>> i want a taste of that sweet bieber. >> reporter: to oj. >> hello, sinner. >> reporter: she has aged gracefully, the donald's character is blonder, beefier. >> well isn't that special. >> reporter: cnn. >> isn't that extra special. >> reporter: new york. >> thanks for joining us, anderson starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. we are following tornadoes in oklahoma that have already taken a life, part of a dangerous weather system that could do more damage tonight, destruction is heavy. >> there are houses completely gone, all of the walls are down. the trees stripped bare here, this is not a good thing. the houses through here, there are several from memory, yeah, they're all just -- they're just gone right now. >> we will have more on the tornadoes coming up later, that's ahead.

we begin with donald trump shifting into general election mode like no candidate has. seemingly shifting positions as he does, unnerving global markets with one statement and confusing people as he walks it back, setting conservatives with a flip flop, potentially alienating women with saying hillary clinton enabled her husband's infidelity. at the same time, he is scoring new endorsements and naming someone to manage transition from candidate trump to president trump. sarah murray has the latest on a general election pivot that's making some heads spin. >> thank you, thank you very much. >> reporter: donald trump may be the gop nominee, but he's already giving republicans anxiety. >> i know more about debt than practically anybody. i love debt. >> reporter: professing his love of debt, making policy proclamations when asked how he would manage debt payments, saying i would borrow knowing if the economy crashed, you could make a deal. today, trump is trying to moderate that stance, telling

cnn he would try to buy back debt at a discount, adding the country won't default because america can always print more money. >> first of all, you never have to default, you print the money, i hate to tell you. there's never a default. >> reporter: suggestions economists say isn't feasible or could lead to inflation. >> do not raise the minimum wamg? >> i would not raise it. >> reporter: now he says he is open to an increase. >> i don't know how people make it on $7.25 an hour. that being said, i would like to see an increase of some magnitude, but i would rather leave it to the states. >> reporter: then the shift on taxes, trump saying he is willing to negotiate steep tax cuts he proposed for the wealthy, insists rich americans won't pay more than they do now. >> talked about me giving a tax increase for the wealthy, they may have to pay more than my proposal.

my proposal is much less than people are paying. >> trump saying he would pay more under his tax plan. >> it reduces most deductions and loopholes available to special interest and to the very rich. in other words, it will cost me a fortune. >> reporter: all of this as trump is struggling to unite the party, passing on the chance to echo sarah palin's comments about house speaker paul ryan. >> i think paul ryan is soon to be cantored, as inner i can cantor. his political career is over but for a miracle. >> i always liked him. >> reporter: whether that sent meant extends both ways remains to be seen. the two head to capitol hill to hash out their differences. >> sarah murray joins us. what are they saying about the fiscal -- >> they have been baffled watching it play out.

it is clear donald trump wants to approach the government like a private sector business, you can't exactly treat them the same way. they're saying essentially what markets want is stability, predictability, and you don't get this in this variety of statements on issues like the debt and taxes. they're trying to parse whether he is throwing things out there in every interview as he asks questions or if there's a more solid fiscal plan and he is not articulate how he explains it. still an open question. >> thanks. to talk about it, chief national correspondent john king, former blank caucus executive, and clinton super pac adviser, and senior writer at the federalist. former campaign and economic adviser, head of nonpartisan budget office, and senior trump adviser barry bennett. john, we will start with you. a lot of potential problems for donald trump politically in terms of policy. how do you see where the next

couple days go? >> next couple days, we have 180 days until general election. every day we have a conversation about will the real donald trump or which donald trump please stand up. it is fascinating. he gave a statement to "the new york times" where he says he is happy london elected a muslim mayor. thinks it is a great thing. >> and the muslim mayor would be allowed. >> he could possibly get an exception to the ban. london is a major global city, we have relations with the u.k., but seems consistent we have to ban them until we figure it out. i leave the economics to doug, it is not my bailiwick, but i covered a lot of elections. you have a republican candidate that says i will cut taxes but probably negotiate a tax increase on the wealthy with the democrats, i'll raise minimum wage or encourage states please go do that, and seems to treat the u.s. structural debt like going to bankruptcy court. i am dying to watch the republican party of paul ryan and platform committee in cleveland try to figure out how to put it in writing.

donald trump won the primaries. this is his party. he won fair and square. but that doesn't fit with the republican party the last 25, 30 years i have been doing this. >> even the position on minimum wage, if he is saying he would like to see higher minimum wage, although he would like to leave it up to the states, seems at odds to what he said in the primary. >> there has always been a strain of economic populism with a lot of trump's policies, and if there were one or two policies that a republican could move to the middle on that would help in general election to win the white house, would probably be upper income tax cuts and something on wages, right? there are a lot of republican policy wonks thinks those are concessions a presidential candidate may want to make. doesn't have to look exactly like the democratic plan, but to do something on middle class wages would be exactly what you want to do against hillary clinton. unfortunately the problem for trump is he doesn't have a united republican party, he has conservatives that don't support

him. he can't be like nixon to china, can't go to the base and say i will make a couple concessions to win the election because he hasn't united the party yet. >> give the democrats a second. from an economic standpoint, you hear trump talk about printing more money in order to avoid default, does that worry you? >> yeah. there are two strikes on that. strike one, printing money is asking for inflation, the average american that bought treasury bills and tucked them for retirement will get dollars not worth much, doesn't allow them to maintain their life-style. secondly, only way to print the money is janet yellen, print the money, buy the debt. the influence of the fed is then gone. that's been a cornerstone for decades. >> do you see these as inconsistencies, him involving -- how do you see it. >> i don't think minimum wage is that big a deal. different states, 7.25 is good some places, not good other

places. washington, d.c. no way you could live with it. >> it is different than what he said in the primary. >> said the federal government shouldn't raise it, the states have the right to do it, he supports state rights to do that. >> in terms of printing more money. >> we have been printing money a long time, buying the debt for quite awhile. >> you don't see his statements as inconsistent. >> no. i think he was talking about what's going on today. what would happen if our interest rates went up 700 basis points. >> and debt is unsustainable, why did they go up 700 points. the answer is if you don't take care of the underlying problem, how much you tax and spend and get them to line up. all of these suggestions don't make economic sense and won't work in those circumstances. >> he is talking about bridging the gap -- >> sorry, didn't he talk about getting rid of the entire debt?

am i mistaken on that? >> no, he said for the record, he said i'm going to cut taxes by 12 trillion, increase military spending, get rid of $19 trillion of national debt. you can't do all three. >> i think to the extent there's a common thread with trump throughout the primary, it is economic populism and love of trump that goes without saying. then there's a problem that many conservatives see with supporting him, he is consistently inconsistent from day to day, he is saying something off the cuff that's his gut feeling at that moment, genuinely believes that's what's happening, it is not a pivot, nuance or strategy, you saw it in this cnbc interview when the reporter mentioned renegotiating debt, he took it and ran with it. had ex-at the present pran yus thoughts with it. that's how he runs his campaign. he hasn't had a lot of thoughts about these philosophies in the

past. >> i noticed in interviews with him that if an idea is suggested that maybe he doesn't have a firm handle on, he does to mary katherine's point grab it. >> punishing women. had chris matthews said you can punish women or the doctor i think he would have gone for the doctor, he would have known that's a better answer. but it does seem to be a recurring theme, doesn't it? >> i will butcher this quote. in one of his books he said something like the day he learned going with a gut instinct was as powerful as having a well thought out position was a revelation. it served him well. he just finished winning the republican nomination. we are in a different phase of the campaign, just going with gut and instinct on every policy position can get you in trouble. >> as a clinton supporter, are you reveling in this or does it worry you? >> it bothers me, i am an

american first. betting market, 40% chance he becomes the president. that's nonnegligible. the argument is he is not a conservative, he is a con man. he got 10 million votes. legitimately got 10 million plus votes by saying wages are too high. he told voters that, but taxes for the rich need to come down. he told voters that, he took positions in the primary for which he gained votes. now he is abandoning them. as his business world goes on trial for fraud. this is the same thing you see in politics. you'll hear democrats say this guy is a con man, fraud, how he conducts himself in business. god forbid he gets in office, that's howl conduct himself. >> democrats are rubbing their hands in eager anticipation. there's a long time between now and the election, trump has shown himself to be a formidable candidate. as paul said, he got a lot of votes. >> to paul's point, the fact con man, con man donald, i like that

better, the point of all of this is the fact that he could say that wages are too high, or the fact that you could say that $7.25 works in places. i don't know if you have family members like me that worked on minimum wage, it is not enough. i am not talking paycheck to paycheck, i talk about day to day. the fact he plays into emotions regardless what he thinks because honestly you don't know what he truly thinks. the other thing i want to raise to you, anderson, is because donald trump loves the bible, and because most often democrats are caught quoting it, there's a scripture in james 1:8 that says a double minded individual -- would come up with for him, he is not consistent. >> i want to you respond. we have to take a break. >> every taxpayer pays too much. that's what donald trump believes.

he talked about negotiating congress, so he pays more than he wants them to pay. this is a distinct without a difference. >> he is consistent, not flip flopping. >> he has to negotiate with congress on tax rates. >> you don't believe he is flip flopping and changing positions. >> but i raise minimum wage, that's a clear 180. >> he said federal government should raise minimum wage. that's what he believes. he thinks some states should. >> there should be no federal minimum wage. he said that wages are too high, period, in our economy, we can't compete with low wage countries like china. >> we understand that. >> but people have to live on that. >> los angeles and washington is different from cincinnati. >> doug, give you a thought and then we have to go to break. >> you need wages to be higher but do it in the way it makes them higher, higher productivity

and growth. i think what brian said was right. there are places republicans need to go in general elections. they have not been successful. john mccain wasn't, mitt romney wasn't, because they didn't go there. if you go there, find a policy and stick with it. go with taxes, tell us what the policy is. >> lot more to talk about, including the allegation that hillary clinton enabled her husband's infidelity. her reaction and he claims she's paying the woman card and says that nobody respects women more than he does. ♪ uh oh. oh. henry!

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for a candidate with record high numbers with women voters, he is not doing traditional outreach, he is lighting fires on whether to punish women if abortion was illegal, asked about it by chris matthews, accusing hillary clinton of playing the woman card, recently accusing her of complicity in her husband's infidelity. she responded. first how it all developed starting with this at a campaign appearance friday. >> nobody in this country and maybe in the history of the country politically was worse than bill clinton with women. he was a disaster. he was a disaster. i mean, there's never been anybody like this. and she was a total enabler. she would go after these women

and destroy their lives. she was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler, and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. >> he said much the same over the weekend. this morning on new day, chris cuomo asked him about it, after scolding him for not offering congratulations on the primary victory, trump accused him of blowing it out of proportion. >> chris, i spoke little to that. you took a small amount of the speech and built it up like it is the biggest thing in the world, but it is a big thing. look, he was the worst abuser of women. >> you said i'm making too much of it. now it is a big thing. >> every politician in the history of our country, he was impeached. he was impeached. then he lied about it. he said nothing happened with monica lewinsky, then said sorry, folks, it actually did happen, and the guy was impeached for lying. >> all of that can be true. what does that have to do with hillary. >> she can't talk about me

because nobody respects women more than donald trump and i'm going to take care -- i will be better for women by a big factor than hillary clinton who frankly i don't even think will be good to women. >> that was donald trump this morning. hillary clinton was asked about all of it late today. >> donald trump has really gone after your husband and even you as an enabler during the scandals of the 1990s. is that fair? is there anything to that? and do you think it will back fire on his cam ppaigncampaign? >> i am going to let him run his campaign however he chooses. i am running my campaign with positive changes for the country, specific plans that i think will help solve problems we're facing, knocking down barriers that stand in the way of people. i am going to continue to really reach out to people, to listen to people, and make the case for the kind of president that i would be. >> and are his claims accurate,

if not, do you feel any need to correct the record? >> i have nothing to say about him and how he's running his campaign. >> as for the allegations in the history and heart of all of this, lot of folks, many in this room lived through it, headline by tabloid headline, younger voters did not. here's a closer look from cnn's tom foreman. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss lewinsky. >> reporter: january, 1998. bill clinton is furiously and falsely denying a sexual relationship with a white house intern, and one day later, first lady hillary clinton blames not the president but his political foes. >> the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> reporter: in private conversations later, notes taken by a long time friend say

hillary clinton dismissed lewinsky as a narcissistic looney tune. while she called her husband's behavior grossly inappropriate, she said the affair was consensual, hinted it was spurred by political pressure he faced. it was a lapse. to his credit, he tried to break it off, pull it away, but it was beyond his control. earlier this year campaigning at a church, she appeared to talk about forgiving her husband. >> it is human nature to say you're not wanted. we know what you have been doing, we know what you have been up to. you go sleep in the bed you made. >> but she never overtly and publicly addresses the scandal. and in her 2003 book she says she defended the president because she believed him, erupting when he finally confessed, gulping for air, i started crying and yelling at him, what do you mean? what are you saying? why did you lie to me?

still, her handling of the matter is complicated. for example, when she says survivors of sexual assault have a right to be believed, her critics summon the names of women who accused her husband of just that. >> would you say that about wan neat a broad rick, paula jones, should we believe them as well? >> i would say everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence. >> reporter: it is a heroic stand for some voters and hypocrisy for others. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> back with the panel, joining us caylee is it fair to give it up given trump's own history? how do you see this playing out? >> very fair. donald trump does not have a

history of sexual assault. bill clinton does. hillary clinton has a history of dragging their names through the mud. look, anderson, 15.8% of sexual assault victims report the crime. just that small number because they're afraid of being demonized, not believed. juanita broad rick, paula jones, were not believed, they were demonized by her. as a woman, i am offended that hillary clinton didn't believe them, didn't come to their rescue. she demonized them, and has the audacity as tom foreman mentioned to send a tweet saying all victims of sexual assault deserve to be believed, unless they're the victims of bill clinton. it is complete hypocrisy. as a young woman, i am afended. women across the country that become aware of it won't vote for her based on this. >> mary catherine, what do you think? >> there are fair points about sexual assault victims and accusations of this kind. also points to be made about

tendency of the left to give democratic men a pass if they vote a certain way on bad sexual behavior and accusations of this kind. is donald trump the correct person to make the points or it is effective when he does? eh. he is not the perfect messenger on this and i don't think he becomes the perfect messenger. he doesn't follow rules of normal campaign if it was a regular republican campaign, i would say it is inadvisable. he may throw her off her game, make her nervous and mess up. in that clip she looked composed about it. >> you're pro-hillary clinton super pac, the campaign must be -- are they -- i know you're not working with the campaign, i asked her about this, is she prepared for it, she says she's prepared for whatever comes. >> i think mary katherine sees it right, that southern saying about you can tell a politician is hurt, they react. you saw hillary. she knows this. as somebody who lived through

this with them. the people that pushed those attacks suffered politically far more than president clinton, certainly far more than his wife who was an innocent bystander. who impeached clinton. hastert? tom delay? ken star who disappeared to waco, texas or something. they're on the ashing of political history. it boggles the mind as strategist aside from a friend of these people, hate to see them attacked, but as a strategist, when it failed when it was current news, is nil. >> the argument is different now. it is that donald trump's argument is that she was an enabler, went after the women. >> somehow her husband's misdeeds should be visited on her. i find it hard to believe. >> she had a part in running the campaign to discredit. >> that's not true. the comment that foreman ran where she criticized monica

lewinsky was a phone call. diane glare typed up notes from the conversations. they wound up in a public library, folks found them. it was not a public attack, a woman in pain, her husband committed infidelity, talking to her best friend, pointing out it was consensual. >> here we are talking about it. >> take a quick break. we will have more to discuss when we come back, including what donald trump said about bill clinton's impeachment. had a different take in 2008 saying she would make a great president. and there are tornadoes that killed at least two. the danger is not over. more on that ahead. and i'm doing just fine. claritin provides 24-hour relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 allergens. yeah, over 200 allergens! with claritin my allergies don't come between me and victory. live claritin clear. are you powered by protein?

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welcome back. talking about donald trump's attacks on hillary clinton, accusing her of complicity, enabling her husband's infidelity and sexual relationship with monica lewinsky. the senate acquitted president clinton of both the charges and

in 2008 mr. trump had a different take on impeachment and what led up to it. listen. >> look at the trouble bill clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant and they tried to impeach him which was nonsense. >> unimportant, nonsense in 2008. that was the year he said hillary clinton was very talented and very smart and would make a great president. back with the panel. barry, clearly this is not the only time this will be mentioned in this campaign. >> but this girl was 21 years old, had sex with the president on a couple of occasions at least in the oval office or offices nearby. and mrs. clinton is telling her friends that she's a narcissistic looney toon. how is that not outrageous. call denny hastert a jail bird.

>> serial child predator. >> well, whatever. >> really? >> and i am not going to defend him. i would be the first to say hastert should go to jail a long time. you call a 21-year-old girl that had sex with the president of the united states in the oval office a narcissistic looney toon? that's disgusting. >> i find it outrageous that human beings, regardless, i know this is a political panel, but let's be human a second. how would you expect for a woman whose husband cheated on her to behave? do you really think this should be oh, but i'm a feminist, grown woman, going to defend this woman saying my husband had sexual relation wes her. if you put yourself, you don't have to go to monica lewinsky incident, go to beyonce's lemon i'd. she talks about infidelity for women around the world who experienced it and they're the

victims. i don't understand how we got to a place where a woman running for president and didn't cheat on her husband is all of a sudden the predator, is the person to blame. is all of a sudden the person to blame. calling her an enabler. she should be ashamed of herself for criticizing this woman who cheated with her husband. >> a 21-year-old girl. >> i don't care. >> i do care a lot. >> you want to humanize this. i am glad you do want to. as a young woman, are you comfortable with the fact that hillary clinton demonized people that accused her husband of sexual assault? as a young woman you should be appalled by that. >> you're telling me what i should be appalled by. >> one at a time. >> i talk to women on college campuses that are terrified to report what happened because they're scared of being demonized, exactly what hillary clinton did to these women. i hope they're in a campaign ad

saying this is how i dealt with hillary clinton. >> you mean to tell me if your boyfriend cheats on you, you don't have anything bad to say about the woman he cheated with, if she's 21 or 40? let's be honest. >> if my boyfriend has a repeated history of sexual assault accusations, i am the first to challenge that and say i am going to listen to the women. >> you didn't answer the question. >> let me tell you what your candidate did, since you want to come for sexual assault, this is a tweet from your favorite candidate. may 7, 2013. this is a quote. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, only 238 convictions, what do these geniuses expect when they put men and women together. how is that for sexual assault? >> i am concerned about active demonization of your candidate. >> i am talking as a woman who has experienced infidelity, i am speaking as a woman who has seen it happen to other people i care

about. i am telling you i have never been on the side of the other person who was in the bed with the offender ever. >> angela, women you now say it was wrong of hillary clinton to demonize these women that are innocent women. juanita broderick said she grabbed her hand, sent chills down her spine. she thought it was a threat. >> when you say hillary clinton was demonizing these people, what evidence are you pointing to? >> i am pointing to the incident i just mentioned where juanita broderick who accuses bill clinton of violent rape, so much so she had marks on her upper lip. >> that was never proven. >> she came out many years later. that's a psychological thing with many sexual assault victims. >> i am not attacking or criticizing, i want to set the record straight, that was never proven. ken starr, to my knowledge -- >> it is an accusation. the accusation is an accusation as well. >> an accusation in line with

many other accusations, paula jones. you have to ask kwl did bill clinton settle that case. >> you have to be careful with slander, counselor. >> in terms of john, where this goes forward, obviously this discussion is very heated and brings up emotion, understandably for people. this is something i feel like we're going to see a lot of moving forward. donald trump brought it up in a speech. to your point, it is not the main focus of the campaign, but donald trump even this morning said it is not a big deal but it is a big deal. >> trump started this several months ago during the primaries, brought it up. no question he thinks on occasion he will use them going forward. paul is right, every time this has been tried by republicans before against bill clinton, it hasn't worked in the past. will it work against hillary clinton? will it work in the cycle we are in now? the answer is we don't know. trump is an unorthodox candidate who has proven he does things,

says john mccain is not a war hero, we say a-ha. you think it is out of bounds, he thinks it is out of bounds. trump has consistently rewritten the rules and proven he is going to do this. >> i believe you brought it up first, i may be wrong, brought up a time when hillary clinton suggested sexism on donald trump's part. he used this to blunt that attack. trump said subsequently he feels that silenced that attack from the clintons. >> there are three stages of death by donald, one, i can't believe he is saying that, number two, that won't work, number three, that's not what the election is about. dozens of primary candidates saw it, they're gone, he is here. the discussion of substance is real an important, but he has done it before in other areas, attacking john mccain, that's a terrible idea, not what the election is about. won't work. teflon. >> he only succeeded in that

strategy, douglas, in republican primaries, they're monochromatic. older white men. when you expand that -- >> to the point, there is an issue of what's right and wrong. it would have been easier for them in their personal lives to shut up about it. there is this issue where bringing this forward to a younger generation of women who don't know the details of the stories might have just enough impact giving them the icky feeling they already had about hillary clinton. >> be honest, best example was 1998, republicans ran on this, lost. that's what people point to as politically not potent. never been tried against hillary clinton. she didn't have the affair. i am saying politically, uncharted territory. i talked to someone that worked for ted cruz. do you think donald trump can win the general election? said he could win. i said why.

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meetings, find a way to unify the party. the states have potential hurdles. john king is here to break it down by the numbers. trump says he can win even if the party isn't unified by reaching out to democrats and of during primaries. >> could he be right, yes, is he right based on data. his argument is i will get crossovers and democrats to vote up to make up for republicans that stay home. in the latest poll, 94% of democrats, democrats say 94% voting for hillary clinton. only 5% for donald trump. election day 2012, 92% said they voted for the president, 7% voted for mitt romney. taking into account a margin of error in the poll, trump is not doing as well as romney, or about the same. this should be about a tie with the margin of error. trump, are there thousands and millions of crossover democrats ready to come to donald trump?

this suggests he is running about mitt romney levels, that's frankly not good enough. >> a lot of gop leaders seem to be wrestling with what to do with donald trump. what about voters? >> let's walk through independents. among independents, donald trump says they're coming to me. that's one of the reasons for the attacks, turn the independents away. 51% for hillary clinton, 40% for donald trump. compared to election day, president obama won a landslide, hillary clinton is doing significantly better than barack obama did with independents. and mitt romney won independents on election day. donald trump is not now. that's another problem for trump's argument. he says he will get democrats and independents, anderson, to the last question you asked. in our poll there is some evidence that republicans are drifting, not a lot, some drift to hillary clinton. 84% of republicans in the new latest poll last week say they're voting donald trump. 12% of republicans say they're

voting for hillary clinton. that's double the number of republicans that voted for president obama on his re-election day in 2012. there's some evidence early on. six months to the election. a lot can change. trump is not doing any better than mitt romney with democrats, doing significantly worse than mitt romney with independents, and the drift of republicans voting for the democrats, romney had a small case of it. right now, anderson, donald trump has 12%. not huge, but that's significant. >> john king, stay with us. want to bring in the panel. do you think the numbers hold? it is long time between now and election day. >> before paul ryan dropped that bomb last week, i would have said you're going to see tightening of republicans coalescing around trump. it is natural for republicans who dislike hillary clinton to sort of make their peace with his candidacy and rally around him. the fact that ryan is holding out, sent a signal to republicans in the house, senate, states that they can do the same, too, unless they get

something out of donald trump. i think that means you go, you have a divided party and you're giving the green light for republican voters not to turn out election day. until they fix that, i think it is a huge worrying time. >> how do you see the rift between paul ryan and donald trump working out? >> that remains to be seen. i think it is fair for paul ryan who is conservative and for many of us who don't see trump as an ideal candidate to say you disagree with us on a ton of things. there's no indication that you are i did logically conservative or believe the things we believe in. maybe you should do work to prove that to us to get our vote. that seems a reasonable proposition for somebody that has shown himself to be wildly inconsistent. >> i think the rift is over thursday. and to the point, that poll was before end of the primary. we have seen in current polling major healing is already occurring. these numbers will be

drastically different. >> there will be some coalescing. it will not be -- >> maybe not on main street but in america there will be. >> i think he is going to have to unless he fixes that. the reality, we never elected a republican president without that person getting 91% of republicans. trump is substantially below that for a long time. that's the first test. if that doesn't happen, he has to find a way to get to democrats and independents. i don't think he wins on his personality, i think it will come down to policies. what are they going to be. that's what people are waiting for. >> going to take a quick break. up next, deadly destruction after huge tornadoes touched down in oklahoma. terrifying images caught on camera. look at some of them. the storms continue. that's next when 360 continues. then more politics after that.

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breaking news tonight. massive tornadoes hit oklahoma, killing at least two people as we reported at the top of the broadcast. tornado emergencies were issued in several towns in the southern part of the state, warning of a life threatening situation. look at the videos. national weather service warned of catastrophic damage.

meteorologist jioins me with th latest. what about the storm's path? >> we are seeing discrete cells, part after powerful system raking across the south central states. this is moving across what's known this time of year as tornado alley. and it is not over yet. we still have part of a tornado watch which goes until about another hour or so. and then another one has been issued for the ark-la-tex, texas, louisiana, arkansas. there are about 4 million people that are under the gun for the potential for tornadic activity. this video is amazing. what we did see are a number of vehicles racing toward the tornado. it turns out those were the storm chasers looking at this, what would order necessarily be called a magnificent tornado. they'll get the national weather service folks out to survey the damage. we already know about the two fatalities, one in garvin county in oklahoma, and south of that

in johnson county. reports of another fatality there. they estimate between five and ten homes have been damaged or destroyed. couple things we looked at, the signature as we look at the radar, when you see that comma shaped echo on the oklahoma radar, that indicates a tornado is possibly on the ground or spotted. strong rotation also associated with this. if you look at that video carefully, you can see debris flying up from the bottom of that system as well. as i mention, there's still a tornado watch. this time looks like some of the cells are moving over into arkansas. there's video out of garvin county, this to the south of paul's valley where about 4:00 this afternoon we started to see this fire up during the afternoon as we have plenty of debris to show you. they will assess the damage across this region, they'll

estimate the intensity of the tornado, either ef-0 or 5. if i had to guess, i would say an ef 3 or 4, winds up to 160 miles per hour, anderson. but still violent weather is not over and we'll continue to update you into the next hour. back to you. >> incredible to see it so close. we will check back next hour. meanwhile, weather is cooperating in the fight against a fire in canada. no celebrating to be had yet. 10% of the city of fort mcmurray destroyed. at least 2400 structures burned to the ground. at least 700 firefihters are working with 300 more on the way. the fire is out of control. 0% contained after burning 400,000 acres. lower temperatures started to arrive. chance of rain, tiny bit of good news, coming late for 90,000 people forced to leave homes, many of whom have nothing to return to. a live update on the fire in the next hour of 360.

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