voters about to go to the polls in five states as donald trump's rivals try to hail mary a hail mary straight out of his reality show. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. cruz and kasich team up to try to topple trump. will voters buy it, though? and on the democrats side, did a celebrity sanders supporter go too far in blasting hillary clinton? plus our national obsession. beyonce's "lemonade."

is queen bee's new blockbuster the story of a love triangle? who's becky with the good hair and did beyonce rewrite the rules all over again. we have a story behind the visual album everyone is talking about. let's begin with turmoil in the gop on the eve of super tuesday. here to discuss, two radio hosts on opposite sides. chris se gall is host of a morning show in philadelphia. he's a ted cruz supporter by the way. also john depete row, a talk show host in providence, rhode island. he supports donald trump. good evening, gentlemen. thank you for coming on. >> good to be with you. >> i want to discuss tomorrow's primaries first. so, john, you support trump. you even warmed up the crowd at the big rally there today. and of course you have your live radio show three hours a day. what are your listeners saying about all this? >> you know, the thing, don, is rhode island, you know, the new england basically normally tends to be a blue state. but things are so difficult in

rhode island. and the rhode island primary is open, so tomorrow when people go to the polls, you're going to be asked if you're an independent voter, do you want a republican ballot or a democrat ballot. and what trump is attracting are the blue-collar union democrats, the blue-collar democrats, the reagan democrats. people are so frustrated in rhode island. high unemployment. heavy illegal immigration. donald trump's message, don, has completely cut through. the state is a wreck. there's going to be record turnout tomorrow. the enthusiasm today was just tremendous. >> okay. >> you're going to see a huge turnout, and trump is going to win rhode island. i think over 65% tomorrow. >> when i introduced you, if i didn't say you were a trump supporter, people would know from what you just said. so, chris, you support ted cruz. but donald trump, i mean he is leading in the polls by double-digits in pennsylvania. will tomorrow's results look the same, you think? any surprises?

what are your listeners saying? >> no, i don't think there will be. i agree with john. i think it will probably be a rout or real close to one for donald trump tomorrow. i will say this. at least in season, and john can speak to rhode island. the thing i encourage everyone to consider in pennsylvania, as you snow, it's all about the delegates. there are 54 delegates in pennsylvania that will go to the convention uncommitted. now, many of them have since declared, and one of my colleagues on our radio station has gone to the trouble of finding these delegates and how they'll vote at the convention. that matters a lot. so trump may win big and probably will win big tomorrow in pennsylvania. but that doesn't mean 54 delegates vote for him. so that's something that cruz, kasich and trump people should keep in mind. >> everyone said this is going to be one of the more interesting ones, that you have so many unbound delegates there. rhode island is the only open primary state tomorrow where independents and democrats can vote republican. you think democrats are going to defect to trump? >> i do, don.

and the interesting dynamic here is hillary clinton had a failed rally on saturday. there's no enthusiasm at all. they had all the top leaders, the governor here, who's very unpopular. they tried to get everyone excited. there's no excitement at all. bill clinton was in the state tonight, former president clinton. no excitement. bernie sanders, don, had a rally yesterday. over 8,000 people attended. so here's what's going to happen in rhode island tomorrow. the liberal progressives, they will vote for bernie sanders. but many of the people who were democrats that normally would have gone for hillary, they're not with hillary. they're going to go with trump. so you're going to see high turnout republican party. big trump win. low turnout, democrat party. i'm predicting a bernie sanders victory. >> wow, interesting. so do you think that there's going to be a contested convention on the republican side? i mean how will voters react if a third option, right, this white knight is nominated in the party? >> you know what, don, that's not -- i don't see how that's

going to happen because i was there today. when you're with mr. trump, the exciteme excitement, he has people pumped. this is like trying to stop a tidal wave. there's no way. first of all, he's going to reach the number he has to get to. but every time he's going, you know, the enthusiasm is building. more people are coming on board. he is going to be the nominee. the republicans need to rally around him, and even this latest of cruz/kasich trying to team up and that's falling apart. don, donald trump, nothing is going to stop this train. if he can win rhode island, which he's going to, he won the massachusetts primary. this is going to be a blowout in the general election. >> chris, do you agree with that, that nothing can stop this train that he says? >> look, he like everyone has to get to 1,237. i do not under any circumstances support the idea of air-dropping someone at the convention. i mean it's down to trump and cruz. we all know that. it's a delegate game.

it's a mathematics game. i don't think anything sinister or unfair -- the only thing that's bothered me about the trump campaign is the suggestion that there's something insidious or unfair going on. it's just the way this works. you've got to get 1,237 delegates. if you don't, it's a new ball game. so if trump gets it, look, nothing would please me more than to have this thing locked up before we get to cleef land, but it doesn't look that way right now. >> he's saying the kasich and cruz working together too is collusion as well. listen to this. >> you know if you collude in business, if you collude in business or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. but in politics, because it's a rigged system, because it's a corrupt enterprise, in politics, you're allowed to collude. so they colluded and actually i was happy because it shows how weak they are. it shows how pathetic they are. >> yeah. so give me the final thought here. i'll give you the last word,

chris. what do you think? is donald trump right or wrong? >> well, you have to consider that there are a sizeable number of voters in these primaries across the country that have not chosen donald trump. if donald trump is the nominee, he's going to have to do better than just calling everybody that supports cruz and kasich part of a big lie or scheme. it's just not the case. if trump's the nominee, i'm happy to support him, but this is all on the up and up. it's all fair and square. this is the way it's been done ever since there were party rules. this is a state by state issue. that's all. >> thank you, john. thank you, chris and john. appreciate it. >> all right, don lemon. good to be with you. now i want to bring in congress worm marsha blackburn. thanks for coming in. so what do you make of this alliance between cruz and kasich? it's a bit unusual, no? >> well, i think what they're trying to do is find a way to make certain that this goes to

the convention. but quite frankly i think trump should be saying, hey, my opponents are admitting that i'm in the lead here and it's going to be tough to stop me. the good thing that is coming out of all of this is people are engaged. they're watching. they don't like the feedback. i've heard from constituents, they really don't like this alliance because they think every get out there. play your best game. let's see who has the most votes. let's get this over with before we go to the convention. let's get a nominee and move forward. >> trump says it's desperate. but i mean it does play to sort of this antiestablishment thing, doesn't it? >> well, yeah. this is an outsider year. i've said from the get-go, this is an outsider year. and this is a year that people in e electrictive office need to be listening to what the voters are saying. and the voters have said we don't like what's happening in washington. we don't like the special interest in the money and politics in the system as it is.

so we want somebody new who hasn't been a part of this. and that is instructive to those of us that are elected to serve and we need to be listening to our constituents and the voters. >> we know this outsider thing is working at least for donald trump. and in large part it's working for cruz and on the democratic side. >> with bernie sanders. >> so populist at least because bernie sanders has been in the senate a while. do you think it is too little too late that maybe cruz and kasich -- you remember because the kasich camp asked cruz this a little bit ago and they said no. >> it is too little too late. it looks as if they're grasping at the lost straws and cruz has run a great campaign. kasich's run a great campaign. we've had wonderful candidates on our side. and i think that somebody, either trump or cruz, will lock this up before we get to the convention, and then we'll focus on the issues. >> you took away my next question. so you said trump or cruz. >> yeah. >> do you think, though, with

that said, do you think this is going to be a contested convention? >> no, i don't. i think somebody is going to get this locked up before the convention. and that's what people want to see. they want us to focus on the issues. national security, job and economic security. >> is it mathematically impossible for cruz to get -- >> one would think it is, but you know what? there are all sorts of alliances and deals that get worked, and we'll see where this takes us. >> that's exactly what donald trump is fighting against. he says it's all rigged and it's dirty politics and -- >> trump may end up with the votes. we'll see how tomorrow goes. i call tomorrow the feisty five, not super tuesday. >> tell me why. >> because these are states that they're excited. listen to what they're saying about rhode island. you know, you've got record turnouts. you've got record numbers of individuals that are changing their voter registration. there is a lot of attention being put on these eastern

states, and they generally don't have that in a presidential primary. so they're relevant. they are going to have a say. they're going to weigh in on this. so i think tomorrow is going to be a very feisty -- a very feisty primary day. >> does it concern you at all about, you know, donald trump if he doesn't get the nod and his supporters maybe just walking out? what do you think that will do to the party? >> first of all, i think this is an incredible opportunity for the republican party to build a bigger tent, and they ought to be doing that. you know, go back and think about reagan. and when you read back through '76 and '80 with reagan and what transpired during that four years, and you have a lot of these reagan democrats that are coming back into the republican party this election cycle. many of them have not voted since they last voted for reagan, and they are fed up with what is going on in washington. and they're saying, okay, i love my country enough to be mad about this. i want you all to get your act

together. and they're coming back to vote. i think it's exciting. >> it's been -- >> i think it's incredibly exciting. >> it's been exciting and interesting so far. wait until the convention comes. and then of course election day. boy, oh boy. thank you, congresswoman. always a pleasure. >> good to be with you. make sure you stay with cnn for coverage of the primaries in five states tomorrow. connecticut, delaware, maryland, sn pennsylvania and rhode island. we'll be covering all the angles. you don't call it super tuesday. you call it -- >> feisty five. >> you heard the congresswoman. when we come back, did one of bernie sanders' celebrity supporters cross the line when she blasted hillary clinton. and beyonce's "lemonade." the story behind the new album everyone is talking about tonight. ♪ this is 100% useful for a 100% fresh mouth. what's it like to not feel 100% fresh?

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we're just hour as way from the first super tuesday votes. 384 democratic delegates are at stake across five states, and hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling for every last one of them. here to discuss, cnn political contributor van jones. cnn political commentator bob beckel and cnn political contributor maria. bob beckel, i'm glad you wore your lemon suspenders. >> i'll bet you are, and i'll sell them to you. >> it looks like you took a highlighter to those suspenders. hillary clinton is clearly

trying to surgeon her sights to the general election and donald trump. today she took aim at his lavish lifestyle. listen. >> at some point, if you want to be president of the united states, you got to get familiar with the united states. you got to spend time with americans of all sorts and backgrounds, in every part of our country. don't just fly that big jet in and land it and go make a big speech and insult everybody you can think of and then go back, get on that big jet, and go back to, you know, your country clubhouse in florida or your penthouse in new york. >> she's very animated, van jones. >> yeah. >> i mean she may be the front-runner, but she really hasn't wrapped up this nomination yet. why take on donald trump now? >> i mean you can kill two birds with one stone. you fire up that base when you go after donald trump. this guy's negatives are off the charts for every carbon-based life form.

but for democrats, the new territory is being charted every day in terms of just complete disgust and revulsion of donald trump. so she can fire up her own base, lift her own numbers, and also prepare herself for the general election. i think that's smart strategy on her part. >> how wise is it, maria is it for her to split her vote before nailing down this nomination because bernie sanders has had more staying power than you and hillary clinton realize. >> absolutely. but i do think it's a good strategy because if you listen to bernie sanders during this campaign, there's been plenty of times when he has gone after donald trump too. and it's a good strategy for him as well. i think it helps hillary to focus democrats at the end of the day that is our biggest challenge, right? what's going on between the democratic party, yes, it's passionate. yes, it's gotten really rowdy and sometimes it's gotten nasty. but it's no comparison to our eye on the prize, which is in november, the fight that we're going to have to fight against who i presume is going to be the

republican nominee, donald trump, is going to be ugly. and we should hold our fire power to make sure that that is our focus. >> she was going right after -- she was very animated. have you seen her like that before? >> i thought she was terrific. she kind of is in her element. i think that while not taking anything for granted, right, let's make sure to be very clear that she is fighting for every vote tomorrow in these five states that are very important. she is focused on getting all of those votes. >> i'm going to play a clip. this is from an online attack ad that clinton released this weekend. here it is. >> at the right time, i will be so presidential, you will be so bored. >> they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> i'll use the word anchor baby. >> so the woman should be punished for having an abortion? >> there has to be some form of punish nlt. >> will you condemn david duke? >> i don't know anything about white supremacist, so i don't know. >> knock the crap out of him, would you. >> i'd like to punch him in the face. >> i could stand in the middle

of fifth avenue and shoot somebody, and i wouldn't lose any voters. >> listen, bob, donald trump has his hands full with his getting his own nomination. he's in a slugfest on the republican side. how long do you expect him to stay silent about attacks like these? >> i mean he can stay silent or he can be loud. he better get used to it. there's so much tape to put ads together like that. the biggest problem is going to be what you're not going to put on. by the way, going back to hillary, look, the last thing she needs to do now after new york is have a fight with bernie sanders. it's time to start that healing process and it's not at all unusual for front-runners to turn their attention to the republican front-runner for the democratic party. so it is a logical thing to do. it's a smart thing to do. i agree with what van put it together with. but i'll tell you, trump is just -- i just can't wait. i mean it's just the guy is giving us more material than all presidential campaigns put together. can you imagine? i mean as i say, get mad about

it, don, because you're going to see it over and over out of your own words. we don't have to make them up. >> wait till you see what he does, though. >> what is he going to do? what is he going to do? >> bob, really? have you met donald trump? >> i know what they think they can do. >> nobody -- >> you've got a wounded dog like this, you can't hunt it. >> listen, i know hillary clinton knows media, but donald trump is a master when it comes to media. in the meantime, let's stick to the democratic side. bernie sanders, you know, is actually being bullied to drop out of the race, right? so but i want to talk about his supporters are complaining that they're under attack too. i want you to listen to the actor and sanders supporter rosario dawson on the campaign rally because, bob, you mentioned healing needs to beginning. but listen to this. >> we are literally under attack for not just supporting the other candidate. now, i'm with monica lewinsky

with this. bullying is bad. she's actually dedicated her life now to talking about that. and now as a campaign strategy, we are being bullied. >> van, that's not -- i mean -- >> that was hot, but first let me just say full disclosure. rosario is a good friend of mine. i think there's a picture of me and her and prince together. >> but here it comes. >> but, listen, that was a fast brush-back pitch, i think trying to stop some of the things that have been going on. it has gotten very, very tough on sanders supporters. there has been a lot of aggressive online stuff. it has got to a different level. i think she's trying to do a brush back pitch to say we're going to be doing this until california. calm it down. i think when you invoke the name of monica lewinsky, i think that's going to create more problems than you're solving if you want this party to be able to come together. >> i got to take a break.

maria, i know you want to respond. you were shaking your head when you heard it. >> i think actually, she did her candidate no favors her. i think there's a lot of bernie sanders supporters and we're seeing this in reporting that are upset about the kind of tone his campaign has taken. yes, there's a lot of bullying on both sides. i could show you my twitter feed right now in the last minute, i am sure there is some nasty stuff from bernie sanders supporters, sometimes nastier than what i get from trump and the republicans. >> we should compare twitter feeds. it might make us all feel better. stick around. when we come back, bernie sanders says he is staying in the race to the end. but what can he accomplish really?

bernie sanders admits he doesn't have an easy path to the nomination, but what's his end game? back with me now, van jones, bob beckel and maria car don't na. van, he says he's in this race until the end. at the same time, his campaign is admitting that the path to the nomination is going to be a tough one. why is he hanging on? what does he hope to achieve? >> first of all, california, which is -- you know, they vote

last and biggest, is a massive -- they're massive places there for bernie sanders. i think he wants to hang on long enough to give those people a chance to vote, give him more delegates, more leverage so when he does go to the convention, he can get some things done. some miracle would have to happen at this point. i mean, listen, everybody could get beat up on twitter when you say it, but at this point the reality is unless there is a massive collapse of the clinton campaign of historic -- you know, involving both the fbi and "the x-files." i mean i can't imagine the sorry in which she now doesn't get this nomination. he's talking about now how do you get to the convention with leverage? >> that was van jones who said that, not don lemon. >> okay. >> because you know how that is. what do you mean? media. all right. so listen. but, bob, you know, the senator -- his supporters are still leveling some pretty nasty attacks against the clinton camp. if the idea is to have a bigger voice in the party, okay, should

he dial back the rhetoric, especially considering what van just said? >> first of all, bernie can't control his crowd of supporters. this happens in a lot of presidential campaigns. but i'll tell you what i think the end game is. it's the platform. i think he's going to look for two or three platform planks which will be against the trade agreements, which will be against wall straight and may be against obamacare although i think he'd probably lose that. i think he'd like to get some planks out on the floor. then he can say i changed where the democratic party was. it was moving too much to the center. here's the bernie sanders platform planks. even though they don't mean much in the end, it will be a lot to him and his supporters. i think that's part of the end game, and he could change that. >> i want to ask you this. i don't know, maria, because you're a clinton supporter, right? but he still has to be a senator. hillary clinton is not in office anymore. if he wants to bring the party together and then let's say he

goes back to the senate and he has helped to put a republican in the white house, is that -- >> yes. i think that that is something that they have to think about. i do think, though, at the end of the day, he doesn't want to do anything that will help put a republican in the white house, which is why i really believe that he will change his tone. it doesn't mean he's going to get out. i don't think he should get out. he should go to the very end. he should absolutely go to the very end. hillary clinton did that. but i think what he should do, and i agree with bob. you can control your surrogates, but it's tough when you have to apologize for some of the crazy stuff that your surrogates are saying because it doesn't serve you. but you can also set the tone. >> let me say -- >> what we have seen also is some of the rhetoric that bernie sanders is using is being picked up by donald trump, and i don't think that that is something that bernie sanders wants to have under his belt. >> first of all, donald trump needs no help figuring out ways to insult anyone, least of all hillary clinton. so i don't think -- >> but he's taking advantage.

>> that bothers some people. trust me, donald trump, if bernie sanders only praised hillary clinton for the rest of his life will find mean things to say. that's what he does. and then also just to be fair, hillary clinton, you know, she's had surrogates that have insulted young people, young women. your surrogates sometimes get you in trouble. you got to rein them in. they've a mixed blessing. >> that's very true. >> i think if the democrats want healing, velcro takes two sides to take. we've got to be even-handed about this. bernie has made this party better. he's made this country better. he's made hillary better. frankly he's proven you don't have to stay in this fear-based box democrats have been in for a long time. >> i agree completely, van. but let me also say this because everyone is talking about how difficult it's going to be to achieve party unity. let's remember in 2008, i was there. i lived it. i worked for hillary in 2008. this is the kind of thing that you put your heart and your soul into a campaign, and your

candidate loses. your heart and soul are ripped out. you are sad. you are down, and it is tough to think about coming back and trying to support the person that beat your candidate. but guess what. it happened in 2008. do you remember the pumas, the party unity my -- right? that never really happened. but when hillary clinton left the race, 40% of her supporters were saying they would never vote for barack obama. today, it's only 25 of bernie sanders supporters who say they would never vote for hillary. >> bob, go ahead. >> i was going to say they'll come around for one real reason. all you got to do is say donald trump, and that will get people back. the other thing is i saw one of your previous guests. i would not be surprised to see an upset by sanders in rhode island tomorrow and maybe even delaware. >> let me just say one thing. one thing i think that the younger sanders supporters really don't like to hear is this kind of you guys are going to come around anyway. i think for those of us who have

been around the block, who remember 2000 or whatever, we understand it. i think the young people feel like we're saying, you'll just have to accept whatever crappie candidate we give you because the other one is worse and they hate that. i think the better case to be making to the younger voters is to point out how important their generation is to the country and that they can continue their revolution, and it's their revolution will be better if you stop the republicans and keep putting pressure on democrats. i think the way that we're talking to these younger voters i think is not working. i think sometimes it come across as, you know, shut up and get if line eventually. >> we know better than you. get off my lawn. >> and that language will change. and i also think that bernie sanders is going to have a lot to do with it, right? i think that he, again, is not going to want to be the one the people point to to say that he helped put any republican in the white house. so i think he's going to follow suit to what hillary clinton did in 2008, and come around and focus on party unity. he's got a lot to offer there.

>> i got to say, though, even when you say we know better than you, not to be condescending, but isn't there some truth to that? because i celebrated a birthday, i have the same birthday with a 70-year-old person and my, you know, much younger birthday. and he said, don, one thing that you can't be taught is wisdom. so old people have wisdom that maybe young people don't have. it's not all condescending, van. >> don, you're about to turn 60. i'd take wisdom from you. the kennedy school came out with a poll today about millennials and they are very important across the board. they do need to take over this kj. the one thing that sticks out is they hate donald trump, and i think that gives them more wisdom than anybody could possibly imagine. >> on this panel, i'm sure everyone agrees. >> let me say one thing on behalf of these young voters, though. as wise as we think that we are, as soon as you try to get your laptop to work or your dvr or anything else, you go get those young people. they know something. they know a lot.

respect the old people like y'all, all three of y'all. >> thank you. coming up, the other big story everyone is talking about tonight. beyonce's "lemonade." is queen bee's album the story of a love triangle, or is there much more to it? i say it's the second one. there's much more to it. wiback like it could used to? neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena

okay. here we go, beehive. everybody, beyonce's latest release dropped this weekend, and speculation has been running wild ever since. it's all about love. it's about empowerment and betrayal. but "lemonade" is so much more than that. here to discuss it is the editor in chief of "ebony" magazine. so good to have you here. brie peyton, millennial politics and pop culture writer. and w. kamau bell, host of cnn's united shades of america. i'm okay that you're here, but you know. >> can't get rid of me. >> everybody, everybody is buzzing about "lemonade." i want to start getting your

reactions. what did you think? >> oh, my goodness. don, the woman is a high priestess, okay? this is such a magical expression. sonically, it's nothing like anything we've heard from her. but visually, if you were to put the album on mute -- i always say album -- you still are brought into such an experience. it's ethereal. it's warm. and while it's also very aggressive in spaces, to me there's an undercurrent that just speaks to my black girl center. for anyone who's not a black girl right now, i kind of feel sorry for you because we are having an internal moment like you would not believe. >> with that said, brie, what do you think? >> i think that her album is visually stunning, and i think it's incredible to see how vulnerable that beyonce makes herself. i agree that we get to see and

here beyonce as we have not seen her before. it truly is stunning and a masterful work of art. >> kamau? >> i guess as the deciding vote, i'm going to go yes. and as a married man, when i watch the thing, it made my palm sweats because if my wife poured my lemonade in the streets, i'd be in serious trouble. >> let's take a look at a clip that everyone is talking about. ♪ we've just got to let it be, let it be, let it be ♪ ♪ this is your final warning ♪ you know i give you life ♪ if you try to [ bleep ] ♪ you're going to lose your life ♪ >> everyone is saying that this is -- what was that, kamau? >> it's the '60s. give her a snap. >> gotcha. i couldn't see you. i was looking in the camera. everyone is saying this is about

trouble at home with jay z or whatever. isn't this more about a broader statement about black women and empowerment and musical genius and she's just sort of using -- i think she's using that to get people interested. that's just my take. >> i'm one of those people who i'm not so much caught up in the narrative about her marriage even though she spends a good deal of time talking about this fractured relationship from the personal. but i think we have to give beyonce just a little bit more than that. first of all, clearly she's playing to your curiosity, right? we all want to know. >> right. >> but also i think that when you understand the complexity of a relationship and when you understand how, you know, a woman and a man or two people in any kind of love relationship exchange, that very often someone is victimized. and i think she is kind of -- this is her rally cry to say, you know, this should not happen and cannot happen. and for the beyonce -- >> to all women. >> to all women.

>> right. >> to all lovers, right? if you are -- let the beyonce in you be liberated right now. and, you know, jay z is the luckiest guy on the planet if you ask me either way. >> kamau would disagree with that right now. >> i'm serious. i mean that in every way. first of all, i refuse to believe that he is not somehow complicit with the larger fact of this project. i mean it takes a lot to put together this hour-long thing. >> absolutely. >> and i have no doubt that they are like creative references to one another. >> yeah. >> what has happened and transpired in their relationship, i'm not going to even speculate on. but i do think that he has an opportunity if, let's say, some of this is true, to save his own life. >> but i think that takes -- i think that sort of dumbs it down a little bit. that's just my opinion. i think you're right. this goes way beyond that, and we should be looking at the higher value in this and not just say, oh, is he cheating on her? >> she's a metaphoric genius as

well. so you can't miss of some of what's at play here. i don't think every time she references the ring, it's herring. >> i want to get this is because this is beyonce's features the mothers of tray john martin, derek garner, people who were killed by police officers or just black men who were killed. take a look at this. ♪ >> and that's michael brown's mother, sabrina fulton, there as well. let's look at this. okay. here's what piers morgan said. he said, i have a huge personal sympathy for both women, but i felt very uneasy watching these women being used in this way to sell an album. it smacks of shameless

exploitation. i prefer the old beyonce, the one who didn't use grieving mothers to ship records and further fill her already massively enriched purse. what do you think of that, bre? >> so i don't think that she's using these women to sell albums and make money because i think she already has enough money and she doesn't really need to do that for this. but i do think it is telling the change in tone from 2008, the year that obama was inaugurated and kind of the hopeful anecdotes that she said to piers morgan, that she was hopeful for the future and hopeful for racial tensions and relations to improve, right? those are the things she said in the interview in 2008. and today now she is reminding us that those issues haven't been fixed and a lot of promises that obama made when he was first inaugurated when he was running for president have not come true. i think she speaks for many americans who feel the same way, that obama has not fulfilled his campaign promises that he said

in 2008. so i think that it's not really an issue of exploiting these people as much as it's highlighting a problem that existed in 2008 and exists still today and has not been fixed. >> kamau? >> i don't remember hearing the word obama on "lemonade," but i need to maybe listen to it again. i think we were all hopeful in 2008, including obama, and now we've sort of been smacked in the face with reality. i don't buy that this is about obama. it's more about jay z than anybody. i certainly think piers morgan sounds like an old british wliet guy. he likes it with his black women are ser vile and want to dance. she dances in the video but she's also got a perspective. he's taking their agency away by saying she's using them as if those women didn't agree to be in the video. she didn't grab those pictures of instagram. >> beyonce is a black mother in this country. there's absolutely no way that you can look at this the way that piers morgan did and see it purely as exploit ative, she is relating.

simple as that. i just really -- you know, i resent when the piers morgans of the world even feel that they need to make commentary in moments like this. i think we're just as fine without that kind of analysis. first of all, it threatens to throw something in the mix that wasn't even there. and it smacks of a serious kind of white supremacist patriarch kiwi says my opinions matter, and your art doesn't. i'm not with that. >> yeah, if piers morgan was still relevant, he'd have this time slot right now, don. >> come on. >> okay. >> we'll continue this conversation right after the break. don't go anywhere.

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graduated to boss status, and she's now in charge of black people. that's what you say. >> i think she's leading the culture. i mean it's like i certainly think she's a voice for women and i'm happy that women have her as a voice. i think she is the most relevant pop star and she's hit that like top-level oprah status where it's like tell us what to do next, beyonce. i really think a lot of pop stars sort of go hit song, hit song, obscurity or hit song, hit song, vegas, where beyonce is leading the culture. i think it's a big deal. clearly we will have her until she's a very old woman. she's going to be relevant for a long time. >> bre do you agree with that? i agree. i think in this album, we're getting to see beyonce speak for herself and develop her own voice and get to tell her story and talk about what happened with her marriage and talk about femininity and what it means to be a feminist and behave like a feminist in today's times. so i think that her work is really important and that she

indeed sets a cultural tone for women. >> so you mentioned her marriage. you remember the whole elevator thing with solange and they said that was possibly over cheating. listen, i think this video or movie is bigger than, you know, whether it's cheating. i made that perfectly clear. but, you know, it does -- it talks about that, and if you believe that's part of it, then you believe that's part of it. she also hints at this woman, who's known as becky with the good hair. listen. ♪ you better call becky with the good hair ♪ ♪ you better call becky with the good hair ♪ >> okay. so they're speculating that possibly, possibly, allegedly may have been the fashion designer rachel roy. that has gotten -- she had to cancel an appearance here in new york. they got a hold of her wikipedia page. i think it was her instagram page had to be made private because of that.

she tweeted out that i respect love, marriages, family, and strength, noting that she wouldn't stand for bullying. she thinks that she's being bullied. i don't know if it's by beyonce or by beyonce's fans. what's going on here? >> maybe she's alluding to both, you know? i'm not a hundred percent certain. i really hate the speculation around -- i just -- you know, you parse apart the lyrics and we assign scenarios to them. sometimes you're right. sometimes you're not. there's such a greater thing at play here. we moved on from that malcolm x drop. >> you wanted to talk about the malcolm x drop. >> she's not just a feminist. she's a brat feminist. this moment, and the reason she's leading the culture, if you will, has more to do with her black identity being front and center and the politics that surround that as a black woman. so i don't think that you can extract that from any analysis of beyonce. becky with the good hair, if you ask me, also has other metaphors. i mean if the sister community,

becky also is becky. >> that means a white girl. >> yes. so, you know -- >> as a man married to a becky, i've heard that before. >> i hate that rachel has to be the center of anything at this point because that needs to stay between them. if you make your way to a beyonce lyric, i guess -- >> i just feel sorry for rachel rae. that's how big the beyonce beehive is. >> i want to talk about united shades of america now because we've been talking a lot about race, kamau. you premiered over the weekend. about 900,000 people watched. remember today's racists don't usually wear robes or burn crosses. you say comedy was one of the ways you were able to connect with the kkk members, so how did that help, and would you do that again? >> i think there's more places

we can go than sending me back to a klan meeting. i think maybe in season 8 or something if you don't mind, cnn. but i think comedy was able to disarm them literally if not figuratively. i think if you disarm them figuratively, you sometimes disarm them literally. i was able to have conversations with them and let them talk in ways you don't normally see on tv. i think that if it just ln a kkk documentary, i don't know if that many people would have watched it. >> thank you, guys. great conversation as always. that's it for tonight. make sure you stay with cnn for all-day coverage of super tuesday. good night. culinary school...?" "learn how to make the perfect macaron... come back and open your own authentic french bakery?" "i think i need credit karma too." "check out credit karma today." . .

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