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with governor kasich, you can see it on ac 360.com. inside biker brawl texas shootout starts right now. ♪ mayhem and murder. >> sound like a gun fight at the okay corral. bang, bang, bang one after another. >> went from having a couple of drinks to complete chaos. so fast. it was a complete nightmare. a nightmare in broad day light as a restaurant in texas become as battle field. >> i hear the shots going off, whizzing by me. >> the blood bath sparked by two rival biker clubs. >> they're not here to drink beer and eat barbecue. >> when the bullets stop flying,
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nine men dead, 177 arrested. >> it's ridiculous. i was in shock. >> how could this have possibly happened and could it mean an end to these out law gangs? you think these investigators are coming after you guys? cnn penetrates the world of dangerous biker clubs with exclusive access. tonight, biker brawl, inside the texas shootout. >> 911, state your emergency. >> announcer: it's a sunday afternoon in the small town of gordon, texas. >> i need the cops at truck stop, please. >> a member of the
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cosexmotorcycle club pumping gas is jumped by several bandidos. the rival bikers rip off his jacket and beat him with a hammer. so brutefully, say witnesses, that he almost loses an eye. >> he's bleeding really bad and he can barely stand up. the guys have ula r s havs have. >> announcer: to understand why the deadly shooting erupted in waco between the bandidos and cosex, you have to know what happened at this truck stop, and what makes these bike gangs different. >> these are people that are the worst of the worst, baddest of the bad. >> former atf agent investigated out law motorcycle gangs for years. he says these gangs have a violent repf for a reason. fl both are well documented as
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what we refer to as out law motorcycle organizations. not every member is an out law but there are members in the organizati organizati organizations. >> announcer: the majority of motorcycle clubs preach comradery, but in some clubs, there's a more sinister side. >> isthe has nothing to do with do gooders or choir boys. but it's not this great huge criminal enterprise that everybody thinks. >> announcer: and pete james would know. for 16 years he was president of the the nutorrious chicago out laws. on the street, he goes by "big pete." >> i can sum that up in one sentence. who are they? the bandidos are way too big to even deal with the cosecks.
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they can't hurt you, they pester you. the bandidos are one of the largest clubs in the world. they have chapters all over. they're a powerful club. >> 1 percenters like the bandidos believe the world that applies to 99% of us don't apply to them. one percenter biker clubs are considered out laws. these bikers hardly ever talk but we've managed to get exclusive access to the clubs involved in the waco shootout. the president lives in the rural neighborhood behind these trees and this iron gate. he's never allowed cameras inside until now. >> come here, you guys. you hungry? come on. >> announcer: so, it's interesting to come out here. this is real peaceful, real
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quiet and in a lot of ways your life is not real peaceful and quiet. >> not right now but it has been for a decade. >> referee: jeff pike has worn the bandidos vest for more than 35 years and been their national president for the last 10. >> the new bandidos are not the old bandidos. we get along with everybody except one. >> that's the one we're here about. >> correct. >> he's talking about the coss oir -- cossocs. you think of yourself as an out law? >> i haven't broken a law in decades. >> referee: but since the club formed in 1966, arrested for crimes from smuggling drugs to running prostitution rings to assault and murder.
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the club's founder donald chambers went to prison in 1972 for double murder. the four presidents after chambers were convicted for violence against rival bikers, federal and racketeering charges but pike says it's not like that anymore. ♪ investigators talk about the one percenters. what does that mean to you? >> not what it did 30 years ago. you didn't care about anybody. you didn't care about anybody else. contrary to popular belief, it doesn't mean you shun society and doesn't mean you're a criminal. >> and it's still on the patch today? >> it is. >> referee: a bandidos vest is a priced possession and tells the name. an acronym in biker speech for
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[ bleep] the world. they're ban deedo badges of honor and they're hard to learn. >> i got my patch in july of 1979. >> referee: prime real estate on a biker's vest is the rocker. this is where bandidos lay claim to their home state. >> for years the bandidos pretty much were the only ones that wore that. >> and it says texas. >> it says texas. but over the last decade there's dozens of clubs that wear a texas rocker and the cossacks asked for it it. >> by adding the texas patch to their vest. according to some in the biking world, it was a fatal error. >> they're trying to become one percenters and show the bandidos that we're equal to you.
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we take care of our own. would i take a bullet for my brother? i have. >> he's a die hard member of his motorcycle club. >> always been that way. it's family. someone needs a tire, someone needs some help with groceries, needs help with an electrical bill, do my best to help them out. >> referee: this is dean, he asked us to change his name and voice because dean is worried. he's a member of the cossacks, a texas biker club that claims around 200 members, mostly in small towns. the bandidos are described as the one percenters. >> we're not one percent club, don't want to be because that puts us in a totally different category. >> referee: they believe they don't have to follow the rules
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that apply to the other 1% of bikers. >> we are a motorcycle club. we're not a gang. we don't do drugs. we don't sell it, we don't make it, we don't intimidate people, we don't extort people. we rely on ourselves. >> referee: eating into the bandidos turf says the ex-president of the chicago out laws. >> the cossacks could have continued to do everything they wanted to do and flew under the radar. you don't have to take orders from the bandidos. just don't get in their way. >> i think there's a lot of residual hatred there. it's just an issue we've had for a while, it's been brewing, that we're not part of the coc. >> referee: or confederation of clubs are biker networks that exist in every state and discuss every couple months to discuss
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motorcycle issues. in texas the bandidos insist they run the coc and make the rules. >> you need to pay us dues. >> referee: so they wanted dues from you to the coc or them directly? >> the coc. it doesn't make sense why i'm going to pay someone to be able to ride my motorcycle in the state of texas. >> traditionally, they say it was only worn by bandidos. they say you got to take that texas bottom rocker off your patch? >> they didn't tell us we had to. it was more it would be better if you did. we said, you know what, we're texas based, we been around almost as long as you have, so
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we're going to put the texas vest on. >> we gave them the patch. they even thanked us on facebook. >> reporter: so, what is this issue between the bandido sdwhz cossacks all about? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: things went nuts in 2013 when escalated into full tlautihrott aggression. >> there were a couple of assaults, beatings, stabbings. >> reporter: in abilene, texas, a bloody knife fight sparked by cossacks wearing the texas bottom rocker, according to police. >> we're not going to tolerate gang fights in the restaurant parking lot in the middle of the day. >> reporter: a cossacks was
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charge would a stabbing and later exonerated. the brutal beating that truck stop when bandidos allegedly jumped a cossacks getting gas. and 150 miles away, retaliation, when they say 10 cossacks forced a bandido off the highway and beat him with chains and metal pikers. no one was arrested in these two incidents, but the fights were getting nasty. so nasty that state police issued a bulletin warning of esksilating tensions between the bandidos and the cossacks. >> if we see there's a rationing up on increase or expansion on violence and it's the same people in the same organizations, this tells us this is something we should be paying attention to. >> reporter: fbi agents had picked up intelligence that the bandidos were planning to go to war with the cossacks.
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you are under arrest. >> reporter: waco, texas. >> this stand off is over. >> reporter: 23 years ago, the scene of a violent show down between branch devidians and law enforcement. now, another confrontation is brewing. this time betweenbitter rivals, the bandidos and the cossacks. they fear the increasingly violent feud is headed for all out war. >> it was our intelligence which told us they were headed this way and trying to get pay back whether against us or rival bike members. >> reporter: dozens of police officers move quietly into place near the restaurant, twin peeks. >> one of the officers communicated that they were going to have over 400 members at this meeting. >> reporter: a meeting at the
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confederation of clubs where they nemeet to resolve issues. cossacks were first to arrive. strange, says the national president of the bandidos biker gang. he wasn't in waco that day, but his club runs the texas coc. >> they were not a member of the confederation club, they came on their own to do whatever they were there to do. >> they believed it was an open meeting says this cossacks biker who asked us to mask his identity. >> we went there to say let's stop this. every time we turn around, skblousome of your guys are getting stupid and picking fights. let's see if you can find a common ground where you'll leave us alone and we leave y'all alone. >> reporter: cossacks bikers are sipping beers and shooting the breeze seen here in surveillance
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video by cnn. outside the restaurant, police dash cams capture the scene in the parking lot as a line of bandidos bikers roll up. >> i was the first to pull in there. >> reporter: according to jake carazel, who wuz riding in with his dad and uncle and looking for a place to park. >> i see 50, 60, 70 cossacks there. it caught me off guard. they were surrounding my bike. >> reporter: john wilson, the president of the waco chapter, was standing on the patio with his son. >> i was watching. he deliberately steer under to one of our prospects and hit him. he wasn't going real fast but deliberately ran into the him with a motorcycle. >> reporter: he says not quite. >> i didn't run over anyone's foot. i think they come up with different scenarios to try to
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justify what happened. >> reporter: and what was that mission? >> i know without a doubt they were there to confront us. >> reporter: the person assigned to guard the cossacks bikes in the lot is caught in the middle. >> squabbling or what not about them blocking the bikes in. >> reporter: that's pierce talking to investigators. >> when that happened, everybody rushed over there from both clubs. it wasn't really a fight at that point. it was just some shouting back and forth, verbal altercation. >> reporter: as the shouting match quickly escalates, you see carazel in the middle. he says a cossacks threw the first punch. >> it happened so quick i didn't have time to take my gloves or
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helmet off. >> reporter: first fists flying, then far worse. >> i remember yelling for my dad because i knew he was there somewhere. i've never been that scared in my life. >> reporter: carazel is taken to the ground. he's in an all out brawl with several cossacks. he doesn't know it then but there's a biker emerging from the cay us pointing a gun and looking for a target. burt suddenly his head snaps back and he drops to the ground. >> i hear the shots going off, whizzing by me. i had guys all overme. i had one i had taken on the ground and i was using him to block me from the rest of them. >> reporter: he stumbles and looks for cover as another biker takes aim.
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>> you actually see four plumes of smoke come from him and he's pointed right at you. and then you fall to the ground. you didn't get hit? >> no. it looks like a cop may have taken him out. >> reporter: after he fired four times. >> wow. >> reporter: one biker brazenly runs across the patio, shooting wildly. terrified waitresses and customers run for cover. this twin peeks waitress didn't want to be seen on camera. >> screaming and take off running to the back. >> reporter: she and others reach a walk-in refrigerator and call for help. >> we actually had the racks in front of the door to barricade ourselves. >> it was a lot of carnage.
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>> reporter: did you get on the ground too? >> i didn't have a choice. i got shot. i seen the person that shot me. >> reporter: you did? >> i don't want to get into that right now. >> i remember seeing my dwhen he's covered in blood. he was shot in the back. they got the bullet out and he's doing all right. >> reporter: but dozens of rther lives are hanging in the balance. when we return, the unthinkable. watching your friend die right in front of you. >> he bled to death. i would have to thank proper medical attention and i could have saved his life. make a sta. make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪ the bud light party believes in change.
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cossacks, bandidos. angry, dangerous. and bitter enemies. months of rage and violence have led to this moment, an all out battle in the parking lots of a favorite biker hangout. hundreds of bullets have been fired as armed police officers are nearby watching. dozens are down. wounded or dead. and the bloody clash shows no
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signs of stopping. >> there would be a pause in the gun shots and then you'd hear a few more go off. >> reporter: seconds into the show down, surveillance video shows this biker running from the twin peeks patio covered in blood. >> it was pretty horrific. there were guys getting hit, falling and i realize that i needed to get away from where i was. >> reporter: biker john wilson did get away. you can see him here inside twin peeks ducking for cover. but this man seen in the red ban dannau was not as lucky. he hits another biker in the throat with what looks like a chain. they wrestled to the ground, then he's struck several times in the head. he's stomped on at least once and looks to get shot by a biker. the men he was fighting walk away. then another fight breaks out.
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look closely as the highlighted biker is shot in the leg during the skirmish. cossacks richard kirschner stumbles to the curb and collapses. when the area is secure, members of the cossacks carry him away for help. both bikers die at the scene. by now waco police s.w.a.t. officers armed with rifles are firing from the perimeter. >> the shooting at individual bikers from bikers turned towards us. our officers took fire and responded appropriately, responding fire. >> reporter: when the guns fell silent, the twin peeks parking lot was a blood path. pools of blood smeared everywhere, shell casings scattered across the ground. >> in my nearly 35 years of law enforcement experience, this is the most violent and gruesome
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scene i have dealt with. >> reporter: dead bikers on top of toppled harleys and others cling to life nearby, like kirschner. >> it turned out he was shot in the but ux and legs. i started asking the police to please bring the ambulance in. i was told the area wasn't secure yet. three of the dead were still alive 30 minutes afterwards. it was shocking and disturbing to me. >> reporter: so, you think there was a chance to save them? >> sure. we'll never know. but he bled to death. >> reporter: the waco police department declined our request for an interview and wouldn't comment on the timing of aid, siting a gag order. but former atf agent matt hors says the officers responded correctly. >> this is ultimately an active
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shooter situation because we don't know which one of the bad guys have guns. so we don't put our attention to the injured, often times, we put it towards the tlelhreats and t danger. >> reporter: police find weapons stuffed between bags of flour and tossed on the floor of the restaurant. eerily inside the bathroom, you can still hear the country music blaring as an investigator films the aftermath. blood spilling out on to the sink and floor. as the officer moves into the stalls, he discovers handguns tossed in the toilet. police discover a staggering 808 weapons, knives, brass knuckle said, chains, batons, hammers, even a machete and tomahawks. >> i think you can see by the number of weapons we've
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recovered, they didn't come to eat and have a good time with their family. >> reporter: buy night fall sunday, twin peeks is secure but the damage is done. 18 are wounded and nine bikers dead. >> the bodies have all been removed and sent away for forensics and autopsy results. >> reporter: when we return, the blood shed is over. for survivors, the nightmare has just begun. >> i had to post a bond to get out of here. it's unreal. ointy. so you evolve. you simplify. you haven't changed. you still help people live their best lives. and finally your new logo is ready, and you decide the perfect time to show the world is right... now. and you're talking to your doctor about your medication... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me go further. humira works for many adults.
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we had wounded inside. we had people stabbed. we had people shot and we had people beat. >> reporter: the carnage tells the story of one of the goriest tales in biker history. s.w.a.t. teams move inside twin
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peeks to round up the bikers. >> they were hollering at everybody to get down, hollering their commands, which we did. >> reporter: one of the first waco cops on the scene describes it liter in his police report. i asked anybody who had a gun to raise their hand. at the time it appeared that nearly everybody in the crowd raised their hand. >> they got us to put our hands on top of our head and walked us out of the building. >> reporter: you can see a parade of bikers and customers leaving the restaurant with their hands up. at last count, we have 170 individuals that we have arrested. >> reporter: the count grows to an unprecedented 177 bikers arrested.
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>> i believe it was 16 days. >> reporter: thecluding matt who says he took cover in the bathroom during the melee. >> reporte >> why would they feel the need to take over 170 people and put us behind bars just because we were there and riding a motorcycle. >> reporter: there were so many bikers arrested they had to bring them here to the waco convention center. they divided rival bikers into separate rooms where they were processed and held into the middle of the night. first, we were zip tied and stayed zip tied for 18 hours. what's tearing me up the most is not knowing what's happening with my wife. >> reporter: they say they went to twin peeks for a biker meeting and now they're being questioned in a massive criminal investigation. >> i couldn't understand in my
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head what did i do wrong? why were we being held like this? >> reporter: but waco police say few of these bikers were innocent bystanders. >> this is a criminal element that came in and killed people. they came with violence in mind. >> sort of weave our way through here, if we can. >> reporter: video and audio clips obtained by cnn capture the chaotic scene inside the convention center as police interrogate biker after biker. >> did you physically, yourself, see anybody shoot? >> no . >> you think anybody knew? >> i'm sure that they did. >> reporter: some bikers are belligerent, others, it seems, are in shock. >> i came in with kirschner.
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he's in the hospital at the moment. >> is he in a gang? >> apparently. yeah, could you tell me how he's doing? >> reporter: the story this biker tells is about his own son. >> reporter: and this man reach as boiling point. >> i don't have no. [ bleep] information. i don't understand why my phone is being confiscated when i didn't do nothing. >> reporter: a sea of mug shots are released. then bikers are taken to jail
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and slapped with $1 million bonds. >> a million dollar bond. everybody in the room, same thing. and everybody's just -- >> reporter: did you look around? >> it was silence. everybody was in shock. >> reporter: he spent more than two weeks locked up. >> ib had to post $100 thousand bond to get out of here. it's just outrageous. there are families suffering, businesses suffering. you know, it's just unreal. >> what happened in waco that day is absolutely the most unamerican thing that i have seen the criminal justice system participate in on american soil ever anywhere. >> reporter: defense attorney paul loony represents three of the arrested bikers. >> everybody in our country is entitled to be looked at individually as to whether or not there's probable cause to believe that they were involved in a crime before they're held in a jail. they didn't do that.
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but yet we're putting them through absolute hel anyway. >> the scene had to be secured. >> reporter: former atf agent says hel or not, this is how police needed to handle this incident. >> i think everyone has to understand that once gun fire erupt erupted, this became a crime scene and anyone who was on that scene became a potential part of the crime and if it's 20 or 1,000 people, we will take as long to insure our safety and the public safety. >> reporter: all the bikers are eventually released from jail but almost six months passed before anyone is indicted. >> we're not done. we still have a lot of work to do and we'll continue to do that. >> reporter: by march 2016, nearly a year after the massacre, 154 of the 177 bikers have been indicted by a waco grand jury on charges of
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engaging in organizing criminal activity. one of those indicted is cossacks williams. >> i think these families are being sacrificed for somebody's political gain. >> reporter: all, even those hiding in the bathroom, face life in prison. yoir theory of all of these indictments and cases? >> everything they have done has been seemingly peculiar. in fact, i've laughingly called it the book of waco. you've got to find a special book that only the waco people have. it. >> reporter: coming up, the war in waco rages on. what's next? who's to blame? do you think police over reacted that day? >> i think they underreacted.
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san antonio, texas. this is the epicenter of the fight against the bandidos.
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here federal agents from the do jer j and fbi have far more on their minds than what happened 200 miles away in waco. >> the san antonio federal prosecution, i believe, is going to be an effort to completely crush criminal behavior from motorcycle clubs. >> reporter: attorney paul loony represents three bikers arrested in waco. do you think they'll ever see a waco courtroom? >> no, not one. i think federal investigators took charge on the very first day. their goal is to maintain the status quo while the federal agencies complete their investigation in the ban diedo indictment out of san antonio. >> reporter: that was underway long before waco ever happened and likely has a different goal. loony believes the feds are really after the big guys who call the shots for the bandidos. did you know it was coming?
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>>. [ bleep] no i didn't know it wait was co. i been waiting that gate. >> reporter: the feds came for pike in a big way. torching their way through his gate in an early morning raid. they woke you up? >> yeah, they woke me up. somebody's here and i looked. i saw an army tank looking thing and i said baby, that would be the cops. >> reporter: it was a cavalry of around 20 federal agents. >> i guess i better get up. >> reporter: pike and other leaders were indicted including assault, extortion and murder. but no mention of the shootout in waco. pike pleaded not guilty and is out on bond awaiting trial. the indictment against you and the others says you guys are
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extortionests, thieves, murderers. >> who'd we kill? >> reporter: neither pike nor the two men indicted with him were in waco that fatal day when nine bikers were killed. either way, pike says, the bandidos didn't start it. did the bandidos declare war on the cossackss? >> they asked me that in the interview and i said how do you do that? it's an act of congress to declare war. i don't know what they're talking about. evidently, somebody said it, but it sure wasn't me. >> they were on a mission for something and it wasn't good. who shows up to twin peeks with batons, brass knuckles? >> reporter: bandido was in waco and in the middle of the brawl. you think they came there to ambush you that day? >> without a doubt.
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>> reporter: not so says dean, a cossacks biker who took a bullet that day. he asked us to hide his identity. >> reporter: dean says it was a bandido who fired the first shot. carozel says that's ridiculous. >> who would be that dumb to pull out a gun and shoot when you're surrounded by 50/60 guys. we were ambushed in a war zone. >> reporter: what did these guys die for? >> reporter: investigators continue to piece together how the melee began.
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the bandidos and the cossacks point fingers at each otherer but have come together over one thing. both clubs blame the police for escalating the violence and for killing some of their brothers. do you think police over reacted that day? >> i think they underreacted. they could have one uniform police officer standing on the sidewalk in front of that place and nothing would have happened. but they didn't do that. they promoted the confrontation. they got ready to film it, they sat in the shadows with their guns. >> why did you have an armored vehicle there if you weren't going to use the dam thing? >> reporter: and waco police sited a gag order. but former atf agent says there was litthle the cops could do. >> biker organizations have always fought with police and at
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the end of the day, more guns in the room don't necessarily make it safer and more police officers in the room when the shootout happens doesn't cause less death, it might cause more death. >> reporter: how many of the cossackss killed that day do you thing or believe were killed by law enforcement? >> reporter: full ballistic reports have not come back. but evidence from the autopsy and firearm analysis shows some of the dead bikers were hit by two .23 caliber ammunition, which is generally used by police for assault rifles. what's not clear is if police gun fire actually killed any bikers. >> they were carrying standard
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tactical weapons to be used in situations like that. that goes with the territory. some of their officers did hit a number of bikers. once it's escalated to a point where lethal force is justified, at that point, all bets are off. >> reporter: and all bets are off for the bikers indicted in waco. one year after the massacre, more than 150 of the 177 arrested bikers have been indicted. on charges of engaging in criminalized activity and could spend the rest of their lives in prison. but so far not one murder charge has been fired. both clubs, the bandidos and the cossacks say they're done fighting. >> i don't doubt there's going to be more problems down the road. >> reporter: lick their wounds, learn from it and be better from it. >> reporter: you still think you have a target on your back? >> i do. >> reporter: why is that?
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>> for some people this isn't over. >> reporter: is it worth it to remain a cossacks? >> yes, for the brother hood, them faally. we're a motorcycle club. we just want to be left alone, we want to ride and ride in t tex texas, that's where we're from. jeff pike, for the time being, says he's officially stepped down as el presidente of the bandidos. >> i have done nothing. i am very confident. >> reporter: and confident that charges won't keep him or the bandidos off the country's roadways. do you think they're using waco as a way to shut you down? >> that's impossible. you can't just wipe out a whole
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organization just because you don't like the way they look. they can try but i don't think it's going to happen. ♪ ♪ hello everybody. just around 10:00 here on the west coast. i'm in los angeles. this is cnn newsroom l.a. donald trump is now facing the type of media scrutiny typical for a presidential nominee and he's responding by going on the offensive. in particular, lashing out at the new york time squs and a re critical of his past behavior with women. >> reporter: donald trump is going to war with the media yet again. this time taking aim at the new york times for a front page story highlighting tales of

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