"smerconish" and 6:00 follow ee special encore presentations of the cnn town halls, the kasichs at 77:00, the trumps at 8:00, the cruzes at 9:00. i'll be back next weekend filling in for poppy. see you then. ♪ i'm michael smerconish. a really big story has just broken. the saudis are threatening to dump billions in u.s. investments if we allow american courts to hold them responsible for 9/11. is the saudi action driven by

their concern that the 28 crucial pages from the 9/11 congressional commission report may finally be released? the co-chair of that committee bob graham is here. plus, donald trump is angry saying the delegate system is rigged to ignore actual voters. does he have a point? plus, behind the scenes in the gop delegate fight, i'm going to talk to sean spicer, ted cruz's delegate wrangler, and two members of the rnc rules committee. but first, stunning news today on the front page of the "new york times," pulitzer prize winner mark ma setty says saudi arabia has told the u.s. government that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars of american assets if our congress passes a bill to allow the saudi government to be held responsible for the attacks on september 11. the article states the obama administration has been lobbying members of congress on the side of the saudis and

this news comes just four days before president obama travels to saudi arabia. it raises a concern that i have often spoken about, an inexcusable lack of transparency. here's what you need to know. the 2004 report of the 9/11 commission concluded there was quote no evidence that theaudi government as an institution or senior you saudi officials individually funded the organization of the 9/11 plot. but two 9/11 commission members, former senator bob kerrey and former navy secretary john lehman, have both told me on my radio program that the commission did not exonerate saudi arabia. and before the work of the 9/11 commission, there was a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks which were perpetrated by 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were saudis, as was the master mind osama bin laden. 28 pages from that report have never been publicly released and some who have read them say that

they cite evidence saudi officials living in the united states played a key role in the plot. the allegation is that a saudi government agent named omar provided assistance to 9/11 hijackers. president obama has long promised to unseal these documents, but he hasn't. and that's a disgrace. never forget that's the refrain we often repeat with regard to the events of september 11. but until there's full disclosure and total transparency about what occurred, the words a an empty promise that are made to the victims and their families. i'm joined now by a key player in this dispute, bob graham, the former governor of florida. he was chair of the u.s. senate intelligence committee. he co-chaired the congressional inquiry. will you please react, senator, to the news that the saudis have made this threat? >> michael, i'm outraged but not surprised. the saudis have known what they did in 9/11, and they knew that we knew what they did, at least at the highest levels of the u.s. government.

and they've been acting because we have taken no response to their complicity in the murder of 3,000 americans with a sense of impunity, that they could do anything they wanted to with no sanction. and now that impunity has expanded to their trying to lobby the highest levels of the white house and the congress to preclude their being in a court of law a determination as to whether saudi arabia was a co-conspirator. it is outrageous. >> complicity is an awfully strong word for you to use. why in the world would the obama administration be lobbying congress on the side of the saudis in this dispute? >> i can't answer this question, and i think that's a question that should be asked.

i hope that this disclosure as well as the statement that was made earlier in the week that they are in the final stages of reviewing the 28 pages to make a determination as to whether that should be disclosed, will motivate the administration to change its policies and say, our primary responsibility is to protect the citizens of the united states of america and in this case the citizens who suffered the grievous loss of 9/11 for which they have received no justice. >> senator, you know that the saudis have said, we, too, want the 28 pages released. i've always thought that was a smoke screen. doesn't this story today where they are threatening to sell their assets in the united states show that they are doing so because they don't want the 28 pages released? >> well, i think what the saudis had was an understanding with

the united states that whatever the saudis indicated they wanted was a sham, that what they really wanted was to keep this matter away from the american people and that they would use the commitment of the united states government to do so as their cover to say, we want to have the full information disclosed. and let me say one other thing, michael. >> please. go ahead. >> we talk about the 28 pages. they're important. but there are thousands of other documents which relate to the role of the saudis in 9/11 which also have been withheld. i think the president ought to make a commitment to release all the information, to be totally transparent with the american people as to what the saudis did so that as we go through this what's going to be a rocky period of our relationship, at least all sides will be dealing from the level of truth as to

what actually happened. >> i expect that if i, as an american citizen should ever be afforded the opportunity to read the 28 pages, that i won't see a smoking gun. but it's a principle of transparency that has driven my advocacy for this. you've read the 28 pages. why have you been such an advocate on this issue for disclosure? >> well, i agree with your first point, transparency. but also, i believe there is material in the 28 pages and volume of other documents that would indicate there was a connection at the highest levels between the kingdom of saudi arabia and the 19 hijackers. i believe that the plot would not have occurred but for the support and protection that the hijackers were receiving -- >> wow. >> -- primarily from saudi a arabia.

>> final question for senator graham. isn't this about the saudis wanting to have it both ways? they cut a deal to try to keep terror outside their border? >> yes. and part of that deal with the wahhabist was to spread that extreme form of islam through mosques and through schools called madrassas. and the result of this is that they have been supplying to terrorists organizations now for three decades a constant flow of particularly young male saudis and others from places like pakistan who have been trained in jihad who have seen concepts like tolerance and compromise be smerched and therefore the terrorist organizations have had the dual benefit of saudi money and saudi-trained recruits.

>> senator graham, thank you for being here. thank you for your courage on this issue. i really appreciate it. >> thank you very much, michael. >> terry strada's husband worked in the world trade center and died on september 11. she's now the co-chair of 9/11 families and survivors united for justice against terror. they've been pushing to punish the saudis his did not come as a surprise to you because you were questioned for this story. is that fair to say? >> yes, that's true. i was interviewed for it. >> react to it. >> i'm shocked what's going on here. do the saudis really have that much influence on our government? are they really calling the shots in washington, d.c.? are we really not able to past legislation in the congress because of the saudis? it's unbelievable. >> i said at the outset in my monologue that president obama has said on a few occasions that he would release these documents. back me up on that. >> yes, that's absolutely true. shortly after he took office he made a promise to the 9/11 victims' family members and again when osama bin laden was

taken out, he made another promise to a second family member that he would, yes, release the 28 pages. >> it makes you wonder if they are going to play hardball with us on this issue, how loyal a supporter are they in our fight against isis? >> that's a good question. you know, that's a second threat that they're making beyond taking billions of dollars out of our economy. they're also threatening to not assist us in the fight with isis. that's ludicrous. they need us pretty much more than we need them. >> it's the morning of september 11. tom is on the 104th floor of the north tower. he's working for canner fitzgerald. he actually called you. >> yes, he did. >> and said? >> the building is on fire. we've been hit by an airplane and we're going to go to the stairwells and try to get out there's a lot of smoke. he said a few other thing that's were very personal. it was horrifying. >> ever thereafter, many of us even like myself who weren't personally impacted with the loss of a loved one, you know

the refrain, never forget. but i said it's an empty promise if there are documents out there that we still haven't seen and aspects of this story that we haven't been told, what's the pitch you want to make to the white house? >> absolutely. first of all, stand by your promise and release the 28 pages. the 9/11 families have a right to know this, and so do the american people. we can't get a full understanding of what is going on right now with terrorism unless we know what happened prior to 9/11 and how it came about and how the network existed, how the money was being transferred. so really, please, stand by your promise and let's get the truth out there like senator gram said. then we can deal with it on a truthful level. right now we're dealing with crets and things being hidden and they are trying to block legislation, which all our legislation does is give the courts jurisdiction to hear our case. that's all it does and look what they're doing. they're freaking out. >> final question. i'm about to pivot to the 2016 election which you know is the dominant story all around us. >> right. >> do you have a champion among this field on this issue? have any of the five remaining

picked up your cause and said, terry strada, i'm releasing those 28 pages if president obama doesn't? >> trump has said that. he's said publicly he'll release the 28 pages. senator cruz is a sponsor of our bill, the justice against sponsors of terrorism act, so i'm sure he's supporting our legislation. >> let's get them all on the record. all five of them on the record so we can bring this to some conclusion. >> absolutely. >> yeah, i'd like to hear what hillary clinton has to say. >> i want to hear from all five. >> she signed a letter in 2003 asking george bush to declassify the pages. >> has she been supportive therefore? >> we've heard nothing. >> hold their feet to the fire. thank you. >> i will. >> tweet me on this and evening about to unfold and i'll read some of the best. as i mentioned to terry, donald trump says the gop nomination process is rigged against him. does he have a point? true gop insiders are here with me next.

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is the election process rigged against the will of the voters? that's the accusation being made about the complicated state by state rules of delegate selection on the democratic side by the guy in second place, bernie sanders, and on the gop side by the front-runner donald trump. in fact, trump wrote an op-ed freeway about vote manipulation in colorado. he said, quote, responsible leaders should be shocked by the idea and cancel elections in america if they don't like what the voters may decide. then the defensive response, each process is easy to understand for those willing to learn it. it ult falls on the campaigns to be up to speed on these delegate rules. to address questions that i have, joining me is the author of that memo, rnc chief strategist and communications director sean spicer. sean, it seems like you have a

mute ne mutiny on your hands by the front-runner. >> it's a process we've used for more than a decade and the rules each state and territory would follow last october and there is a little bit of a catch-up that campaigns have to do if they're new to the process. >> but he says it's rigged. the front-runner wrote an op ed that says your process is rigged. that's not a good thing. >> no question it's a complicated system. but it's completely fair and transpare transparent. we've been using it for decades, going on a century. it worked for abraham lincoln, dwight eisenhower, ronald reagan. the interesting thing is, look, donald trump has got 37% of the vote and 45% of the delegate. he's actually doing pretty well. he went into a state like florida that has 99 delegates, won them all because he was the highest vote getter and the state was winner-take-all. if you talk about fairness, a lot of candidates don't complain about the states until they lose

them. >> what he sees is the party hsu planting the will and regard of the electorate. doesn't he make a legitimate point? >> no, he doesn't. the republican party is more democratic than the democrats. a fifth of the democratic delegates are party bosses. all of our delegates are voted by the people. >> shouldn't a candidate who arrives in cleveland with the most wins, the most votes, the most delegates leave as your nominee? >> well, i think traditionally that's been the case but again, that's ke shouldn't the person who gets five out of six numbers win powerball? no. the answer is the rules says you need a majority. you need 1237 delegates to win our nomination. a majority wins, not a mrurhors. >> but sean -- >> yes. >> it's just here talking,

right? if you come out of cleveland and you don't have this guy's constituency, you lose in the fall. >> well, first of all, we don't do anything. this is the will of the deleg e delegates. there is 2400 plus delegates that are elected at the grass roots level. it's them. all this talk about party boss in the establishment. people have to understand the people getting elected from coast-to-coast are people that were elected at the congressional level or statewide level to go and represent the people of their state, their congressional district, their county. our job is purely as a facilitator to make sure we have a process that's open and transparent. it's up to the delegates. frankly, it's up to a majority of the delegates in every single vote to decide what we want as a platform, what rules we want as a committee and, yes, what nominee we want as a party. but those delegates and their will is what carries the day in every circumstance. >> okay. but to my point, you need the trump constituency to win the white house. >> sure. we need the cruz constituency. we need the rubio -- we need the

kasich. we need the paul. we need all of it. there is not a constituency -- look, we've lost the last two elections. in politics, you win by addition, not subtraction. we need all of that plus to win. there's no question we need to be unified. i get it. but this isn't a game of horseshoes. if the delegates select an individual with the majority of the vote, that's who that nominee will be, plain and simple, no ifs, ands or buts. it's not up to us. it is up to the elected delegates from around this country that come together and make their voice heard. >> sean spicer, thank you, as always. >> thank you, michael. >> so i just heard sean spicer tell me the nomination is up to the delegates. that's why as we barrel toward this summer's convention delegate math has become the overriding issue for all the campaigns and behind the scenes maneuvering could make all the difference. joining me now the man working the case for ted cruz, ken kuch

ene eneli, the former attorney general for virginia, now cruz's delegate operations director. you would concede, i hope, that ted cruz can't get there on ballot number one. he can't get to 1237 on the first ballot. >> no. you're thinking of bound delegates. there are an awful lot of unbound delegate that's are going to be in that convention. look at pennsylvania, west virginia, for instance, and from other states as well. there are going to be a batch of unbound delegates, and we're going to go after those immediately. we're not going to wait until later ballots. >> right. but that's my point. i do understand the rules because i'm a pennsylvanian. let me ask the question differently. do you believe that ted cruz on ballot number one can receive the requisite 1237 delegate votes? >> yes, that is possible. >> do you believe delegates have an obligation even in pennsylvania where technically it's a beauty contest and they're unbound, do you believe a delegate should nevertheless have an obligation to vote the

will of their congressional district? >> well, i think they should vote as they campaign. there are people running and saying i'm a cruz delegate. if you vote for me, i'm voting for cruz. there are a lot of other people running in pennsylvania saying if you vote for me, i'm going to vote the way my district votes. so if that's what you want, there are people out there saying that. the most important thing to me just as an american citizen is that they tell the truth, that they do what they say they're going to do. that's what i want to see. >> mr. cuccinelli, you know in a state like mine when you go in on the republican side, there's no designation. maybe the guy outside who's leafletting says, hey, i'm for ted cruz. but when you go in and close the curtain, there's no indication as to how the delegates will cast their ballot. >> right. >> i think you're saying that you don't have to necessarily follow who wins the congressional district in your eyes. you want to pick up that support nonetheless. >> well, don't put words in my mouth. i'm saying what i'm saying.

i'll be candid with you. i think pennsylvania's system is a lousy -- >> me, too. we agree. >> i really do because it's awfully hard for a voter to implement -- you know, to make a zigsz and to decision and to know it's what they want. they have to do an awful lot of research and do an awful lot of preparation and frankly, we expect them to do that because that's the system you all have and it's the one we all have to work with. so we're going to, you know, support those delegates running who say they're supportive of ted cruz just like donald trump will do the same for those who say they're supportive of donald trump. i think that's perfectly legitimate. it's perfectly fair. is it a bit chaotic in pennsylvania? yes, it is, but we're working within that system as best we can. >> okay, broader base, not just pennsylvania. and of course, new york is this coming tuesday. you would agree the nomination if you win it unless it's perceived as a legitimate process is worthless. do you have a concern donald trump's comments in the past

couple of days are undermining your ability to be perceived as winning it legitimately if you can get there? >> well, there's no question that donald trump since he has no grassroots campaign has turned his media campaign, which he does have a good version of, to essentially an intimidation effort. and part of what he's doing is try to delegitimize the process. and they do that with comments that he has said, riots in the street, his team has said, we're going to come to the delegates' hotel rooms, very intimidating, death threats to the colorado republican chairman because donald trump got swept because they didn't participate effectively. even though it was open to them to participate. those are the tactics the trump team is turning to. intimidation, it's third world and they're relying on the appearance of delegit mizing to

scare people to vote for him. and we're not going to fall for that. when we talk to delegates, what we find is they are offended by that. they are offended by that. it's affecting delegates. >> today, of course, wyoming casting ballots. donald trump i don't even think in the state of wyoming. looks like you're good to have a big day. >> you know, this has been a pattern. last weekend ted cruz went to colorado. donald trump pulled out. the weekend before, ted cruz went to north dakota, donald trump was nowhere to be seen. this weekend ted cruz is in wyoming, and where is donald trump? and yet after we win, you can bet, just like colorado, he'll complain about it. so if you're not even going to show up to contest it, quit the whining. i mean, we win, he whines. that seems to be a pattern. >> no whining tuesday, though, if donald trump scores a big victory in new york, right? fair is fair. >> nowhere have you seen the cruz campaign, win lose or draw, whine about the outcome. we're playing by the rules and

we're doing it well because voters get to express themselves that way and that's how we're winning. we're convincing american voters to support ted cruz. >> ken cuccinelli, thank you for your time. >> good to be with you. >> no whining. so that's one campaign's point of view. and now for the rulemakers. you may not have heard of the two men you're about to meet, but they're on the team that could decide the gop nominee and so possibly even the next president. they are members of the all-important rnc rules committee that meets in florida this week and has the ultimate say about those super complicated delegate rules. rnc chair reince priebus says he zchblt want the rules to subvert donald trump. glad to have you both. mr. evans, did you ever think

when you accepted the assignment that the rules committee would have as much importance as apparently itful have before cleveland? >> absolutely. the rules committee always is important. >> really? >> yes. because the rules really can dictate the outcome. look what we learned from 2012 where the romney campaign came in and put a rule in that said you had to have eight states in order to be nominated. we had one person in nomination. yes, we always knew the rules would be important. the important thing is, there's such sensitivity, especially with donald trump's comments about whether or not things are getting rigged, about whether we should change any rules. i think there's a sense of the committee that we really shouldn't change any rules so late in the process. >> you just referenced eight states. i don't know if you're relating to rule 4b. >> i was. >> rule 40b, you correct me if i'm wrong because you're the guy on the committee you got to win majority of the delegates in eight states or you can't be considered for the nomination. that would mean john kasich,

unless things really change in the next few weeks, won't be due any consideration. should rule 40b be changed? >> well, first of all, you're technically not right. really what the rule says is you must demonstrate support of a majority of the delegates of eight states, not that you have won them. >> how else do you demonstrate it? >> you can verify it with an oath or a verification. you don't have to have won the state is my point. but it really doesn't matter because the affirmative threshold is 1237. so if someone votes for anyone other than the front-runner and they don't get to 1237, that's the equivalent of a no-vote. so at the end of the day, the 1237 is what will control that outcome. >> actually, i agree with randy that the eight state rule should not be changed, known as 40b. but at the same time if we are going to do that, we must have transparency because we are operating in a super charged political environment.

we could bring up the convention as well as the republican party. that's my concern. >> the single greatest threat to us is we can't get this done in four days. just think about the process if every delegate is permitted to make a motion, filibuster, whatever. you literally have the opportunity to have a group who says, i will never support donald trump or never support ted cruz to hijack the process by a simple filibuster. >> gentlemen, you heard me speak to sean spicer. i said to him it seems like you have a mutiny on your hands. mr. evans, i'll start with you, is donald trump a runaway train as a front-runner? >> no, i don't think so at all. i think we have a long way to go to see. i do believe if he gets past 1100 the momentum will push him over the top. i think it will be pretty easy to cobble together another 111 people who want to be on the winner's team. on the other hand, i believe that he gets below 1000, we'll have a wide-open convention where we probably at the end of the day we suspend the rules in order to get to a nominee.

>> so i'm clear, you are not saying, if trump gets to 1100, then it's over? you're saying at 1100 the momentum would be such, i believe he gets to 1237? >> that's right. i call it the bandwagon effect. if you ever notice, the closer the winner gets to the finish line, the more people there are helping push them along. you'll be surprised at how many people who have been insiders forever suddenly see this is the only ticket to be in the train with this outsider, and they'll jump on the train. >> mr. yu, are you considered -- >> michael? >> i'm questioning you as a member of the rules committee. but you're a republican national committee man. you want to win. surely you're concerned that donald trump wrote this op-ed in the "wall street journal" and is now at odds calling this a process that's rigged. >> that means we need a transparency again. as a matter of fact, i disagree with what randy said. the threat is delay, delay, delay. actually, the real threat is lack of transparency and chair

make decision on his own without consulting a majority of the delegates. and then you blow up the convention and you blow up the republican party and you lose in november. i want to win as well. so that's why my disagreement with randy is really about winning being november by respecting the majority. >> mr. evans, respond to that. >> i totally agree with sol man. listen, sol aman and i have been on the rulz committee together and we're on the same page. i believe in transparency as well. i just don't believe you can change the rulz in tes in the m of the game. >> randy, randy, no, we are not changing the rules of the game. we bring more transparency to the process. and that's more important. you and i agree we're not going to change our nominating rules and eight-state majority is going to stay. however, whatever we do, we don't want chairman, presiding

officer, empowered. we want grassroots and delegates, majority of them, to make that decision to be empowered. >> and at the end of the day, the delegates will have that opportunity. if they want that increased level of transparency or they want robert rules of order, that will be an option that will be available to them when the rules package comes to the floor. but it's not something that we on the rules committee should dictate in advance. >> i disagree, randy. here is the reason, michael. the reason i believe if we delay this vote and basically we deny transparency, you can't really have both ways. >> mr. evans, i'll give you the final word on that. >> actually, i'll say the same thing to delta when they say, do you want to get there safely or on time? i say both. we need to plan for both possibilities. >> i have to say from the outside looking in, gentlemen, i think we've just seen in a snapshot, in a window that you have given to us on cnn, the

difficulty faced by republican national committee members in resolving this framework before cleveland. >> thank you for having us. solom solomon, thank you. >> thank you, michael. >> thank you for being here. >> going to be an interesting summer. tweet me your thought thoughts @smerconish. coming up, voters are angry because of the economy and candidates are trying to appeal to them by attacking the rich or president obama or the gop. who's really to blame? here is a tweet. # voters of each state should decide and not have their decision changed later by these delegates. yeah, a more direct election. that's the issue.

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system. >> bought and sold by their special interest. >> the american people have a right to be angry. >> we've had it. we've now had it. >> as those clips show, one thing that the outside candidates, trump and sanders, agree about is anger about the economy and the rich getting richer. but who's to blame? is it president obama, outer fablgts that during his term the republican-controlled congress has been stymieing any legislation that would help the working class. joining me is the former chair of president obama's council of economic advisers who is now a professor at the university of chicago's booth school of business. professor, are they strange bedfellows? are there commonalties between that which trump and sanders are offering in terms of economic proposals? >> it's kind of an interesting point. i think there are certain parallels, but they are definitely strange bedfellows. >> in what regard? >> well, in the regard that i don't think they like each other at all. i think if you asked the two candidates, if you asked

sanders, what do you think of trump or trump, what do you think of sanders? they would say, i can't stand him. i'm totally opposed to him. yet on several of their diagnoses, it does seem like they're pointing to some of the same things. >> you know, there's been a lot said in this cycle about the voter anger that exists and who's to blame for t plight of middle-aged white guy whoz are working class and haven't seen job opportunities grow or wages grow. i know you read the ratner piece in the "new york times" earlier this week where he said, look, you can blame the gop because they thwarted efforts the administration was trying to put forth to boost the plight of those individuals. >> you know, i know steve ratner. i worked with him in the administration. i think that's way oversimplistic. as much as i wish the republicans had passed the policies that obama proposed, it's worth remembering that

the rise in inequality has been going non-stop in the u.s. since the late '70s. so i think there are some bigger forces at work, and i don't actually think that's what led to the rise of trump. i think maybe you could give that explanation to the supporters of sanders, though i would emphasize it's mostly young people, a lot of young supporters, not really middle-aged white guys upset. in trump's case, i think it's got this whole social dimension that is not -- it's not primarily about economic wages that, as i say, have been trending this way for decades. i think it's about what happened to a world in which guys like us, you know, female talk show hosts don't ask questions and challenge us in public, and protesters don't come to our meetings. what happened to a world where we kind of run things and people do as we say? and that world is not coming back. i mean, the demographics have

changed in this country so i think there's a permanent anger of the trump people that's not going away. >> is the short version that a common denominator of the technical revolution and globalization have really driven the loss of jobs in that part of the economy? >> i think so. and i think the technology part has been a much bigger component than -- if you asked essentially sanders is making the argument that banks have caused the problem and trump is making the argument that it's foreigners of every stripe, immigrants and trade. and i don't think either of those is really the big driver. >> let me ask you about another presidential candidate, ted cruz. my understanding is that when he was at princeton and you were at yale, you debated him. how do you get his goat if at all possible on a debate stage? >> i used to beat up on old ted

on the debate stage. and i said, my goodness, if ted becomes president we'll get audited every year at the very least all the time for how i used to tease him. the thing was at that time i don't know him that, i usually found if i made fun of him that would work because he didn't have a great sense of humor. >> i know austin goolsby is far removed from donald trump economic propels and you got to give trump credit on the debate stage against cruz given cruz being the champion debater with the exception of your team at yale. >> you know, there's something to that. i think there is something definitely to that, though from the second donald trump showed up on the scene i described it -- i don't think i'm wrong. i said, look, the reason trump is succeeding is that he scratches a certain itch in the

republican electorate. >> right. >> and some itches should not be scratched in public. and that has remained true. ted would have been voted most likely to succeed at plotting a coup. and if anybody is going to figure out how to take donald trump delegates, it is ted cruz. >> professor, thank you. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> the new york primary is tuesday. the candidates have been riding the subway. they've been wearing yarmulkes, eating in diners. the "new york post" has endorsed donald trumpment i'm talk to the "post" veteran political reporter fred dicker. and we've got more tweets. does my individual vote mean anything as a pennsylvanian? some delegates can vote against what the public wants. we have an outrageous system in pennsylvania. the delegates aren't tethered to the vote results, and that's wrong. it's how i try to live... how i stay active.

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and the endorsement is for the primary, not the general election. >> right, they said he needs to be better informed, more disciplined, less thin-skinned. i'm thinking okay, mrs. lincoln, the play was pretty good, though, right? >> people are walking around new york all saying that, all the candidates are flawed. you don't find very much enthusiasm for hillary clinton among hillary clinton supporters and to the extend that bernie sanders supporters are excited, the more well-informed ones know many of bernie sanders's positions would be a disaster for new york, including the attacks on wall street which produces about 20% of new york state's personal income tax revenues. >> quick final thought. i'm sympathetic to the trump kids who can't vote. i think the rules are outrageous and archaic. i know others have criticized them but you should haven't to decide nine months in advance that you want to reregister as a republican. >> well, look, the rules in new york, which a lot of people consider overly restrictive, were designed to strengthen the party system. why should people, for instance,

who don't belong to the republican and democratic party be able to cross over and vote in their primary? should you be able to register sooner in a party? sure, you can make the case. but the tradition in new york has been to strengthen the political parties, of course, the down side is the political parties are dying so it doesn't make that much sense. >> that's true. fred dicker, a real new yorker. thank you, sir, for being here. still to come, your best tweets. like this one. yeah, we all agree, the president has got to release the 28 pages, right? i totally, totally am on board. you do all this research on

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