later tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern. you're going to want to see this. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news, protests growing outside a trump rally in indiana tonight, on the eve of the most consequential primary election yet. we're live on the scene. and do or die for ted cruz's campaign. can he stop donald trump? one-on-one interviw with cruz coming up "outfront." plus, how donald trump is turning carly fiorina's on-stage tumble into a slam on the cruz campaign. you have to see this to believe it. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we begin with the breaking news protesters gatheringing outside a donald trump rally. his last rally in indiana before voters head to the polls.

when he begins speaking, indiana the truly most important state so far. literally do or die for ted cruz's campaign hopes. the possible king-maker state for donald trump. the two candidates are holding dueling rallies this hour. trump is about to take the stage in south bend. cruz in indianapolis. and both are trying to make their closing arguments, trying to get this down to the wire. the stakes could not be higher for both of them. the front-runner today sending this message to his bitter rival. >> if we win indiana, it's over. it's over. they're finished. they're gone. they're gone. >> now, that comes as cruz is under increasing pressure. not just from donald trump, but from trump supporters. here's what happened earlier today. cruz got in a seven-minute face-off with the trump supporter who showed up to protest one of cruz's events. >> and i'm running to be everyone's president, those who

vote for me -- >> we don't want you. >> you're entitled to your view, sir. i will respect it -- >> do the math. kasich's dropped out. now it's your turn. time to drop out, sir. >> when donald get to 1,237. >> donald is going to get to 1,237. he's going to get more. >> jim accoosta is "outfront" i south bend. you've been talking to the trump campaign. we heard donald trump say if he wins tomorrow, they're gone. they're gone. you know, look, he's been confident before. but really conveying a real sense of confidence tonight. >> reporter: yeah. th confidence level is perhaps at an all-time high right now, erin. the trump campaign believes it is closing in on a knockout punch for ted cruz. and potentially locking up this domination sooner than a lot of people expected. a top campaign official i talked to earlier today said if we win in indiana, this is a quote, we can get to over 1,400 delegates. this official went on to say

cruz can stay in this race, but his money will go away. he will start thinking about his future. so that's what they think inside the trump campaign. that's the optmistic view. it's hard to argue that kind of thinking is wrong. today in the sports-crazy state, trump picked up a high-profile endorsement the, notre dame football coach, lou holtz and hoosier indiana basketball legend, bobby knight, as good as gold in this sports-crazy state. even the state's governor, mike pence, who has endorsed ted cruz, erin, also had good things to say about donald trump. that is what happens when a candidate gets close to becoming a nominee. some of the top figures in the party start hedging their bets. it was once thought this gop nomination fight would go all the way to california. and a top trump official says a big win in indiana simply changes the math. they may not clinch the nomination here in indiana, but it may force as this official believes, ted cruz to start doing some hard thinking. now, we are in south bend.

the crowd is packed in here. they're waiting for donald trump to come out here. but erin, this is also, as you know, the home of notre dame. but if the polls are right, trump will not need the luck of the irish tomorrow. he's looking pretty good at this point in the polls, erin. >> thank you very much, jim acosta. interesting song, by the way, playing behind. you can't always get what you want, but sometimes if you try, you might just get what you need. sunlen serfaty, obviously trump is hoping that will resonate with cruz supporters. cruz is trying to fight for every vote himself. sunlen, how clear is it within the cruz campaign that indiana is do or die, as donald trump says? that if cruz loses indiana, it's done? >> reporter: well, publicly, erin, that's not something the cruz campaign at this point is going to admit outright. but there certainly is a lot of truth in the rhetoric, calling this state pivotal. they really have been pointing to this state for quite some time, it's important to their path forward. and certainly, quite frankly,

they're looking at the polls. and the polls just are not very good for them right now. so there is a sense of unease and concern on part, going into tomorrow. and it was really remarkable today on the campaign trail, his last day on the campaign trail here in indiana. what senator cruz faced. instead of focusing on his closing message, he was spending a lot of time in a lot of energy really beating back questions about his path forward, about his standing in the polls. and i thought it was note be that those questions were not only coming from reporters, but they were coming from voters. and you referenced that really remarkable seven-minute exchange that senator cruz had with those trump supporters going out of his way approaching him. it really speaks to the shift in tone, and the narrative around his campaign right now, erin, that he's fighting against. >> all right, sunlen, thank you very much. "outfront" tonight, my panel will be with us for the entire show tonight. charles blow, columnist for the "new york times," john avalon, david gergen, former presidential adviser.

barry bennett, senior political adviser. kelly ann conway, president of a pro cruz super pac. matt lewis and scottie nell hughes. you heard jim acosta saying an unprecedented level of confidence from the trump campaign. but he has been a little more careful in front of some states. if he wins big tomorrow, social security as he thistle, is it over? >> it is. three weeks ago, we were counting any delegates from indiana. >> really? none. >> and tomorrow night we're going to do very, very well. very, very well. >> what do you say to that, kelly ann? three weeks ago counting on none. and now when you look at the polls, the polls may be wrong but you've got ted cruz behind 15 points right now. >> according to one poll. as was the cruz plus 13 poll that seemed like an outlier also. one poll last week, and the nbc poll. a 28-point difference. the truth is probably somewhere in between. but to barry's point, i think

the trump campaign does the best job of all in playing the expectations game. we didn't expect to win wisconsin, so we didn't. we expected to not do as well in northeast. did even better than we thought. >> they're doing this before the votes. that's a little different than they had recently. >> this time. and there's no question that when certain people in the parties smell momentum and smell inevitability, they want to lean into that. i think make amends with mr. trump and his campaign since they've had nasty things to say for the better part of ten years about him. at the same time, you know, if you're on the ground in indiana, as i have been and i do work for governor pence as well there. it's a state where people don't like to lift their head above sea level. they like to -- they like to go out, the ground game looks great, the rallies are good for cruz. i just think that i wish he would not be part of the stop trump movement. he should be part of the pro cruz movement. >> well, that's been a big issue. haven't been able to create that momentum. >> create trump supporters that way, then you're engaging with it, you're operating from a position of the second guy. i think he should be part of the

pro cruz movement. >> so you all saw -- i mentioned the heated battle that cruz got into with the trump supporter who showed up at one of his events. he spent seven minutes arguing which may say something about his state of mind. trump then quickly incorporated the incident into his stump speech and here's how he did that. >> is that guy here with the sunglasses? i don't know if he's here or seven. but whoever he is, i thought he was very cool. i thought he and his friends. because they're not going to be buffaloed by lies. >> i don't know what buffaloed means. what is this word, buffaloed? but scottie, i mean, this shows a level of confidence. by trump. >> exactly. when we talk about the angry, frustrated american, we talk about those that are living in indiana. they were just announced, 1,400 jobs with carrier's closing. this is a state that has been very hurt hard economically as their number one job industry is the auto industry. and been extremely hurt.

these folks working two or three jobs and they're upset. record turnout going into tomorrow. and what we saw today, the reaction between senator cruz and that one person was the really what's happening across the people in indiana now. >> and john, ted cruz spending seven minutes arguing with a protester. that's not a position you want to put yourself in. >> no, that's not a position of strength. politics as in sports, offense is the best defense. and when you're spending seven minutes, you're tired, not in your "a" game. scottie made a good point about the underlying economics and the sense of frustration and unequal distribution in the great recession. no doubt, fueling a lot of the frustration in the campaign. i can only say, can you imagine if the bailout hadn't happened, how much worse it would be. >> '08 went for obama. >> that's correct. >> and is traditional red state. these folks are looking for a change. >> the important point is, actually, they're looking for a little bit of security and they want an advocate. and that's where i think a lot of people have been feeling politically homeless. because of the unequal recovery

in the great recession. and what trump has done, a very good job of, is channelling that frustration. but the problem is, you can be a vehicle for channelling frustration, but if you're not offering a real solution at the end of the day, it's all going to end in tears, folks. >> it's interesting and i was laughing about the song behind jim acosta. you can't always get what you want but if you try sometimes you might get what you need. >> look, this was a very bad moment for ted cruz. make no mistake. and it actually reminded me of the joe the plumber moment. who knows, maybe that guy will end up on stage with donald trump tomorrow. but ted cruz is a great debater. and i think he actually scored -- if you were you keeping score, ted cruz made a couple points that really demonstrated that donald trump hasn't been a consistent conservative. has been on both sides of all of these issues. it doesn't matter. because that guy is emblematic of a movement out there of disaffected americans. and i think they're voting trump tomorrow. >> they're going to vote -- is going to vote for trump tomorrow of the and mark, also on this

point. this cruz/kasich alliance, as short lived as it may have been, the majority of voters in the state said they didn't like it. 22% said it's going to be a crucial part of their vote tomorrow. >> absolutely. one, it wreaks of desperation for everyone who washed this thing. even people who liked kasich. voters feel like donald trump is being now thwarted, blocked, obstructed. and when voters feel like that, i think they go more intensely to the polls to support donald trump. and that's what's happening now. >> and david gergen n terms of indiana tomorrow, do you think it's going to be the big win? the overall delegates? you heard barry say three weeks away this were counting on none. >> if it's anywhere five to ten points, it will be over. you know, there's the delegate game and there's the momentum game. and right now, we're into momentum. and collectively, the country is increasingly coming to the view, this is going to be a hillary versus trump campaign, fall campaign. and preparing for that, and there is going to be an awful lot of pressure on ted cruz.

if he loses tomorrow, a lot of pressure from state party chairman. time to get out, time to unite. basically, within his grasp. and i think the momentum -- everything ted cruz has tried to do, all the hail marys this past week, haven't worked. >> and he did say he's in it until the end as long as he's viable. and what that means is a crucial question. all of you stay with me. next, trump and cruz obviously with these dueling rallies anticipating donald trump coming to the stage, ted cruz coming in moments. if trump wins indiana, is it really over? while this does come now not just a momentum but to the map. and we have those numbers for you, next. plus, carly fiorina's -- this was unbelievable. how donald trump is seizing that moment. yes, she's not there any more. that's what happened. caug new explosive details about the night of the raid and exactly what happened. you'll see it for the first time, "outfront."

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mark. he now needs 235 more delegates to seal the deal. what is ted cruz doing? as you described. playing the shadow primary, as they call it. and he did it again over the weekend in arizona and missouri, and in virginia. the shadow primary is the goal of trying to make sure that the people who actually serve as delegates include many of your loyalists. so why would that matter? let's look at virginia, for an example here. donald trump won this state handily back in had march. he got more than 2-1, the votes that cruz received back there. but cruz has been working, as he has in other places, to make sure his loyalists are fulfilling the role of delegates here. 49 delegates over all. this weekend, the party in that state met to decide on 13 at large delegates to go to this convention. if they represent the general vote in the state, as they have to by the rules there, they would break down sort of like

this. trump at the majority. marco rubio with the second largest amount and then cruz, kasich and so on. but cruz did such a good job working the party officials to stack this group with his supporters after they vote for trump on the first ballot at a contested convention, as they would have to on the second ballot they could change like this. overwhelmingly, cruz supporters and trump could wind up losing a state that he effectively already won. and erin, cruz has done this in state after state, contest after contest. and on that front, he's absolutely beating donald trump. >> which, of course, makes this -- why donald trump says it's not going to a second ballot, because if he does, he knows that could be major trouble for him. that really does matter, tom. all of this, right, if he gets to the contested convention and then cruz gets that second ballot. of course, he's running out of time now, he has got to remain viable for the remaining primaries. >> you said the right word there. "if." 80% of the republican primaries

and caucuses are done. and donald trump is the winner in the majority of those. what remains, ten states out there. we've highlighted them here in yellow. this month, about 150 delegates will be decided. indiana is the big prize that has to be decided tomorrow. next month, about 300 more will be decided. california is the big state to decide there. all donald trump has to do is get slightly more than half of the delegates in those ten remaining states, erin, and it's all over. it doesn't matter what ted cruz did behind the scenes or after the fact. there will not be a contested convention. donald trump will lock it up. >> all right. thank you very much, tom foreman. my panel is back with me. kelly ann, you heard the example that tom gave with virginia. let's take arizona. donald trump won by more than 20 points. he got all 58 delegates. and now it turns out only a dozen that have been selected are actually loyal to donald trump. the rest are all cruz. how is that by any objective stretch of the imagination, fair?

>> ask the people who made the rules. but the rules have been in place for a while now. and i think the sound bite that trump has been saying, the system is rigged, corrupt, has worked. with his supporters, erin. because that's part of his whole narrative. i'm the outsider, don't trust the system, it works against you, not for you. the pact fact is i think the reason cruz stays in the race until -- unless and until donald trump gets to 1,237 is very simple. they feel they have an advantage when it comes to delegates and conventions. cleveland is the biggest convention prize. the way they spend their weekends is going back and following the rules and trying to persuade actual delegates to support them on the second ballot. >> rules, though -- rules that the american public when you look at polls, people don't think this is fair. people have bought into the donald trump line that the system is rigged. >> i think that the big loser, this primary -- both of the republican and democrat side is the process. the rules are horrific. right? real votes are supposed to matter. the people's voice is supposed

to matter. not superdelegates. or gaming systems. or getting your friends involved. i mean, we have got to change the rules or the american people are going to be very angry. >> let me interject quickly. donald trump won 70% of the delegates in missouri when they went -- had their primary. he won by .02 of a percentage point. we didn't scream and say that's not fair. you only won by .02 of a percentage point which usually is a recount. you just have to move on to the next state. >> but there's a difference between just ted cruz winning or donald trump winning. we're finding states where ted cruz came in third, like in georgia. and now he's walking away with the majority. >> good example. >> so we're -- that's where the cards are -- or in arizona. governor brewer, running for delegate. >> this is a basic understanding of voters. the process is democratic. and when the person who gets the most votes doesn't win, that feels anti democratic. >> so bernie sanders. >> and that's -- >> how does bernie sanders feel

about superdelegates? >> i can't speak for bernie per se. he has superdelegates is unfair and it's rigged. he and trump are on the same page. and most americans feel -- one person's -- one person is a superdelegate. matters as much as almost parts of an entire city or state. >> an true sullivan. >> the idea that they are in equal pain and distrust, both testimonies and republicans, actually is false. so pew looked into this last month. did a survey of both democrat and republican voters. they found that republicans have the same level of confidence in their primary process as they had in 2000. right? but democrats since the very last election have lost confidence in their process by 22 percentage points. and here's the difference in that. the person who is screaming about the process being rigged on the republican side is actually winning. so people still have confidence that the process is working. but the person who is screaming about the process is rigged on the democratic side is actually losing until people have lost confidence. >> vz a very interesting point.

>> it's not fair to say it's equal opportunity. >> david. >> well, listen, i think what trump is saying is, if this gets taken away from me -- if i win by 3 or 4 million votes over cruz and that cruz gets the nomination, that process will be rigged. and i guarantee you, if that's what happens, the number of republicans are going to be unhappy with the process is going to sky rocket. >> it may happen then. but to say -- but to say that it is now the case is not -- >> on this point, we do have a lot of establishment republicans that are coming around to this. little marco, right -- how much could donald trump have slammed marco rubio and yet it is marco rubio who is now saying that if trump gets close to 1, 37, the nomination should be his. he just said it on the radio today. and here he is. >> look, let's not divide the party, someone who has all these votes, very close to 1,237, let's not ignore the will of the people or they're going to be angry. >> that's significant, john. that's marco rubio.

>> it's very significant. i mean, on one hand, he's trying to speak a degree of common sense. but the republican party right now is definitely starting to divide. people who are rationalizing the rise of the donald and people are going to say, i'm going to be part of the resistance. it's country over party on this one. it's going to be fascinating to see those folks who start sliding into the -- part aside, because they want to be part of the party and power. ride the gravy train, politically, professionally or financially. and that's going to be a major dividing line down the road. but whatever happens, both parties should stay focused on the need for election reform. we need it as a country. and don't let the short-term pain -- >> rubio -- >> let me -- you, barry. we just heard jim acosta. you guys are going to get to 1,400. well beyond 1,237, and during the primary process. >> if we win tomorrow night, i don't know what other state we would lose. >> nebraska. >> so you think the momentum will come on your side with new mexico.

>> the atmospherics have changed so much in three weeks. and there's no reason to believe that's just happening inside the borders of indiana. >> what's so important about rubio talking today, he's 171 delegates. that's a nice little delegate count when you're getting this close. >> this is what i would call a walk of shame. it's despicable. but i will say i think we need to push back against this. what? >> i think you're seeing people that come with their tail between their legs who said horrible things about donald trump, who said that donald trump was, frankly, close to lucif lucifer, who we're now reconciling theps. but the bigger concern i have, is this election reform. because the republican party's rules are basically premised on the -- the way the founding fathers set up this country. and it is not a direct democracy. everybody should go reed that andrew sullivan piece. >> if it were working, we wouldn't objective it. >> it is working. >> we're $19 trillion in debt. live pictures of the ted

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looking at live pictures of senator ted cruz going to be making his final pitch to indiana voters on the eve of his presidential campaign. he's going to be on the stage in just moments. there are 57 republican delegates up for grabs in indiana. cruz needs every one of them, and, of course, then many more to stop donald trump completely. dana bash spoke to ted cruz today in a special interview. here it is. >> reporter: donald trump only needs 47% of remaining delegates to win the nomination outright. you need 132%. so will you support his

candidacy if he, donald trump, gets the delegates before cleveland? >> dana, nobody is going to get to 1,237. i'm not going to get to it, but neither is donald trump. i think indiana is going to be a critical state in that. indiana is voting tomorrow. and i'm encouraged we're seeing conservativeses come together, including mike pence. >> what makes you so sure he won't get the delegates? i mean, getting 47% of the remaining delegates isn't inconceivable at all. >> well, he hasn't gotten 47% to date. that's better than he's done. >> reporter: but he sure did well last week. >> you're right. he did well in his home state. and he did well in the adjoining states. he won five states last week. but i'll tell you, in the three weeks that preceded that, i won five states in a row, starting with utah and then nkt, and then wisconsin. and then colorado and then wyoming. 1.3 million people voted in those states. and by the way, i earned more votes in wisconsin than donald trump did in new york. now, i get that the media found new york the most important

election in the history of the universe. >> also, pennsylvania. that was a place -- your data-driven campaign. do you see hard data that really is driving this message that you had that he's not going to get the delegates needed? >> absolutely. and i also -- i know that republican party. the choice that indiana faces tomorrow is who we are and which direction do we go. >> reporter: governor, when you endorsed senator cruz last week, you had almost as many nice things to say about donald trump as senator cruz. if he isn't successful tomorrow here -- in indiana, and donald trump does become the nominee, will you support him? >> well, i made it very clear, i'm going to work my heart out to make sure we elect a republican president in the fall of 2016. >> even if it's donald trump. >> i'm going to support the republican nominee. indiana needs a partner in washington, d.c. but my choice in the indiana primary is ted cruz. because i believe he's a principled conservative who like

me, cherishes and has fought for the reagan agenda. >> reporter: the governor just said he's going to support the republican nominee, even if it's not you. you were asked nine times over the weekend to say what you just heard the governor say next to you. that you will support the republican nominee, even if it's donald trump. >> why is the media so desperate to get conservatives to up our principles and support donald trump? and the answer is very simple. donald trump and hillary clinton are both rich new york big government liberals. >> reporter: i understand that the media are an easy target. i get that. but if you were way ahead right now and donald trump were behind, i would be asking the exact same question. >> i'm curious, dana, when i won five states in a row three weeks ago, were you asking donald trump, are you going to suspend your campaign? >> reporter: we were in a different place. >> you said if i were winning, you would be saying that. >> reporter: what i meant was, if you had 47% of the remaining

delegates to get left, and he had 132%, i would be asking the same question. the broader point is, you know, you all talk about uniting the republican party. by definition, aren't you helping to continue to divide it by not saying that you would -- >> exactly the opposite. listen, i agree with ronald reagan when he said the republican party is not a fraternal order. just get the slap an "r" on your jersey. it represents a reyou'dation of conservative principles of the constitution. >> reporter: one last question. can't let you go before asking about the fun that president obama had with you, calling the basketball hoop a basketball ring. here in hoosier country, which is not exactly a welcome for people who love their basketball. he said, "what else is he going to talk about? baseball sticks? football hats?" >> well, look, i give the president kudos. he was supposed to give a speech that was a comedy routine and he

did. listen, i had a slip of the tongue. instead of saying rim, i said ring. i played two-and-a-half years of basketball in high school. maybe president obama has seen my vertical, which is about three inches and i never got anywhere near the rim so it was always this distant thing. i could shoot from the outside but never got close to the rim. >> reporter: sounds like maybe you should have a one-on-one game with the president. >> i think he's got more skills on the basketball court than i do. >> now, dana, obviously ending there on a bit of a humorous note and of course, he was crediting the president for his jokes on saturday night. but obviously, he was very defensive in that interview. dripping off the camera. what was it like in person? what was his demeanor like there? >> reporter: you know, it was not unlike other interviews that i've done over the years with candidates on the eve of a very important contest. and this is here in indiana crucial. and it could really mean the end of his -- technically, the end of his campaign or not.

and i think it's obvious -- you gleaned that as a viewer watching it, and certainly was for me standing there with him, that he understands how high the stakes are. in indiana. and in large part, it's because he made them this way, erin. he put so much emphasis on indiana. he made this -- cut a deal with john kasich to make this a one-on-one race that he has been asking for with donald trump. he's made the point, this is mortar filter rain for him when it comes to the conservative electorate. so the stakes could not be higher for him. especially as i toss it back to you, tell you that i've talked to sources in the never trump movement who say that they don't think that they really can have the resources to keep going. the outside groups. if he doesn't do well here. so there is a lot of pressure on him. and he's smart enough to know that. >> very significant statement there. dana, thank you. my panel is back with me. kelly ann, she said look, will you support donald trump if he's the eventual nominee. obviously, the governor of indiana said yes. he said yes last week.

why won't ted cruz say yes? >> well, i sea yes. but donald trump didn't insult my wife. so i think it's very personal for senator cruz. i do. i think that was an even -- even donald trump came close to actually saying i'm sorry and i made a mistake and i apologize by saying i shouldn't have retweeted that. it took a while. >> melania and heidi. >> i do think that's very personal. and i am with governor pence. i will support the eventually nominee. i'm not part of the stop trump movement the. i'm part of the stop hillary movement. so -- >> and the pro cruz movement, as you say. >> it's very different. but look, if i were in a heated ballots, i don't fault senator cruz at all before voters go to the polls. in acting like the competitor he is. i thought the end was -- >> can't we just dispense with the idea that this battle is virtually almost over? you know -- >> he only needs 132% -- >> no, i'm -- it's over for cruz. >> i'm kidding. >> the idea -- you know, trump

only needs what our calculation, he was 235 of the remaining 500 delegates. he outperformed all of the polls in the northeast corridor. he outperformed all of the polls. nate kuhn came out -- he doesn't even think he needs to win indiana any more, because he got 40 of the 57 unbound delegates in pennsylvania. and then while we did on the air, nate silver just posted -- we know nate silver's track record, came out with the projection that trump is -- >> not that good lately. >> but trump is favored to win by 83% to cruz's 17% in indiana. this idea that we are still in a competitive race, that trump is not likely to hit the 1,237 is not real. it's a fantasy. >> let me play something else that happened today, this point of trump is getting more and more comfortable and he seems more confident and more in his routine, even the normal. there was this moment with carly

fiorina. and i want to emphasize while this is humorous in some ways, she is completely fine, she was not injured at all. here is what happened when carly fiorina fell when she was with ted cruz. >> the next president of the united states, ted cruz! ♪ >> so that happened, and then donald trump did something that -- whether you like him or you loathe him, on some level the -- well, just -- here's how he is portraying the incident. >> carley is perfectly nice. by the way, she fell off the stage the other day. did anybody see that? and cruz didn't do anything! i was -- even i would have helped her, okay? she just went down. she went down a long way, right? and she went down right in front of him and he was talking and he

kept talking. he didn't even look like -- that was a weird deal. >> all right. by the way, we don't know if ted cruz even saw it happen. obviously, most likely he did not. because he would have helped her. nonetheless, barry, this is trump during this into a moment of enter tachlt. >> that's not the correct way to drop the mike. you're supposed to let go, not drop yourself. it was a bad day for the advance team, at the rally. everybody is tired. everybody has worked really, really hard this last year-and-a-half. but it's -- yeah. >> this is why hillary clinton has to watch out. donald trump is going to do this -- not that she is going to fall off the stage but every day -- >> he can turn things nobody else would think to do. and next, donald trump says his rallies are the safest police on earth. what hillary clinton is saying about that. and new exclusive details about the osama bin laden raid. for the first time ever, the president opening up about what could be the biggest decision of his presidency. >> i had been inclined to take

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welcome back. we are just hours away from the polls opening in indiana and what donald trump hopes will be the cruz campaign last stand. trump trying to look ahead to the general election, slamming hillary clinton for saying she has experience with men, who, quote, get off the reservation. >> i won't even bring up the fact that the indians have gone wild on that statement. you know that, okay? the indians have said that statement is a disastrous statement. and they want the a retraction. i'm not going to get into that. >> donald trump going pc. jeff zeleny "outfront" in indianapolis. it sounds like what donald trump and hillary clinton are trying to pivot now to the general election to fighting each other. >> reporter: no doubt. and they definitely are. and remember that woman card comment from last week? the clinton campaign told me a few moments ago, they raised $2.4 million in three days alone over that. so this is a sign that this campaign is engaged. we have two phases going on here. yes, the primary is still going

on. but the general already going. the clinton campaign hiring campaign managers in florida. nevada. ohio. colorado. new hampshire. those states have all voted in the primary. they are turning the corner looking ahead. top aides totally me they're spending nearly all time plotting out how to game out this campaign against donald trump. for the trump side of things, he's already bringing hillary clinton into nearly everything he says. you heard that off the reservation comment there. so erin, it's an unusual part of the campaign here where the primary is still going on. you can see behind me, thousands of people have gathered in downtown indianapolis. bernie sanders fans. bernie sanders supporters. he may win here tomorrow. the clinton campaign so far ahead in delegates, this campaign is moving forward toward november, regardless of happens here in this state and the states going forward. erin? >> bernie sanders calling that system rigged, because he could win. but yet not win. thank you, jeff zeleny. the panel back with me now. mark, now you've got donald trump going after hillary

clinton for the insensitive remark off the reservation. >> and i'm glad we have donald trump to police politically inappropriate speech. we need somebody. who better than a donald to do that? >> better step up do and do it. >> that seems so odd to me. it would be like hillary -- >> it was perfect. it was perfect. >> the absurdity. going on the stage of saying stupid things, asking for apologies, saying it on purpose to sit there -- >> that's one approach. or they'll unveil another set of commercials showing donald trump saying even worse things even about native americans. >> now charles, in materials of this whole woman card issue, se, there is going to be front and center. he's going to use it, she's going to fight back. you heard jeff zeleny, $2.4 million on the quote, unquote woman card. that's how much she raced in a few days. >> it hurts her more than it helps her. it may help in the fund-raising part. but there was -- i reviewed a study about this before i came in here about people showing commercials about, you know, him denigrating women and how much it actually hurt him among the

people who saw those commercials. but when, you know -- when she was, you know, kind of having commercials where she was actually playing up the fact she was a woman, it actually didn't help her. it reduced her unfavorables, but did not increase favorable ratings. so i think what he's doing is actually shooting himself in the foot. it's actually not going to boost her as much as i think. >> all right. we're going to hit pause for a moment. next, president obama on one of the most important decisions of his presidency. >> if it wasn't bin laden, probably the cost would outweigh the benefits. >> and yet he did it. that interview, next. plus exclusive new details you'll hear for the first time ever about that raid, coming up.

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thank you so much for joining us as we continue to count you down to the opening of the polls. "ac 360" begins now. >> good evening. this time five years ago the world was absorbing the news that osama bin laden had been caught and killed nearly years after the 9/11 attacks. peter bergen got access to the white house and talked about the mission with president obama. stay tuned for "ac 360" special, we got him, president obama, bin laden and the future. the nation's current hopes and fears are focusing on the heartland in the state of indiana. they vote in the primary tomorrow