in london on boxing day in 1918 after the armistice that ended world war i. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." let's take you live to germany right now. these are live pictures from hanover where president obama is about to hold a joint press conference with german chancellor angela merkel. they're taking the podiums now. this is one of the president's most important trips in his final year in office. we are going to monitor this event and bring you any news that comes out of it this hour. but first, a big, big week in politics and in pop culture. as the general election moves closer and closer, are the two front runners limiting interviews is and clamping down on media access? we'll examine that. plus, the consequences of kelly ripa's sick-out. this is a big story.

could her bosses at abc have prevented it with a simple dose of tlc? and has the coverage of her protest been sexist? and later this hour, remembering an icon. prince and how he never stopped trying to fight against an evolving entertainment business and control it on his own terms. let's begin with donald trump, or as he's now being called, disciplined donald. all these descriptions of trump the entertainer are looking dated. >> he's completely uneducated about any part of the world. >> i just think this is just an extension of his reality show "the apprentice." this is just theater. >> we are not electing an entertainer in chief. >> he's a classic reality tv character. >> he's an entertainer. it's not what a leader does. >> but at the end of the day, he's still a [ bleep ] clown. >> now, meyers, was about a month old. here's what trump's newly hired

senior adviser paul manafort was recorded saying to the rnc. >> as we present him in more formal settings, as opposed to the settings on the campaign trail, you'll start to see more depth to the person, the real person. you'll see him in a different way. that's how we deal with negatives that relate to the personality. >> what's amazing is trump is talking to candidly about it. in tv and in theater, they call this breaking the fourth wall. you, the audience, you're the fourth wall. the screen is the fourth wall. he's tearing it down. he's talking openly to the audience about his show, acknowledging that parts of it are a performance and he has to tweak his act for different audienc audiences. watch this, see what i mean. >> i sort of don't like toning it down. i'm going to talk about that in a second because it's interesting. isn't it nice that i'm not one of these teleprompter guys? well, first of all, if i was,

i'd have an audience of about three people here in the front. this is the biggest crowd in the history of this school. when i'm in a room talking -- when i'm out here talking, i've got to be different. paul said, no, he's different when he's in a room. then he goes out and speaks, it's different. if he gives policy, that's different. we all have -- we're smart people. you act differently. >> so to put this in media terms, if we call what's going on the trump show, it's been an unscripted reality show that's been airing ever since june. what happens when it turns into a scripted drama? or if you oppose trump, you might call it a scripted comedy. how should journalists approach it and report on it? how will trump supporters and the partisan press react? joining me now, molly hemingway, a senior editor at "the federalist." hannah cox, reporter for mtv news. and carl bernstein. thank you, all, for being here.

carl, let me get your take on this first. do you believe it? do you believe when we hear from trump advisers that he's going to be toning down his rhetoric? >> no. look, this is all an act. this is trump being trump. the idea right after his victory in new york, we've started saying -- all the analysts on tv were saying, oh, this is a new presidential trump. this is nonsense. this is part of the persona of trump, which is to make monkeys of the media, stay away from the real issues, and go deep and let us all talk about him at the dinner table night after night after night. media has been central to donald trump's asen dense in the business world. he continued to do it. >> molly, are we all monkeys? >> there are other candidates

who are broken the wall, they just do a bad job. >> like who? >> president george h.w. bush had that message, we care. trump does pull it off. it's interesting how much he's able to control the media. so many people are willing to carry this message that this 68-year-old man, who's been remarkably consistent throughout his entire public life, even if that consistency is quite volatile, is suddenly changing or evolving. i think that the media should require a little bit of substantiation for that claim. his issues that he actually cares about trade and immigration, he's been very consistent on. the ones he doesn't care about, social policies, he still doesn't want to talk about them. he's still insulting reince priebus and calling him a thief and coming up with these schoolyard taunts for his opponents. so i don't think there is much change. >> anna, what do you think? do you agree with molly and carl? >> i do. i think maybe it's a bit of a boring panel here. >> no, it's good for us to be skeptical. that's the point i wanted to make. when we hear paul manafort say

he's going to change his ways, we have to apply a lot of skepticism to this. >> i think then it's a very good panel. what i think is happening here is donald trump has given us a plot point to discuss in this discussion about whether or not he's going to be able to change. the reality show has got an little boring. the new question is, can he stop being a jerk? we might get a montage of sorts. maybe with, you know, a mirror and some music so that he can go through his different outfits and maybe a training regiment. then we see whether he succeeds or not. it's a classic reality show. >> that's so interesting what you said about him giving us a plot line. he's giving us another plot line. frankly, i have seen some fatigue when i watch tv, read the papers. there's a little campaign fatigue. maybe trump is aware of that. >> oh, i think he is. >> can i make a suggestion? >> carl, go ahead. >> i want to make a suggestion that we've been talking about the wrong thing for a long time in this election in terms of media. that is it's time to do some

real reporting, particularly in cable news, particularly the network news, some real investigative reporting on these candidates, especially trump, especially hillary clinton, especially bernie sanders. why has there not been a single, to my knowledge, investigative biography on any network of any of these candidates to date? why do we continue to let the candidates make our agenda st d instead of making our own? we've got great resources. we're not using them. where's the investigative biography of hillary clinton? >> i was going to say i think there are outlets doing good work on trump. "business week" had a good piece out. >> i'm asking about television. >> well, there are other mediums out there. we can talk about it on tv right now, like i'm doing, which is to say there's a good piece about trump vodka and what a failure it was. "fortune" did a long investigative piece on a lot of

different aspects of trump enterprises. he's really willing to accumulate a lot of bad debt very recklessly. he also values his own name literally above all else. the information is out there. i think we should talk about it here. i agree. i think it would be great if cable television did more of that kind of stuff. but i just wanted to make sure we bring it up here. i also want to point out that the sort of -- talking about his personality, talking about how offensive trump is, to me, isn't as important as talking about how some of his policies that he says he's serious about are actually fantastical. they're surrealist. you can't deport 11 million people. the wall is too expensive to build. you can't institute a mercantilist policy. we jump on the racist and bigoted things he says and let him get away with talking about stuff that's just not possible. >> an example, i believe a few weeks ago he talked about getting rid of the national debt

in eight years. more recently in an interview this week, he suggested he would not do that. maybe over ten years he would start to make a dent. so there's a clear flip-flop there. we could use the techniques of television, as jon stewart used to do on "the ldaily show" to show that flip-flop. i think that's why jon oliver has broken through lately. we're talking about investigative journalism here. let's talk about the clearly partisan media. people like sean hannity who are rooting for a republican win. there's been a lot of controversy about him being too pro-trump. he's bristled at this, but ted cruz has criticized him for this. i wonder whether a toned down trump would be received well for those rooting for a provocative trump. >> we think about conservative media and how they're helping out trump and conveying

misinformation. i reported on the dredge report. that was something sean hannity carried. we're not focusing on how they're biassing stories that help liberal candidates as well. last week, ted cruz was on a town hall on msnbc. he was talking about those planned parenthood videos. the moderator interjected and said that those videos included -- that they were made up and included re-enactments. that's flatly not true. that's also misinformation that biases. this week, i covered a hearing on the hill that totally vindicated those videos. i don't think we see the media covering stories like that. we're so focused on how conservative media are helping out trump and the like, but we don't think about how mainstream media that has an obligation and presents itself as objective are helping out hillary clinton and the causes near and dear to her. >> carl, do you agree on the media helping out hillary clinton? >> no, i think the candidates who have been helped by the media, particularly by cable

news, is donald trump in terms of the amount of free air time, his rallies particularly, have been given. i think it's been egregious. it's getting a little better now, but we need to be cutting more to trump rallies to hillary rallies to bernie rallies if we're going to really do this. but i keep coming back to we need to be presenting who these candidates are on our air beyond these talking head discussions of which i'm often a part. we need some framed pieces that give real depth to the issues raised by the candidate, to their records. where is a five-part series on why is hillary distrusted and is it justified? where is a five-part series on donald trump and his business record? we have the resources to do that, and we on cable and the network news, it's where people are going. we need to change our agenda a bit, particularly as we get into the general election. we're late getting out of the gate on this.

but it's time we do it. we recognize the responsibility to do it. >> so you're saying go to the tape. use the videotape. molly, anna, carl, thank you all. >> we can keep doing the talking heads, but let's do some more. >> i'll take a break here, but i appreciate you all being here. thank you very much. >> thank you. up next here, something you should know about how trump, hillary clinton, all the other candidates restrict our access. you see this picture here of the famous rope line from last year. so who's the most accessible, and who's the worst? a top news executive will join me for a must-see interview right after the break.

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welcome back. hillary clinton's commanding victory in the new york primary this week had commentators starting, just starting, to talk about bernie sanders in the past tense. we'll see what this tuesday's primaries bring. i think we'll see the clinton campaign maybe start to talk that way as well after tuesday. but look at this. already "the washington post" saying her nomination was all by assured. he started looking ahead to the veep stakes. this morning's "new york times" takes it a step further. on page one, the clinton campaign begins considering running mates. let me take you behind the scenes a little bit. people close to clinton clearly provided information for that story, anonymously of course. not the campaign necessarily, but people that support her that want to see that story published. as david axelrod said on twitter, the aides and supporters are sending a message to sanders, it's over. now, whether it is or not, my

next guest says clinton is already acting like she's president, in a way that makes trouble for reporters. brian is the vice president for u.s. news and the associated press. he joins me now. thanks for being here. >> happy to be here. thanks for having me. >> we spoke on a panel together this week. you said that clinton access is very, very difficult. the reporters are not able to ask questions very often to her. tell me how she's already acting like a president in that regard. >> it was my colleague julie, who's our white house correspondent, who had the line. though she's already in the presidential public, she's conducting her campaign the way that a president conducts business. the way the presidents have conducted business over the past three administrations from a media perspective in terms of access for journalists has gotten progressively worse. >> worse and worse with each administration. >> that's absolutely true. so we're looking, you know, for clues from the candidates about what the next administration is going to be like. by any objective measure, the clues are not great. clinton travels on her own plane. the reporters travel on a separate plane. they're often spending the night in different cities.

fundraisers are completely closed to the media, which is a departure even from how president obama has conducted business. usually reporters are allowed to at least listen to his remarks before they're ushered out of the room. for hillary clinton, that's not been the case. but i certainly don't want to single out the clinton campaign. i would say this has kind of been the case across the board. >> what about donald trump? he seems accessible, does lots of tv interviews. this is weirdly his third sunday where he's not doing a sunday morning show. he's still doing lots of tv interviews is, including the "today" show this week. >> yeah, for sean hannity, he's very accessible. for the reporters who cover him day in and day out, who are the people who know the campaign, know the issues the best, they have very little access to him at all. there's almost a hostility toward the press. the reporters are kept in a pen pretty far from the candidates. >> a literal pen. that means a physical pen that they're not supposed to leave.

>> often with police barricades around it. at some point during a lot of rallies, trump kind of animates the crowds angered by the media calling them scum. for the reporters, that can feel like a fairly hostile environment. it's a different story with trump, but it's not necessarily any better. >> so it's a different story with clinton. i spoke to a campaign spokesman this morning. he said, we grant far greater access than people realize. we've given 100 interviews and appearances since january. some of those were on entertainment shows like "ellen." they say they're always looking for ways to improve. what would we say to the clinton campaign about ways to improve access? >> what we're lacking are those illuminating. to be able to have a conversation with a candidate on the plane going from one campaign to another, that doesn't exist anymore. >> really? doesn't exist? >> very rarely. those interviews that they're talking about, those have been under very controlled circumstances and not necessarily with the traveling press that are covering the candidate. again, those are the people who

know the issues the best, who are there day in and day out, who are talking to the same voters that the campaign is, but they've had very little access to the candidate over the course of this campaign. >> bottom line here is the administration in the white house is not nearly as transparent as journalists would like, and it could get worse. >> yeah. >> i have to embarrass you a little, congratulate you for winning a pulitzer prize. winning the public service gold medal. the most coveted price of all for an investigation into southeast asia's fishing industry. actually, slavery there. this led to the release of more than 2,000 people. so what did this win mean for you personally as an editor of the ap? >> thanks for saying that. i accept the congratulations on behalf of the whole ap. the reporters who worked on this project have worked very closely with them over the years. i have such deep respect. they're so committed. they do what we do for all of the best possible reasons. it was this really magical moment. three of the four were in new york on monday when it was announced. there were hundreds of people in the room. it's just so meaningful to the

whole ap. public service is the ap's reason for being. the ap has won 52 pulitzer prizes. this is the first one for public service. it was very meaningful. the work these journalists did, all of us who do this for a living, are awe struck that in 2016, 2,000 slaves can be freed by journalists. >> nice to highlight the best of our industry. brian, great to see you. one more note about access. reporters without borders just released this an junual survey ranking treatment of members of the press. the united states ranked 41 this year. that's an improvement from 49 last year. a lot of countries, including canada, way above us on that list. this survey is a reminder that journalist jobs are getting tougher all the time. the group cited a climate of fear and paranoia about reporting among too many world leaders. up next on "reliable sources," we all know the phrase follow the money. we're going to follow it to pennsylvania and maryland, where the candidates are waging a war for delegates on the tv air

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this tuesday could be another huge tuesday for hillary clinton and donald trump. they have double-digit leads in a majority of the five states where voters will cast their votes. now, while both clinton and trump are projected to win big, it doesn't mean it's a done deal. i want to explore how the national media is covering these contests versus the local media in these states. i'm joined now by reporters, columnists from two of tuesday's two primary states. thank you, both, for being here. selena, i want to ask you first about pennsylvania. tell me how it's different locally versus nationally in the coverage. >> well, the voters have had a pretty good understanding since january when we first reported

that the republican primary process is decided basically by the delegates that you pick. of the 71 delegates that go to cleveland in june, 54 of them are unbound on the first ballot, meaning they could go for whoever they want to. so people have to understand who each delegate supports as they go into the voting booth. they can vote for up to three of them. the majority of them in the state our newspaper has called -- all 162 of them -- the majority of the ones running in the state have said that they will go whichever way their congressional district goes. although, i will caution you, the real fight to win those delegates over begins on wednesday after the primary is over. >> this makes the coverage a lot more complicated, doesn't it, because of this system in pennsylvania. >> yeah. >> i was in philly yesterday watching local tv. i heard a lot of trump ads.

i heard the make america great slogan a lot. i wonder, david, for you, as a marylander, are you seeing a lot of political ads as well? i had a viewer on twitter just now tell me they're seeing lots of local ads in maryland but no national, presidential ads. what about you? >> brian, we do have some presidential ads. for example, friday afternoon our super pac, i was able to confirm 200,000, probably about a quarter of a million dollars on the anti-trump ad with women reading words of women that trump has said. that was a big buy at the end of friday. the station manager i talked to was kind of happy to be cashing that check, i think. >> i was going to say, that's a good reminder that local stations and markets like baltimore that probably weren't expecting a lot of money from candidates are making a lot of money off this primary. >> well, they weren't expecting a lot of presidential money. in fact, we almost never got it because we were so late in the process and because relatively speaking so few delegates.

we've had bernie sanders and hillary clinton ads running. the big money in this, we have a mayor's race, brian, that's really important. it comes literally the day -- on the 25th and the 27th of april last year, as you know, we had riots in baltimore. on the 26th, we vote for a new mayor. this is a huge election for us. 13 candidates, 6 of them have been on television, some of them -- one candidate spent over a million dollars on local advertising. >> and you made an interesting point to me earlier. you said old-fashioned flyers, attack ads printed out are having an effect. we talk about social media a lot. >> yes, and that's fascinating because all the talk about digital democracy, social media, how it's going to improve democracy, what the story is in baltimore especially is money and tv and attack ads. in this final week, attack flyers. they're cheaper. you can do one for $15,000.

you can say stuff you wouldn't say on television. you can sort of go under the wire. we've been all over them. it's really nasty stuff. brian, what's disheartening about it is in this crucial election where we have to imagine a better future for baltimore, our debate now, our civic conversation about the mayor's race is about attack ads, super pac money, and who's a bigger crook than the other crook. that's so disappointing. meanwhile, we have a candidate like ray mckesson from black lives matter who was in ferguson and baltimore. he's marginalized in this debate. by the way, he raised all his money on crowd pac. $255,000 i think it was. he did all the right stuff in terms of disclosure that we say we want. he's marginalized. >> trump not the only one rewriting the rules of politics. quickly, is there anything like that on the local level in pennsylvania? >> no, most of the ads in pennsylvania are national ads.

we don't have any big races going on in the state outside of attorney general. but the big focus in pennsylvania right now are the presidential elections. ted cruz and john kasich i both interviewed this week. they've been sitting down and trying to win those delegates over. >> we're talking about access in the last block. sometimes national access is limited, but local access to candidates does get better in these moments. selena, david, thank you both for being here. sorry, i'm out of time. a reminder, tuesday night, cable news viewership keeps spiking on these primary nights, now well into the spring. the coverage here will start tuesday afternoon on cnn. up next here, my fresh reporting on kelly ripa's protest against abc. is this a case of talent mismanagement? plus, the pop music genius of prince. innovative in so many ways, yet hesitant to some of the innovations that have changed the way most of us now listen to music. we'll explore that in detail coming up.

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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. everyone in the tv world is buzzing about kelly ripa, and it's because of what she didn't do. she skipped work this week in an act of protest. she was furious with her abc bosses for moving co-host michael strahan off her talk show and more importantly for keeping her in the dark about it. strahan is moving over to "gma." ratings for the morning show have sagged, and those abc bosses believe that the former super bowl champion will help the show regain lost ground. and it makes a lot of sense, but no one told ripa until 30 minutes before it leaked. she felt profoundly disrespected. my sources say she was beyond angry. now, we found out this weekend she is coming back to the show on tuesday. so now everyone's curious about what she will say about this dispute. you might just say this is a squabble between a bunch of multimillionaires, but you also might view it this way. as a case of another female television star being mismanaged

by mostly male executives. think about barbara walters or deborah norville on "the today" show. all those names come into mind. in this case, ripa's complaints are about abc chief ben sherwood and bob iger on the right. on one of the days she skipped work, she carried a bag while leaving her home. look at the book. knowing the photographers were waiting outside. the cover of the book is "david and goliath." not even subtle, right? pretty smart pr move. joining me is the chief creative officer at the hollywood reporter and billboard media group. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> do abc executives now accept they mishandled this? >> they know this was bungled. completely bungled. you know how disney loves clean, smooth transitions. this is basically the worst possible outcome that could have happened. what we have learned is that

they let strahan drive a lot of the decision on how this would be communicated. there were concerns it would leak in advance of the announcement, through possibly kelly ripa and her camp because they wouldn't have been happy. so they let strahan be the one. it was decided strahan would be the one to tell kelly ripa, but then news leaked out early that he didn't tell her certainly with enough time that she considered respectful. now we see what happened. >> now, i wonder if you think there's a gender dynamic at play. i think there is. i think some of the coverage has sounded almost sexist, the way she's been described as being crazy about this. maybe she was very, very angry, but would she have been covered this way if she were a man? would she have been treated this way by abc? >> i don't believe this would have happened if she were a man. it's reported she's paid $20 million a year. she's a valuable, valuable asset. some might say she gets paid $20 million, so go cry in a pile of money. it is incredibly disrespectful. you've seen this happen time and again with females, that they

are going to be able to handle the bad news, they'll freak out, they don't need to be part of the decision making. it would maybe read a little differently if one of the executives in charge of this whole process was a female. but it looks like it was men playing chess, and she was left out of the game. >> one of the ben, ben sherwood, head of the television group, he's been moving up the ranks quite a bit in recent years. we think that might have been part of this, he's trying to protect "gma" of course. >> of course. no matter how much you like kelly's show, "gma" is the cash cow. it makes about $365 million in revenue. >> let's underscore that. that pays for the whole news dw division. >> it allows for them to pay for everything. kelly, on the other hand, kelly and michael, that's a show we believe makes around $30 million a year. the costs are high, largely because of the salaries they pay. you have to protect "gma."

it a syndicated show like kelly and michael, it can be syndicated, but it's never going to drive ratings. >> so people are going to wonder, what's she going to say on tuesday? you think she'll address this candidly? >> i think the e-mail that was very strategically leaked out that she sent to her staff friday night, where she said that she said she needed time to recover and we're all a team. that preshadows what's going to happen. foreshadows what's going to happen on tuesday. she doesn't want a problem. i think kelly ripa has one of the best gigs on television. she gets $20 million a year to talk about headlines and have fun. you know, this is not someone who has to fly to brussels when there's a terrorist attack. >> but i think some women who watch her show would like her to address the gender dynamics. >> what i don't think is going to happen is the ann curry moment, which would be abc's worst nightmare. that would be disastrous. i don't think she wants that

because if you look at the end result, where is ann curry today? ann curry is not on television. and kelly ripa is a huge tv star. she's unbelievably charismatic. she has a great presence. i think she would be a great presence on a morning show. >> some might wonder if she'll leave when her contract is up. >> her contract is up next year. >> that's interesting. >> this has teed up a whole bunch of possible outcomes. >> let me squeeze in a quick break. we're going to look at the coverage of prince's death and more specifically how the news broke. does tmz deserve more respect than it gets? plus, more with carl bernstein. stay with us. we'll be right back. looking for balance in your digestive system?

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welcome back. have you ever wondered what happens behind the scenes when one of the world's most famous people dies? i witnessed it first hand on thursday when a death was reported at paisley park. at first, everyone feared it was prince, but no one knew for

sure. writers and producers here started finding footage of prince and started writing an obit just in case, hoping not to use it. i was asked to hurry to a camera and be on stand by. then at 12:50 p.m., tmz said prince was dead. it cited unnamed sources. now, on twitter and facebook, the shock and mourning started instantly. some people didn't want to believe it because it was just tmz. just a gossip site saying he had died. but here's the thing. tmz has a very good track record on these stories. it was also the first to report michael jackson's death in 2009. now, most news outlets, including cnn, held off on reporting anything. then 17 minutes later, which is a long time in cable news and even longer on the web, that's when the associated press reported confirmation of his death from prince's spokesperson. and that is when the proverbial flood gates opened with special reports on cable news and network news. but is that approach outdated now? back with me to talk about this and prince's impact on media

business, janice minn and anna marie cox. janice, let me show you what "the washington post" wrote. although it's been quite reliable on many major stories, mainstream news sources are reluctant to rely on its say so alone. the news in effect doesn't become news until another source matches tmz's reporting. is that old fashioned at this point? >> there's a lot of hand wringing that goes on about this. we relied a lot on what you just said, tmz's record on these incidents. we knew there was a death at paisley park. we felt we needed to be in the news game on this story. >> that's the problem. if we pretend we don't know tmz is reporting a death, it's like we're blind or deaf. i worry that viewers and readers actually lose trust in brands when we don't acknowledge what's on the internet. >> i think a lot of mainstream

media doesn't like tmz. they don't like what they stand for. they don't like, if you read "the new yorker" piece about tmz a while about about the money they pay out to get information. >> they pay tipsters. they might have in case. we don't know. >> absolutely. i'm guessing a few people in minneapolis are richer today because of what's gone on. so we went with it, and we were very happy to have gotten the official confirmation shortly thereafter. i think you can make the argument that 17 minutes is not a long time. there's no news that can't wait 17 minutes. >> i could argue it's an eterni eternity. >> this is a new reality. every second counts. >> by the way, tmz owned by warner brothers, which like cnn, is owned by time warner. let me turn to the music business, prince's impact. anna, i want to the ask you there in minneapolis, what is the most important contribution prince made to the future of the music business? i'm really struck by how he controlled his music so tightly. >> i think that you hit right upon it. i think that he's an inspiration for artists who want to control

their catalog. his death, in fact, has sort of emphasized how much control he had over it since we can't listen to his music online. he was a true innovator online. the fact his music isn't available doesn't mean he didn't embrace the internet. he did a self-funded kick starter style album ten years before anyone else did. he relied on fans to support him rather than the music industry to support him. it gave him unparalleled freedom. i just want to say here in minneapolis, paisley park, when i was there they had shut the gates. they were only allowing mourners and not the media to approach. the history is that it was open to the public. paisley park, he would have parties there where he wasn't always there himself, but paisley park was open to the public. you could go, you could do poetry, you could paint, you could listen to music. he really created a community of free thinkers, a community of people to support him and to support each other.

i think that's his real legacy here. >> we're looking at live pictures from paisley park. in the minute we have left, janice, beyonce's album released last night. got to mention "lemonade." this is the kind of thing prince inspired. she releases then sheep puts the entire album exclusively on title which is the artist's owner streaming video. >> in one week changed the narrative of their business which it's not doing well, you have to go to title. so beyonce, this is a major coup what she pulled off yesterday. and this is what everybody is talking about. it was brilliantly orchestrated. she addressed the infidelity rue month, the break up, asked in her videos, are you cheating on me. ends with this beautiful happy scene of family. and it's -- >> then you have to go title.

>> you have to go title to hear the album. >> prince might have appreciated that move. >> he would have applauded it completely. >> thank you for joining us this morning. coming up here why trust in the media continues to dwindle. we'll bring in carl bernstein who hopefully has some ideas how we can regain it. stay with us. ♪ show me top new artist.

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welcome back. 6%. just 6% of you say you have a lot of confidence in the media. that's according to a new study by a group led by the associated press. a lot of what's behind this cliff dive, perceptions of inaccuracies, and bias and coupled what we read on social media. so what do writers and editors do to fix this. let's bring in carl bernstein. we were just talk about tmz breaking the news about prince's death. what are we to do with this media environment where you read something online and you don't know if it's correct or not? >> we still have an awful lot of great reporting. you see it particularly in old mainstream news, the "the washington post," "new york times," "wall street journal". this particular network, i think, though, i've been very critical of some things we do in terms of devoting too much air

time to one candidate or another. we're straight in how we present the news and unbiased. there's a much bigger problem. that is the people who are watching and reading us who are not looking for the best obtainable version of the truth, are not interested in unbiassed reporting, rather looking for information to reinforce what they already believe, their political beliefs, their religious beliefs, they're ideological beliefs, key to the success of fox news. no longer do we have a culture interested in the best obtainable version of the truth that we once had in this country. i think the problem is less the media than really a combination of media and our citizenry. >> it's almost as something requires a psychologist to help us address, help us understand how do we break through or get through to people that want to believe something that's inherently untrue or only believe what's in their facebook feed even if it's not that

accurate. let me read what's in the "new york times" today. one of the perils of journalism is human brains pension for sorting information into narratives. even false narratives can take on a life of their own because there is always information arriving that can confirm a narrative. is that what's happening in today's presidential race? >> absolutely. i think he was a little too easy on hillary clinton, who i've written a biography about and has had some real difficulty over the years in terms of truthfulness and openness. but really our responsibility is to get out to our readers and our viewers what is really going on. the records of these candidates as i spoke early on. we need to be doing the reporting. and that is, you know, our job is not to just give people what we think they want. our job is to present real news.

and there's a real problem in our business about doing that, particularly as we judge our audience by how many clicks we get instead of making the most important judgment that a reporter and editor and news organization makes and that is what is news. the news agenda is the most important thing we do. and there we are weak, particularly in television and we need to be going much deeper in terms of what we're giving our readers and viewers, but let's not let them off the hook. they are increasingly looking for information just to reinforce what they already think and it's one of the things that -- >> it's almost as if there's a shared responsibility, right? partly the media's responsibility, part of the audience's. carl thank you for being here. coming up against hard break. thank you for joining us this morning. that's all for this televised version of "reliable sources". our nightly news version is

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