this is really about -- who's going to get -- >> talking about what's possible. >> why put that suggestion out there? are you setting yourselves up for failure? >> no. because it's just a -- it's an acknowledgement of the fact there are enough delegates in the remaining states up for grabs that donald trump or ted cruz could win the nomination prior to the convention. what's equally possible, however, is no one gets 1,237 delegates when we get to the convention, and ultimately it will be those delegates gathered there in cleveland who will make that decision. be clear that the focus of the campaign needs to be on the messages of what we do with the country going forward, how we apply conservative principles in order to solve the country's problems. the folks who are in the states that have not yet voted yet, people in my own state of california, they deserve a full debate and discussion on the issues and qualifications of the

candidates going forward, and i know that, you know, all the delegate discussion is really, really interesting for insiders, but there are serious issues concerning the country going forward and the voters in the remains states deserve to have that serious debate focused on those issues. >> were she time to talk about the delegates. >> if they become likely, which we believe is more likely than you guys, because talking about getting to the path regardless of the convention. let's talk about what's happening on the ground. i would submit that senator cruz saying, new york values means these lefties, like andrew cuomo and weiner and all of these other democrats they have coming at us, what i meant. not the new york people. i would submit, that's the right way to argue for ted cruz, but are people accepting that on the ground here? or are they still believing what trump is suggesting which is, no. he was talking about all of us. he was saying that new yorkers represent something bad. >> well, you know, obviously donald trump is going to continue to do and say

increasingly desperate things, exactly what he does every time he loses. you know, in wisconsin, donald trump had predicted 24 hours beforehand he was going to win in wisconsin and so on and he got blown out in wisconsin. so whenever he loses something, you know, he turns to increasingly desperate tactics and we've seen him deliberately mischaracterize things. that's okay. it's not his job to be accurate. it's our job -- >> this is what your guys said, what the senator said on the stage. he said new york values, and didn't distinguish them being about politicians. only after trump slapped him down about it. >> yeah, well, look. i'm born and raised in new york. when i was going to school at stony brooke university on long island your father was governor. all of us are pretty clear what "new york values" refers to and liberal politics, ultra liberal politicses that governs primarily new york city, a near socialist type of government in new york city and liberal policies in the state that have driven taxes sky high, killed

jobs in the state, driven the middle class largely out of new york and forced many middle class folks into other states is the reason why everyone in new york goes to retire in florida in order to escape the sky-high income taxes on their pensions. that's the type of situation that's been created in new york by liberal politicians with all due respect to everyone over the course of the years and of course what was referred to. everyone in new york understands that, except, of course, for people you know, like donald trump who want to mischaracterize that, which is fine. this is politics. this ain't bean bag. this is hard. politics is hard, but that doesn't mean that senator cruz isn't going to work hard in the state of new york, work hard in order to maximize the number of voters he's able to communicate with and convey his message and vision for the future of the country, what he was doing, why he was in new york and will be in new york many times before the primary. we're going to continue to focus on that. >> one more other take on this. senators out there saying, you know, the media, they, they want this. they don't want us.

they -- and again, it fuels this suspicion that, what is he talking about? who is "they"? i'm the guy's brother, son, and i understand you going after them. i would, too, if i you were, and it may actually help you within the state, but when he says "they," those moneyed intereied that media, it smacks to people on the ground that seemed much more pernicious than politics alone. do you think the senator's done enough to correct that? >> well, the way that -- look, what we found in the state of wisconsin or any other state where we've engaged is that the more people have the opportunity to interact with senator cruz one on one in these events, or through the media, et cetera, the more they like him. the more they say who the man really is, and not the man as he's defined by his opponents. one of the challenges in any political campaign, make you're you're defining yourself and not allowing yourself to be defined by opponents. the way we do that, being

directly in new york state, again, why senator cruz was there yesterday, and for the last two days, as a matter of fact. and you know, i thought his event up in upstate new york was terrific. terrific amount of energy in the room. he went back down to new york city had a great experience there. so we're not going to allow ourselves to be defined by anyone else, like donald trump and his continued mischaracterizations but it will be senator cruz interacting with the people of the united states including people in new york. >> ron nearing, as always, i appreciate you coming on "new day" to make the case. good luck to you here and going forward. >> thank you. >> all right. breaking news out of the vatican. pope francis issues an historic document laying out the catholic church's views on marriage, love and the modern family. 260-page papal document calling for greater acceptance of gays, rejecting same-sex marriage. also reinforces the catholic church's stance against the use of contraception and the practice of abortion. former cuban leader fidel castro making a rare public

appearance at a school in havana. first time seen in public in nine months, comes days after blasting president obama's visit to the nation, thaws relations between the u.s. and cuba. the reclusive 94-year-old handed over power to his brother raoul after a serious illness. the price of a postage stamp dropped. this offsetting lingering effects of the recession. that expires sundin when the cost of a stamp drops from 49 cents to 47 cents. international stamps will also fall by 5 cents. postcards a penny cheaper. >> i was a sucker that brought a bunch of forever stamps. >> scared money never wins. >> how often does anything dough gown in price? >> i know. >> do we need a laugh? we need a laugh. a e la"late night," seth me bernie sanders stopped by.

went after the 1% of big banks and a special edition of a segment called eed "ya burnt." >> bernie what do you think about the 1%? >> the 1%? hey, 1%? what do you need all that money for? if i didn't know any better, i would think you were trying to compensate for something. how is it possible that some of you are paying a lower tax rate than your secretaries? that makes less sense than the plot of "batman versus superman." 1%. you're burnt! >> how do you feel about the big banks? do you have any opinion on them? >> the big banks? you're not too big to fail. you failed. my advice to you is the same advice i give to a couple contemplating an open relationship. it's time to break up. big banks, you're burnt!

>> what i also love, the reasons were -- on the list. >> i don't know. >> what are they when you burn them? >> crazens. >> hmm. strong. i thought unanswerable question. >> i thought it was, too. apparently not for camerota. >> you're burnt. bernie sanders and hillary clinton slinging the mud at each other this week. are things about to get uglier as the race goes on? we're going to speak to sanders campaign manager, next.

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-- secretary clinton is unqualified to be president? >> well, does secretary clinton believe that i am unqualified to be president. >> why can't you simply say yes? >> she has years experience and extremely intelligent. >> why can't she be? >> you know, i have some experience, too. >> bernie sanders pressed over his recent claim hillary clinton is not qualified to be president. did this put the dispute to rest? joining us, sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. hey, jeff. >> how's it going? >> doing well. great to have you in-studio. why can't senator sanders say,

yes, she was the former secretary of state. she's qualified to be president? >> the point he's made in a number of issues over time her judgment has been severely compromised, in the war on iraq, taking big money from big banks and special interests, welfare reform, on and on again issue positions she has taken that i think the point was really that it's sort of disqualified her from being president. >> yes, they have points of contrast, certainly. >> absolutely. >> but is hillary clinton qualified to be president? >> she certainly has the resume to be president. absolutely. >> so why is senator sanders engaging in this sort of playground politics of tit for tat? >> i wouldn't say it's playground politics. senator sanders has run an issues oriented from the beginning. >> this week seems different. both for hillary clinton and bernie sanders and this week something changed. >> something did change. we came into new york and the clinton campaign decided to play rough and tumble politics in new york city and bernie sanders who's lived in a small state

wasn't um to playing that kind of game. >> what was rough and tumble? >> asked for, five times, well, let the voters decide. the "washington post," look i went to law school just like the secretary did. i know how to say things without saying them. the "washington post" characterized it as her questioning his qualifications. jeff zeleny on election night from wisconsinked to the clinto campaign people, and they said they had a new strategy. to disqualify him. defeat him and reunite the party later. >> fact checkers gave it three pinocchios she ever said he was disqualified, or not qualified. that that was not something she had actually said. >> i'll leave it to, i believe jeff zeleny over the fact checkers at pinocchio land. >> you felt it was important to engage in a tit for tat because of that? >> no. important to demonstrate bernie sanders is flot a punching bag for the clinton campaign. not rolling into new york and have them unleash negative attacks, distortions and frankly

in some cases lies and not respond. >> so is this a new tone? will we see something different next week? >> i said earlier, a big debate who was a progressive? remember that much earlier on? bernie sanders set the message in the race. dominated in the issue to run. clinton campaign sets the tone. if they want a harsh tone, sharp elbows in new york, happy to participate on that level. a reasoned discussion of the issues and contrasts between the candidates, awawe're happy to d that, too. >> why can't you take the high ground? why must you return live fire? >> that's the world we live's inallow yourself to be a punching bag two weeks here in new york, and don't respond, it's going to hurt you, really. >> i want to ask you about something you set on our air about hillary clinton yesterday. you said you felt she was responsible for the situation in the middle east. let me just remind you of your words. you said, she supported the war in iraq. >> yes. >> continues to have a hawkish

policy led to the rise and expansion of isis in the middle east. is that a bridge too far? >> no, i don't think so. a number of experts pointed out the vacuum created in iraq after the iraq war, deposing of saddam hussein and then deposing of qaddafi isn't libya aloud isis to arise, not just my opinion but many. >> but hillary clinton is responsible for the vacuum that arose? >> hillary clinton supported the war on iraq. no doubt about that, and clear from a lot of reporting she was a key voice in the administration pushing for the war in libya. i think at one point talking about being a 50/50 split almost in the administration and her tipping it over. so, yes. i do think you have to bear responsibility for things like that. >> but you don't think it's simplifying it a bit much saying the very complicated set of circumstances that led to the rise of isis can really fall at the footsteps of hillary

clinton? >> well she's not solely responsible. not the only person or force responsible, but certainly bears some responsibility. look, bernie sanders was on the floor of the congress talking about exactly what happened. that's the kind of judgment you want in a president. you want somebody who can look forward, who understands what the dangers are of engaging in these kind of foreign adventurisms and bernie sanders saying it at the time. not just now. something he said back then. >> quickly, jeff. >> sure. >> part, what complicates this, it says, basically the u.s. hawkish foreign policy which led to the rise and ex-spansipansio. that's what isis think. something the u.s. did? >> no, no. isis is not a creation of the u.s., but a vacuum created in which that cancer could grow. a result of the iraq war in part and a result of the libyan war allowing for the expansion into libya. >> quickly, we heard senator sanders is going to the vatican

next week. what's that about? >> invited him to speak about a moral economy, how to create a moral economy 2349 world. pleased with that. has a great respect for the pope and i think a really great trip. >> fantastic. we'll be watching. jeff, thanks for coming on. >> take care. next thursday night, hillary clinton and bernie sanders before he goes to the vatican will face off in a cnn democratic debate that's in brooklyn. april 14th at 9:00 eastern. five days before the all-important new york primary. chris? >> bernie sanders, working el papa. strong move. coming up, donald trump and ted cruz getting in a new york state of mind. the republican rivals quite different in their approach to this crucial contest. we talk strategy with both campaigns, next.

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-- ted cruz has seen his best day. the reality is, this convention process will be over with sometime in june, probably june 7th. >> all right. that was donald trump's new convention manager, paul manafort telling us he's certain the nomination will be in the bag by june. why, then, did trump cancel his trips to california and colorado? let's ask jeffrey lord who joins us now, trump supporter. good morning. >> good morning. how are ya? >> doing well. first, let's talk about paul manafort. an exclusive interview this morning and he's seen as an old political campaign hand and a bit of a mysterious shadowy figure. what do you think the significance is of his being added to the trump campaign? >> well, i haven't seen paul in years, but i do know him a bit, and he's terrific. he is exactly the kind of person that donald trump or, frankly,

anybody would want to have in this role as convention manager. he knows republican conventions like the back of his hand. he knows how to get delegates, how to secure delegates, how to keep them. what not to do to lose them. he knows the washington end of things. he is exactly the kind of person you have. so i think this was a great decision. every campaign needs to have somebody like him. >> here's what i don't get, jeffrey. >> yes? >> the convention manager. you're talking about the convention. one of the first things manafort says when here, we're going to win before the convention. get 1,237. i know what the votes are. that's not a convention manager. just a regular manager. >> no. no, no, no. his focus is on the convention. i mean, the delegates, after all, have to go to the convention. so that's what his task is. that is typically. i can tell you, i hate to admit my age here, but the first convention i went to i was a 17-year-old page, in, well -- whatever year that was.

>> hmm. >> so i've been to a lot of these. that is exactly what a convention manager does. >> so jeffrey, why, then, did -- if he has it all sewn up and if in particular new york, his own home town, easy for him. he has more than 50% at the moment in polls, why, then, did dnt d donald trump cancel his trip to california and colorado? >> you never take anything for granted, ever. we're at a crucial point in the campaign. where he should be spending his time and energy exactly. candidates who have taken things for granted littered the ex-presidential highway. this is exactly the right thing to do. >> ted cruz is taking it seriously as well. he's here, he believes he's making a case to all of those sets of ears that will respond to his understanding that new york needs this kind of change to get away from those new york values, which he says now means lefty democrats who are hurting

the state for people like the gop, named cuomo and otherwise. >> who's cuomo? >> right. this one. he's talking about me. very offensive, jeffrey. no. talking about the governor, obviously. my submission is, that's good. better than what he said on the stage the night that your man trump came after him. do you believe that's how it's resonating on the ground? >> well, i would hope so, but, you know, i have a column in the "american spectator" this morning titled "cruz's goldwater-esque mistake." barry goldwater said in the early 1960s sometimes he wished he could saw the eastern seaboard off and too liberal. came back to haunt him at the president's nominee and lbj repeatedly ran an ad showing the east coast being sawed off. i would respectively point out to senator cruz in the 1980s a lot of voters voted for governor

cuomo and president ronald reagan. governor cuomo elected governor. ronald reagan carried new york state twice. there are a lot of democrats in new york who voted for president reagan, and governor cuomo, and i would suspect there are a lot of people in new york today who may have voted for governor andrew cuomo, who would be capable of voting for republican nominee for president. you know, you don't want to throw these people out. >> jeffrey, talk about ted cruz's strategy here in new york, because he's soldiering on through new york, despite the ch chilly reception. >> right. good for him. >> the many places he's going. but running third behind kasich and trump. is his strategy now just to prevent donald trump from getting more than 50% of the vote here? >> i'm sure it is. i mean, ted cruz obviously wants to win. i mean, if you're running for president, you want to do this to win. i'm sure his strategy is to win. he made a mistake. he's going to pay for it here in the state of new york, but i'm

sure at this point, as a sort of defense mechanism, he's trying to keep donald trump from just running away with it depletely. >> also not easy to get 50%. you know the system, we're learning as we cover this. it's not just getting 50% overall. you guys have to win in each district. how your party's rules work. that comes down to organization. a lot of these districts will have handfuls of gop. the registration in new york is overwhelmingly democrat. so that comes under organization. that's a cruz strength. >> yes. yes, it is, but is it a strength in new york? i frankly, chris, honestly don't know how well organized he is in new york state. as i've said, most of my family is from new york and i haven't heard them say that ted cruz supporters have knocked on their door yet. i'll let you know when that happens. >> there you go. jeffrey, thanks so much. have a nice weekend. >> okay, guys. you, too. bye-bye. what is your take on all of this? tweet us at "new day" or post your comment on facebook,

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i think my dad helped my mom learn what a parent was supposed to do and see what a relationship with the children could be like. >> when you were born, i was su sure you were going to be a girl. >> you really want add girl? >> oh! i was meant to have daughters.

>> and i won't take it personally. >> i'm going to get to the bottom of that one. the hbo documentary, "nothing left unsaid," revealing look at the life of gloria vanderbilt and her son, our pal anderson cooper. a year-long correspondence chronicled in the new memoir. "the rainbow comes and goes." life, love and loss. and anderson joins us now. were you surprised to hear -- >> no. my mom's been telling me all my life she wanted to have girls. >> that's nice. >> as a kid it used to bother me. yeah. i'm in the room. i can hear this. i'm right here. >> i have to tell you, you really, really, really, really open up in this book, and we know you as someone who's kind of quiet, keaeps to yourself, m. zen kind of quiet guy. >> chris knows a different guy. >> i don't know about that almost turned against me just now. he thinks too much. >> were you worried about sort of laying your soul there?

>> not really. what this book is, my mom, when she turned 91 we decided to change the conversation between us. in the time left i didn't want anything left unsaid between my mom and me. when my dad died, he died when i was 10. i imagined he wrhad written me letter when i turned 19, or 21, tells me about himself. i didn't want that same feeling with my mom. a lot i didn't know about her life and never sat down and am hoping that this book encourages other people, frankly, to, you know, even sit down with your aging parent or a parent with their adult child or anybody in your life. >> it's made me want to do that. >> yeah. and just get them on the record and ask the questions you haven't asked and put aside the old embarrassments and resentments and kind of learn about them in a new way. >> and did you that, and you talked with your mom about her love life. >> well, she talk and her love life. i didn't really bring up the love life but the conversation went there, yes. >> right. she famously had relationships with all sorts of famous and

dashing -- >> being kind saying relationships. isn't were very brief. howard hughes, frank sinatra, marlon brando. >> wow. >> pretty crazy. >> how was that, talking with your mom? >> not going into the gory details, thankfully. this conversation was done over e-mail making it a lot easier to have in a way. like writing a message, putting it in a bottle and sending it out and suddenly getting a response. we were able to discuss discuss we normally had never discussed before. in the film which is going to be on hbo, it's really -- it's kind of all of these things, which i didn't know about her coming forward. >> there's even a moment where you ask her about her interest in possibly being lesbian? let's watch this. >> you said to me from time to time you wish you were a lesbian? >> oh, i would have -- no. i mean, i'm not kidding.

i really would have made the -- because -- >> you would have made a great lesbian? >> because all of my -- first of all, i understand women. men are still a kind of mystery to me. i respect william enormously. i have very close women friends, although we're not lovers. >> you just weren't attracted to women? >> i just -- no. >> you didn't have any luck? >> i didn't have any luck. you know, i -- [ laughter ] >> interesting. >> notice my mom is wearing a space suit. the kind of thing my mom would show up to report card day wearing -- i would be like, oh, month many. try to get her in and out before people saw her. >> as much as i would like to come after you, i would have, had i not read some of the book. i'm not done with it yet. the reason i'm not done with it is, because i don't like you. the second reason is my wife took it from me. reading it over my shoulder. it is so beautifully done. >> oh, thanks, yeah. >> and i've had two of my three

sisters say they want the book. and i think the reason why is, you said it earlier. you said, get to know my mother in a different way. >> right, yeah. >> you were a good son. you love your mom very much. i know this. i don't know why you're trying to convince us otherwise, digging into her private life by that, and by e-mail too, much of a coward to do it in person. >> that's true, too. >> you love your mother. you care about your mother and i think that is tapping into something with people who, like, do i know enough? >> yeah, right. >> and are we on that level now as opposed to when we were kids? did you know that it would open up people to that suggestion? >> you know, we didn't initially think this was going to be a book. literally just something my mom and i were doing together before it was too late and a few months into it starting telling friends, and all were like, wish i had done that with my mom but she's no longer there. or that's a great idea. i'm going to try to do that. i realize, we all have aging

parents, and it's, you know, there's more and more of us this is an issue for. there's that issue, what do you do with all their stuff? my mom has boxes and boxes of stuff i've been going through for 30 years trying to figure out -- my mom's never thrown anything away. >> there's a lot of space suits, too. let's be honest. >> a lot of cool space suits. >> one little bit i was tickled by here. when i was 5 or 6 my father showed me a statue that stands outside grand central station in new york city and it gave me the idea all grandparents turned to the statues when they die. >> a common thing that kids feel. [ laughter ] relatable. i know. >> a part a little different than some people. a little bit of the legacy thing. >> yes. >> also talking through some of that. this must have been cathartic writing this book for you? >> i guess so. just nice to be able to discuss stuff my mom -- you know, my mom brought up that she'd had a drinking problem when i was a kid, for my entire life, and that was a huge issue for me as a child. and she stopped long ago, but we never discussed it, and all of a

sudden in this conversation we were having, she brought it up, and i was so nervous. it made me nervous even responding to her talking about it, but you know, that's the kind of thing that can come up in these sorts of conversations, when you put aside the past. >> powerful. really is. anderson's book is called "the rainbow comes and goes" available now. this is my copy. keep your hands off it, chris. the hbo documentary, "nothing left unsaid". it a great title. premieres tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. on hbo. you've got to see this. >> a really nice documentary. i'm very proud of it. >> it's insightful and a service. >> you can't even take a complement. >> you don't know where he's going with that. >> a little edge on it. >> i keep it professional when doing the job. >> do ya? >> so -- to make that point, switching topics. one woman in california helping needy children in a way you would never imagine. cnn hero chara fizzler is impacting their lives through the world of marine biology.

take a look. >> when they're in the third grade and come on our field trip they come over the hill on the bus, and they see the ocean, and they gasp. because it's literally the first time many of them have ever seen the ocean. it's a place of discovery to really explore their own potential in science. all through studying the ocean. >> each year chara's group helps 6,000 kids, the explorers. what happens next? find out. watch her story at cnn heroes dotcom and while there, nominate someone you think should be a 2016 cnn hero. >> okay. up next, a heroic team of firefighters putting their lives on the line to save one of their own. we'll tell you how they went beyond the call of duty. >> ooh. see, that's the difference. thope to see you again soon..

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a california woman sent to spend nine years behind bars after pleading guilty to an arson fire that nearly killed one of fresno the bravest is what this story is about. video of him plunging through a burning roof went viral. the footage also captured the heroic deeds of other firefighters who went beyonden the call of duty. here is cnn's stephanie elam with more. >> reporter: this dramatic cell

phone video captured it all. >> firefighter down! >> reporter: a firefighter's worst nightmare. >> is this the first time you've come back? >> a little surreal right now. yes. >> reporter: corey doesn't think of himself as a hero. >> just happened to be at the right spot at the right time. >> reporter: what he and fill oh firefighters did to save the captain is nothing short of heroic. watch him climb on to the roof of a garage, take a few steps and plunge into the smoky structure. >> all i had on as a toop tool, pipe and started beating on the top of the garage. i looked over and four other guys started pulling. >> reporter: he grabbed a hose and headed inside. >> the only thing i could recognize of, of him was the silhouette of the bottle that we carry on our back.

everything else was just charred and black. >> reporter: it took less than a minute and a half for he and four our firefighters to rescue deron. dern. a quick response almost not enough. dern's mask was seconds from failing. >> he would have then inhaled super heated gases, and smoke and that could have zinged his lungs. >> reporter: dern suffered third and fourth degree burns over 70% of his body. unable to attend a ceremony honoring the men who saved his life, his wife led a letter. >> you gave my wife back her husband. my daughter back letter dad. my mom back her son. and my sisters back their brother. >> that's even hard to hear, too, because -- i don't want my wife going through that either. our goal every day is to go home safely and, unfortunately, pete wasn't able to that day. >> reporter: lucky for captain

dern, his fellow firefighters were willing to go beyond the call of duty to save one of their own. stephanie elam, cnn, fresno, california. >> goodness. what an emotional story. >> powerful. >> incredible. >> why we tell them to you. >> wow. >> from all of us, happy friday. it is now time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> ah, the best day of the week. happy friday to all of you. have a great weekend. "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. tensions way up between democratic candidates over who is and he is not qualified to run for president. but both hillary clinton and bernie sanders are trying to tone things down today. sanders, ripping a page out of clinton's playbook. >> i think it's kind of a silly statement, but he's free to say whatever he chooses. >> is he qualified to be president? >> here's what i believe. i believe that voters will be