that's tomorrow. and we'll be here at a very special time tomorrow with more. tomorrow at midnight. that'll be fun. get your sleep now and stay up and join us. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening and thanks for joining us. tonight, breaking news in a "360" exclusive, the first interview with donald trump's last rival. for one brief moment, ohio governor john kasich was the last man standing between donald trump and the republican presidential nomination. trump had just won the indian primary, ted cruz had just left the race, and kasich woke up getting what he wanted, to go one on one with trump and prevail at the convention in cleveland. instead, that same day, governor kasich decided to end his run. then there's the speculation about him being drafted to run as an independent, his name being floated as a vice presidential pick and whether or not he'll throw his support behind donald trump. i talked about all of that with

governor kasich and more this morning at the governor's mansion in columbus. >> your name has come up in the news a lot the last couple of days. i wanted to ask you about it. there's a story in "the washington post" this weekend, it's got a lot of pickup, that a number of republicans, conservatives, mitt romney among them, has been looking at the possibility of a third party candidate or an independent candidate or a conservative candidate. your name has been mentioned. has mitt romney reached out to you? have you -- >> well, i don't want to get into who -- i've had a phone call with somebody that wanted me to run, consider me running as third party candidate. >> are you considering running? >> no, i'm not going to do that. >> why? >> i think i gave it my best where i am. and i think running third party doesn't feel right. i think it's not constructive. and, you know, one of the things that's interesting is it's really hard to be thoughtful when you're dealing with the

media. because many of them think that everything is sort of a political ploy or a political play. it's been a little bit of a disappointment. i've talked to somebody in the media who say, you know, you have a responsibility. it's really interesting. you can have depth to something and people think, that's just politics. no, when i talk about two paths, you know, the path of rebuilding the country or pushing people down into the ditch, that's not some political ploy that somebody calculated for me. that's my -- that's my insides. that's my soul. and so, you know, a third party candidacy would be viewed as a silly thing and i don't think it's appropriate. i just don't think it would be the right thing to do. >> not right for you. would you like to see somebody else run at this point? >> you know, i hadn't even thought about that. i think a third party candidacy to achieve what, to win? or to go in and disrupt? >> to stop donald trump. >> the only reason to do

anything like that would be if you had a message you felt so compelled to deliver, that it would give you an opportunity to do that, but i don't see who's out there with that kind of a message and would it work? so does -- reince priebus has called it a suicide mission in terms of whoever does it, hurting their career, their future political career, you don't want to see a third person -- somebody coming into the race to run to essentially stop donald trump? you don't think that's necessary? >> i mean, i haven't even thought about it -- the answer would be no. i think now we'll have the two standard-bearers. look, i remember when perot ran. he had a very important message he wanted to deliver on the economy and on the budget. that was -- you never questioned what ross perot was doing. i think a third party insurgency -- teddy roosevelt did it, right? i don't know if he did it because he was concern ordinary angry that he'd been left out. but i just think we're not a

third party kind of a country and just to run a campaign to block somebody, to me -- because, at the same time, i wanted to win and get to an open convention. my basic deal was not to stop somebody else, it was to be about the ideas i had. so i'm not kind of an againer. i'm against somebody. you know, if things get really bad situation, i could be. but i'm not there yet. >> the sentence you wrote -- you started and didn't finish was, the idea of just running to block somebody --? what, that's not something you feel is right or appropriate? >> not for me. >> has there been any moment where you thought, maybe i dropped out too soon? maybe i should have stuck with it? >> the interesting part about that is, when indiana happened and you had the chairman of the

republican party endorse trump, which i thought was completely inappropriate, is, my -- >> inappropriate because? >> well, i'm still there. what -- he just wanted to get this thing over. i'm not happy about it. but anyway, neither here nor there. we learned to forgive and forget. but we were going to stay in it for four or five days to see if people would really come with the biggest money because we were never able to get big, big money in the campaign. we were outspent 50 to 1, yet i'm the last guy standing against trump. but they didn't want me to say that, unanimously. because if you say, we're going to see how it works, then the media puts a death watch on you until you're dead. and so i was going to go to washington and do a lot of press, usa "today" editorial board, i had two fund-raisers. and i was thinking, how do i

reconcile the fact that i'm going to tell people i'm going to run as hard as i can to the convention knowing that in 48 to 72 hours, i might drop out? and we were actually sitting on the plaep and i was really, really, conflicted. not as conflicted as one might think. i said, we're getting out at this point and called the closest staff together and said, it's time to go. it would have been disingenuous having an interview with you saying, we're going all the way, knowing in the back of my mind we might be gone in 72 hours. we were raising a good chunk of money, but not enough to make the kind of difference i wanted to make. and here's what i was really worried about, the message of unity and healing, what i took to the campaign and stayed with consistently, i did not want that message to be belittled. it is so important for our

country that that message is alive. and i didn't want to lose that. i didn't want people to forget and say, he's going to get beaten in nebraska or new jersey and, you know, what's he doing? so i sort of felt preserving the message was really more important than anything else. >> in terms of what happens now, i guess you -- i guess the obvious question is -- >> what do i do now? >> one obvious question is, will you endorse donald trump? >> i don't know. i told you about these two paths. if i feel -- you know, i read some stuff recently, well, i'm not glued to this, with i've read some other stuff that to me is too negative. so i'm undecided. >> do you want -- what sort of stuff? >> i don't think i need to get into specifics, but people that are attacking. i don't like when he's attacking and putting people down. you know, learn to take it a little bit. the idea of, at least initially, maybe paul ryan shouldn't be at

the convention. you know, come on, you won. be magnanimous. so anderson, i'm for uniting and i have to see him move to uniting. if he doesn't, i'm undecided here at this point. so we'll see what happens. >> so just for the record, you're undecided about whether or not you would endorse donald trump for president? >> i am undecided. >> are you undecided about whether you would actually vote for him? >> you know, at the end o. day, endorsing is going to mean a lot. and frankly, my wife and my daughters have watched this. and if i were to turn around today and endorse him, they would be like, why, dad? and that matters to me. we'll see what he does? he has a chance to move to the positive side and unify this country. >> is it a question of tone or policies? >> i think it's both. i think it's both and have some consistent policy and be positive. if you don't -- look, anderson, we know that the beatles were right, money can't buy you love.

but we guarantee know that the foundation of this country needs to be a strong economy. that gives people hope. but the spirit of our country doesn't rest in dollars and cents. it rests inside of us. and if we are saying that the reason you're doing poorly is because somebody from mexico has taken your money or somebody from china is taking your money, that's not a standing against the wind. in some cases, that's scapegoating. i hate scapegoating. we have problems. have the elites let us down? are you kidding me? the politicians have been terrible, terrible. so what are we going to do? just sitting around being in a bad mood or say, what am i doing for my community? what am i doing for my family? what am i doing strt struggle that i have to bring about a positive? that's what matters to me for our country, because our country is so divided. i had a delightful conversation with paul ryan over the weekend. i intend to go out and campaign

for house and senate members. i left a message for the head of the senate campaign committee. if they want me, i'll go and help them. paul ryan was delighted to hear it and paul and i, you know, one of the things that a friend of mine in new york said, can you imagine if you were president, paul ryan was speaker, could have changed everything. just like we came in 2010 and '11 and changed ohio dramatically, i had a partner there, and that's a little bit frustrating. but i told paul, i'll do whatever you want. whatever you need. if i come out against them and help them, i'll do that. whatever makes sense >> do you think donald -- you talk about his reaction to both -- his tone and also his policies. do you think at this point he's convinced you he has the temperament, the ability to be president? the qualifications? >> i'm going to give him more time. not that i -- so i'm just john

kasich. but i have a right to take a position and i will have a position and opinion. i've made it clear that i need to see a positive approach and if there's one not forthcoming, it's going to be a real problem. >> do you think he's capable of that? >> i don't know. i don't know him real that well. i stood on a stage with him, but didn't spend time with him. there's a sense in the media that we're all kind of hanging out and calling one another. that's a fantasy. the closest we all were is when we were in the elevator in cleveland, all of us in one elevator. and i looked around and thought, if this elevator just crashed, the people would probably cheer! >> was it an awkward silent elevator ride? >> that's the other thing, some of these candidates would viciously attack one another and then backstage, it would be like, how's it going! it's like it was a game. it wasn't a game to me. at any time running for president was a game. >> obvious, your name has also

been talked about as vice presidential candidate. vice presidential pick. ben carson has given a number of names -- is ben picking vice presidents? >> well, he's talking about who donald trump apparently is -- >> remember the last time a guy thought that, maybe ben will be picked, right? you never know. >> all joking aside, governor kasich did have a serious answer to the question whether he would accept the position of druonald tru trump's running mate. and next, a profile that he is calling a fraud and phoning into one of our control rooms to complain about and has been tweeting about it even more. are his complaints justified? stay tuned. and two motorcycle clubs went to war with each other and the police, it happened a year ago. why a year later not one single person is in jail. wanna drink more water?

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welcome back. breaking news in a cnn exclusive tonight. ohio governor john kasich speaking out for the first time since ending his presidential campaign. he outlasted 15 other rivals, including some of the biggest names in gop politics. he told me he's not interested in running a third party campaign in november. before the break, he joked about vice presidential selection process now underway in the trump campaign. and this part of our conversation, i asked him directly what he would do if he got the offer. is that something you would consider? during the campaign, you said absolutely not. >> i have not changed my mind on that. i have said all along, i have the second best job in america. >> so if donald trump called you

up today and said, you've got to do this for the country? >> no, i'm not inclined to do that. i'm not. no. i'm really actually excited about getting back here with my team for the state of ohio. i gave it my best. >> because trump has said he wants somebody, you know, experience on the hill. >> look, here's the situation. you know, we've lad two different messages. his message was, you know, the elites are bad, and everybody's giving you the shaft, and kind of gotten people angry. my message is, yeah, a lot of these elites, whether it's the politicians, whether it's big business, whether it's athletes, whether it's the media, whether it's entertainment, they've all disappointed us in one way or another. and many people have gotten the shaft, but my message is, let's stand against the wind. don't cave into the negative. let's figure out how, as people, we can rebuild our country. those are two very inconsistent messages. so it would be very hard for me,

unless he were to change all of his views and become a uniter, for me to get in the middle of this thing. because i'm undecided here about what i'm going to do in this race. >> you know this state incredibly well, obviously. i think there was a recent quinnipiac poll, of donald trump versus hillary clinton in battleground states. it showed, essentially, essentially them even, within the margin of error. >> look, these polls come and go. >> do you think -- >> i don't know who they're polling. i don't know if they're polling likely voters, all voters. i don't know. >> do you think ohio is a hillary clinton state or a donald trump state? >> i think if you're not a unifier, you have a big problem. if you're going to double down on negative, it isn't going to work. >> doesn't work in ohio? >> i don't believe it does, no. you cannot be -- you cannot come into here with the glass half empty and polarize people and think you're going to win ohio. >> the conventional wisdom, which is both conventional, not sure how much wisdom it is -- >> yeah, nothing's been right.

>> it's been proved wrong. >> i hate to even use that term. but a lot of people are looking at this race that's coming and thinking, this is going to be unlike anything we've seen, just scorched earth, it's going to be brutal. >> both will use negative tactics, no question about it, try to beat the other one down. and you know, that just adds to the cynicism about politicians. i just, i've always believed that in politics, your strength are your ideas. it's not like beating somebody else down. people say, why didn't you go negative? why didn't you get it into with trump? at one point, i did, when he kept talking about deporting 11.5 billion and ben carson kept saying he wanted to abolish medicare, at that point i'd had enough. but if your thrust is going to be negative, then go get another job. because to me, you get people passionate about ideas. >> as we talked about, you were on that debate stage an awful lot. >> they never thought i'd make the first one. >> donald trump is now saying

the temporary ban on muslims was just a suggestion. does that surprise you? because when he said it, when his campaign announced it, it didn't sound like a suggestion? >> if you want to be a great leader, you have to have consistency. that doesn't mean you have to be consistent on everything. you have a right to change your position or your mind, but you better be careful about what you say, because, you are, like, running for president of the united states. >> final question, you said, you don't think trump can win ohio if the message stays the way it has been, the tone stays the way it has been. do you think he can win the presidency if the message doesn't change? >> i think it's very, very difficult if you are a divider. now, we have to see how mrs. clinton performs. she's going to be the nominee and we have to see what she does. if she's going to move far to the left, than it's an open race. if she does not -- if she doesn't have a unifying message, then it's like a, throw it up,

who knows? but the demographics are a real problem for republicans, if they spend their time bashing hispanics, turning off african-americans, and not getting young people excited. i mean, how do you win? >> governor kasich, thank you very much. >> yes, enjoyed it. >> so no to the vice presidents, no to a third party run, no a trump endorsement, at least at now. the question is, will any of it hurt donald trump? the panel reacts next. and you've seen "saturday night live's" donald trump. how about hillary clinton's? >> i'm gonna create 'em, gonna be great. i know how to do it, but i'm not telling you what it is i'm gonna do.

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you just heard from ohio governor john kasich, his first interview since leaving the race. he ruled out a third party run and held off on endorsing donald trump. he made a lot of news today, so did donald trump. alex burns and carl bernstein, wring the best-selling biography, "a woman in charge,"

cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger, as well as kayleigh mcenany, and on the left, atlantic media contributor, peter bernart, so alex, what do you make of kasich not endorsing trump. he said he didn't really know him well. >> i think a lot of people in the party are giving trump not quite the benefit of the doubt, but enough time to see whether he can change. but, you know, anderson, i think the bigger deal out of the interview was not just the refusal to endorse up front, but the way he spoke to you, he said donald trump would need a full-scale personality and policy transplant in order to get him there, which i guess is not entirely out of the question, but this is the governor of the most important swing state, where donald trump appears to have an even shot at winning. giving him a very, very cold shoulder. >> gloria? >> if you look at every issue, it is kind of like paul ryan. i know he mentioned having a nice conversation with paul ryan to you, but on issues like trade

and immigration and on the temporary ban on muslims, he degrees with donald trump. and what you see there is somebody who's a party person, kind of struggling for a way to get to you, but he also talked to you about having to answer to his family, who lived through this campaign with him. and you can tell at the very least, at least unenthusiastic about it. if he ever gets there, i have no idea. >> unenthusiastic about that, and yet called up speaker ryan to say he's willing to go out and campaign for candidates. kayleigh, as a trump supporter, he says point-blank he's not interested in the vice presidential spot. his name has been bandied about. >> if he doesn't want the vp slot, his name shouldn't be in the running. but i don't see it quite as much of a negative as the others do, he said, i never was running to block someone, i was running to promote any ideas. it's completely understandable that someone who ran in one of the toughest primaries that we've seen in modern history is

stepping back and saying, i'm not ready to do this just yet. if he changes or things coalesce, maybe i'll jump jobben board, and we're seeing more senators -- >> you think it's on a matter of time -- >> i do. >> that this trump-trump, that it's all going to evolve -- >> i think this is a matter of time and the single most important endorsement that trump needs to get. it's more important to me than paul ryan's endorsement, even. inlg sthst crucial that john kasich endorse donald. >> but when you hear kasich saying that being negative in ohio doesn't work, do you think that's true? >> i understand that. i think what he's meaning, he doesn't want the little marco exchanges. he wants to see not necessarily going negative at all, i think he would be fine going after the clinton foundation or some of these scandals, but i guess he wants to see the level of rhetoric changed something more suited for a general election. >> the governor also told me today, he's not interested in being a third party candidate.

reince priebus had came forward and said, whoever decides to do that, it would be like a suicide mission. >> i know the third party candidacy idea is something that a lot of folks are flirting with and it's still out there, but it's still a fantasy until you have someone who's actually willing to do it. i think the logistical problems with trying to put someone on the ballot is, i think those hurdles may be too difficult to overcome. i think this effort is a little late at this point. i understand why, i'm one of those folks that's in the position where i'm not voting for either one of them, so is it a conscience vote? maybe, possibly. but just back to what john kasich said in his interview i found interesting, i don't know that he will necessarily come around, given he has fundamental issues with donald trump, not only on policy, but a character issue. something that struck me, gloria and i both said, huh, at the same time, when he said, my wife and daughters are watching. that matters, because he sees the way donald trump behaves and

he looks as a dad, outside of just being a politician, he looks as a dad and a person raising daughters, how do i explain to support someone who behaves this way. i think that's a problem with a lot of people. >> it is interesting talking to the governor, he does seem a guy, when you talk to him, it's not just politics, that it is personal and he is sort of struggling with a lot of these issues. or thinking about them. >> it's an important point, how everything a politician does is seem as political and the media don't give people credit that actually they're speaking from their gut. i think underlying a lot of these questions about people not wanting to support donald trump, whether it be paul ryan or john kasich is this simple. they don't think he's a good man. they really don't. it's not simply that they disagree with some of his policies or are prepared to be president, they are revolted by the kind of human being that he has shown himself to be in this campaign. and i thought it was particularly telling that john kasich would refer to his wife and daughter on the day when we've been talking about the way

donald trump treats women. i think he was playing into that very narrative. it's not the kind of thing you want to hear. >> but when i heard him say that, i heard him say, basically, how could i change -- i criticize this person, how could i change overnight in a matter of 72 hours, you know, 2 weeks, however long it's been, to all of a sudden full-throttle endorsing or supporting someone. >> you don't think his wife and daughters have had conversations with him about some of his obnoxious behavior and commentary, and the ad that came out with his actual words about women. you don't think his daughters is and wife have had those conversation reques conversation? >> i don't think any of us can speculate to the private conversations zsh. >> it's interesting, carl, mitt romney is supposedly calling around people, looking for a third party candidate and to reince priebus' point, whoever runs, it is a suicide mission.

why doesn't mitt romney himself do that? he doesn't have a political career in the future. he's got money. if he believes so firmly in this, why wouldn't he be the one to step up? >> he's a mercurial man and i don't know the answer to that. what is clear, there's not any real chance of success in a third party candidacy, though i heard an out that kasich's left here. he said, absolutely not to the vice presidency at the beginning of your interview and left a little wiggle room for the head transplant you're talking about. and people close to kasich that i talk to expected he might take the vice presidency if something akin to to transplant took place. go back to 1980, reagan/bush, this fierce, fierce campaign that the two of them had. bush despised reagan and vice versa. thought he was a lightweight, bush did. that he was almost nuts. and sure enough, bush took the

vice presidency. that would imply, for that to happen, there has to be this turnaround we're talking about. and it's very unlikely from what we've seen that trump has the restraint to turn around. >> you think governor kasich has a future ahead of him. he's out of office in two years. >> in a lot of ways, i mean, in fairness to peter's point and the governor's point, you don't want to assume everything they do is cynical and political, but if there's a path forward for governor kasich to run for president again, it probably counts on trump losing, and losing badly, and then the party looking back at the field of candidates they had this time and thinking, gosh, we had the opportunity to nominate someone who was the polar opposite of that guy who just lost terribly, and that was john kasich. >> got to take a quick break. one more, governor kasich says he plans to write a book about the campaign and what he hopes to see for the future of the country. he's getting work on that, now. a lot more to talk about ahead

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only with xfinity. well, donald trump called hillary clinton an enabler of her husband's behavior towards women, he opened the door for reporters to scrutinize his own treatment of women. "the new york times" stormed through that door based on dozens of interviews with women in donald trump's life. it doesn't paint a flattering picture. now donald trump is hitting back hard. so is one of the women interviewed. cnn's sara murray has the latest. >> reporter: donald trump is going to war with the media yet again. this time taking aim at "the new york times" for a front page story highlighting tales of trump appearing to objectify women and make unwelcome advances. today one of the women featured in the piece who once dated trump says her story was misrepresented. >> i made it very clear many times that i had a very pleasant

relationship with donald and that i never felt like i was being, you know, depicted as, you know, a piece of meat or anything like that. i was never offended by anything that he had said. >> prompting trump to call the story a hit piece on twitter, adding, we have exposed the article as a fraud. the story advisoreveals instanc trump critiques women's figures, giving a pageant contestant a kiss on the lips, even as he made offhand comments that some viewed as demeaning and dismissive. the reporters who interviewed dozens of women are standing by their piece. >> there's no single dimension about donald trump and women. >> the transition to presumptive gop nominee means even more media scrutiny for trump. last week, it was a "washington post" story on the billionaire businessman posing as his own spokesman, which provided even

more fodder for "saturday night live". >> mr. trump is the real-life inspiration for ironman. who am i? i'm his publicist, joey pepperoni. this weekend, president obama land as his own shots against the republican, critiquing prei trump's plan to bar muslims from entering the u.s. and calling him ignorant without calling him out by name. >> in politics and in life, ignorance is not a virtue. it's not cool to not know what you're talking about. that's not keeping it real or telling it like it is. that's not challenging political correctness. that's just not knowing what you're talking about. >> reporter: all of this as some gop leaders, including 2012 gop nominee mitt romney and "weekly standard" editor bill kristol are still trying to recruit a third party candidate to take on trump.

it's an effort the rnc chair denounced as a suicide mission. >> look, it's a suicide mission for our country, because what it mean that is you're throwing down not just eight years of the white house, but potentially 100 years on the supreme court. and wrecking this country for many generations. >> sara, i understand trump actually called the cnn control room this morning to weigh in on the story? >> reporter: anderson, that is absolutely right. during cnn's "new day," donald trump called into the control room to alert cnn that rowanne brewer lane had been on another show to say she felt misrepresented. he wanted cnn to realize this was going on. he apparently did not want to be on "new day" himself to dispute this story, but it is clear he wanted to get this counternarrative out there and he's been tweeting up a story all day saying it's false and malicious and slamming the "new york times."

>> all right, back with the panel. gloria, in terms of this article, if you donate li't lik trump, you'll latch on to some of the details in this article. and if you do like trump, people will say it's a hit job. >> and we can look back at this campaign and say he has said many more controversial things publicly about women than the women are saying that he did in this "new york times" piece. not only about hillary clinton, but about carly fiorina, and it impo goes on and on. i don't think this piece is any kind of a game changer in any way, so if you like trump, you're going to say, okay, this was the '80s and the '90s and a lot of women were treated this way, which is something i can attest to, as somebody who worked during those years. on the other hand, you read these things and say, this is just part and parcel of the way he treats women, if you don't

like him. does it change anyone's mind? yox. >> carl, do you think it has an impact? a little bit, but the real thing that has an impact is when you listen to the howard stern tapes. when you go to those tapes and hear his actual voice and what he's saying, you hear some fundamental things about his views of women and they're pretty awful. at the same time, i know women who have worked in the trump organization and say, he's a fine person and he doesn't abuse us. so i think, as "the times" guy said in the clip we ran, there are two sides in "the new york times" account, but trump does have to deal with the reality of what he's said publicly. and at the same time, the clinton campaign has its own difficultieser that trump is exploiting very effectively. we'll see where this goes. >> kayleigh, do you think this has an impact? because again, as sara pointed out, one of the women highlighted has come forward and said she was misrepresented. >> not only that, but a few

moments ago on cnn, there was another woman in the article who said she was unhappy with the piece and knew several other women who felt the same way. you have several people coming forward and saying this was not at all what they portrayed to "the new york times." and "the new york times" said they were trying to give both sides, but there are 12 highlights throughout the article that they highlight specific things. all of which are negative towards mr. trump, that take this one woman out of context. if they're trying to highlight both sides, perhaps their own highlights should highlight both side. >> it's interesting donald trump thought this was important enough to call into the control room. >> was it john miller calling in? listen, i still find that very strange. you're a presidential candidate. why are you personally calling the control room of cnn? that's what your campaign people are for. that's why you have a press secretary. so this, like, micromanaging of things is a little strange to me. i don't know how he plans on

running government. he can't micromanage everything. you have to delegate to the best people, allegedly. but i think, look. this obviously was an opportunity for him, because it's "the new york times," you know, is not exactly his favorite publication. he calls it the failing "new york times." it's red meat to conservatives and republicans who are already suspicious of "the new york times" and their reporting on things. he looked at this and says, athat, this is "the new york times" trying to smear me once again. i agree again with gloria, i don't know that this will move needle. if you like donald trump, you find the good things, if you don't, you find the negative things. one thing that stuck out to me in that article was the anecdote about ivana trump and -- when they were out to dinner with his father, with fred trump, and she wasn't allowed to order her own food. and fred came in and said, you're going to have steak. she wanted fish, and said,

you're going to have steak. and donald trump stood up for her father, not her, in that exchange, which tells me a lot about how he was raised and how they view women in the relationship. >> was it a valuable article? >> i think there's a lot of good stuff in there for him. the negative stuff people already assumed to be honest. after calling megyn kelly a bimbo and talking about the way carly fiorina looked. people's expectations going into that article were pretty low. i think the stuff that people would not have known is actually the stuff i think that probably wants to get out. which is that although he has treated women in a pretty awful way, he's also valued women who do a good job. he has this idea that women were harder working than men. >> and promoted that at a time when his dad wouldn't have done it. >> so given the fact that worse stuff has come out publicly, and the fact that i think, as you were saying, tara. the fact that "the new york times" is going after him is probably a plus among

conservatives. i don't think the story is so bad for donald trump. >> and reading the story closely, it sort of was like youyou were in a time warp. it took me back to the '80s and '90s and the way women were treated in the workplace and the things men said or did. not just donald trump, but that's kind of the way it was. and on the other hand, you have donald trump promoting women to top positions. maybe sayi ining things like, o good woman is worth ten good man, but you read it and thought, he did promote these woman. >> coming up, the biker brawl that left nine people dead, 1 wounded 177 arrests were made. it happened a year ago. here's smo the surveillance footage. at top of the hour, cnn investigates wlapd at the shoot-out and what's happened since. a preview of the report, next.

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ed lavendera hosts the cnn special report. i'll speak with him in a moment. first, here's a preview. >> the bandidos and the cossacks. the fbi and police fear their increasingly violent feud is headed for all-out war. >> it was our intelligence that told us that they were headed this way and were trying to get some payback, whether it was against us or rival bike members. we don't know. >> reporter: dozens of police officers move quietly into place near the restaurant, twin peaks. >> officers of one of sheriff's office communicated to twin peaks that they were going to be having over 400 members at this meeting. >> reporter: it's a meeting of the confederation of clubs, where bikers gather to discuss and resolve issues. the cossacks are the first to arrive. they h they wanted a truce and believed it was an open meeting, says this cossacks driver, who

asked us to mask his identity. >> you were there to make peace? >> we were at a bar, at a restaurant, some of your guys are getting stupid and picking fights. let's see if we canened find a common ground so wr y'all leave us alone and believe y'all alone. >> reporter: police dash cams capture the scene as a line of bandidos bikers roll up. >> i was the first one to roll in there. >> reporter: including jake carazall, who was looking for a place to park. >> i see 50, 60, 70 cossacks there. it caught me off guard. as soon as i pulled up, i back and they were surrounding my bike. >> as the shouting match quickly escalates, you see carazall in the middle with a yellow helmet. he says a cossack threw the

first punch. >> we were hit so quick,in have time to take my gloves off or my helmet. fists are flying and then far worse. >> i heard a gunshot, so i hit the dirt. >> and then someone pulls a gun and pops off three rounds and then someone else pulled bun and someone else and suddenly gunfire coming from all different areas. >> i remember yelling for my dad, because i knew he was there somewhere. i've never been that scared in my life. >> ed lavendera joins us now. now, the two men we saw in the clip were charged with engaging in illegal activities. why is that the case? >> this is the controversial and sfpting part of all of this. it didn't matter if you were in the middle of a melee, pulled a gun, a trigger, or if you were hiding in the freezer of the twin peaks, everyone has been hit with the exact same criminal charge. and now in people kind of -- all of them are out of jail, all out on bond and still trying to figure out and make sense of it

all. many face up to life in prison if they're convicted on this felony charge. that is the big controversy, why was everyone hit with the exact same criminal charge if not everyone acted the same in the middle of that fight. >> and any sense when this actually may go to trial if it is going to go to trial? >> there hasn't been a single trial there in waco yet, and it's not exactly clear when that's going to happen. waco prosecutors say there's a gag order and they're not talking because of that. there are some lawyers we've spoken to, anderson, who believe that none of these cases will ever go to trial. that there's a supercreeding federal investigation, and that will be the ultimate test and the ultimate answer. >> ed lavendera, we'll be watching. thanks very much. we'll be right back.

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