>> or gal. >> we're the people who are going to be running the country soon, so you're going to have to start listening to us. >> some smart kiddos, no? up next, michael smerconish spoke with trump's spokesman in 1991, the person who may have been trump himself. michael smerconish starts now. i'm michael smerconish. who is this guy kidding? of course it's him! >> where did you come from? >> i basically worked for different firms. i worked for a couple of different firms. i'm somebody that knows, and i think somebody that everyone likes. >> here with me today, the "people" magazine reporter who

interviewed this guy in 1991 calling himself john miller, she's got an amazing theory as to why this tape suddenly surfaced. and the only thing stranger than the presumptive nominee pretending to be his own public cy publicist when talking to a reporter on the phone call was his refusal to fess up. >> it was not me on the phone. it was not me on the phone. it doesn't sound like me on the phone,ly tell that you, and it was not me on the phone. >> how do our allies view a potential trump candidacy? i'll talk to a czar who served as both a republican and democratic president. will this year's final issue be transgender bathrooms? but first, i wonder what paul ryan and other reluctant republicans are thinking about donald trump today. the week began triumphantly for

trump, having vanquished all his republican opponents, he headed to washington to speak with paul ryan but also those within the gop who still have reservations about the billionaire businessman. the meeting was both substantive and symbolic. by all accounts, it went well. when it all ended, ryan was closer to an endorsement of trump. and then things took bizarre turns. first the butler did it. trump's former valet was caught making racial statements about president obama which trump quickly disavowed. but then trump was confronted with a voice from his past: his own. in 1991, speaking with a "people" magazine reporter, speaking about trump's love life, he posed as a pr executive

john miller with a word choice we've come to know from the mogul. it talks about how people, even madonna, were all pursuing trump. the only strange thing about his phone call was defying all our ears when he said it wasn't him. finally the first presidential candidate in 40 years not to release tax returns was asked about his tax bracket, he got all snippy and says it's not our business. the weekends with 71 days before election, and those republicans who were warming to trump with renewed biassed remorse about his candidacy and concerns over what else was to come. not that trump's core constituency will care about what the candidacy calls low attacks from the media, you have to wonder how any of this will help him. in 1991, john miller claims, bad press never hurts trump.

>> some people would say he got bad press three or four months ago, now he's starting to get good press. i don't know if you would call this good press, but i've never seen somebody so immune. he actually thrived on the bad press initially. >> joining me now is sue carswell, the former "people" reporter who trump gave the infamous interview, now working for "vanity fair." did you release this tape? >> no. >> how did it get into play? >> two people had a tape. i had a tape and trump had a tape. and i don't have a tape. >> how do you think it got into play? >> it didn't get to the "washington post" through me. >> so? >> trump. >> you think trump dropped this tape. >> yeah. >> why would he do that? >> look what's going on this week. taxes, paul ryan, the butler did it, and now trump seems to like to pull "people" magazine type stories into the fray. >> so it's a continuation of

what john miller told you back in 1991, that there is no such thing as bad publicity, so trump now getting banged over the taxes, the butler comes out and says outrageous things about president obama, he thinks, you know what, a little diversion here is in order. >> what's weird is 25 years and all of a sudden this comes forward. there is no reason for it to come guaforward at all. >> there was no watergate breakup in your apartment where somebody could have -- >> this is watergate. >> people are watching, and some are transfixed by it, but some say, what's the relevance? who cares? >> who cares? he's running for president. it's all about the character of the president and whether he should be in the oval office being able to, you know, run this country, and is he going to still be punking us when he's president? >> let's go back to what happened. it's 1991, you're at "people" magazine, he's got some domestic discord. you call trump's office, and what happens? >> i called his office and asked

to speak with trump about the tabloid headlines that he had dumped marla for carla bruni, and i got a call back from a spokesperson who claimed he was john miller. and i said, you sound just like trump. it's remarkable that he was able to hire a publicist that sounded just like him, and he said, well, you know, i just come from places. he wasn't very specific. and i had my list of questions, so i just went on with them. >> but your antenna were immediately raised. >> it was just like, this is uncanny. so we talked and then i made it go a little longer. then i got off the phone and i immediately walked down the halls and i said, this is trump, this is trump. and we had a call and got three confirmations. we called cindy adams from the new york post who said, that's trump, what's he doing? then i called marla who just cried when i played the tape for her. >> she was the girlfriend and -- >> she had the so-called engagement ring, she had

thought. >> and he said what about that? what is it that so upset her? >> what so upset her about -- >> marla. when you played the tape, why was she so upset to hear it? >> to hear that he was dating everybody in the world except for her. >> including, perhaps, ma donna in combat boots. it's got all the elements, come on. >> trump says goodbye marla, hello carla, and he has a pr guy who sundays just like him. you outed him, right? >> two weeks later. and he called and apologized to the magazine. he said this disturbed marla greatly. >> let me put on the screen what "people" magazine published at the time. quote, "the john miller fiasco he called a joke gone awry."

explain to me why you think if he admitted it at the time, he was on the "today" show saying, that's not me, it doesn't even sound like me. sdw >> this is a guy who gets up like 4:00 in the morning. he should have been more with it -- >> you think he was caught off guard? >> like i said, i didn't release the tape. i believe he did. >> just to distract our attention from all the other things that have been published about him. >> yes. >> there is another aspect to this story. so you write the follow-up, but you had an interaction with him before you wrote the follow-up. >> no, i had an interaction with him after the follow-up. it was about a month after the follow-up story. right after the follow-up story. i went out on the town with him and marla and another editor from "people" magazine. we went to the hottest nightclub at that time, i don't remember the name. we rode around town in his stretch limousine. we went into this club, and we

did small talk in the limousine, and it was like, where you from? albany, the best city, you know. >> the best. >> huge city. where did you go to school? everything was great. >> was this an implicit apology? >> yes. >> everybody "people" magazine had said he was apologizing. >> there was no reason for me to go out with trump and marla. he's not a guy who goes out. >> did you ever call the drugstore as a kid and say, do you have prince albert in a can? you better let him out or he'll suffocate? >> i used to call and say russian spies were in the neighborhood. >> original. but you probably weren't a father of four and trying to become president of the united states. >> correct. >> when trump says, you should be talking about hillary's e-mails, my response is what?

>> what do you mean? >> is this overblown? >> the story now? >> yes. >> no, i don't think so. it says a lot about trump. >> what does it say about him? >> i think we should be concerned about his judgment and the fact he could pull this in the future. who is to say he won't pull another one? i don't think he would use john miller or john barron, but -- he could do this to putin. >> it's not just "people" magazine that, i'll take your word, he was punking. he used john miller with you, but this is now a john baron quote in the "new york times," 1980. the merit of these stones was not great enough to justify the effort to save them. it's not just you. it wasn't a one-off, is my point. he apparently was playing this game with all of the media, including the "washington post" and the "new york times" and was able to pull one over on them as well. >> yeah. well, we're all in the same

club. >> you're in good company, i guess. thank you for being here, sue carswell, i appreciate it. are we ready for this? are we ready for a president who calls up a bar and say, will you page seymour butts? i know where my next guest stands. she regularly defends donald trump. scottie l. hughes is a regular. i might have talked about hillary's e-mails today if only he had gone on and said, of course it's me. >> of course you would be talking about hillary clinton's e-mails, we know that, but this is what we're choosing to talk about today. no, donald trump is not help the situation by saying it wasn't

him. i do have to talk about something sue carswell said, though. when she said she had the tape and mr. trump had the tape, yet she turned around and called others and played that tape. who is to say that those folks -- you know, i have to wonder how she knew mr. trump had that tape, or did this publicist, whoever this man is if he exists, maybe he's the one that released the tape? i think she is making a direct assertion -- >> wait a minute, stop the clock. you just said if this publicist exists. i should have said at the outset of the program that i have invited to be here today both john miller and john baron preferably seated on set at the same time together, wouldn't that be interesting, and we didn't get any reply from donald trump's office. you know if they existed, he would have produced them by now. we're not really going to go there, are we? >> not necessarily. i have to say it's ludicrous this thought that he's the one that released this. this came out in the "washington post" the next day after they announced they were going to

assign 20 reporters to go in there and comb through every piece of donald trump's history. and the next morning they come out with this. this is just the one of many long streams of articles places like the "washington post" are going to put out to try to distract from the real issues, which one of those are hillary clinton's e-mails, that we should be talking about in this campaign. but hey, more power to jeff beezos. maybe because he owns amazon.com and mr. trump has not been very discreet in saying he might have some tax issues or anti-trust issues down the road. this is all about keeping your own pocket protected and not necessarily what's best for the american people and what the american people want. >> isn't it all about credibility? i played these games, but i was 12 and 13 at the time. he's a 44-year-old man, and he's not just opening up the phone book and pranking people. he's calling and misrepresenting

himself. here's what troubles me the most about it. it makes me wonder if he did it in more serious circumstances. he's going through a nasty divorce or in a more domestic world. doesn't it bother you that in a more serious posture, he could have misrepresented himself on the phone? >> you're still saying he did it. >> how could you say he's not doing it? did you hear the tape? >> if you were sitting there and you are pro mr. trump, you say it's not him. if you are against mr. trump, you say it is him, depending on what side. it hasn't changed anybody's mind. you pointed that out on your own mo monologue. this hasn't changed anybody's mind. the point is, if we're going to have to focus on these kinds of stories if it takes away from paul ryan and the congressmen that endorsed mr. trump yesterday, are we going to focus on petty stories like this?

you might have thought he represented himself in a more serious issue. i'm going to take mr. trump for what he said. this is not him. until he comes out or you can 100% stake your life on it and prove he is lying, i have no other reason not to believe him. >> final quick question for you. perhaps you heard me say at the outset of the program, i wonder what paul ryan is thinking of today. this has got to give paul ryan and others buyers' remorse just as the party seems tobacco b be coalescing around trump. don't you think? >> absolutely not. this is a news outlet purposely targeting the "washington post," targeting mr. trump not hiding it, not afraid to sit there and say it. 25 trending stories this morning, michael, are anti-trump stories. this just goes to the idea that the gop despises trump and they're so scared of him becoming president.

>> so what would cause him to imitate his publicist? welcome back to the program, dr. gail saltz. where do you find the answer to this? >> let me say i cannot diagnose mr. trump. i will say someone who spends time creating a very grandiose view of themselves, i'm the best in business, i'm sexually the best, every woman wants me, and will break the lurules, lie, do something unethical for the purpose of that makes you think about intense knnark narcissism. if you look at past presidents, great presidents, presidents who

were ranked as the greatest, being grandiose, or being very, very confident in believing in your skills actually correlates with greatness in presidents. however, when it also moved into being incredibly self-centered, in other words, no empathy, frg h -- everything has to refer to me, everything has to be at the center and about me, that did not correlate with greatness. so the question of where it falls out there tells you what would make a great leader, shall we say. >> but if john miller and john baron don't exist and are donald trump, it makes me think of the statement often so offered in this campaign where he says he'll surround himself with good people. perhaps his idea of good people are mr. baron and miller, meaning there is nobody -- listen to this -- there is nobody i can surround myself with because i'm the man, i'm not yielding to anybody's judgment, i'm going to rely on baron and miller. >> if that was the case, that would be a problem in that

flexibility of thought, inability to take in new data and have flexible movement about your thought, is important to great leadership. it really is, so that would be concerning. i will tell you this. the american people right now, i think, are very conflicted about whether they want a leader who is really a good guy, who always tells the truth, who wears the white hat, if they're going to send them out to deal with the putins and the people that we think maybe aren't so on the up and up, do break the rules, aren't so moral. i think people are really conflicted about whether they want a good leader. >> maybe they say putin is a mischievous guy. we need a little of that in our arsenal. final question. what does it say about his core constituency if i'm right that they don't give a damn about this? >> not surprising at all. people take in information in the prism of what they already have. if you're vastly conservative, you hear everything through that

prism. if you're vastly liberal, you hear everything through that prism, and very few people are open to hearing new information and having an actual change of mind. >> i believe that, and yet it's a very sad comment, i think, about where this race stands. this is all part of a liberal hit job, is what they'll be saying, the minute our segment ends. dr. gail saltz, thank you so much for being here. keep those tweets comi coming @smerconish. he served both a democratic and republican president. would he do the same for donald trump? and they still haven't released the missing 28 pages that started 9/11. will they release those pages? donald trump really is a job creator, look at the one he created for john miller.

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new accusations this week about potential saudi involvement in 9/11. john layman, a member of the 9/11 commission, told cnn on thursday that classified 28 pages of a congressional investigatory report into the attacks do contain evidence that as many as six saudi officials supported al qaeda in the run up to the attacks. brennan does not want the pages released. here's brennan. >> i think people will see unvetted information in there that was basically just a collation that came out of the files and to point to saudi involvement, which i think would be inaccurate. >> john brennan is a chair of the intelligence committee. he's long advocated the release of the 28 pages. joining me now is senator bob

graham. senator, when i heard him say that, i was thinking of bob nicholson saying, you can't handle the truth. is that the point he's trying to make? >> i guess that's the point he's trying to make. i guess he has added another explanation for why we've gone 13 years without this being made available to the american people, that the american people aren't smart enough to understand. i frankly think the reasons primarily have to do with our -- the effect that this may have on our relationship with saudi arabia and the public perception of some of its intelligence agencies' competence. >> you wrote for the washingt"wn post" this week and you said that release of the 28 pages might shed light on some outstanding questions, including this. should we believe that the 19 hijackers, most of whom spoke little english, had limited education, had never before visited the united states acted alone in perpetuating the

sophisticated 9/11 plot. do you yourself, senator, believe they did not act alone? >> of course not. no one who studied this case closely thinks it's plausible that these 19 people, who had all the characteristics you just read, could have completed the planning, gone through the practicing, executed the plot and over an extended period of time time, in the case of some a year and a half, were able to maintain their anonymity in the united states. we haven't assumed that in paris, in brussels or san bernardino. some of the questions after the tragedies occurred was, who helped these people do it? >> senator graham, if the 20 pages are released next month and there are unanswered questions and perhaps a human cry from the american people, what should happen next? >> well, i've advocated for many years that we need to reopen the 9/11 inquiry.

there is much more information available today than there was in 2002. we would be in a much better position to write the final chapters of what happened on 9/11 today than we were 13 or 14 years ago. >> i'm optimistic that next month we're going to see those 28 pages. then i can have senator graham come back and explain them to the american people right on this program. >> great. thank you, michael. i look forward to it. the sooner the better. >> for more on the missing 28 pages, i want to bring in richard clark. when 9/11 happened, he was the counterterrorism czar. the paper back of his most recent novel "pinnacle event" came out and he joins me now. should the american people see those pages? >> absolutely. i believe in transparency. rumors and conspiracy theories thrive when there are things that are withheld. so absolutely. put them out. but put them out with an accompanying text that provides context and explanation and says

for this we found the following and say what the information is. >> mr. clark, on september 11, you were the guy. you were the counterterrorism czar on september 11. have you given thought to the way in which a president donald trump would have reacted that day? >> i have. it's a little disturbing. when something like this happens, you have to have trained, experienced people at the helm. you can't be making decisions on the fly. those of us who ran the crisis that day had trained to do it. we had had simulations and exercises for years training for this kind of possibility. we had a vice president running things in the other wing of the white house who had been the secretary of defense, and prior to that had been chief of staff at the white house. we had experienced hands all around the government. and frankly, all the experienced hands that i know in washington

say they won't work for donald trump, so i don't know who he's going to get. >> well, he says he'll surround himself with good people. if he were to call richard clark and say, i'd like the benefit of your counsel, would you respond to that call? >> yeah. i would say hell, no. >> you wouldn't want to provide any advice to donald trump? >> i don't think it would do any good. i think it would go in one ear and out the other. i think in a crisis he would respond impulsively. i don't think he'll be able to get good people to surround himself with. >> we hear there is angst among some of our allies with the possibility of working with mr. trump. you're in the know. what do you hear? >> most of our allies in the middle east, in eastern europe, in asia are frightened at the prospect. because there's one thing the president can do. he or she doesn't have to go to congress to get permission to use the u.s. military and the u.s. intelligence apparatus.

they can pick up the phone and issue orders. and there's very little buffer. so you need someone who is experienced, someone who is restrained, someone who understands national security. >> what is it that you think he least understands and appreciates? >> i think the use of force and the ramifications of the use of force. he's talking about it's okay if japan and south korea get nuclear weapons. no, it's not. we've been trying for 50 years to prevent that. that would cause an enormous amount of instability and possibly lead to war that would suck the united states in because we have forces in both south korea and in japan. >> final question with regard to donald trump. is there a vice presidential selection that he could make that would mitigate the concerns of richard clark, and if so, who? >> well, i don't think anybody who is experienced in this business will serve with him. there's already been a long list of republican national security

people, people who served in the bush administration and the reagan administration, who say they won't serve in his administration, they won't advise him. i don't know of anybody among my old republican friends who will be willing to do it. >> "pinnacle front" has just come out in paperback. why have you again turned to fiction to make very serious points. >> "pinnacle event" is about the 2016 election. it raises the question, what would happen if the u.s. government became aware during the election campaign of a terrorist plot? and what if that terrorist plot might involve nuclear weapons? i think it's far easier to explain these issues, frankly, michael, in fiction than it is in dry prose. >> if you had written about this current campaign and put it in your novel, your publicist, your agent would have said, you know, richard, it's a little too

far-fetched. >> i wouldn't have gotten it published. i started writing this two years ago, and i know the folks at st. martin's press would have laughed if i had submitted someone like donald trump running for president. >> good luck, michael, and good luck with the book. >> thank you. people have weighed in on this issue. separate bathrooms for transgender people. why is this so contentious? here's one of your tweets. oh, my. you people are disgusting. you'll do anything to bring down a good man. trash, liars, losers. let me say this. you give me a tape of hillary clinton or bernie sanders misrepresenting themselves, i'll play it. vo: across america,

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allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity. it's the latest development in what's become the civil rights issue of the 2016 campaign. while not the same as a law, the directive implies that non-compliant schools could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid as is happening with the state of north carolina. how will this impact the evolving landscape for gays, for lesbians, bisexual and transgender people, and will it create pushback? joining me now, the people who has covered the o.j. simpson chase covering a helicopter, reporter zoe tour. zoe, thanks for being here. when did you first start using the ladies' room? >> it was after transition. it was after two surgeries, cranial surgery and sexual surgery. i had crossed the line and couldn't go back, so that's when i started using the ladies' restroom. >> have you had any incident?

i've heard many say this is a solution in search of a problem. there's not been any violence or victimization of a physical kind associated with this. >> no, there hasn't. what you're really -- to put it in perspective, never have so many cared so much about so few for so little. i mean, we're literally talking about -- there's 64 million k through 12 students in the united states, and we're talking maybe about a few hundred cases of transgender students wanting to use a restroom that doesn't necessarily correspond with their birth gender? i mean, this is ridiculous. and to subject -- governor mcclary reaching into government

pockets. it's a state at risk of losing title 9 money. it makes no sense. >> do you worry this will become a cultural edge issue for 2016? >> it already has. what we're seeing is the blowback from gay marriage. we're now being subjected to jim crow style laws. every civil rights issue has always evolved around the restroom. remember back in the day of the 45th governor, george crowley wallace, they made claims of black menusing women's restrooms and those claims were made and now they're made against people like me, and there's no documented case. i've searched. and you're more likely to have a problem, you know, with a priest. >> what occurs to me, and i know that you pay close attention to the political situation, is that to the extent it becomes a cultural wedge issue, it won't

have the support, i think, of donald trump who said recently that caitlyn jenner could come to trump tower and use whatever restroom she chooses. >> it's not something he cares about. and i applaud him for that. it's one of the few things i have to agree on. it's really a non-issue. and it's all men complaining, it's not women. and it's the ultimate mysogeny where men feel like they need to protect women from women. come on. men, deal with your own stuff. let women deal with their own issues. we don't seem to have an issue. >> i have solved this problem. #stallsforall. one more question for zoe, if i might. what happens in the circumstance -- i read the directive from the administration. what happens in the circumstance where there is not parental support of the transgendered youth, right? so mom and dad are not cool with this, but the boy or the girl wishes for this to take place in the school.

have you thought about that? >> well, i would imagine in many cases parents will not be cool with the idea of their child transitioning unless it's been something that's been going on for, you know, since they were age six. but, you know, at the end of the day, it really is going to be up to the student. and i think they'll get title 9 support because there are supreme court decisions on this going back to title 9 cases back to groves college. things have already been litigated. why didn't north carolina bother to research federal law? i mean, they're going to lose. >> zoe, thanks for being here. >> of course. coming up next, how these famous raised fists at the 1968 olympics relate to the raised fists that got these west point

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16 west point cadets just got in trouble for raise thiingr fists. they were posing for this picture. it's a west point tradition, seniors imitating these 19th century cadets. because of the fists, some thought it was showing sympathy for black lives matter. did it violate a west point directive? they determined that the photo was spur of the moment and not a preplanned political statement. the cadets will graduate on time but must first receive counseling. this reminded me of a clenched fist that made headlines around the world because everybody thought it was a black power salute. at the 1968 olympics in mexico city after john carlos and tommy smith won the bronze and gold medals in the 200-meter race,

carlos has said their gesture was widely misinterpreted as a black power salute. 48 years later, the debate continues, and who better to ask about all of this than the man who so famously raised his fist back in '68. john carlos joins me now and is looking pretty good. as you've watched this unfold, what have you been thinking? >> first of all, i was thinking those young ladies are correct in their activities that particular day. i think they were expounding on the fact that, right on, right on, we made it, we made it, in terms of having some pride in what they accomplished, having some unity relative to what they accomplished, and at the same time being able to expose their history relative to black people coming together to try and make it a better society for all people, blacks in particular. >> so did you read race into it? because if you took away that connotation of black history, then maybe there was a racial implication intended. >> well, the racial implication

is you being a black person and knowing all the atrocities that you might have had to deal with through your history. you cannot deny the history of a black person. you cannot deny their right to be proud of what they've accomplished from where they have come from. so race is always going to be involved. but in terms of them having pride in themselves, accomplishing their goals, how often do you see that many black women going through west point, the greatest academy here in the united states for the military? >> how would feel, th hypothetically, if it were a different graduating class of cadets, all white cadets, and for their picture they put on those donald trump make america great hats? >> they can wear donald trump hats if that's their choice. they have the right to their political opinions relative to who they favor to vote or who they don't favor to vote. but still, if they had a rebel

flag up there and they said that's history, well, you know, my job is to tell them that's a piece of history you should be ashamed of. >> right, and i guess my perspective is i don't think there should be any politics blended with a celebratory moment like this. on their own time, if they were having a party thereafter and everybody wanted to do what they wanted to do with a political significance, no problem. but when you're in law enforcement, you're a firefighter, an emt or a cadet, i think it's important to leave politics out of it. that's my take on it, but i'll let you have the final word. >> politics are a part of society no matter how you cut it. politics are involved, and people will be concerned about making a statement at the right pick time. no politics should be involved in the olympics, but the olympics are politics in itself. what you're involved in? from - politics run throughout this society and that's what got this presidential election so crazy right now relative to racial statements that were made along

the way, to political crosses in the road and to race relations. you can't separate the two of them. >> final question. how you doing in the 200 meters today? >> well, if i get a head start in my car, i'll beat you to the finish line. >> you wouldn't need the car for me, john carlos. thank you so much for being on the program. still to come, your best could handle me, believe me. hopping along with one leg. your best and worst tweets, like this one. john miller, white house press secretary, robert baron chief of staff. well, he's going to surround himself with good people. like himself. you do all this research on

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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm monica cabrera. we are following breaking news right now. eight people are dead after a charter bus rolled over in laredo, texas. i want to give you the latest information into our newsroom. the d.o.t. spokesman telling us this bus was traveling north on highway 83 in webb county around 12:30 eastern when the driver apparently lost control. seven of the victims died at the scene. one person died at the hospital, another 44 people were taken to the hospital and we do not know their conditions right now. the charter bus we know began the trip in san juan, texas, w