protested, that would mean 5 million germans, 20 million americans massing at the capitol, or 90 million angry chinese at the tie enaman scare. thanks for being a part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning, it's time for reliable sources, our weekly look at the story behind the story of how news and pop culture get made. this hour, fox news star megan kelly says she may leave the network. is it somehow tied to donald trump's bid for the white house? outgoing "new york times" public editor margaret sullivan is here and she has stories to tell. what's it likes to be the paper of record's top journalism cop. and later, someone you have to meet, the 9-year-old reporter winning accolades and animosity for breaking news about a murder in her town. she will join me along with her

mom to respond to the critics. first, something a little different. when you watch tv, did you ever notice who's not on, who's not in the picture? donald trump is always in the picture. he's a mainstay on sunday morning shows like "meet the press" and "state of the union." this week, with nine days until new yorkers head to the polls, he's missing. he's not calling in to any sunday shows and nor did he pretape any interviews. this is the first time in five months he's skipped sunday's circuit. hugh hewitt tweeted this, it's been three days since a major donald trump story. it's a little like a hit list game streak or quarters without touchdowns. later today trump will be back on the campaign trail in upstate new york. right now the empire state is in the political spotlight with two competitive primaries happening right in the media's back yard. so it's the new york media

versus the candidates. reporters, i think they're enjoying this. from hillary clinton maybe struggling a little bit with a new york city metro card, happens to all of us, to john kasich's foe faux, eating a slice with a fork and knife and ted cruz as he made the rounds making matzo in brooklyn. joining me is the perfect panel of new york's brightest and smartest political junkies, fred dicker and brian lair and bob hart. good morning to all of us. fred, what's your perspective on trump's disappearing act? why do you think he's avoiding interviews ahead of this new york primary? >> let me point out that he's dominating the news by not even being there. maybe it's a strategy. he is a master at that but he's got real problems in new york. his campaign is disorganized even though he's very strong as you see in the new york polls

and he's got to make some key decisions on spending money. he's been parse moan yus at least up until now. he may be facing millions upon millions of dollars in super pac money coming in against him that's already being spent as well as real money from ted cruz and a little from john kasich. it's organizational diflt difficulties, money problems and maybe the cleverness of a guy who can dominate the news without even being there. >> someone said to me this morning, you can't make mistakes if you don't take the field. >> we saw him yesterday. we went down to the 9/11 field. >> but he didn't take questions from reporters. >> but he still got that story, still got that attention. we're going to see it today going upstate to rochester tomorrow. he's in the albany area. i think he was taking a little bit of a breather but i think he can't resist the siren call of the new york media and i think we're going to hear him a lot over the next few days. >> it might be a little of a rose garden strategy. new york is the only state where

he may actually get a majority of the popular vote, over 50%, and he had such a bad week leading up to this weekend, he may figure, well, let me just lie low. this hasn't been trump's strategy. his straej has been to keep amping it up every time you think he can't amp it up anymore. he's got a new team in place to some degree and maybe this is a smart thing for him right now. >> he has a big rally an staten island next weekend as well. >> you made the point that he may not have a rally here in manhattan because of the idea that there would be big protests, a pretty unusual situation for a man who lives on fifth avenue to maybe not have a rally here. >> we have seen every candidate campaign on manhattan, presidential candidate, except for donald trump in manhattan. it is sort of bizarre, but i think that's part of it, that there is a fear perhaps that you can have an uber protest in the center of the city. >> fred can you jump in here. >> can i offer an alternative theory. donald trump may not do that as well in manhattan. this is 27 separate primaries involving congressional districts.

a lot of people think john kasich could wind up winning one or two congressional districts in manhattan. >> i think fred's right. this pertains to both campaigns on the democratic side because this is congressional district by congressional district and county by county. carl pal tino who is sort of a low rent version of donald trump in new york actually got the republican nomination for governor here in 2010, and that base is in the upstate counties of new york. it's very much like some of the economically bombed out portions of the industrial midwest. so that's really trump country. and similar on the democratic side for bernie sanders. >> before we turn to the democrats, let me go to you on this, fred. do you feel that there's the same kind of power for radio in new york as there was in wisconsin? there was a lot of attention on tuesday and wednesday saying conservative radio hosts helped to stop trump in wisconsin and

help ted cruz. is there any kind of same effect here or equivalent to talk radio in new york? >> not at all. new york is not a unified state the way other states are. there are groups in western new york, northeastern new york and of course new york city which is dominated by a liberal media. it's not the same. there's not an all powerful radio talk show or host that could really affect the outcome. >> turning to the democrats, and i want to go to you on this, bob, new york one and cnn are co-hosting the debate. this time last week we were asking was there going to be a debate. eventually clinton and sanders did agree. what can we expect on thursday night? >> there has been a high yat tuss on the debate and i think there's anticipation of that. on top of the idea that brooklyn is the centerpiece of this debate, it's not just some warehouse in the middle of nowhere. this is in the middle of clinton's headquarters is based and where bernie sanders was

born. he's a brooklyn native. so you have that template as well. >> full disclosure, my wife works at new york one so we're sort of in the family. new york one as new york's 24 hour cable news channel, have you had to rearrange your coverage plan? we're not used to having a competitive primary in new york state. >> we have political reporters all around the state and the city today working when they usually wouldn't. the one thing we're used to is we're not using to campaigning in april. it's almost as if we had a mayoral race or gubernatorial race that we have right now. it's in april so it's a little different. >> what are you hearing from your call-in show from listeners? what are they focused on in this democratic primary? >> they're focused on the national issues on the democratic side. they want to know if bernie sanders can really pull off implementing the plans that sound good when he ar tick lats his beliefs. >> he stumbled with the new york

daily news. t he didn't have a lot of answer on breaking up the big banks. >> there's a second line story on that which is is it the presidential candidate's responsibility to have all the granular details of a plan, or is it his responsibility to be a visionary. did ronald reagan run saying how he was going to get mr. gosh achof to tear down that wall. >> let me go to fred on this. it's worth reminding ourselves where we were a year ago versus now. i don't think people expected a competitive primary in new york. there wasn't an expectation that trump would be the front-runner or that bernie sanders would still be in the race. is this a good moment for some media self-reflection as the primary nears? >> absolutely. i think all of america is scratching their heads about what's happening today compared to what was anticipated a year ago. with that said, we live in unusual times, more so than most people can recall. new york now is not just about an exciting primary. it's really vital, especially on the republican side, if trump

doesn't get enough delegates on april 19th, he's out of the race. he's not going to make it. on the other hand, if hillary clinton could lose, and i think she could lose, she probably could still be the nominee but he may be damaged. this is an extraordinary time for sure. >> in the minute we have left, is there such a thing as a media vote, bob? is there such a thing as sort of the press playing favorites when the election is happening right here in the base of manhattan media? >> i think the favorite is we want the story and this has been a spectacular story to cover. between donald trump, hillary clinton, seeing ted cruz in the south bronx, these stories lines write themselves. this is like a tom wolf novel that we're devouring and writing every day. >> does it matter if sanders pulls off a win here because it happens in the back yard of reporters? >> it happens because there's so many delegates in new york and he needs delegates to catch up. we can think we're more

important than we are in the new york media. >> there's a manhattan media bias that we maybe focus too much on the city and not enough on the rest of the state. we'll get into that coming up. thank you all for being here. great to see you. coming up next here, actually a quick reminder, thursday night, the krcnn, new york one debate. up next, fox's megyn kelly. donald trump has called her sick, overrated and crazy. the feud with fox has complicated the relationship. now new developments. kelly hinting that she might leave the network next year when her contract is up. what might the network look like? that's after the break. ♪

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globe out with a controversial cover. it's the front page from the future. sunday april 9, 2017, it's imagining a trump presidency and urging the g.o.p. to stop trump. it uses some of his words against him and depicts what we could be seeing a year from now. one of the stories mentions megyn kelly being, quote, placed on a white house blacklist. by now everybody knows how the fox news host challenged trump and now he has repeatedly insulted her ever since then. >> megyn kelly's really biased against me. i have no respect for her. i think she's highly overrated. this is not a reporter. this to me is a lightweight.

she's not professional. she's not a talented person. i might be the best thing to happen to her. whoever heard of her before the last debate. it's a small element of my life. i don't care about megyn kelly. >> fox says he's obsessed with her. her contract with fox is up next year, i believe early next year, and she's essentially started i would call it negotiating in public. in a candid interview, one of many this week, she told variety, quote, i don't know what's going to happen. i have to keep my options open. in a sitdown with charlie rose, she said she respects fox, she likes being there, but she imagined kind of her dream show. here's what she said. >> how about if we merge a little charlie rose, a little oprah, and a little me all together and we serve that up as an hour. wouldn't you watch that? >> interesting idea. so what is next for her and is her future actually entwined with donald trump's? joining me now the "new york

times" media columnist, jim ruden berg. we were both at a party on wednesday night. megyn kelly was there. it was a hollywood reporter party. and she was the center of attention in the room. people like savannah guthrie giving her big hugs. presidents of networks saying hello. do you think there's a chance she could leave fox and go to another network? >> i think there is a chance it could happen. that party was interesting because that was the toast of the town, the media elite, embracing one of fox's two biggest stars. >> of course, we haven't seen that before. when bill o'reilly goes to an event like this, he doesn't get the same kind of attention necessarily. people shake his hand and respect him but megyn kelly is unique because she's tried to be independent. she's tried to have a brand that's bigger than fox. why do you think she's doing all these interviews now, whether it's charlie rose or variety or the others? >> people at fox will tell you it's a coincidence, it's the way some interviews lined up and it

seems to be that's the case. that said, there was a sort of critical mass of megyn kelly news last week. that's evidence to me that she's becoming a very big star. she already had something but she's becoming a very big tv star. >> that's why i say she's both been bruised and bolstered by this trump battle. clearly it has hurt her. she has security i believe now when she travels. it's done damage to her. you look at the twitter mentions, all the nastiness but at the same time it has made her more prominent. >> she said that herself. she spoke at a variety women's conference this week and said exactly that. she said the trump fight has had adversity, it's been tough, but it's also created opportunities. >> let's underscore why this is a big deal. megyn kelly is a star fox has never seen before, been in primetime a couple years ago and fox and bet its future on her. we haven't seen somebody like that leave fox in the past?

>> not a star this big. we saw paula zaun leave many years ago but this is a bigger star. >> it's normally a more cloiserred place. when you're at fox you stay there for a long time. >> you don't see people publicly airing their negotiation positions. >> that's kpawhat's so interest. this is another interview that she did with kate couric. >> i think fox has done a good job supporting me and i feel for my boss roger ailes. think of the position he's been put in. this is unprecedented. they have one of their lead news anchors under attack and what are they going to do? they can't ban the presidential front-runner from coming on the channel. >> that's how she explains the tensions with trump. do you think there's a scenario where she has to think about leaving fox? if trump were to become president would she fit on the conservative cable news channel of the united states? >> roger ailes has shown loyalty

toward her and releasing a statement that really had her back. ms. kelly is aware that ailes has been a good patron for her. i think if the status quo is maintained, sure, she could stay. >> all this is fundamentally about money. some of her comments was about trying to seek a better contract but she has indicated she wants to be more like barbara walters and doing her first primetime special in may. it seems fox is giving her room. >> fox is giving her room. could she get a $20 million morning show salary, perhaps. harper collins gave her a generous book contract. >> that's a good glimpse behind the scenes of how these things work. 21st century fox, news corporation all owned by the murdochs. having a book deal as well as a tv show as well as a primetime special, perhaps ways to keep her in the family. >> and show some love with a lot of money, many millions of

dollars. >> the other news out of her comments this week is her position about coverage of trump by the rest of the press. i want to play another clip about what she said to katie couric that she thinks the press has put the thumb on the scale when it comes to trump. >> then the media would sit there and say it's amazing how the polls are up, up. it's like you're putting your thumb on the scale. yes, we all have to worry about numbers to some kmeextent. but we also have to worry about our souls and journalism. >> kelly has covered trump an awful lot on her own show but what do you think is behind her comments this week about trump's coverage suggesting the rest of the press has given him so much air time? >> it's fascinating. wrapped up in that kpant is also one that's not so subtly aimed at her colleague bill o'reilly and voicing that the media should stand up to trump more,

as many critics and i've written that happens a little bit myself. megyn kelly, a fox news top star is telling the rest of the news media, look, you guys have to get tougher on republican front-runner. >> your first media column for the times a few weeks ago was about trump coverage. have you seen a shift in the winds, more aggressive questioning by other interviewers? >> i've seen some more tough questions and i think it happened right here on cnn at your town hall. the morning shows have been less willing to put him on the phone, at least chuck todd said he won't do it anymore. you still see issues like the press not being able to film trump on his own rope line that keeps him from getting everything they may want to get in the situation. >> yesterday a visit to the 9/11 museum reporters wanted to speak with the candidate afterwards and weren't able to. >> there's an interesting push. he's the most accessible presidential candidate any of us

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donald trump is the biggest story in politics and too many media types missed and dismissed him for too long. i've said that on the show before and so have some of my guests. do we need a media self-exam

about bernie coverage? listen to this from mika brzezinski. >> us, the media, the story, the movement. i definitely feel i'm guilty of that. i feel like we completely miss the story and then we're like, oh, oh, we've got to cover him. >> i was struck by that and wanted to explore it in more detail. cnn commentator sally cohn wrote about how sanders is this year's biggest media story, not trump. sally is joining me on the set. you're undecided but leaning towards sanders. >> i have always leaned towards sanders. i'm going to be honest, i'm more undecided this week. >> let's talk about that in a moment. first, why is sanders a bigger story this year than trump? >> he isn't. he should be. let's be very clear. >> why? >> the media coverage doesn't seem to agree with me. look, you have a self-described democratic socialist who, you

know, is the most curmudgeonly and less campaign savvy in the traditional sense running up against the most well organized, well oiled political machine we've seen in a presidential election in some time and a presidential primary contender in hillary clinton who was far and away presumed to be not only the nominee but the eventual president this election, and look how well he's doing. it is astonishing. it is a huge story, and in any other moment we would be i think all covering it as such. >> sanders has given voice to a wide swath of the country that generally doesn't hear their opinions expressed on tv. think about the commentators on cable news channels. the paid liberal commentators send to be more supportive of clinton than sanders. i think you've experienced that yourself. >> no comment. in my experience that is true. it's also all of the assumptions about politics.

again, setting the trump story aside for a second, think about this. you said you have to kind of play the super pac and big money game in order to actually get at the table of politics and run a national campaign, right? this is all about established voters. this is all about -- all of the sort of troeps of politics. he has thoroughly upended a grassroots campaign that is raising more money than the hillary campaign, engaging young voters who we all thought were cynical and checked out and too busy with their heads down in phones to care about the world and about politics and engage. the media has been guilty of buying into or reinforcing, he's turned it on their heads, massive movement, massive energy, really made this race a race and we're barely covering it. >> i would note the monitor on the screen says did the media miss the bernie sanders story. there's been some disproportionate coverage. at the same time though sanders himself seems surprised by how

well he's doing. maybe sanders missed the sanders story to some degree. >> that makes it even more of a story. you have a guy who wasn't planning to win. >> let me put on the screen what you said after sanders called clinton unqualified for the white house. you said take it back, senator sanders, i haven't decided who i'm voting for in the new york state primary. but at this point your statement definitely decreases your chances of being you. since he has sort of taken it back, why are you less decided? >> he didn't take it back enough for me. whether it's true or false, sanders says it was because the "washington post" said that she said that i was unqualified and therefore i responded. who cares, even if she had said it, the way he responded -- first of all, the she started it is very trump-ian. second of all, who cares. because she did it, even if you thought she did it -- i can't believe this is like a

conversation i have with my 5-year-old. it doesn't make it okay for him to say it. look, i don't like ted cruz. i think he would be a disaster for this country. but ted cruz is qualified to be president. barack obama as a one-term united states senator was qualified to be president. i'm a new yorker. i don't agree with everything hillary clinton supports, but she's been my senator for two terms. she is qualified. secretary of state someone said the second most qualified person ever running for president. you can't say she isn't qualified. that's a low blow. we don't do that as democrats, bash our own. i admired about this primary how substantive it was and i support his issue and he was making her address them. this isn't us. >> he has nine days you're saying to woo you? >> yeah. nine days to woo me personally. i've heard from a lot of sanders supporters actually who have switched over in the last -- really concerned in the last week. >> this is partly what makes the next nine days so interesting. >> i can't wait for the debate

on cnn. it's going to be an incredibly important one to bring new yorkers back if he can do it sfl great to see you, sally. >> always a pleasure. up next here, a sunday morning exclusive for the person who might have the single weirdest job in journalism. i'm going to make you wait until after the break to see who she is. better be some awards behind what you are paying for, right. the final answer. chevy. the most awarded car company two years in a row. wow, it's like a luxury car. i was shocked. i mean it's like, this is chevy? for a limited time, get cash back for 15% of the msrp on most remaining 2015 chevy vehicles while they last. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.

welcome back. the public editor job is unlike anything else in journalism. the person is in charge of examining reader's complaints from the inside and making recommendations for improvement. the bosses don't have to respond to her or even read her but by all accounts, the current public editor, margaret sullivan, has been very influential. she's been called fearless and she wrote about why the times didn't gain access to the panama papers. this morning she joins me for an exit interview of sorts.

let me start with the new york primary. you used to be the top editor in buffalo. do you think there's a media bias in the way we're approaching this primary? >> as if upstate didn't really exist? >> yes. >> that's sort of a normal way to look at new york state in general i think. >> but should be avoided? >> i think so. i always find that people think that buffalo, for example, is due north, when in fact, it's quite a bit west. there's not a lot of understanding of upstate tore western new york in manhattan. >> manhattan should start with a map and go from there? >> yes. >> let's go south to the panama papers. this story broke last sunday. more tharn 100 organizations working together to look at this data from a panamanian law firm revealing how off shore bank accounts are held bay the world's richest people. there were very few news outlets involved. what was your understanding about why the times wasn't able to access these documents? >> i found out very quickly that the story came as a surprise to the times.

i think they were in a position of scrambling and playing catchup for the first day or two. later i found out that they really were never approached to be part of the consortium. i think the reason for that, as it was explained to me by the deputy director of the c consorti consortium, was in the past it wasn't the model for the way the times do things, what they call radical sharing and i'm not sure that that's what the times is all about. >> it was a big moment, to see so many news organizations in 25 languages working together on an investigation. >> it was a big deal, and the stories, i mean obviously the prime minister of iceland has resigned over it and there have been other repercussions. there haven't been a lot of americans involved and so i think that that is something that takes away from the newsworthiness in america somewhat. >> we're going to see more of this i think in the future, these kind of leaks, document dumps shared with journalists.

>> exactly. >> let me ask you about the headlines from your tenure. i think people are curious what your biggest achievement was on the job. there's been a lot of impressive journalist and a lot of gaffes in those four years. >> i feel like what i really tried to do, brian, was represent the reader and that comes up in the moment. there are all kinds of different things, is the times covering bernie sanders enough for example has been a really big deal. in terms of policy changes, and i would not attribute this to me, certainly not entirely, but the times did change its policy or guidelines on the use of anonymous sources. >> when i was there years ago, as long as my editor in charge of me knew my source, it was printed. but now on a big story it's got to go to the very top editor. >> that's right. >> that's a big change. >> it is a change. >> why do you think that's so important for the times? is it about regaining trust of the readers? >> anonymous sources have a tendency to cut into credibility with the readers. there's no one to hold accountable for this information, so when you do use

them and they do need to be used sometimes no doubt, it has to be done with a lot of care. >> speaking of corrections -- speaking of trust, this issue of corrections comes up a lot. there's a perception that there's more and more corrections in the times. people wonder if it's a good thing because this is the paper of record as it's called. does that mean they're making more mistakes. you say it's a good thing. why? >> it's a good thing. everybody makes mistakes. the "new york times" runs many -- hundreds of stories a day and there are bound to be mistakes big and small. i think the important thing is to correct them and to correct them quickly. so i give the times a lot of credit for doing that. >> i asked readers for questions for you on twitter. here's one from christina in boston. did you ever get the top editor or another editor to admit they screwed up? any successes on that front? she asked if it was frustrating to be ignored. >> i don't think i've been ignored. dean has definitely said we've made mistakes on a couple of stories. i remember when caroline ryan,

the politics editor, said in one case something was really bad and she would make it her business to make sure it never happened again. the readers, the commenters on my blog, were sort of shocked like they had never seen anything like this before. >> does she think that times improved in matters relating to public trust since she first arrived. that's what the job is all about, right, trying to encourage readers how the paper works and trust the paper. do you feel it's improved? >> it's hard for me to measure that. i do hope that the public editor's job at least keeps the lines of communication open so that if readers aren't feeling trusting of the paper there's a way to say that. >> will the job continue? at other papers we've seen this job eliminated. >> it is going to continue as far as i know and i think that the times has a short list at this point. >> interesting point. interesting tease. you're about to move to the "washington post," arch rival of

the times. what are you going to miss about the times and not going to miss? >> it's easy to come up with what i'm not going to miss which is the tension of my job because i'm in the newsroom and i feel, to some extent, a part of the paper, but i'm independent and my job is to look at it critically from the reader's point of view. so that creates a lot of tension and i'll be happy to sort of lay that burden down. so that's what i will not miss. i mean, of course there are so many phenomenal journalists at the times and so much good work gets done that it's been great to be in the middle of all that. >> when you read the paper, do you trust and believe in it more now than you did four years ago or less now that you've seen it from the inside? >> i don't think that's really changed. >> margaret, great to see you. coming up next here on the program, should a 9-year-old be covering a murder? a local homicide goes viral but not because of the crime but because of the age of the reporter and questions over whether it's appropriate for her to have been writing about it at

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welcome back. hilde lysiak was tipped off to a big scoop last week, a murder in her small pennsylvania town. she headed to the scene and broke the news and quickly found out it was a gruesome crime. >> hilde lysiak reporting where a man allegedly murdered his wife. i'm working hard on this ongoing investigation. >> hilda is nine years old. some said it was wholly inappropriate for her to be there, that she would be better off playing with dolls or having tea parties. so she fired back. >> i know some of you just want me to sit down and be quiet because i'm nine.

but if you want me to stop offering news, then you get off your computer and do something about the news. >> when this story went viral, thanks to a "washington post" report, i loved it. i started building websites i was the relatively old age of ten. i was reporting on nintendo games. i didn't think my parents would let me start covering crimes. so i asked hill dee and her mom. >> thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you. >> when i was just a little older than you and building web payments at my home, people always wanted to know how much my parents were involved, how much my parents were helping me. so you tell me, how much are your parents helping you with your website? >> well, my dad does the printing and the layout. my mom sometimes helps me with the fiction stories. >> but the rest is all you, huh? >> yep. >> you've been inspiring so many

adult journalists this week. i've been seeing so many people celebrating you. people are really inspired by what you do. so how is it that you started this? >> well, i went with my dad a lot. he's a reporter and i went with him on stakeouts and stuff and i realized that that's what i wanted to do. and so i started, like, handwriting a little paper for my family. i did like ten copies a day with crayon and i realized that my hand was hurting and it didn't really get me anywhere. so i told my dad that i wanted to start a real newspaper, and he said that he would do the printing and the layout as long as i did all the writing and reporting. >> what is it about writing and reporting that you find so fun? >> well, i like getting people the information. >> and what's the best story that you have covered so far? >> i did a murder recently. i thought that was really cool.

>> now, i know some people were criticizing you online saying you should not be at a crime scene. why were they wrong? why was it appropriate for you? well, hmm, just because i'm 9 doesn't mean i can't do certain things. what if someone told you that you couldn't be a reporter because you're a boy? >> i used to pretend i was older than i was but when you're at a crime scene, you can't pretend not to be 9 years old. how do you get sources to take you seriously? >> people e-mail me tips and one time i got a tip from a good source that was able to confirm. i went straight to the scene and knocked on doors of -- neighbors doors for more information. >> let me see if i can bring in

your mom as well. i know she's with you there at home. i'm curious to hear from her about this recent murder story. mom, this must have been a strange few days, national media attention about you and your daughter, people suggesting that somehow you and your husband are bad parents by letting her cover this murder. what do you say to that? >> i would say certainly we're not bad parents, first of all. and i think it's a testament to good parenting that we let hildy perfect sue her passions. she was perfectly safe. the police are at the crime scene. can't think of a safer place to be. she is doing what she loves and that makes us great parents supporting her. >> when we see young kids performing as actors or in beauty pageants, people wonder if the stage moms are the one behind the scenes. is there some element to that with this, with hilde? >> no. before she heard about the

homicide she was in town, participating in a chocolate stroll. i was chasing after her as she was trying to wipe the chocolate from her face. that's about as stage mommy as i get. i don't even know if i was completely successful. but i would say there's no element of stage mom behind this. i want her to do what she wants to do. >> is there any story you wouldn't let her cover at age 9? >> certainly. we do check her e-mail. she is supervised. there have been plenty of stories really. recently there was somebody that e-mailed with a very complicated story about child abuse. and, you know, not only was the story too complex, really, for hilde to handle in terms of government agencies, we really felt like the subject matter was not appropriate for her. some people don't realize she's 9 either when they e-mail her. >> there's been admiring comment bus this criticism as well.

i wonder if you feel like you have to try to protect your daughter from sort of the online nastiness that can happen whenever someone is writing or reporting. >> well, i don't so much feel like i need to protect her. i mean, to a certain extent. clearly, if somebody wrote something that was heinous and completely inappropriate or violent, we wouldn't share that with her. aside from that, we're big believers in truth around here. and that kind of comes from both sides. hilde reports the truth. she finds that important. and we find it important to share with her also what's going on. and i feel like she can deal with it. i mean, i feel like she has shown everyone that she can handle the criticism. it really sort of rolls off her back. she's a very confident kid. and we're very grateful for that. >> so, hilde, what's going to be in the next issue? >> well, you're going to have to find that out by reading it.

>> that's a great answer. 20 years from now when you're up to my age, where do you want to be as a journalist? where do you see yourself? >> keep doing my paper and i'm working on writing a book with my mom. >> first book, maybe at age 10. that's pretty impressive. thank you both for joining me. thank you for talking to me. >> thank you for having us. >> thanks for having us. >> i have a feeling there are hundreds of hildes out there. i'm rooting for them. why al jazeera mattered, right after the break. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services - all with dedicated, responsive support. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you're free to focus on growing your business.

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