good evening, donald trump making headlines for things he's said, for peopleoffended, in other words, welcome to monday. all of the above stands out for most mondays, because this is the first where donald trump is the undisputed presumptive nominee. and donald trump, as we certainly know is not most candidates. his pivot so far includes concerning financial experts and

potentially alienating women voters with the opponent he calls crooked hillary. >> reporter: hillary clinton isn't taking the bait. >> i have nothing to say about him and how he's running his campaign. >> reporter: donald trump is running his campaign by reviving old clinton controverscontrover. >> she's married to a man who's the worst abuser of women in the history of politics. she's married to a man who's hurt many women and hillary hurt many women, the women he abused. >> reporter: clinton says she's not responding to that. ium. >> i'm answering him all the time. >> so, your arer responding with substance. >> i'm running my campaign. i'm not running against him. he's doing a fine job of doing that himself. i'm running my campaign, what i stood for, what i've always stood for. >> reporter: her battle with

trump already hardening. >> there's still a challenge which is equal pay for women. >> reporter: trump defending his comments telling chris cuomo that she played the woman's card first. women always a pivotal vote, she leads trump nationally among women. according to the latest orc poll. clinton is taking her message to small groups of voters, like this gathering today at a cafe in virginia. >> i'm accused of playing the gender card and all of that and the fact is that it's a real problem. >> reporter: she won the virginia primary but she's back with a general election in mind. >> it's clear that there are so many challenges facing young family today that we have got to come to grips with. >> reporter: the path to the white house goes directly through subsrbs like here in

virginia. clinton visited for this reason, president obama carried the county by 8% in 2008 and only three points four years later, but in the 2014 mid-term elections, republican barbara comstalk won by 17 points and now she's torn, saying i can't support hillary clinton and i won't be but donald trump needs to earn the votes of me and many others. these swing voters will be key to the fall election. he's still trying to build comp tense and particularly wooing women. >> president barbie, the first barbie commander and chief. >> oh, neat. >> don't you want to play with her? >> now, what is the campaign saying about why hillhoary clinn isn't responding directly to the allegations? >> quite simply they believe

voters don't want to hear about this anymore. women voters in particular, certainly didn't like it then and won't like it now. they want to hear what she would do for them. that's why we saw the clinton campaign out there, secretary clinton talking about child care, health care, other things. they're trying to take the high road for now and believe that will work in the long term because they believe they have such a significant advantage among women voters and others. but there's that open question that donald trump is a unique candidate here. all of his attacks worked so well in the primary. but for now the clinton campaign believes and certainly secretary clinton believes "i'm not responding to him." she does not want to gelt drawn into this. the question is will bill clinton respond to this? he's been known to go off message. so, i'll be watching that in the coming days. >> and at some point they'll be

on a stage debating each other. we'll see how that goes. donald trump says he doesn't have a problem among women voters. >> he does at the moment. if he doesn't improve it, he can't win the white house in november. we asked registers voters, women, 61% to 35%. that's 26 points right there. it's near impossible. i can't figure out how you get elected president if this is your gender gap. president obama won in in a electeral college land slide. 55% voted for the president on election day. donald trump neesds to get somewhere in this territory or better than mitt romney. now, can he get there? he's got six months but as he tries, the horse race numbers can be changed but it's hard to change them when you have this number, which is only 34%, women

registered voters, only 34% view him favorably. he has a convention, he has six months to change it. can it be done? of course, but is he starting in a huge ditch? he is. >> he says there's a lot of time and hillary clinton has high unfavorables and this is much to do about nothing. >> hes said i just won the republican primaries, convincingly and that's a valid point. but republican primaries and the demographics are very different than a general election. they tend to be majority men. women are a small eer slice of e electorate. nevada, virginia, michigan, new york, pennsylvania. only in florida were women the majority of the voters and you see 48%, just over 50 in florida but in the general election, we

know from history it will be significantly different. 53% of the voters in 2012 on election day in november were women. 51% in michigan. look at the difference between the republican primary and the general election in new york. so, anderson, in november he's going to compete in an electorate that will be majority women and in some of them, if you look, 55, 55, 53. by a significant margin. so, you can't win the presidency with a 26-point gender gap. he has six months s but there'o doubt at the moment he has a problem. >> in the last hour, got pretty heated. and daily caller contribcontrib matt lewis. mary catherine, let's start off with you. it just feels like this is just the beginning of this kind of discussion?

we're going to hear a lot more about it. >> it's just the beginning of the general election. we saw him flip numbers in a really serious way, things people thought could never go that direction and they did. >> the hole he couldn't get above 35%. >> he had a cathedral ceiling. >> and they kept raiseing it. >> and what's interesting is the distinction that john makes between the primary and the general. he often speaks of the general as if it is the same as the primary. it does not respond to the same things. he has changed a lot of rules but i -- >> this issue of hillary clinton, the attack on her as an enabler, do you think that plays well among republicans and independents? >> we've seen republican candidate after republican candidate bend over backwards, i'm a good guy, i'm not a misogynist and they play the woman card every time.

mitt romney was destroyed by the -- i'm the most decent guy you could ever meet. republicans finally somebody who's going to go on the offensive and take the battle to hillary. i think part of this is psychological warfare. it's not about the actual issue. he brings up the whole rafael cruz is involved in the assa assassination of jfk. it got ted cruz off his message. he gave this crazy press conference. we'll see if she slips up. >> a warning that i guess trump believes he used effectively, he countered with this enabler after the sexist and it seemed to, in trump's estimation, stop the clinton push. >> fis >> i can tell you it doesn't

play well with this republican woman. i have a real problem with trump going there. this needs be issues oriented. and i really have an issue, i haveo tell you, with a guy like donald trump, really is he the best messenger on an issue like infidelity? i don't think so. he had the enabler and the fulanderer at his wedding and he maxed out and gave the fulanderer's foundation hundreds of thousands of dollars. from the political angle, from every angle. >> and speaking of controlling the news cycle, we're talking about him right now. >> can donald trump make this argument when back in 2008, we played the video in the last hour, he said this was much to do about nothing essentially. >> this is all everybody's talking about and that is

absolutely correct, this unifies the party. so, this is not a bad strategy. >> this unifies the party. >> no, it doesn't. >> you're wrong. >> that's because we're not unified. if you think the party is unified, you're living in the universe of narnia. >> i think that on most of the best majority of republicans are going to enjoy going on the offense and by the way she's hypocritical on this, this shows her hypocrisy, you talked about it thin last segment, about the fact that she was essentially trying to discredit women. that's a vital issue. that's legitimate. >> i want paul and the others to be able to respond. we're going to have more on this discussion.

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and trump claims that he will, in his own words be better for women by a big factor than hillary clinton. that's a quote. so, are his tactics -- so, his tactics are open debate and back with the panel. we saw the conversation in midsentence. and also, there are lot of younger women who were not alive or sort of of voting age during the '90s, aren't aware of the history here and this might all be new stuff? >> it is. but it's also literally prehistoric to them. and one of the laws of politics is that elections are about the future and not the past and this attack violates both of those rules. he said this will unify the republicans. that may well be but it also explains that it's just a tactic. he invited the clintons to his wedding, praised president clinton after the afair became

known, and he's just trying to put one over and it will work on some people but they tend to be republican voters anyway. married women went to mitt romney by 7 points and going to hillary by 12. so, he has to makeup 19 points just to lose. unmarried women went to president obama -- he can't win unless he gets better with women. i think this is going to make him worse. >> if donald trump believes this so vehementally, why back in 2008 did he say the opposite and invite them to his wedding? >> a lot of things have changed, one thing being linda trip saying i was just down the hall and sat and heard her come up with lies to demonize these women. and i think this is going to be very effective with women, not

only the allegations with respect to her personal life but the news day reported on a 1975 rape case in which hillary clinton blamed the victim. 101 when dealing with rape cases, she blamed a 12-year-old girl, a sixth grade 12-year-old girl of fantasizing about being with older men -- >> wait a minute, we haven't corroborated any of this -- >> it's widely reported. >> so is the national inquirer. not on this network, i would point out. >> there's an audiotape where she laughs about the defendant and says look, he passed a polygraph and i forever lost my faith in polygraphs. >> your point is? >> she demonized the rape victim, people can look up the audio on youtube. she has a long history with respect to her legal work of demonizing sexual assault victims. it's going to be put in an ad

and hillary clinton's going to suffer for that. >> do you think this is something that's going to go as she says? >> no, i don't. i really believe number one, as an attorney, i am really just flabbergasted by some of the allegations that we're just tossing out that are not -- we have to be accountable -- >> kaly's right about the audio, it was broken more than a year ago, it was dug up by a reporter p. there is actual evidence of her speaking -- >> the full depth and breath of what has been spoken tonight is not. i think we need to be careful with our words and still run great election coverage and have a great debate on real tangible issues and unfortunately for trump supporters this is really hard because you don't know where he stands from day to day. >> but for a new generation of women who were not alive or of voting age, how do you think

this plays? >> i don't think this plays well. whether you know someone who's been cheateds on, it's always wrong to blame someone who didn't participate in that. i think there are women everywhere who can appreciate that. maybe they have parents that are divorced because a mother or father cheated. >> did your candidate have affairs? >> i don't know personally if he did or didn't. >> what's been reported? >> we know that people he's been married three different times and people love to bring that up over and over and over again but i know he has never demonized sexual assault victims? >> the military base i brought up earlier. >> you took it completely out of context. there -- >> the question is, is donald trump the right person to be bringing up -- the issue was is donald trump the right person to be bringing these things up and if if it was such a big deal for

him, why was it not in 2008? >> i think he is the right person to bring it up and if we really want the right person to bring it up, i think paula jones should be on this network. we should bring on the victims, if we don't want to hear it from donald trump, let them have their day in court right now. >> it's not court, kaly. >> much like the bill clinton case, the donald trump fulandering, infidelity was also played out on national media. we all read about the fight between marlau maples and ivonna trump. i don't think we should charge or accuse hillary clinton on that. i want to know what they're going to do for me today, and tomorrow to make our lives better. frankly, it's disingenuous to be on national tv and say you don't know what donald trump's marital

history was. >> you don't care about affairs but do you care about the actions with respect to the victims? let's take bill clinton out of this. do you care about hillary's actions with respect to the victims? >> i care about national security. i care about education. i care about the economy. i care about jobs and if anybody's going to make those charge s against, it 14should b the women and most definitely not be a man who we all know, including you cheated on his wife. >> they can't get national attention. they have made accusations to places like the daily mail. but i'm surprised that you don't care about these women. it goes to integrity. >> i said i don't care about allegations that have been lit ga igated 20 years ago, particularly since bill clinton is not on the ballot.

judge her by her actions, her deeds. >> i only brought up her actions. >> we're saying that hillary has said nasty things about some of these women, at least in private conversations. >> a private conversation with her best friend. do you think it's fair game to criticize her for being unhappy in a private phone call? >> she didn't say anything about her husband in that phone call? >> didn't make the story but she did. >> this all started because hillary clinton back in december attacked donald trump for being a misogynist. she tried to play the war on women card that democrats run every cycle in recent history and donald trump said okay, we're going to push back a little bit. >> he said he wants to punish women -- >> this is politics. >> so, he is a misogynist. >> donald trump is showing us that he is gender blind when it comes to attacking and counter

attacking. >>melannia herself has said. >> a lot of male candidates tip toe around stuff regarding women. how do we prepare to run against a woman? donald trump is laying it all out there. he's going to counter attack whether -- >> if john mccain or mitt rom nay were running against her -- >> we saw how hillary clinton responded to this. can she continue to respond to it in the same way? >> trump has raced this for months and he's 52 points behind with unmarried women. 12 points behind with married women. it's not working. that's why hillary knows if she makes the election about her lives and not hers, they'll both be better off. the thing you did with him with the family, that's the best thing he's done with the campaign. both of the trump and the

hillary clinton families are going to be fine. the question is will your family be fine? >> the whole thing is emblematic of the cunundroom the republican party is on. and it might unify to some degree, not all of us but in the most costic way possible for the general election. and for specifically that woman gap. >> but this could be setting the table -- i don't know if trump is -- i know he's very smart, but if he's disciplined enough to do this. but he could be inoculating himself now so that down the road they won't use it again. >> which would be a smart political move. >> i think they're rattling that cage they keep bill clinton in seeing if they can rattle it. >> what and who are the biggest

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as we've been reporting, it's a crucial moment for the republican party with a critical meeting just days away. donald trump will meet with gop leaders in washington, including paul ryan, he said on cnn last week that he's not ready yet. he's not alone, not by a long shot. tonight the gop's party divided from the grass roots to its leaders. >> reporter: as the grand ole party churns in term oil, he's reminding gop voters chose him for a reason. >> i have people that i'm representing. they're unbelievable people, they're loyal, they're smart, sharp. they're tired of being abused. >> reporter: and some establishment republicans are getting on board. today, terry of iowa, the longest serving governor in u.s. history.

>> he's going to be the nominee for our party and i'm a team player and i'm going to support him. >> reporter: and even house speaker paul ryan who detonated a political bomb buy with holding support, looks like he's trying to cool things off. ryan told a paper back home, the man deserves a ton of credit for an amazing achievement. at the same time we don't want to pretend we're unified and go into the fall at half strength. and after trump suggested he would ask ryan to step aside as the head of the republican convention, paul said he would oblige. >> he was very supportive and nice. i thought everything was fine and then i got blindsided. >> reporter: other high profile republicans are digging into the gop divide. trump supporter, sarah palin said she'll even work to help

defeat ryan in his republican primary. >> paul ryan and his ilic, their problem is they've become so disconnected from the people they're elected to represent. >> reporter: palin's running mate, john mccain says he won't go to the republican convention but says he is with trump. he's facing a tough sen lt reelection bid and has been careful not to anger republican voters there. >> you have to listen to people who have choseen the nominee of our republican party. i think it would be foolish to ignore him. >> reporter: and that puts him at odds with his policy soul mate, lindsey graham. >> are you the one out of step with your party? >> could be. i would have supported all 16 except for the donald. the republican party has been kind and he's not a reliable conservative republican. >> what more do we know about this meeting on thursday?

>> that's a new one. the republicans in the senate, the leadership starting with the top guy, the majority leader, mitch mcconnell, they're going to have a meeting with donald trump. my understanding is that aside from the obvious, trying to figure out how they can try to bridge this very, very big gap within the party is that they need to try to figure out who he is. because donald trump isn't a washington player. he's not somebody who is very well known to them. most of these top leaders here in washington know him mostly from television. first and foremost, they want to try to get to know him and see what he's really like behind the scenes. whereas in the past, however many nominees, it hasn't been that hard because they've known them. the other interesting development is that deed iedra h

confirmed that the trump campaign through armstrong williams is reaching out to paul ryan to try to get ben carson, a trump emsary to meet with ryan before the trump meeting. this is the kind of thing that happens at the state department before you have a meeting before a meeting so it goes well. the fact that it's happening between the house speaker and the nominee i think is a bet telling. >> telling indeed. and joining us former head of the u.s. government accountsability office. how do you see this all playing out? i mean, this week and beyond. >> it's a mess right now. and i hope the general election campaign will be about the future in policy, rather than about the past in personalities. i think ultimately that speaker ryan and donald trump will reconcile. >> sooner rather than later? >> i think they'll reconcile. the fact is the speaker has a

role to play and an obligation to support the republican nominee, whoever that is. it's the republican voters that are deciding who the nominee is and quite frankly, i think the quote on quote establishment hasn't come to realize that many voters view them as part of the problem, not the solution. >> and he has a responsibility, as i would say the inheritor of the conserve trv movement and that wing is living in exile and if paul ryan allows his brand of conservative to be tarnished by donald trump, that would be a bad thing. he has to keep in mind how do we keep the regan-kemp model from being coopted. >> do you think some of the comments about the economy, printing more money out, are reckless? >> i think he hasn't thought through all the issues yet, frankly and i would imagine he'll be doing more homework on

this. there's only two things in the u.s. constitution that are guaranteed. number one, debt of the united states and the second is union civil war pensions. i think we've paid those. my family was from alabama. we weren't covered for some reason. but you don't have to worry about that and our interest rates are so low, if they go up, you don't want to buy back what we have. but we are an unsustainable path. we do need somebody willing to take that on and we do need to cut a deal. >> donald trump has ideas and maybe he's unconventional, but he won? >> yes, he won and that's something that everybodys acceps but what they don't know is what does the future hold for the policies? paul ryan has seven task forces in the house. they're there to essentially set

up a platform for how it should be run. that is the paul ryan vision for the future of america. so, where does that fit in the republican party now as being led by donald trump. >> barry bennet said he thinks this is less about specific policy and more about broader issues about conserve trv principals, limited government. >> it's about getting to know each other on a personal basis too. they don't know each other very well. >> does it surprise you to have paul ryan coming out so publicly on jake tapper's show last week? >> the fact of the matter is they need to focus on priorities and principals at this point and the fact is yes, they need to work together but ultimately, the chief executive of the united states, the president of the united states has to lead and they have to work together to get things done and frankly,

it's been a while since we've had that. >> i wasn't surprised, quite frankly. he has a personal commitment to the jack kemp vision for america and the policies he's developing and an obligation to make sure they retain their house majority and he's not ready to check that box because he's not sure he can meet those commitments. >> and he's concerned about congressional senate races. >> there's been open discussion about whether the house is the fire wall. will the house be able to stand and republicans retain control? paul ryan is going to investigate that very carefully before he says yes to anything. how evangelicals feel about trump ♪

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. well, donald trump has the supportive number of evangelical leaders and many self-identified evangelical voters. not all are on board. many church-going evangelicals don't have a horse in the presidential race. and russell moore has been a vocal critic of trump and most

recently in the new york times on friday. and trump wrote back saying russell moore is a truly terrible representative of evangelicals and all they believe -- joining me chief correspondent and president of the southern baptist convention ethics commission. i want you to give a chance to respond about donald trump's tweet about you this morning. >> it's one of the view things i can agree with donald trump on. i am a nasty guy with no heart. we say worst things about ourselves in our hymns on sunday morning. we're a retch in need of god's grace. but that's the reason i need forgiveness from god through jesus christ. but beyond that i think we have real issues with evangelical

christians in the direction both parties are going. >> so, the position that evangelicals find themselves in and it's silly to use that term as a painting with a broad brush but having to choose between donald trump and most likely hillary clinton, you say many are horrified in your words. >> yes, horrified and many are thinking through i hear all day long, every day from evangelicals who are thinking through whether they're going to write in a candidate, vote for a tu third party, whether they're not going to vote in that election, whether they're going to try to come up with the lesser of two evilals in their voting. it's a real crisis for many evangelicals but what i hear most of all is does this mean america is under the judgment of god? there are many christian s wondering what does this mean for our country when neither

major party nominee for president of the united states is someone that they can respect, point their children to. i'm the father of five sons and when i look at this presidential candidate, the way he talks about women and treats sexiality and talks about basic moral principals and i don't even want my children to watch this. that's the burden that is weighing on a lot of people of faith right now. >> david, i mean, cnn has had exit polls measuring the entrance of white evangelical voters. trump won in 17 of those states, average 40% support across all 26 states, cruz 31%. so, he is winning those voters as he is more than willing to point out. >> yeah, he's winning the voters and if you look closer that cnn numbers as well, look at weekly church goers. donald trump is pulling in about 40%, 40% of weekly church goers. the narrative in the mainstream

media is that donald trump just does well with the cultural christians, the ones that show up on easter or christians but there's lot more to it. weekly church goers are a big part of trump's evangelical attraction and that's the dirty secret a lot of folks in the media don't want to talk about. >> in your oped, you take a look at the history of the church through the '50s, the '60s, their response to the civil rights movement. why is that important to look at given the context of this race. >> many think old, angry white people, when in fact it's far broader than that. we're a multigenerational, multiethnic revolution of the gospel of jesus christ. a church that i knew of that

said nothing during the civil rights movement, when you had literally down the road from that church little girls being blown apart by terrorists in this country and the church had nothing to say about issues of racial justice and then later, when the church tried to rooech african american people in the community, they found the community didn't want to hear from them and rightly so because they said when you had the opportunity to speak up, you said nothing. i think we're in a similar moment right now when we see the race baiting and the misogyny we've seen all of this year. if you have people not willing to say the things we have said about decency and morality, that applies to everyone, not just our political opponents, we don't have credibility left for the future. >> do you hear that debate? >> i hear some of that for sure. the bottom line is donald trump has work to do as it relates to mobilizing those grass roots,

evangelical voters who are the ones on the ground doing the dirty work. everybody talks about how candidates have to move to the center. i think he needs to move more to the right. he's already pretty much in the sen center of things. if he can move to the right, he's going to need help from pastors around the country and my reporting soon will indicate that, that will be exactly what is going to be happening. mitt romney was not the social conservative candidate for evangelicals necessarily and same thing with john mccain. so, folks talking about donald trump, evangelicals have been burned before. they're looking for something a bit different. >> good to have you on, both of you. coming up, breaking news, an update from the weather center next. and the latest on an out of control fire in canada.

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>> we estill have the watches, which have bing issued across portions of the deep south. this is typically what is known as tornado alley. you can see the impressive tornado. now, they'll send out crews looking that damage associated with this. this is to the south of oklahoma city. a fantastic tornado for the most part, this is a fairly sparsely populated area. but they are saying there are plenty of power outages. we have 2 or 3,000 reports of power outages but a number of homes have been destroyed across this region. estimates are between 5 and 1000 homes destroyed. there are still tornado watches out but they have shifted to the east. areas around little rock one of the areas that could be effected boo ithe strong to severe storms overnight and across north central sections of texas, this is where we have tornado wanchings in effect. that means they've either been spotted or there have been

reports or they have been indicated on doppler radar. as we go into the next 24 hours, kansas city, st. louis, little rock, nashville, memphis, we're looking at the major cities that could see the potential for severe weather. back to you. >> that's something they actually call it because it's fantastic from a non-weather standpoint. >> they were able to -- the storm spotters were able to see this, capture it on video. they could see the debris field associated with this and they will probably make estimates as to what the scale, an enhanced and they'll say probably assess at an ef 3 or 4 most likely. >> unbelievable the pictures. let's just hope everybody stays safe throughout the night. and the weather is starting to help the 700 firefighters working on the massive fire in

canada. it's 700 miles north of helena, montana. it can be seen from space. they're simply devastating. 90,000 people evacuated. 400,000 acres burned. the fire zero percent contained. the pictures show just how bad it is. now, describe for us some of what you saw today, dan. >> reporter: hey, anderson, i have korved a lot of wild fires and this ranks up there with the worst devastation i've ever seen. the first is beacon hill, your typical middle class neighborhood. it has dozens, if not hundreds of homes. i didn't see a single one standing. pretty much the same thing at the second neighborhood we went to. homes burned down to their foundations. twisted metal and wreckage, things of that nature. another thing that struck me as we were driving around the town was the landscape.

alberta is very pretty during this time of year and there are so many burned out trees that it's everywhere and it's going to take a long time for the lush greenery to come back in certain places. >> are residents still without shelter? what is it like for them? >> reporter: this is a terrible situation for residents. you're talking nearly 90,000 people who have been forced to evac jot. and right now there's no power, gas, or clean water and i spoke to a single mother of two children and she has servical cancer. she's staying at a friend's cottage and look what she had to say. >> and you don't know when we can go back and when you're going to see your kids again. it's tough. you just try to do the best you can. just try to stay positive and tell them everything's going to be okay but really you don't

know if everything's going to be okay. it's emotional for sure. >> reporter: yeah, authorities say they know how she's feeling and they want to help her but they say they're not going to allow anybody back in until that area is safe,and rson. >> and 0% contained. we have more ahead. what a lovely home you have. is this your family? yea, that's my daughter, my son, and that's my... hey, kool-aid man! ...husband. oh yeah!!! [ crashing ]

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