kamaubell. i made a living finding humor in parts of america they don't understand. now i challenge myself to dig deeper. this is the united shades of america. the san francisco bay area. my home. when the producers told me we are shooting our next episode in the bay, i couldn't wait. so many stories to be told here. the tech industry is pushing people out of san francisco. the producers looked at me and said the four words no person

wants to hear, ru going to prison. right across the bha, 12 miles from san francisco, sits san quinton prison. one of america's most famous and infamous prison, it has locked up the best of the worst. from serial killers to presidential assassins to the worst husband of all times. like country singer. merlee haggard, and stanley williams, convicted murderer, turned noble peace perez winner, and children's author, still executed. for some reason, rise to a weird iconic single name like alkatraz or brittany, which mean, of

course, johnny cash recorded an album there. why am i going there? whether we like to think about it or not, there are human beings behind the walls. some bad ones, some who made mistakes. got caught up in the system. i wanted to meet the men to find out what life is like being in prison, or are they being rehabilitated, or just caught up in the business that is prison. these programs are about cutting down on the rates. the national average of recidivism is 60%, that means 60% of parole prisoners are returning within three years of being released. that fact is only the beginning of what is a disturbing reality that is the prison system in

this country. to get me started on my time here, i am meeting up with lieutenant sam robinson. my tour guide. because i am not looking to get lost in here. >> i hear they call you the mayor of san quintin. >> thank you for bringing me in here. >> i know when you step inside the prison, there is a different feel when you walk on this side of the wall. >> it feels like a community college. >> we house the worst of the worst in the state of california. >> this is the worst inmates. >> i feel like i shouldn't be pointing. >> they are not coming out this way. >> houses the only death row inmates, it is actually the prison that california inmates want to get transferred to. it has the highest number of

rehab programs by far. it is a level two prison. level one, martha stewart prison, to level 4, like an episode of oz. san quentin was changed to a level 2. >> hin mates are down gelow down. >> there i thought there would be gates, i would be strip searched. >> why? >> i am clear. do i need to? >> absolutely do not. >> this is what those who watch prison movies refer to as the yard. >> yes, house 3,864 inmates, currently, 731 on death row here at san quentin. >> be yourself. >> it is amazing hoults people

give me that advice. >> for a guy who never walked inside of it a prison, what does it feel like? >> walking into a neighborhood i am unfamiliar with. >> thank you, sir. >> now it feels great. >> i am looking around, i see different groups of people in different areas. are the areas broken up? >> yes, they are broken up in a way. beyond the tennis court, the white guys are. basketball courts, african american guys, and behind us. the piecis, hispanic inmates. and northern hispanic, an area where they are at. the yard is segregated and have underground rules. >> it seems like the black guys

got the basketball court, no surprise there. if you are a white guy who wants to play basketball, it is recommended not to go there. >> you may feel that way. it may not be that these guys have an issue, the guys who look like you, may have an issue with you coming over here. >> is their an effort to create that cross pollination? >> yes. >> the programs we have. work assignments, we try to bring our population together, we successfully put people next to each other, who traditionally will not be next to each other. >> he wanted me to meet the writer for the san quentin news. >> i heard a lot about you, man. >> i heard i should talk to you about what is going down here.

>> i have a 55 to life sentence, i will probably never go home. >> that is an alarm at the prison. when there is an alarm, people, no matter where they are here, everybody gets down on the ground. get down on the ground until the staff figures out what is going on. >> how often does that alarm go off? >> some days not at all, some days, four, five times it is usually short. >> there wasn't -- >> good thing about san quentin,

level 2, nothing happens on this side. >> cell phone, you need someone to walk around. >> no doubt. you need someone whose nickname is weki pedia. >> they make us feel like we are part of humanity. other than that we would be numbers on the yard. >> what is your sentence? >> i am in my 40th year. 70 to life. >> seven to life. >> you would think --

>> you going to say, six and a half. >> no. rehabilitated, you get to a spot like this there will be rewards at the end of the game. it don't seem to be. >> incensive to complete the programs, get out sooner. once you are rehabilitated, you have the ability to be an asset to society. >> prisons don't usually get that second chances. you get defined by the worst moment of your life. >> yes. >> it it was tirm to meet the staff of the san quentin news. >> this is where i work. they can be assigned stories. it is our paper.

>> show willingness to do t pick up the skills. >> yes. >> the computers connected to the internet? >> heck no. we have ideas, they give us information, and the support we need. >> it is the old school internet. people. >> people. >> there is nothing about the way the guys are working, as it is a hobby or a way to pass time. it seems like san quentin is taking this rehab thing seriously. >> ♪ swing low, sweet chariot ♪ ♪ carry me home.

as we walk the yard, i see a lot of black faces, 30% of the nation is black, they make up 40% of the prison population, one in three are in prison at some time in their lives. >> how do you get past the 1 in

3? >> in the media, you make people laugh to avoid the fight. >> one of the things i hear about from the guys in prison, they need to do things that make you feel normal. for a lot of them, playing sports is one of those things. >> have you ever seen baseball in prison? >> no, i have never seen anything in prison. in san quentin, you work hard, not only do you get to play, you get to play against outside teams, not teams from other prisons, regular folks who voluntarily agree to let convicted fell ops hurl objects at them. >> we are good.

>> it gives me a chance to practice hard work, dedication, and streets treated it me wrong, baseball always treated me right. >> as we watch the team practice, i got curious, why would he work so hard as a rehab program, when he knows he will have no chance of getting out of prison? >> why do you want to be a journalist? >> my voice is the only thing still free. having so much time, feel like you are going to waste. there is nothing meaningful to do, except for writing. it gives me something meaningful to do. >> finding a purpose in life, is not what we think of in prison. we think of rioting.

yoga is another one of the rehab programs here. the writer for the san quentin news, is getting his yoga on. >> why is yoga important? >> energies i have accumulated throughout the day, it helps me. >> clear, focus. ready for you know, another challenge. it is good. >> we head over to cell block c. >> when i first came, i was scared. you know, i was like, here is this will little guy, you know. >> can you ask you how you ended up incarcerated? >> i am in here for first degree murder. >> what happened?

>> i had a nephew in school. getting picked on. so, i went to pick him up. to get home safely, getting ready to take off, another car pulled up behind us, came out, and rushed us. so, i told him to drive the car, i was looking for anybody who resembled those guys, as soon as the opportunity arrived, all innocent victims. >> it wasn't the guy you were looking for. >> how many were killed? >> i am in here for one murder, four attempted murders. 55 to life. i have been here 20 years now. big, tremendous amount of grief i hold. my nephew is here because of that. >> he is here. me being the older one, i took

him down this path. >> the wan a lot ofmen define ourselves as men, challenge can lead to destructive behavior. >> put so much on what it is to be a man. >> way too much, sometimes. >> i have to say, the other thing that impressed me with the prisoners, you have spent a lot of time talking about your issues. >> i think it is important to talk about it. and important for us to take ownership of what we have done. it is a part of you. who you are. and with a better understandi , and with a better understandi , understanding, --

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i know it's slowing you down. >> how are you going to grow up there and not know pea knuckle man? >> is this a game common in prison? and why this game? >> because it's fun, time-consuming and a lot of people have nothing better to do than to sit around and make time to go. >> so that's why this game is so complicated because it takes time. can i ask what are you in for and what's your sentence? >> i'm in here under the three-strike law. i committed a nonviolent, nonweapons involved, no physical injuries, second degree robbery. and you know the crazy thing, i got almost as much time as him. 30 years to life. >> can i ask you what the crime was, sir? >> first degree murder. >> possession of firearm. i'm doing double life. they term me a career criminal when i had never been to juvenile hall, ya, but i like this prison. >> 35 state prisons in california, this, by far, is the best as far as educational, self-help development programs. where as the other prisons, the resources aren't available. programs aren't there. we worked our way down from those higher level security institutions by obeying the rules, staying out of trouble. programming.

doing what is necessary to get out of those places. >> but recognition about change it seems like that's a hard thing for people it swallow because they don't think that we can actually change. >> i keep coming back to the fact that i believe it's because as long as i sit here, it is a paycheck for someone. >> that's exactly what it is. you hit the nail on the head. yes, you did. >> when he made that statement, he told the truth. because a lifer is bread and butter for a whole lot of people that work for the department of corrections. >> what they are talking about is the business of prison. the u.s. spends around $70 billion a year on prisons. put that in perspective, look at this chart. since 1986, we have increased spending on higher education by 5.6%. not great. we increased spending on kindergarten to high school by 69%. sounds pretty good, right?

but we increased spend awning prisons by a whopping 141%. while we have our chart outlets's look at another one. during the same time the prison population has grown from around 300,000 in 1980 to over 1.6 million prisoners today. >> what's not good here? >> you go up those stairs, totally different. >> what's upstairs? >> north block. >> i'm glad you guys are telling me the truth. >> yes. >> when you go home, you google pinochle. >> those guys mentioned the living conditions here. so i figured i would ask my new friend juan haines, managing editor at san quentin news, to give me a tour of his cell. it won't take long. >> this is the cell i'm at. >> okay. >> you can go in it. >> thank you. thank you. >> one of the things about the cell says like, as you can see,

as big as you are, two people can't stand down here at the same time normally. like if i -- want to get down then my celly, he lays all the way there so he can get by. >> so you have to choreograph how to live in here. >> yeah. >> do you get to pick your roommate? >> technically, no. but the department understands that you have to. it's better if you are living with someone you want to live with? >> yes. you have to be able to deal with another person's personality in this close space. there is some term called cell slug. >> cell slug? >> yeah. that's a person who stays in his cell all the time and never leaves his cell so the other celly never gets real privacy. >> i hate it bring it up. but you know what i'm going to say. >> what that? >> the toilet. >> yeah. >> when go to the bathroom, i like privacy. i want to be alone. don't want anyone talking to me. >> most cellies negotiate that is if my celly has it use the rest room, i will just find something to do.

he normally leaves at 6:30 in the morning so my regular system is hooked up so after 6:30 i'm good to go. >> is it like when women live together their cycles also align. >> yeah, you got it. yeah. >> you guys make sure you're not on the same gastro intestinal cycle. >> and finding a celly. that's one of the things. will you leave. that's the cell slug. that's where the cell slug comes in. >> thank you. we can step on out of here. starting to get claustrophobic. >> one thing that has become clear to me in my short time here, every inmate is open to talk about the reason they are in san quentin. and not in a gossipy way or defensive way, but in a taking responsibility way. >> can i ask you, how did you end up in san quentin, sir? >> i was arrested in 1996 for series of bank robberies if san diego. >> you don't seem like a bank robber. >> right. i robbed a bank before and the lady said, are you serious? >> how did you do it? what was your process. the fbi gave me the moniker, the brown bag bandit. >> you got a moniker, you got a name.

>> so i still got the bag. no, it's not. it's not the real bag. >> okay, okay. >> so i have something like this, right, then i just write in like red marker, i have a bomb. put the money in the bag and she just opened it up, put in a bunch of 50s and 20s and then i walk out of the bank. >> who was the person that you were back then who decided to rob a bank? how did you get to that decision? how did you get to that place? >> part of that process that i look into myself to try and figure that out. because i don't see myself as a bank robber. why was i doing that? one of the tellers that i robbed, came in, and testified against me. and was crying on the stand and told me that terrified her her whole life. and right there, i was like, you know, it kind of hit me knowing that i just ruined this woman's life. that's because of what i did.

>> yeah. >> but i couldn't process that the way i'm processing it right now. after my trial, conviction, received a sentence of originally 85 years to life. but then -- >> for bank robberies. >> yeah. and finally came it realization when i came it prison what my impact is on this planet. and it wasn't always good. >> 85 years to life for bank robbery may sound reasonable to you. but not to me. even if it does sound good to you, how does juan sound? to me he sounds contrite, responsible and well, generally like a good dude who made the most of his time. and yet he's got no date for possible parole, even on the books. y sauced or seasoned. what are you..? shh! i'm live tweeting. oh, boy. birds eye. so veggie good. ♪ ♪

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order another pizza! and watch on! [ cheering ] don't wait a whole year for xfinity watchathon week to return. upgrade now to add the premium channel of your choice so you can keep watching. call or go online today. at san quentin, i've been lucky to meet some prisoners who are clearly doing everything they can to better themselves. but let's be honest, there's a whole other side to this place that frankly the administration won't let me see. but i'm meeting back up with lieutenant sam robinson, who's decided to give me a little peek of how the other side lives. >> where are we? >> we are in our small management yard complex. >> small management yard complex. >> small management yard. exactly. individual yards designed for people who have security concerns here if the prison.

whether it is someone predatorial or identified to have some kind of victimization type issues. we place them in an independent yard by themselves to ensure the safety of them and the rest of our population. many times guys who have issues with other people inside the prison, either they say in their cells themselves until the issues resolve themselves or they would go out and there would be drama out within the prison. >> is there anything in there within the inmate? >> what we generally do -- >> can we walk in one? >> sure. our mental health team -- >> and can we get out quickly? >> yes, i'll assure that. >> okay. >> now generally in a yard like this, it's for one person. we'll improvise. it will be you and i. the guy inside the cell, can't really stretch out like this and walk around so this gives you an opportunity to get some circulation going. >> yes. >> as a person, i like to pace a lot. so this would be the place. >> could you come and pace. many times you see guys doing

push-ups, burpies, talking to the guy that's in the yard just next to them. they may be mortal enemies. >> and the sun is blocked out. >> in this area, yeah. this was an after thought. this yard doesn't exist here until five or ten years ago. >> all right. sorry. a lot of the things i've seen in this prison are things i've seen in movies, portrayed in tv shows but this is something i've never seen before. >> this prison is on a different level. >> prison on a different level. i want to go back it prison on no level that i live. looking at those cages reminds me that even though san quentin is level 2 prison that this is still, well, a prison. and a lot of ideas we get from movies about prison, the movies get from prison. and san quentin has had its share of riots and violence. which makes me wonder, who in the hell would wanted it work here? apparently this guy.

he was busy. and had the kind of energy that said, if you go to far, mr. comedian, i'm throwing you in the hole. >> so d. robinson. co here? >> i assume by the costume. outfit. uniform. i'm nervous too. how long you been here? >> 22 years. >> 22 years in san quentin. >> 22 years in stan quinn. all my time at san quentin. >> sounds like doing time at san quentin. >> yes. it is loud. violence. you will see a lot of things that you won't necessarily see on the streets. you come here, you need to be prepared. adjust your mentality to maintain your sanity. >> is it hard to go home and let this all go? >> you definitely have to have an outlet. not easy but you got to have one. >> having an outlet seems to be something for employees and prisoners alike. one has gotten so good on the inside that it's gotten him attention on the outside.

>> meet the financial adviser. >> tell me your name. >> curtis carol but everyone calls me wall street. >> the government name and what everyone calls you. why do they call you wall street? >> 11 or 12 years ago i had a financial literacy class at another institution i was at. >> how do you know all this stuff? >> my cell mate at the time used to read different publications to me. i didn't know how to read at the time. one day i went to get the sports page so he could read it to me and i accidentally picked up the business section. when i picked it up to walk off another guy asked me, would you play the stock market? what's that? he said oh, it's the place where white people keep all their money. when he told me that, first thing i thought was, okay. as i started to learn how to read, i started reading a lot of business publications. bill gates, warren buffett. like my thing at the time. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> stocks developed on its own.

>> are you actually working with money? >> yes, investing money for myself, family, friends. >> how does that work with prison? i know there are rules and regulations around that. >> i'm not running a company. >> okay. >> i trade stocks. i get on the phone, call, talk to my family. say hey, buy this, buy that. and they buy and sell. >> now you're on tv and the newspaper and people are talking about you. i hear they named you the oracle of san quentin? >> yeah. all i've done is takes what's available to me and i packaged that and made it where it is easy for guys to use and it's been a tool that's been very successful. >> can i ask you another question? >> yes. >> how did you end up in prison? >> i was tried and found guilty of first degree murder, attempted robbery and gun possession and sentenced 55 years to life in prison. >> 54 years to life? >> 54 years to life. >> how old were you?

>> 17 years old. >> 17. >> yeah. boy's life in prison. people see that and like wow, you're kids. but for me at this stage in my life, i work hard to move forward. right? >> are you making good money doing this even from prison? >> yes. making great money. >> okay. prison standards. millions. >> when the standard is 40 cents an hour? >> yeah, i'm making millions. >> if you don't mind me say, this is nerdy. >> you know, what is crazy, the nerdy ones are wealthy. notice i didn't say rich. wealthy. >> wealthy is nerds. >> billions. >> have you ever heard of the word blurred? >> blurred. >> like blurred lines? >> no, like b-l-e-r-d. people use that, like a black nerd. >> oh, i like that! a black nerd. >> yeah.

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every man thinks he knows everything he needs to know about prison because he's seen "shawshank redemption" 11 times. every time it's on tv, men say, okay let me study. we think "shawshank redemption" is what it would be. you cast yourself in the main character. would i be morgan freeman? no, probably andy dufresne. i would go imbezzle millions of dollars. go to prison.

then break out and live on the beach with my best friend. in mexico. # would you be sexually assaulted? everything but that. back in san quentin, juan told me there is a man i should meet who knows all about rehabilitation and accountability. inmate ron self. self is a decorated former marine and founder of his own program here at the prison. the u.s. has over 200,000 incarcerated veterans. challenges like ptsd, unemployed and substance abuse contribute to these high numbers. ron's program helps them address tough issues in an environment of trust. it's called veterans healing veterans from the inside out. >> we were with juan and he said, are they going to talk to the veterans? i was like, what do you mean, veterans. it just didn't occur to me that of course everyone's in here. so what should we talk to and you were the first name that came up. how many veterans are here in san quentin and what is their experience?

>> like 362 main line, gp, in blue, on the yard veterans and 51 on death row. yeah, a large veteran's population here. my job, veteran's liaison, is to help reduce the number of veterans coming to prison and number of suicides. >> so in a way you're continuing your service to the country through your service here in san quentin? >> yes. >> how long have you been incarcerated? >> i came it prison in 1997. >> so the marine corps right up until 1997. >> can i ask you what you're in here for. >> conspiracy to commit murder and attempted murder. >> how do you be a hero in the newspaper to a person that's incarcerated. >> are all given the opportunity to defend this country at one time. clearly by the fact that we came it prison we didn't something we shouldn't have so we violate

that trust. and i think the nation, as a whole, has a right to expect better of me. >> and talk about why you feel like it's important to give back. >> i think i can speak for all veterans, we just want to give back and redeem ourselves and make up for whatever shame we brought to our branch of service. for me, the marine corps. and i think san quentin prison is probably the best example for that. they make it possible for us to give back. and they will help you. and that's something that is unprecedented that happens at this prison that i haven't seen in any other prison. >> do have you a possible parole date? >> i go to the board this december. >> how does this feel? >> this is strange. i want to get out so i can come back. >> you don't mean it that way. >> no. i found my calling in life. and that is doing these therapy programs with veterans and other, just prisoners. >> one thing that's clear to me is that you are proud of your service and you are a veteran who still wants to serve his country. >> very much so. >> and i wish you good luck in december.

>> i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> now i understand that prisoners i'm meeting have had years to change from the people they once were. and while it may be easy for me to forgive them, i also understand why those directly affected by their crimes may not ever be able to, but there is someone here hoping to change the views of men and women of those in prison. father george williams. catholic priest and man who has forgiveness in his job description. >> talk to people on the outside, they did this horrible thing. they should be in prison for as long as the cells have room for them. >> there are men here since the '70s. how many people watching this program are the same person they were in 1978? we all change. i think that the greatest tragedy in our culture is that we found a way to kind of throw people away and ignore them. it goes against my values as a christian. but i this i it goes against our values as americans that these are people.

these are our fellow citizens. and there are some of them and disproportionately men of color. and it's wrong. i think really prison, now a days should be a call to us to look at ourselves to search our souls and say we're doing something wrong here. we're not treating our brothers and sisters the right way. and we need to change. we need to live up to the ideals of what made us americans in the first place. >> powerful to hear that coming from a member of the cloth. and i don't think i do have a vote, but you have my vote as next pope. i'll stir up the black smoke for you. a model's hair is the ultimate test for care.

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during my time at san quentin, i've met all sorts of people working hard it rehabilitate themselves. not for those on the outside but for themselves. before i life, rashawn reminds me there is one thing i've yet to experience. chow time. can't we just order in? >> so kamau, this is the chow hall. there is two choices. i usually get the religious meat alternative. which is hot dogs, or chili mac on the main line. which do you prefer? >> i'll try the chili mac. >> okay. just grab a tray. this is what i get.

next meal is tomorrow at 5:00 a.m. 5:30 a.m. >> and it is 5:00 at night. >> this is 5:00 at night. this is your last meal of the day. >> this is my last meal of the day. 5:00 p.m. until dinner? there's days i don't eat lunch until 5:00 p.m. >> i don't even like the turkey hot dogs. let's see you try it, man. >> all right. look at that. >> i can do it. >> it's hot. this is carrots? >> how that taste? >> what is on it? >> well, we would like to know too. >> it sort of feels like a lunch that like a middle school kid would eat. >> i come eat whatever they give me then i go back and make soup. they have top ramen soup for 25

cents each. >> i feel like if you eat this, you'll be hungry in two hours. or if you don't eat this, you'll be hungry in 15 minutes. we're in here in san quentin talking about the programs and rehab. but the best i keep getting is that this is a unique situation. >> yeah. >> with all of the lack of programs at other prisons it has it be hard to fall into a bad cycle there. by virtue of the fact there's so much [ bleep ] going down. >> can you get caught up in riots, needing help and not really getting it and i found out that with that help it makes a big difference. >> you see the door is locked now, right? like when an officer in a few minutes, he will see that everything died down and says hey last call, everybody got to get up and leave. >> one catch. we can't eat until you leave all your food. >> that's an rule, wait a minute. >> that's a san quentin news rule. >> oh, i'm at the san quentin news table. >> yeah, i feel like you're one of us. >> i feel like one of you. i feel as much about this food as you guys do. >> 1, 2, 3! >> game day for san quentin a's.

and they are taking on a team from the bay area. looking at this scene it feels like any major league game in america. fans, security. half the players are criminals. >> people are sitting at home right now watching us here on a sunny day watching baseball enjoying ourselves. people who think that's not what prison is about or should be about. >> well what i would tell them is that first of all, everything you see on tv and the picture that's been painted about who prisoners are, we're more than that. that doesn't define who we are. that was a snapshot in our life. it was an obvious bad choice. and we're here paying our dues. we're human and we're here trying to do what is necessary to make an amends for the harm we committed in society. >> my time at san quentin has come to an end. and i want to say good-bye to all the guys i met at the paper.

>> what's up fellas? >> hey, man, good to see you. >> looks like our last day here. >> good to meet you. >> good to meet you, man. >> that's it. i got my quota. >> to being real. >> thanks for being so open and honest and telling your stories. you know, you guys are doing great work in here. when you get out, i hope the door is open for you to do this great work elsewhere. >> hey, man. >> welcome back, brother. >> just see you in the yard like hey, guys. [ laughter ] >> definitely won't walk out the gate with it. >> all right. >> thanks, fellas. >> all right. >> as i walked out the doors of

san quentin, i realized i was actually sad to leave. by many people's definition, maybe even mine when i got here, these dudes are hardened criminals. but after spending time here, i see many of them as men who made mistakes. many of them when they were teenagers. men who spent 20 years or more working hard to change who they were and to expand their own personal definitions of who they are now. rehabilitation has led to rehabilitated. but for most of the guys i met, they aren't getting out. and if you feel good about that, then you need to rewind this show and rewatch it again. >> this is the old san quentin dongeon, dark room and chains. >> i see graffiti in there. >> is that from 1938 will?

>> no. our construction workers occupy the dungeon for supplies, equipment and -- >> they left their tools. >> some left a couple tags inside there, yeah. >> so that graffiti is not 1938 graffiti. >> no. >> you aren't pulling an okey-doke on me. >> no. someone asks you, where are you from? you say chicago, nobody will give you a patronnizing response like, how charming. more likely, it will be oh, chicago? they will be impressed. chicago is a town, a city that doesn't ever have to measure itself against any other city. other places have to measure themselves against it. it is big, it is out-going, tough, opinionated and everybody has