this video, the shocking story. his special report, biker brawl, airs tonight at 9:00. thank you for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. breaking news and 360 exclusive. first interview with donald trump's last rival. for one brief moment, ohio governor john kasich was the last man standing between donald trump and the republican presidential nomination. trump just won the indiana primary, ted cruz left the race, governor kasich had gotten what he wanted, a chance to go one on one with trump and prevail somehow at the convention in cleveland. instead, that same day governor kasich decided to end his run. he has yet to explain it in an interview because he hasn't given one since then. then there's speculation of drafting him to run independent, his name as a vice presidential pick, whether he will throw

support behind donald trump. i talked about all of that and more at his mansion in columbus. your name came up in the news last couple of days. story in "the washington post" this weekend, has a lot of pick up that a number of republicans, conservatives, mitt romney among them has been looking at the possibility of a third party candidate or independent candidate, conservative candidate, your name is mentioned. has mitt romney reached out? >> i don't want to get into who. i had a phone call with somebody that wanted me to run, consider running as third party candidate. >> are you considering that. >> no, i'm not going to do that. >> why? >> well, i think that i gave it my best where i am. i think running third party doesn't feel right, i think it is not constructive. you know, one of the things that's interesting is it is hard to be thoughtful when you deal

with the media. many of them think that everything is sort of a political ploy or political play. it has been a little bit of a disappointment for me. in fact, i talked to somebody in the media to say you know, you have a responsibility. it has really been interesting. you can have depth to something, and people think that's just politics. no. when i talk about two paths, the path of rebuilding the country or pushing people down into the ditch, that's not some political ploy that somebody calculated for me, that's my insides, that's my soul. so a third party candidacy would be viewed as a silly thing. i don't think it is appropriate. i just don't think it would be the right thing to do. >> if not right for you, would you like to see somebody else run at this point? >> you know, i haven't even thought about that. i think that a third party candidacy achieves what, to win or just go in and disrupt? >> to stop donald trump. >> the only reason to do

anything like that would be if you had a message you felt so compelled to deliver that it would give you opportunity to do that, but i don't see who is out there with that kind of message and would it work. >> so does -- reince priebus called it a suicide mission in terms of hurting their future, political career. you don't want to see a third person, somebody coming into the race to run, essentially to stop donald trump. you don't think that's necessary? >> i mean, i haven't even thought about it. the answer would be no. i think now we have the two standard bearers. look, i remember when perot ran, he had an important message to deliver on the economy and on the budget. you never questioned what ross perot was doing. teddy roosevelt did it, i don't know if he did it because he was concerned or angry. i think we're not a third party

country, you know, just to run a campaign to block somebody to me, because at the same time i wanted to win, i wanted to get to open convention. my basic deal was not to stop somebody else, it was to be about the ideas i had. so i'm not against somebody. if things get in a bad situation, i could be, but i'm not there yet. >> the sentence you started and didn't finish, the idea of running to just block somebody, what, that's not something you feel is right or appropriate? >> not for me. not for me. >> has there been any moment you thought maybe i dropped out too soon, maybe i should have stuck with it? >> well, you know, the interesting part of that is when indiana happened and you have the chairman of the republican

party endorse trump, which i thought was completely inappropriate. >> inappropriate because -- >> well, i'm still there, you know. he just wanted to get this thing over. i'm not happy about it. but anyway neither here nor there, we learn to forgive and forget, but we were going to stay in it for four, five days to see if people would come with the biggest money. we were never able to get big, big money in the campaign. outspent 50 to 1, i'm the last guy standing against trump. but they did not want me to say that, my team, unanimously, because if you say we're going to see how it works, then the media puts a death watch on you until you're dead, and so i was going to go to washington and do a lot of press, usa today editorial board, had two fund-raisers, and i was thinking how do i reconcile the fact i'm going to tell people i'm going

to run hard as i can to the convention, knowing in 48 or 72 hours or whatever that i might drop out. we were sitting on the plane and i was really conflicted. i was more -- not as conflicted as one might think. i said we're getting out of this plane, and called the closest staff together, i said it's time to go because i would have been disingenuous to have an interview with you saying we're going all the way knowing in the back of my mind we might be gone in 72 hours. financially we were doing fine, were going to raise a good chunk of money, but not enough to have made the kind of difference i felt we needed to make. here is what i was really worried about. the message of unity, the message of healing. what i took to the campaign stayed with accidentally. i did not want that message to be belittled. it is so important for our country that that message is

alive. and i didn't want to lose that. i didn't want people to forget, say he is going to get beaten in nebraska, new jersey, and what's he doing, so i sort of felt preserving the message was really more important than anything else. >> in terms of what happens now, i guess the obvious question is. >> what do i do now. >> one obvious question is will you endorse -- >> i don't know. i told you about the two paths. if i feel, you know, i read some stuff recently, i'm not glued to this, i read some other stuff to me is too negative, so i'm undecided. >> what sort of stuff? >> well, i don't think i need to get into specifics but people that are attacking. i don't like when he is attacking, putting people down. learn to take it a little bit. the idea initially of maybe paul ryan shouldn't be at the convention. come on, man, you won.

be magnanimous in victory. so anderson, what i'm saying is i'm for uniting and i have to see him move to uniting, if he doesn't, i'm undecided here at this point. so we will see what happens. >> you're undecided about whether or not you would endorse donald trump. >> i am. i am undecided. >> are you undecided whether you would vote for him? >> at the end of the day, endorsing will mean a lot, and frankly my wife and my daughters have watched this and if i were to turn around today and endorse him, they would be like why, dad. and that matters to me. we'll see what he does. he has a chance to move to the positive side and unify this country. >> is it a question of tone or policies? >> i think it's both, i think it's both. and have some consistent policy and be positive. look, anderson, we know that the beatles were right, money can't buy you love, but we know, we

guaranteed know the foundation of this country needs to be a strong economy. that gives people hope. the spirit of our country doesn't rest in dollars and cents, it rests inside us. if the reason you're doing poorly is somebody from mexico is taking your money, or somebody from china is taking your money, that's not a standing against the wind. in some sense that's scapegoating. i don't like scapegoating. we have problems. have the elites let us down? are you kidding me, the politicians have been terrible, terrible. okay, what are we going to do, sit around being in a bad mood or say what am i going to do for my community, what am i doing for my family, what am i doing for the struggle that i have to bring about a positive? that's what matters to me for our country because our country is so divided. i had a delightful conversation with paul ryan over the weekend. i intend to go out and campaign

for house and senate members. i left a message for the head of the senate campaign committee, if they want me, i will go and help them. paul ryan was delighted to hear it. paul and i, one of the things that a friend of mine in new york said, could you imagine if you were president and paul ryan was speaker, could have changed everything. just like we came in in 2010 and '11 and changed ohio dramatically, i had a partner there. and that's a little frustrating, but i told paul, i'll do whatever you want, whatever you need. if i can appear for people, i'll be for it. if i come out against them to help them, i'll do that. whatever makes sense. >> do you think donald, you talk about his reaction, tone and policies, do you think at this point he convinced you he has the temperament, the ability to be president, the qualification? >> i'm going to give him more time. i'm just john kasich.

i have a right to take a position and i will have a position and opinion. i made it clear that i need to see a positive approach. and if there's not one forthcoming, it will be a real problem. >> do you think he is capable of that? >> i don't know. i don't know him really that well. i stood on stage with him. i didn't spend time with him. you know, there's a sense in the media, we're all hanging out, calling one another. that's a fantasy. the closest we all were was in the elevator in cleveland, one elevator. i looked around, i thought if this elevator crashed, that would be interesting. people would probably cheer, yes! >> was it one of those awkward silent elevator rides? >> that's the thing, some candidates would viciously attack one another, then be back stage, how's it going. it was like it was a game. it wasn't a game to me at any time was running for president a game. >> you have been talked about as

vice presidential candidate, vice presidential pick, ben carson has given a number of names. >> is ben picking vice presidents? >> he's talking about who donald trump apparently is -- >> remember the last time a guy thought that, maybe ben will be picked. never know. >> all joking aside, governor kasich had a serious answer to the question whether he would accept an offer to be donald trump's running mate, that's next. and fallout from a detailed and less than flattering look at how donald trump allegedly treated women in and out of the workplace, a profile he's calling a fraud and phoning into one of the control rooms to complain about, he has been tweeting about it more. are the complaints justified? stay tuned for that. and later, hundreds of people killed. see what it looked like in the crossfire, and why a year later not one single person is in jail. this is my family.

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news in the cnn. ohio governor john kasich speaking out the first time since ending his presidential campaign. he outlasted 15 other rivals, including some of the biggest names in gop politics, said he is not interested in running a third party campaign. before the break, he joked about the vice presidential selection process under way in the trump campaign. this part of the conversation, i asked him what he would do if he got the offer. is that something you would

consider? >> i have not changed my mind on that. i said all along, i have the second best job in america. >> donald trump called you and said look, you've got to do this for the country. >> no, i'm not inclined to do that, i'm not, no. and i'm really actually excited about getting back here with my team for the state of ohio. and i gave it my best. >> trump said he wants somebody with, you know, experience on the hill. >> look, here's the situation. we've had two different messages. his message was the elites are bad, everybody is giving you the shaft, and kind of gotten people angry. my message is yeah, a lot of the elites, whether the politicians, whether it is big business, athletes, media, entertainment, they've all disappointed us in one way or another, and many people have gotten the shaft, but my message is let's stand against the wind. don't cave in to the negative. let's figure out how as people

we can rebuild our country. those are two very inconsistent messages. so it would be hard for me unless he were to change all his views and become a uniter, because i am undecided what i will do in this race. >> you know the state well, quinnipiac poll of donald trump versus hillary clinton, it showed essentially them even within a margin of error. >> the polls come and go. and i don't know who they're polling, i don't know if they're polling likely voters, all voters, i don't know. >> do you think ohio is hillary clinton or donald trump state? >> i think if you're not a unifier, you have a big problem. if you double down on negative, it isn't going to work. >> doesn't work in ohio? >> i don't believe it does, no. you cannot come into here with glass half empty and polarize people and think you're going to

win ohio. >> conventional wisdom, both conventional, not sure how much wisdom, proved wrong, hate to use that term, a lot of people look at this race coming and think this will be unlike anything we have seen, just scorched earth, brutal. >> both of them will use negative tactics. no question about it. try to beat the other one down. you know, that adds to cynicism about politicians. i just have always believed in politics your strength are your ideas. it is not like beating somebody else down. people say why didn't you go negative, why didn't you -- at one point i did, when he talked about deporting 11.5 million, and ben carson wanted to abolish medicare, at that point i had had enough. but if your thrust is going to be negative, then get another job because to me, you get people passionate about ideas.

>> we talked about it, you were on the debate stage a lot. >> every one. never thought i would make the first one. >> donald trump says temporary ban on muslims was just a suggestion. does that surprise you? when he said it, when his campaign announced it, it didn't sound like a suggestion. >> look, if you want to be a great leader, you have to have consistency. that doesn't mean you have to be consistent on everything, you have a right to change your position or your mind, but you better be careful about what you say because you are running for president of the united states. >> final question, you said you don't think trump can win ohio if the message stays the way it has been, the tone stays as it has been. do you think he can win the presidency if the message doesn't change? >> i think it is very, very difficult if you are a divider. we have to see how mrs. clinton performs. she's going to be the nominee, and we're going to have to see what she does. i mean, if she's going to move far to the left, then it is an open race.

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you heard ohio governor john kasich covering a lot of ground, his first interview since leaving the race. he says he will not share the ticket with donald trump and hemmed often dorising him. made a lot of news today. want to bring in alex burns,

"the washington post" carl bernstein, writing a best selling biography, woman in charge, life of hillary rodham clinton. and gloria borger is with us, caylee mcnen ee. and beinart. alex, start with you. what do you make of kasich not endorsing trump? he said he didn't know him well. is he buying time? >> a lot of people in the party are giving trump not quite benefit of the doubt, but enough time to see whether he can change. anderson, the bigger deal out of the interview is not just refusal to endorse up front, but the way he spoke about what it would take to issue endorsement. he said donald trump would need a full scale personality and policy transplant to get him there, which i guess is not entirely out of the question. this is the governor of the most important swing state where donald trump appears to have an even shot at winning. giving him a very, very cold

shoulder. >> gloria? did you see that. >> he did. he mentioned having a nice conversation with paul ryan, but on issues like trade, immigration, temporary ban on muslims, he disagrees with donald trump, and what you see there is somebody who is a party person kind of struggling for a way to get to yes, but also talked to you about having to answer to his family who lived through the campaign with him and you can tell that at the very least he's unenthusiastic about it, if he ever gets there, i have no idea. >> unenthusiastic. called up speaker ryan, saying he is willing to campaign for candidates. as a trump supporter, he says point blank he is not interested in the vice presidential slot. his name bandied about. >> if he doesn't want that, his name shouldn't be in the running. he said i was running to promote my ideas. it is understandable that someone that ran in one of the

toughest primaries in modern history. he is stepping back, saying i am not ready to do that yet. if things coalesce, then maybe. we are seeing more jumping on the band wagon. >> this kind of never trump or i don't like trump, that it will evolve. >> i think it is a matter of time, i think this is the single most important endorsement donald trump needs to get. he must win ohio. this is more important than paul ryan's endorsement. >> you hear kasich say being negative in ohio doesn't work, do you think that's true? >> he doesn't want to see the marco exchanges and things we saw in the primary, not necessarily not going negative, i think he would be fine going after the clinton foundation or some scandals, i think he wants to see the level of rhetoric change to something more suited for general election.

>> tara, the governor said he is not interested in being a third party candidate. reince priebus had come forward and said whoever decides to do that, it would be a suicide mission. >> i know that the third party candidacy idea is something that a lot of folks are flirting with, and it is still out there, but it is still a fantasy until you have someone willing to do it. logistical problems with trying to put someone on the ballot is -- i think the hurdles may be too difficult to overcome, i think this effort is late at this point. i understand why. i am one of those folks in the position where i am not voting for either one of them, is it a conscious vote? maybe. back to what john kasich said in the interview i found interesting, i don't know that he will necessarily come around given he has fundamental issues with donald trump, not only on policy but on character issue. something that struck me, gloria and i said huh at the same time,

he said my wife and daughters are watching. that matters. he sees the way donald trump behaves and looks as a dad outside of being a politician, he looks as a dad, as a person raising daughters, how do i explain support for someone that behaves this way. i think that's a conundrum for a lot of people that have issue with the character and integrity and principles part. >> the governor seems like a guy when you talk to him, it is not just politics, that it is personal, and he is sort of struggling with a lot of these issues. >> i think the important point about how everything a politician does is seen as political, and the media don't give people credit enough for speaking from their gut. underlying questions about people not wanting to support donald trump, whether paul ryan or john kasich is they don't think he's a good man. they really don't. it is not simply that they disagree with his policy, don't think he is prepared to be president, they're revolted by the kind of human being he has shown himself to be in the campaign. i thought it was particularly

telling that john kasich would refer to his wife and daughter on the day we have been talking about the way donald trump treats women. i think he was playing into that very narrative. not the kind of thing you want to hear if you're the trump campaign. >> could be interpreted a different way. i heard him say, i didn't hear him say he is a revolting human being, i heard him say basically, i criticized this person, how could i change overnight in 72 hours, two weeks, however long it has been, to all of a sudden full throttle endorsing or supporting someone. >> daughter had conversations with him, about the obnoxious behavior, with his actual words about women, you don't think his daughter and wife had those conversations? of course they have. >> you can speculate to private conversations. >> carl, it is interesting. if mitt romney is calling around looking for a third party

candidate, to reince priebus' point, whoever runs, it is a suicide mission, it is not something that will be a viable candidacy. why doesn't mitt romney do that himself, doesn't have a political career in the future, he has money. if he believes so firmly in this, why wouldn't he be the one to step up. >> mercurial man. i don't have the answer to that. there's no chance of success in a third party candidacy. but i heard an out that kasich left here, he said absolutely not to the vice presidency at the beginning of the interview, then left a little wiggle room for the transplant, for the head transplant that you're talking about. people close to kasich that i talk to expect he might take the vice presidency if something akin to the transplant took place. go back to 1980 to reagan bush, this fierce, fierce campaign that the two of them had. bush despised reagan and vice

versa, thought he was a lightweight, bush did, that he was almost nuts, and sure enough bush took the vice presidency. that would imply for that to happen, there has to be this turnaround that we are talking. and it is very unlikely from what we have seen that trump has the restraint to turn around. >> governor kasich has a political future ahead of him. he's out of office in two years. >> in a lot of ways, in fairness to peter's point or the governor's point, you don't want to assume everything is cynical, political, but if there's a path forward for governor kasich to run again, probably counts on trump losing and losing badly and the party looking back at the candidates this time and thinking we had the opportunity to nominate someone that was the polar opposite of the guy that lost terribly, and that was john kasich. >> real front seat on that.

>> governor kasich says he plans to write a book about the campaign, what he hopes to see for the future of the country. he is going to work on that now. more to talk about, including what beinart alluded to, calling a "the new york times" article a hit piece. the paper saying they talked with dozens of people in his life. one of the women they interviewed, the reporter twisted her comments. what the reporter said and how trump is hitting back next. and with double the lte coverage in the last year you can get more done in more places. right now get 2 lines with 10 gigs each for just a $100 bucks. and for a limited time get a hot spot free, yeah free. switch your business to t-mobile@work today.

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clinton an enabler of her husband's behavior. the "new york times" stormed through with interviews in mr. trump's life. now mr. trump is hitting back hard. sarah murray has the latest. >> reporter: donald trump is going to war with the media yet again. this time taking aim at "the new york times" for highlighting tales of trump appearing to object jekt fie women and make unwelcome advances.

today, one woman says her story was misrepresented. >> i made it very clear many times that i had a very pleasant relationship with donald and that i never felt like i was being, you know, depicted as a piece of meat or anything like that, i was never offended by anything he had said. >> reporter: prompting trump to call the story a hit piece on twitter, adding we have exposed the article as a fraud. the story reveals instances of trump critiquing women's figures, giving a pageant contestant an unwanted kiss on the lips, and promoting women to high profile corporate positions, even as he madoff hand comments some thought were demeaning and dismissive. they interviewed dozens of women and they're standing by the piece. >> there's no single dimension to donald trump and women, our story makes it clear and through the voice fs people interviewed. >> reporter: the transition to gop presumptive nominee means

more media scrutiny for trump. last year, a "the washington post" story of him posing as his own spokesman, which provided more fodder for "saturday night live." >> mr. trump is the real life inspiration for ironman. who am i? i'm his publicist, joey pepperoni. >> reporter: this week, president obama landed his own shots against the republican, critiquing trump's plan to bar muslims from entering the u.s. calling him ignorant without calling him out by name. >> in politics as in life, ignorance is not a virtue. it's not cool to not know what you're talking about. that's not keeping it real or telling it like it is. that's not challenging political correctness. that's just not knowing what you're talking about. >> reporter: all of this as some gop leaders, including 2012

nominee mitt romney and weekly standard editor bill crystal are trying to recruit a third party candidate to take on trump. it is an effort the rnc chair denounced as a suicide mission. >> look, it is a suicide mission for our country because what it means is that you're throwing down not just eight years of the white house but potentially 100 years on the supreme court, and wrecking this country for many generations. >> i understand donald trump called the cnn control room this morning to weigh in on the story? >> anderson, that is absolutely right. during cnn's new day, donald trump called into the control room to alert cnn that the woman who disputed this story was on another morning show to say she felt misrepresented. he wanted cnn to realize this was going on. he did not apparently want to be on new day to dispute the story, but it is clear he wanted this counter narrative out there, and he has been tweeting up a storm

saying it is false, malicious and slamming "new york times." >> back with the panel. gloria, in terms of this article, if you don't like trump you're going to latch onto some details in the article, if you like trump, people say it is a hit job and that he promoted women through his corporation. >> right. and quite frankly we can look back at this campaign and say that he has said many more controversial things publicly about women and the women are saying he did in this "new york times" piece, and not only that but carly fiorina. and it goes on and on. i don't think this is a game changer in any way. if you like trump, you're going to say this is the '80s and '90s and a lot of women were treated this way, i can attest to as somebody that worked during those years, i get that, you know.

on the other hand, you read these things, you say this is part and parcel of the way he treats women, if you don't like him. so does it change anyone's mind? i don't think so. >> carl, do you think it has impact? >> a little bit. i think the real impact is the howard stern tapes. when you go to those tapes and hear his actual voice and what he's saying, you hear some fundamental things about his views of women and they're pretty awful. at the same time, i know women that worked in the trump organization and say he's a fine person and doesn't abuse us, so i think as the times guy said, there are two sides in "new york times" account, but trump has to deal with the reality of what he said publicly, and at the same time the clinton campaign has its own difficulties that trump is exploiting effectively. we will see where it goes. >> tara, do you think -- or kayleigh, do you think it has

impact? the woman at the center of the article or highlighted, former girlfriend has come forward and said she was misrepresented. >> exactly. not only that, a few moments ago, there was another woman in the article, trump's employment attorney said she was unhappy with the piece and knows several other that felt the same way. several are coming forward and saying this is not at all what they portrayed to "new york times." if you look at the article, there are 12 highlights throughout the article, that they highlight specific things, all of which are negative toward mr. trump. take the one woman out of context. as they try to highlight both sides, perhaps their own highlights should highlight. >> donald trump thought it was important enough to call into the control room. >> was it john miller? listen. i find that very strange. you're a presidential candidate. why are you personally calling the control room of cnn? that's what your campaign people are for, why you have a press

secretary. this micro managing of things is a little strange to me. i don't know how he plans to run the government, you can't micromanage everything, you have to delegate the best people allegedly. i think this obviously was an opportunity for him because it is not his favorite publication, calls it the failing "the new york times." red meat to republicans. he looked at this, said this is -- one thing that stuck out to me in the article, the anecdote about i vana trump, how she wasn't allowed to order her own food, fred trump said no, you're going to have steak.

she wanted fish. he said you're going to have steak. and donald trump stood up for his father, not her in that exchange, which tells me a lot about how he was raised, how he views women and their role in the relationship. i found that to be -- >> was it a valid article? >> i think the article, there was quite a bit of good stuff for donald trump in there, i disagree. the negative stuff people assumed, after calling megyn kelly a bimbo, talking about how carly fiorina looked, people's expectations going into that article were pretty low. stuff people wouldn't have known is stuff trump wants to get out, which is although he has treated women in an awful way, he has also valued women that do a good job. he seems to have an idea that women are harder working than men. >> promoting -- >> given the fact that more stuff came out publicly, and the fact that i think as you were

saying, tara, the fact that "new york times" is going after him. i don't think it is so bad for donald trump. >> it seemed like it was in a time warp, took you back, took me back to the '80s and '90s and the way women were treated in the workplace and things men said or did, not just donald trump but that's kind of the way it was. on the other hand, you had donald trump promoting women to top positions maybe saying things like one good woman is worth ten good men or whatever, but you read it and thought well, he did promote these women. >> i want to thank everybody on the panel. coming up, the biker brawl in texas that left nine dead, 18 wounded. it happened a year ago. here's some surveillance video. cnn at the top of the hour investigates that and what happened since. a preview of that report next. i sleep extremely hot.

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investigators seized more than 470 weapons, arrested 177 bikers, ed lavandera hosts it. i'll speak with him in a moment. here's a preview. >> reporter: the bandidos and cossacks. they fear the increasingly violent feud is headed to war. >> it was our intelligence that told us they were headed this way, trying to get payment against us or rival bike members, we don't know. >> reporter: dozens of police officers move quietly into place near the restaurant, twin peaks. >> officers of one of the sheriff offices communicated they would be having over 400 members at this meeting. >> reporter: a meeting at the con federation of clubs where bikers gather to resolve issues. the cossacks are the first to arrive. they wanted a truce, and believed it was an open meeting, says this cossacks biker who asked us to mask his identity.

>> you guys were there to make peace? >> we were there to talk to them, say let's stop this. every time we turn around, go to a bar or a restaurant, some of your guys are getting stupid and picking fights. let's see if we can't find a common ground to where you leave us alone and we leave y'all alone. >> reporter: outside the restaurant, police dash cams capture the scene in the parking lot as a line of bandidos bikers roll up. >> i was the first one to pull in there. >> reporter: including jake carrizal who was riding in with his dad and uncle and looking for a place to park. >> as we turned in the bike parking, i see 50, 60, 70 cossacks there, you know, it caught me off guard. as soon as we pulled up, i back in, they were surrounding my bike. >> reporter: as the shouting match quickly escalates, you see carrizal with a yellow helmet in the middle of it. he says a cossacks threw the

first punch. >> we were hit so quick that i didn't even have time to take my gloves off are my helmet. >> reporter: fists are flying, then far worse. >> i heard a gunshot. i just hit the dirt. >> someone pulse a gun, pops off three rounds. then someone else pulled one, someone else pulled one. they were coming from all different areas. >> i remember yelling for my dad because i knew he was there somewhere. i've never been that scared in my life. >> ed lavandera joins us. the two in the clip are charged with engaging in organized activity, same charges as the other 150 bikers. why is that the case? >> this is the fascinating part. it didn't matter if you were in the middle of the melee, pulled the gun or trigger, hiding in the freezer of twin peaks, everyone has been hit with the same criminal charge, and now

all of them are out of jail, on bond, trying to figure it out, make sense of it all. many face up to life in prison if convicted. that's the big controversy. why was everyone hit with the exact same criminal charge, if not everyone acted the same in the middle of that fight. >> and in terms of the timetable, any sense of when this may go to trial, if it is going to trial? >> there hasn't been a single trial in waco yet, it is not exactly clear when that's going to happen. waco prosecutors say there's a gag order, they're not talking because of that. some lawyers we have spoken with that believe none of the cases will ever go to trial, there's a superseding federal investigation, and that's the ultimate test and ultimate answer to what will happen to these guys. >> ed lavandera, we will be watching. thanks very much. be right back.

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conversation with governor kasich, his wife karen was there, she agreed to talk. see that part of the interview on our website. we appreciate her and the governor's time today. that does it for us. thanks for watching. "biker brawl" inside the texas shootout starts now. get your hands up! >> mayhem and murder. >> sounds like a gun fight at the okay corral. >> went from a couple of drinks to chaos so fast. it was a nightmare. >> a nightmare in brought daylight as a restaurant in texas becomes a battlefield. >> i hear the shots going off, whizzing by me. >> reporter: the bloodbath sparked by two rival biker clubs. >> these are the worst of the worst, baddest of the bad. >> they're not here to drink beer and eat