one note about my conversation with governor kasich, his wife karen was there, she agreed to talk. see that part of the interview on our website. we appreciate her and the governor's time today. that does it for us. thanks for watching. "biker brawl" inside the texas shootout starts now. get your hands up! >> mayhem and murder. >> sounds like a gun fight at the okay corral. >> went from a couple of drinks to chaos so fast. it was a nightmare. >> a nightmare in brought daylight as a restaurant in texas becomes a battlefield. >> i hear the shots going off, whizzing by me. >> reporter: the bloodbath sparked by two rival biker clubs. >> these are the worst of the worst, baddest of the bad. >> they're not here to drink beer and eat barbeque.

>> reporter: when the bullets stop flying, nine men are dead, 177 arrested. >> it is ridiculous. i was just in shock. >> reporter: how could this have possibly happened, and could it mean an end to these outlaw gangs? >> do you think these investigators just come after you guys? >> reporter: cnn penetrates the world of dangerous motorcycle clubs with exclusive access to the rival bikers. >> you still think you have a target on your back? >> i do. >> reporter: tonight "biker brawl" inside the texas shootout. >> 911. state your emergency. >> reporter: it is a sunday afternoon in this small town of gordon, texas. >> i need the cops here at the truck stop, please, somebody getting the heck beat out of them. >> reporter: a member of the cossacks motorcycle club,

pumping gas at this truck stop is jumped by several bandidos. the rival bikers rip-off his jacket and beat him with a hammer, so brutally, say witnesses, he almost loses an eye. >> he's bleeding really bad, he can barely stand up. the guys have already left. >> reporter: to understand why the deadly shooting erupt in waco between the bandidos and cossacks, you have to know what happened at this truck stop. how violent things were getting. and what makes these bike gangs different. >> these are people, the worst of the worst, baddest of the bad. >> reporter: former atf agent matthew horace investigated the gangs for years. he says they have a violent rep for good reason. >> both of them are well known,

well documented what we refer to in government as outlaw motorcycle organizations. not every member is an outlaw, but there are members in the organizations that report and commit criminal acts. >> reporter: they preach a love of riding. in some clubs there's a more sinister side. >> this has got nothing to do with do gooders and philanthropists or choir boys, but on the other hand, it is not this great, huge criminal enterprise that everybody thinks. >> reporter: and pete james would know. 16 years he was president of the notorious chicago outlaws. on the street, he goes by big pete. >> the cossacks, i can sum that up in one sentence. who are they? the bandidos are way too big to even deal with the cossacks. the cossacks are like mosquitos, they can't hurt you, they pester

you. the bandidos are one of the largest in the world, chapters all over. a powerful club, and they're 1%ers. >> 1%ers like the bandidos believe the rules that apply to 99% of us don't apply to them. >> one percenter clubs are considered outlaws. they hardly talk. we managed to get access to the two rival clubs involved in the waco shootout. the president of the bandidos lives in this rural neighborhood behind houston, behind the trees and iron gate. he has never allowed cameras inside until now. >> come here you guys. you hungry? come on.

>> interesting to come out here, it is peaceful, quiet. a lot of ways your life is not peaceful and quiet. >> not now, but has been for a decade. >> reporter: jeff pike has worn the bandidos vest more than 35 years and been their national president for the last ten. >> the new bandidos are not the old bandidos. we get along with everybody except one. >> that's the one we're here about. >> correct. >> reporter: he is talking about the cossacks, a rival outlaw motorcycle gang. >> do you think of yourself as an outlaw? >> i haven't broken a law in decades. i don't know what you're talking about. >> reporter: but since the bandidos motorcycle club formed in texas in 1966, members have broken plenty of laws. arrested for crimes from smuggling drugs, running prostitution rings to assault

and murder. the club's founder, donald chambers went to prison in 1972 for double murder. four presidents after chambers were convicted for violence against rival bikers, drug, and federal racketeering charges. but pike says it's not like that any more. >> investigators talk about the 1%ers. what does that mean to you? >> not what it did 30 years ago. you didn't care about anybody, didn't care what anybody else thought. contrary to popular belief, doesn't mean you shun society and doesn't mean you're a criminal. >> and it is still part of the patch today. >> it is. >> reporter: a bandidos vest is a prized possession and tells a biker's story. his club name, city chapter, and mottos like this one. ftw, an acronym in biker speak

for [bleep] the world. these patches aren't scraps of fabric, they're bandidos badges of honor and hard to earn. >> i prospected four and a half months, got my patch in july of 1979. >> reporter: prime real estate on a biker's vest is the rocker. this is where bandidos laid claim to their home state. >> for years the bandidos were pretty much the only ones that wore that. >> and it says texas. >> says texas. but over the last decade there's dozens of clubs that wear texas bot om ro bottom rocker. and the cossacks asked for it. >> according to some in the biking world, it was a fatal error. >> they're trying to become 1%ers, show the bandidos that we are equal to you.

in the long run it was a tactical error, a blunder. >> reporter: how does a patch lead to this. coming up, living in fear, an exclusive with a cossack who was in the middle of it all. >> you saw the person pull the gun. you know when i first started out,

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we take care of our own. would i take a bullet for a brother? i have. >> reporter: he's a die hard member of his motorcycle club. >> always been that way. someone needs a tire, someone needs help with groceries, someone needs help with an electric bill, do our best to help them out. >> reporter: this is dean, he asked us to change his name and his voice because dean is worried. he . >> didn't plan for this to happen. >> reporter: he is a member of the cossackss that claims 200 members, mostly in small towns. >> the bandidos are described as 1%ers. >> we're not 1% club, don't want to be. that puts us in a totally

different category. >> reporter: 1%ers believe they don't have to apply the rules that apply to the other 99% of bikers. >> we are a motorcycle club, not a gang, we don't do drugs, we don't sell it, we don't make it, don't intimidate people, extort people. we rely on ourselves. >> do you think the bandidos feel threatened by the cossacks? >> yes, because we're growing. >> reporter: and eating into the bandidos turf, says the ex-president of the chicago outlaws. >> the cossacks could have done everything they wanted to do and fly under the radar. you don't have to take orders from the bandidos, just don't get in their way. >> i think there's a lot of residual hatred there. it is just an issue that we've had awhile, this has been brewing that we're not part of the coc. >> reporter: coc, or confederation of clubs are biker networks that exist in nearly

every state and meet every couple months to discuss motorcycle issues. in texas the bandidos insist they run the coc and make the rules. >> what kinds of things were the cossacks told they couldn't do? >> you need to pay us dues. >> the bandidos wanted dues to the coc or directly? >> to the coc. doesn't make sense why i am paying someone to be able to ride my motorcycle in the state of texas. we are not part of coc. what are you doing in here? >> reporter: adding fuel to fire, the cossacks started wearing that texas on their vest. traditionally it was only worn by bandidos. >> the bandidos come back to the cossacks, say you have to take that texas bottom rocker off the vest. >> not we had to, but would be better if you did. we said we're texas based, we been around almost as long as

y'all have, so we're going to put the texas on. >> reporter: the bandidos president says the patch has nothing to do with the feud. >> we gave them the patch. they even thanked us on facebook. >> so what is this battle between the bandidos and cossacks about? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: things went nuts in 2013 when the animosity escalated into full throttle aggression. >> there was incident after incident after incident progressively violent behavior, a couple of assaults, a couple of beatings, a couple of stabbings. >> reporter: in abilene, texas, a bloody knife fight outside a steakhouse sparked by cossacks wearing the texas bottom rocker, according to police. >> we know there are people in the restaurant eating at the time this occurred, not going to tolerate gang fights in the middle of a restaurant during

the day. >> reporter: a bandido was charged with the stabbing and later exonerated. march 2015 in gordon, texas, that brutal beating when bandidos allegedly jumped a cossacks getting gas. two hours later, 150 miles away retaliation when police say ten cossacks forced a bandido off the highway, then beat him with chains and metal pipes. no one was arrested in the two incidents, but the fights were getting nasty. so nasty that on may 1st, 2015 state police issued a bulletin to law enforcement agencies warning of escalating tension between the bandidos and cossacks. >> if we start to see there's a ratcheting up or expansion in violence and it is with the same people involved with the same organizations, that tells us that this is something we should be paying attention to. >> reporter: fbi agents picked up intelligence as well. the bandidos were planning to go to war with the cossacks.

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you are under arrest. >> reporter: waco, texas. >> this standoff is over. >> reporter: 23 years ago the scene of a violent showdown between the branch davidians and law enforcement. now another confrontation is brewing, this time between bitter rivals, the bandidos and cossacks. the fbi and police fear their increasingly violent feud is headed for all out war. >> it was our intelligence that told us they were headed this way, and were trying to get payback, whether against us or rival bike members, we don't know. >> reporter: dozens of police officers moved quietly into place near the restaurant, twin peaks. >> officers of one of the sheriff's offices communicated to twin peaks they were going to be having over 400 members at the meeting. >> reporter: a meeting at the

confederation of clubs where bikers gather to discuss and resolve issues. the cossacks are the first to arrive. strange says jeff pike. >> they really had no reason to be there that day. >> reporter: he is the national president of the bandidos biker gang. he wasn't in waco that day, but his club runs the texas coc. >> the cossacks are not a member of the confederation of clubs. they came on their own to do whatever they wanted. >> reporter: they wanted a truce, believed it was an open meeting says this cossacks biker who asked us to mask his identity. >> you guys were there to make peace? >> we were there to talk to them to say let's stop this. every time you turn around, we go to a bar, we go to a restaurant, some of your guys are getting stupid and picking fights. let's see if we can't find a common ground to where y'all leave us alone and we leave y'all alone. >> reporter: by 11:00 a.m., the cossacks bikers are sipping beers, shooting the breeze, seen

here in surveillance video obtained by cnn. outside the restaurant police dash cams capture the scene in the parking lot as a line of bandidos bikers roll up. >> i was the first one to pull in there. >> reporter: including jake carrizal who was riding in with his dad and uncle and looking for a place to park. >> as we turn in the bike parking, i see 50, 60, 70 cossacks there, you know, it caught me off guard. as soon as we pulled up, i back in and they were surrounding my bike. >> reporter: john wilson, the president of the cossacks waco chapter was sitting on the twin peaks patio with his son. >> the lead guy, i looked out, i was watching, he deliberately steered into one of our prospects and hit him, i mean, he wasn't going real fast, but ran into him with a motorcycle, enough to knock him down. >> reporter: carrizal says not quite. >> i didn't run over anyone's

foot. i think they come up with different scenarios to try to justify what happened. >> reporter: what was that mission? >> i know about a doubt they were there to confront us. >> reporter: clifford pierce, assigned to guard the cossacks bikes in the lot is caught in the middle. >> hey, a squabbling going on involving blocking the bikes in. >> reporter: that's pierce talking to investigators. >> you got your foot run over? >> i didn't get my foot run over, but i was in the way out there, i didn't get out of the way fast enough. >> everybody rushed out there, it wasn't a fight at that point, it was shouting back and forth, verbal altercation. >> reporter: as the shouting match quickly escalates, you see carrizal with a yellow helmet in the middle of it. he says a cossack threw the first punch. >> we were hit so quick, i didn't even have time to take my gloves off nor my helmet. >> reporter: fists are flying.

then far worse. >> i heard a gunshot so i just hit the dirt. >> then someone pulls a gun. pops off three rounds. then someone else pulled one, then someone else pulled one, and then gunfire coming from all different areas. >> i remember yelling for my dad because i knew he was there somewhere. i had never been that scared in my life. >> reporter: carrizal is taken to the ground, he's in an all out brawl with several cossacks. he doesn't realize it then, but you can see a biker emerge fing from the chaos, pointing a gun, looking for a target. suddenly the biker's head snaps back and he drops to the ground. >> you hear the shots? >> i hear the shots whizzing by me. i had guys all over me. i had one i had taken to the ground, i was using him to block me from the rest of them. >> reporter: he stumbles and looks for cover as another biker

takes aim. >> you actually see four plumes of smoke come out from him, he is pointed right at you. >> oh, yeah. >> boom boom boom, you fall to the ground. you didn't get hit. >> no. looks like a cop may have taken him out. >> he dropped. fired four times. >> yeah. >> reporter: one biker brazenly runs across the patio, shooting wildly into the parking lot, terrified customers and waitresses run for cover. this twin peaks waitress didn't want to be seen. >> there was a lot of screaming, oh my god, what's going on, start screaming, take off running to the back. >> reporter: she and others reach a walk in refrigerator and call for help. >> waco 911. where are you? >> twin peaks restaurant, sitting outside. >> get in the cooler, get in the cooler, guys, get in the cooler. >> we had racks in front to

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>> reporter: cossacks, bandidos, angry, dangerous and bitter enemies. months of rage and violence have led to this moment. an all out battle in the parking lot of a favorite biker hangout. hundreds of bullets have been fired as armed police officers are nearby watching. dozens are down, wounded or dead

and the bloody clash shows no signs of stopping. >> there would be a pause in gunshots and then you'd hear a few more go off. >> reporter: seconds into the showdown, surveillance video shows this biker running from the twin peaks patio covered in blood. >> it was pretty horrific. there were guys getting hit, falling, and i realized i needed to get away from where i was. >> reporter: biker john wilson did get away. you can see him inside twin peaks ducking for cover. but this man seen in the red bandanna was not as lucky. he hits another biker in the throat with what looks like a chain, they wrestle to the ground, then he's struck several times in the head. he is stomped on at least once, and looks to be shot by a third biker. he seems lifeless as the men he was fighting walk away.

then another fight breaks out. look closely as the highlighted biker is shot in the leg during the skirmish. cossacks richard kirchner stumbles to the curb and collapses. when the area is secure, members of the cossacks carry him away for help. both bikers die at the scene. by now, waco police s.w.a.t. officers armed with rifles are firing from the perimeter. >> the shooting at individual bikers from bikers turned towards us. our officers took fire and responded appropriately returning fire. >> reporter: when the guns fell silent, the twin peaks parking lot was a frozen bloodbath. pools of blood smeared everywhere, shell casings scattered across the ground. >> in my nearly 35 years of law enforcement experience, this is

the most violent, gruesome scene i have dealt with. >> reporter: dead bikers lie among toppled harleys, others cling to life nearby like richard kirchner. >> he was bleeding real badly. >> reporter: wilson says he begged police to help his dying friend. >> i started asking the police, police bring the ambulance in. i was told the area wasn't secure yet. three of the dead were still alive 30 minutes afterwards. it was shocking and disturbing to me. >> reporter: you think there was a chance to save them? >> sure, we'll never know, i think so. he bled to death. >> reporter: the waco police department declined our request for interview and wouldn't comment on timing of the aid to the wounded citing a gag order. former atf matt horace says the

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we have wounded inside. we have people stabbed. we have people shot and we have people beat. >> reporter: the carnage tells the story of one of the goriest chapters in biker history. as the shooting spree ends, s.w.a.t. teams move inside twin peaks to round up the bikers. cossacks john wilson was there.

>> very quickly, the waco pd came running in the front of the building, hollering to everybody to get down and what not, hollering their commands, which we did. >> reporter: one of the first waco cops on the scene describes it later in his police report. i asked anybody who had a gun to raise their hand. at the time it appeared to me that nearly everybody in the crowd raised their hand. >> they promptly got us up, had us put our hands on top of our head and walked us out of the building. >> reporter: in surveillance footage, you can see a parade of bikers with twin peaks employees and customers leaving the restaurant with their hands up. >> at last count, we have 170 individuals that we have arrested. >> reporter: the count grows to an unprecedented 177 bikers

arrested. including matt who took cover in the bathroom during the melee. >> why would they feel the need to take over 170 people and put us behind bars just because we were there and riding a motorcycle. it makes no sense to me. >> reporter: there were so many bikers arrested, they had to bring them here to the waco convention center. police divided rival bikers into separate rooms where they were processed and held into the middle of the night. >> right on the floor of the convention center, stay zip tied for 18, 19 hours, i was just in shock. >> tearing me up even worse, not knowing what's happening with my wife. >> reporter: william and morris english went to twin peaks for a biker meeting, now they're being questioned in a massive criminal investigation. >> i want to understand in my

head, what did i do wrong, why are we being held like this. >> reporter: waco police say few of these bikers were innocent bystanders. >> this is a criminal element that came in and killed people. they're not here to drink beer and eat barbeque, they came with violence in mind. >> sort of weave our way through here, right through here. >> reporter: video and audio clips capture the chaotic scene in the convention center as police interrogate biker after biker. >> did you physically yourself see anybody shoot? no. >> there was no idea this was all going to happen today. do you think anybody knew? >> i'm certain they did. >> reporter: some bikers are

belligerent. >> i rode in with rick kir shall ner. he's in the hospital at the moment. >> does he have a nickname? >> bear. >> do you want me to tell you how he's doing? he's dead. >> reporter: the story this biker tells is about his own son. >> i shut them off, as soon as the guns stopped, going back because my son was shot in the head bleeding next to me. i started trying to deal with him. >> okay, and was that one of your brothers? >> my son. >> i'm sorry, i did not know. >> reporter: and this man reaches a boiling point. >> i don't have no [bleep] information. >> what's your cell phone number? >> can't call me. i don't understand why my phone is being confiscated when i didn't do nothing. >> reporter: after the interrogatio interrogations, a sea of mug shots are released, then bikers are taken to jail and slapped

with $1 million bonds. >> a million dollar bond. everybody in the room. same thing. and everybody just -- >> reporter: did you look around? what was the look on people's faces. >> silence. everybody was in shock. >> reporter: he spent more than two weeks locked up. >> i had to post $100,000 to get out of here. it is outrageous. there are families suffering, businesses that are suffering, you know, it is just unreal. >> what happened in waco that day is absolutely the most unamerican thing i have seen the criminal justice system participate in on american soil ever, anywhere. >> reporter: the defense attorney paul loony represents three of the bikers. >> everybody in our country is entitled to be looked at individually as to whether or not there's probable cause to believe they were involved in a crime before they're held in a jail. they didn't do that.

yet we're putting them through absolute hell anyway. >> reporter: former atf agent says hell or not, this is how police needed to handle this incident. >> i think everyone has to understand that once gunfire erupted, this became a crime scene, and anyone that was on that scene became a potential part of the crime, and if it is 20 people, 200 people or 1,000 people, we will take as long as we have to take to ensure our safety and the public's safety. >> reporter: all the bikers are eventually released from jail. almost six months pass before anyone is indicted. >> we're not done. we still have a lot of work to do. we will continue to do that. >> reporter: by march, 2016, nearly a year after the massacre, 154 of the 177 bikers have been indicted by a waco grand jury on charges of

engaging in organized criminal activity. one of those indicted is cossacks, john wilson. >> to me it is ridiculous. i think the families are being sacrificed for somebody's political gain. >> reporter: all the bikers charged, even if they took cover in the twin peaks bathroom face life in prison. >> your theory on what's going on with the indictments and all of the cases. >> everything they have done has been seemingly peculiar. in fact, i have laughingly called it the book of waco. if you want to know what's going on in waco, you have to find a special book that only the waco people have. >> reporter: coming up, the war in waco rages on, what's next, who's to blame? >> do you think police overreacted that day? >> i think they underreacted, they sat in the shadows with their guns.

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fight against the banditos. here federal agents if the pib and doj have far more on their minds than what happened 200 miles away in waco. >> the san antonio federal prosecution, i believe, is going to be an effort to completely crush criminal behavior from motorcycle clubs. >> attorney paul loony represents three bikers arrested in waco. >> do you think any of these waco biker cases will ever see a waco courtroom? >> no. not one. i think that the federal investigators took charge of this on the very first day. their goal is to maintain the status quo, while the federal agencies complete their investigation in the bandito indictment out of san antonio. >> that bandito's indictment was underway long before waco ever happened and likely has a different goal. loony believes the feds are really after the feds who call

the shots for the banditos. big guys like banditos president jeff pike. in january, the feds came for pike in a big way. torching their way through his front gate in an early morning raid. >> they woke you up? >> yeah, they woke me up. somebody's here! i looked -- >> what'd you see? >> i saw an army tank looking thing with red and blue lights and i was like, that would be the cops. >> reporter: it was a cavalry of around 20 federal agents. >> i guess i better get up. >> that morning, pike and two banditos leaders were indicted. the federal indictment included a wide range of charges. assault, extortion, and murder. but no mention of the shoot-out in waco. pike pleaded not guilty and is out on bond awaiting trial. >> the indictment against you and the others says you guys were extortionists, thieves,

murderers. >> who'd we kill? >> neither pike nor the two men indicted with him were in waco that fatal day when nine bikers were killed. either way, pike says, the banditos didn't start it. >> did the banditos declare war on the cossacks? >> they asked me that in my interview when they arrested me and i said, how you going to do that? it's an act of congress to declare war. what'd we do? write them a letter or what? i don't know what they're talking about. evidently somebody said it, but it sure wasn't me. >> they were there on a mission for somebody. and it wasn't good. who shows up to a twin peaks with a piece of chain, with batons, with brass knuckles? >> reporter: bandito jake carasell was in waco and in the middle of the brawl. >> you think they came there to ambush you that day? >> without a doubt.

>> not so, says dean, a cossack biker, who took a bullet that day. he asked us to hide his identity. >> let me say here, cossack got ambushed and all his guys died and we had seven people died. i wonder who had the most guns. figure that one out. >> dean says it was a bandito who fired the first shot. carizzal says that's ridiculous. >> who would be that dumb to pull out a gun and shoot three times when you're surrounded by 50, 60 guys? that's nonsense. we were ambushed in a war zone. >> what did these guys die for? >> well, from right now, the way it looks, it almost looks like stupidity. all i can say is that pride has a lot to do with everything. >> investigators continue to piece together how the melee began. the banditos and the cossacks

point fingers at each other, but have come together over one thing. both clubs blame the police for escalating the violence, and for killing some of their brothers. >> do you think police overreacted that day? >> i think they underreacted. they could have one uniformed police officer standing on the sidewalk in front of that place and nothing would have happened. but they didn't do that. they promoted the confrontation, they got ready to film it, they just sat in the shadows with their guns. >> why'd have an armored vehicle here if you weren't going to use the damned thing. >> reporter: as we reported earlier, the waco police department refused to answer any of our questions about their role in the shoot-out, citing a gag order. but former atf agent matthew horace says there was little the cops could do. >> biker organizations, the 1

percenters, have always fought with police, and at the end of the day, more guns in the room don't necessarily make it safer. and more police officers in the room when the shoot-out happens doesn't cause less death. it might cause more death. >> how many of the cossacks that were killed that day do you think or believe were killed by law enforcement that were out there? >> i'm going to say two because of the gun wounds. because of the rapid fire. everybody in that area had handguns. you're not going to bring an assault rifle hidden under a little vest. those were law enforcement guns. >> full ballistic reports have not come back, but evidence from the autopsies and firearm analysis shows that some of the dead bikers were hit by 223 caliber ammunition, ammo generally used by police for assault rifles. what's not clear yet is if police gunfire actually killed any bikers. >> the police organizations on that day were carries 223

weapons, which were standard tactical weapons to be used in situations like that. so that goes with the territory. it's pretty clear that some of the officers did hit a number of the bikers. once things had escalated to a point where lethal force is justified, at that point, all bets are off. >> and all bets are off for the bikers indicted for waco. one year after the massacre, more than 150 of the 177 arrested bikers have been indicted, on charges of engaging an organized criminal activity and could spend the rest of their lives in prison. but so far, not one murder charge that be filed. both clubs, the banditos and the cossacks say they're done fighting. >> i wouldn't doubt if there would be more problems down the road. >> everybody needs to go their separate ways, lick their wounds, learn frit, and be better from it. >> you still feel like you have a target on your back?

>> i do. i do. >> why is that? >> for some people, this isn't over. >> is it worth it to remain a cossack and deal with all of that? >> yes, yes. for the brotherhood, for the family. we're a motorcycle club, we want to be left alone. we just want to ride and ride in texas. that's where we're from. >> so this is your harley? >> one of them, yeah. >> reporter: jeff pike for the time being says he's officially stepped down as el presidente of the banditos. >> you ready to see this go to trial? >> i'm ready to go right now, man. i have done nothing. i am very confident. >> and confident that federal criminal charges won't keep him or the banditos off the country's roadways. >> do you think the feds are using waco as a way of shutting you guys down? >> that's impossible. you can't just wipe out a whole organization because you don't like the way they look. they can try, but i don't think

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