this is cnn breaking news. >> hello. i'm wolf blitzer. 1:00 p.m. here in new york. from around the world thanks for joining us. coming up later this hour the democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton will join our chris cuomo for a live interview. we will get her first response to the crash of egyptian airliner in the mediterranean

sea. let's get to the breaking news. the wreckage has been found, that's what egypt air's vice president is now telling cnn. the declaration comes 12 hours after egypt air flight 804 disappeared. >> our heart goes out for all the family members and friends of all involved in this terrible incident. as i can tell you now we have found the wreckage. we confirm that the wreckage has been found. and the search and rescue teams are now turning into search and recovery. >> important to note that he said search and recovery effort, no longer a rescue effort. that usually means no belief of survivors. the flight was headed from paris to cairo with 66 passengers and crew on board. the plane disappeared from radar shortly after entering egyptian air space.

shortly before that ground controllers were unable to communicate with the cockpit. their calls went unanswered. officials from the united states believe a bomb is the most likely cause of the crash. egyptian government believes it was a terror attack. if it is the work of terrorists this would be the third commercial flight intentionally down in the past two years. moments ago we heard this from the white house press secretary, josh earnest. >> it's too early to definitively say what may have caused this disaster. the investigation is underway to see if opportunity for united states to support efforts then we will do that. the president asked his team to keep him appraised of the developments. >> here is what else we know. the same egyptian officials said terrorism was the most probable cause and says there were no red flags raised over passengers for the plane. one passenger has been

identified, the director of proctor & gamble production site in france. a second victim from portugal identified. greek officials say the plane made wild and unexpected maneuvers first 90 degrees to the left and 360 degrees to the right and then dropped 27,000 feet from the 37,000 foot cruising altitude at 10,000 feet lost all contact. let's bring in chief international correspondent who is joining us right now. you just finished speaking to the vice president of egypt air where he told you that the wreckage has been found. update our viewers right now. what else did he tell you? >> well, he told me exactly where it had been found, about 150 nautical miles about 170 actual miles off the coast of egypt. it is around the interface of the greek egyptian air traffic control area. he would not go into anymore

details exactly how much is being found, what distinguishing characteristics but did say who found it. was it greek authorities or egyptian authorities? that news is going to be coming out as soon as we can give it out. he said that they would immediately start bringing up whatever they could in order to determine the cause of this, that he was sure they would find the voice recorders or the key elements of a plane that you need in order to find out what caused this disaster. he said that he knew nothing and would not talk about the notion of what the greek defense minceistry said in terms of a 90 degree turn in mid air and plummeting so many thousand feet before it crashed. he would not talk about that. he also said that he would release the passenger manifest would be released publically as soon as all next of kin had been informed and notified. he said that would happen. he predicted would happen by the end of this night.

so he assumed that the passenger manifest would be released post case. regarding the security of the plane when asked in detail what are the egypt air rules on security checks he said each and every flight stop the plane is checked by the cockpit crew, cabin crew, ground staff, additional security personnel as well as their maintenance crews. they have security check and maintenance check. he insisted that all of those be done in paris and of course in cairo before the flight took off. regarding the rest of the leg he said that was not applicable, that is what i understood from him because that happened 24 hours or more before the tunisia paris and then cairo leg had started. regarding passengers and crew on board, i said i have to ask you this because we have had

instances where plane pilots have been found to have caused the catastrophic disaster of various planes whether german wings, we don't know what happened to the malaysian air flight. some are blaming the pilot. in 1999 there was egypt air that crashed. he said i understand what you are asking me. he said i am a former captain. he told me this vice president himself was a former captain who had flown before with the captain of this plane. he said he had flown this captain before. he was his co-pilot in the past and that he was incredibly professional and experienced and that he was not prepared to even entertain the idea that this pilot might have been involved in any foul play. regarding foul play, he said he was not prepared to say that that was something that had happened. he said all cards are on the table, all possibilities are on

the table but wouldn't go there when i said the aviation administer in the press conference suggested that analysis suggests likelihood of terror attack and on the issue of technical fault he said this is a new plane for us. it's new and in terms of the lifetime of a plane which can fly some 20 years. this one was delivered and made in 2003 and he said that it was in good flight health and safety. >> did he say anything about the three security personnel who were on board that plane? were they air marshals in effect? >> he didn't say but when i asked him broadly about all the crew and would there be any possibility of any aspirations or suspicions he ruled that out totally. we know from flying planes in the middle east whether in jordan or egypt or other places,

i have certainly flown on planes, all planes i have flown on have had security personnel on board. as i said, they are going to be releasing the manifest. >> thank you very much. doing some exclusive reporting for us. appreciate it. our justice reporter is in washington. he also is getting new details on the u.s. intelligence assessments as far as flight 804 is concerned. is there anything specific leading officials to believe there might have been a bomb on board? >> there really isn't at this point. we do know we have new information told by security official that they have checked the names of the people on this plane, the manifest and they have come up empty as far as checking against watch list which many countries including europe and here in the united states have access to it. so far no one has turned up suspicions to links of terrorists based on checks of those watch lists. we are told that they found and

checked no threats, no known threats at this time towards this aircraft. we do know, however, that there is a heightened security concern not only in egypt with the rise of isis but also in western europe where we have seen multiple terrorist attacks in recent months and the very real concern of extremists who are trying to figure out ways to strike at what aviation and against western society. we have talked to officials who based on the circumstances that they are looking at believe that the most likely explanation for what happened to this flight is a terrorist attack and perhaps most likely a bombing because of the circumstances we are talking about. this is a fairly new aircraft, very modern aircraft. it is even difficult for you to

purposely ditch this aircraft. got a couple of flight crew in there who presumably would have been able to radio for help if somebody was trying to break in, perhaps if there was a hijacking attempt or if someone tried to ditch this plane on purpose which is why officials are focussing, going theory is that this is most likely a terrorist attack, possible bombing that would have brought down the aircraft. the immediate suspicion lies in who could have done that? the ground crew perhaps in paris, somebody with access to the aircraft could have slipped something in there that may not have been caught by security or somebody on the aircraft. these are very much mysteries that investigators are going to have to resolve including furthermore checks on the people who are on this aircraft. >> specifically, what is the u.s. role in trying to help aid this investigation? >> we know that the engines on this aircraft are u.s. made.

we expect that the ntsb is going to seek to join this investigation. they will likely be given the permission allowing u.s. representatives to join this investigation. this is still an egyptian investigation. it's their aircraft. it crashed in their air space. we expect that they will be the leaders of this investigation. we expect french authorities but very much as you imagine when you have something like this happen the u.s. intelligence community and law enforcement community is very much interested in knowing what could have happened, if there are lessons that we should learn, concerns perhaps at charles de gaulle airport that need to be addressed. all of these are on the minds of officials. >> there was u.s. concern expressed about security at charles de gaulle airport in paris. remind our viewers what the concern was all about. >> there were a number of personnel, people who worked at the airport who had security credentials revoked. in checking up on them they

found the officials found that they had perhaps links to islamist groups or extremists. their security credentuals were revoked and were no longer able to access secure areas of the airport. >> i want you to stand by. i want to dissect all of this more with an eye towards determination that it was most likely a terror attack that brought down egypt air flight 804. joining us here in new york a boeing 777 captain and contributing editor for flying magazine. former managing director of national transportation safety board and cnn terrorism analyst paul is with us, as well. peter, as they recover debris in the wreckage that we just heard the vice president of egypt air saying they found some of the wreckage, what are the initial indicators that they will be looking for that would give them early clues what happened?

obviously they want the so-called black boxes. >> the black boxes are most important. they need to get vessels into the area quickly to be able to try to pick up the pingers that are attached in the boxes to give locations. in terms of the wreckage on the surface that they will be able to pick up, what you look for to see is there fire? how did the pieces separate what it under stress? was it tearing? if they are very lucky -- this plane is probably and literally thousands of pieces by now having come down from 37,000 feet. they look for the tell tale signs of an explosion, outward facing holes, gas washing, pitting. these are indications that an explosive device went off inside that aircraft. but they may not get anything in

the first round of floating wreckage. this will be a longer term effort. >> if they prove the plane was intentionally downed by a bomb or some other method, it would be in the fourth such event in two years. that seems like a pretty serious number right now. does it surprise you? >> no, it does not. i mean, the islamic terrorists have had a fascination and a focus on international aviation. it has been unyielding. this is a struggle and a battle that the industry and government is going to have to face for the foreseeable future. >> paul, the plane was on its fifth leg, fifth flight of the day. earlier stops, paris, do any of these destinations stick out as a potential warning?

>> zero hard evidence at this moment that has been circulated that this is terrorism. this is just a theory right now. we have to remind all of our viewers this. but there are some concerns about some of the countries that this plane came through on its way to paris. the tunisia and also egypt, cairo, a of these places in the developing world. and the biggest vulnerability in the global aviation system has been the airports in the developing world have lagged behind in deploying state-of-the-art technology, in training people in airport security and also they don't have as rigorous protocols when it comes to workers at the airport. so there has been significant concern over the past year or so about threats in the developing world that somebody might be able to get a device on a plane in part of the developing world

and that plane perhaps with a timer would then go down in the developed world. we saw in february of this year the al qaeda affiliate al-shabaab was able to get a laptop bomb on a flight. it blew up and blew the bomber out of the plane and fortunately hadn't climbed to sufficient altitude to destroy the aircraft. everybody on board apart from the bomber was not killed. great concern when it comes to airport security. >> that is the developing world. the developed world, the plane originated at charles de gaulle airport. how many people routinely would have had access to that plane on the ground picking up passengers? how many people on the ground crew and others might have had access to potentially smuggle a bomb on board? >> as we can see all those

destinations, hundreds of people would have had access to the airplane, ground crew, cockpit crew and going to all of those places just you know if they were not screening people that could be an issue. i'm not ready to jump to conclusions just yet. i don't want to rule out mechanical. there are aspects that you can throw into the works. at the end of the day, how do you -- if somebody wanted to do something nefarrious all those countries it stopped in you must have knowledge of where this airplane would end up and how do you obtain that knowledge? do you know it through egypt air? that is a question people are going to be asking if this is a terrorist act. >> if they found that wreckage floating in the mediterranean as we just heard from thep vice president of egypt air who told

that presumably that won't take long to determine what caused the plane to simply collapse into the sea. >> it will take -- there will be a lot -- you have to find the floating debris, of course. then the passengers also are going to be able to tell you something relative to was this an explosive device. was it a depressurization. >> the remains. >> want to be precise. we will continue to stay on top of the breaking news. egypt air says wreckage of flight 804 has been found on the top of the mediterranean, floating on the mediterranean. we will go live to cairo coming up. an exclusive interview this hour with hillary clinton. she will join chris cuomo live this hour. thoughts on egypt and race for the white house. much more. stay with us.

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let'set's return to breakin news thrks crash of an egypt airplane over the mediterranean. our senior international correspondent joining us from cairo. egypt air says some wreckage has been found floating in the mediterranean. we learned there are life jackets. the egyptian government says it is most probably a terror attack. what evidence if any did they offer? >> reporter: they haven't really offered concrete evidence at this stage as to why they are leaning towards calling this a terrorist attack rather than a

technical failure. what is leading to that assumption, perhaps, is given that there was no distress call made by the pilots. it is highly unlikely at the height the plane was at before it began plummeting that any sort of technical failure would happen. plus these two pilots are fairly experienced. thousands of flight hours logged in between the two of them. posted on egypt air's site also is that the wreckage was found near a greek island. and they are saying that they are still launching a search and recovery operation to try to find presumably other parts of the plane which leads one to also assume that something at least caused it to come apart. now, the manifest lists are always very carefully

scrutinized, passengers names are cross-checked. egypt air saying they conduct very thorough checks especially of their personnel. in this particular case they had three security individuals on board as well. egypt like a lot of other countries given the realities we face is a country on high alert that has put extra security measures in place. wolf, briefly, the area that we are at, this is where earlier in the day the families had come to try to get some sort of information. some of them had been holding on to a slight glimmer of hope that perhaps their loved ones would have somehow survive or that the plane would miraculously reappear. that information that it has, in fact, most definitely at this stage gone from being an aircraft that was missing to one that has crashed is going to be

phenomenally difficult for them as they try to come to grips with this tremendous loss. a lot of questions at this stage. also, prior to this airplane taking off from paris in the last 24 hours, it had also made stops in tunisia. what we do understand from egypt air authorities is that at every stage along the way these planes are routinely checked. we do also know from the authorities that the plane itself was swept prior to taking off from paris. so if it was an act ovterrorism a lot of scrutiny and a lot of people as to how this may have happened. >> 66 people were on board flight 804 including two infants. the egypt air statement says passengers' family member have been informed. i need you to stand by in cairo.

we are staying on top of breaking news. if it was, in fact, a terror bomb that brought down egypt flight 804 how did it get on board? we will go live to paris for the latest on the investigation there. much more coming up. you pay your car insurance

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just a reminder coming up in a few minutes an exclusive interview with democratic presidential front runner hillary clinton talking about the race for the white house, bernie sanders, donald trump, today's breaking news, the loss of egypt air flight 804. chris cuomo standing by to interview hillary clinton live coming up later this hour. let's get back to breaking news. the vice president of egypt air says wreckage of the plane has been located and noted it is now a search and recovery mission which usually means no remaining hope of finding survivors. not a search and rescue operation. he said they would release more details coming up. if this is found to have been an act of terrorism it would be the fourth commercial plane intentionally downed in the past two years. joining us live from paris where the flight originated is atika shubert. charles de gaulle airport in paris where the flight started.

french investigators launched an investigation. tell us specifically what you are hearing from them. what are they looking into? >> reporter: well, the key link here is what personnel had access to the plane before it took off. they will be looking at ground crew, baggage handlers, catering, anybody who might have had access to the plane. they have already taken security steps in the wake of the terrorist attacks in november and the brussels attacks and specifically triple checked a number of personnel and actually removed about 70 personnel from both the charles de gaulle airport and took away security baggage and rescreened thousands of other employees. that was already the state of alert before the airplane went missing. now they are looking at the very specific people who might have had access to the plane. that is the first point of

investigation. the most critical clues will come from the wreckage. this is where the investigation will begin. >> what i hear you saying is they are questioning the people who had access to that egypt airplane before it took off from paris on its way to cairo? >> reporter: absolutely. they will be looking at records, interviewing people, seeing where they were, what they did. just to give you an idea what happens behind the scenes you know how you go through airport security not allowed to take liquids. same goes for employees that go into that secured area. they have their personal lockers searched. there is a lot of extra security that goes on here behind the scenes just to give you a sense of how tight the security is here. >> i'm sure there is video that they are looking at to see who may have had access to that plane at the same time. we will get back to you for more reaction from the egyptian government i want to bring back our panel once again here in new

york boeing 777 captain, contributing editor. former managing director of national transportation safety board. joining us from brussels cnn terrorism analyst. how big -- let's say this was a bomb. we have no idea but the suspicion is it could have been a bomb placed on the plane, to destroy a plane and force a plane to explode very quickly how big of a bomb would that have to be? how do you get a bomb like that on a plane? >> well, wolf, not big at all. in fact, isis in sinai claim the bomb that took down the russian jet last year was no bigger than a soda can. you can get powerful explosives into a small container and can have the power to bring down a plane at high altitude because

of the pressure differentials. in terms of getting a bomb on to a plane it's become much more difficult for terrorists because state-of-the-art technology is really quite good at detecting explosives. but the worry is that the terrorists are always innovative and trying to come up with a method to get past airport security. we have seen that from al qaeda in yemen. new generations of shoe bombs, underwear devices and experim t experimenting the group with trying to implant bombs into human beings according to recent intelligence. al qaeda leading the way with the research when it comes to trying to beat airport security. what terrorist groups are looking to do is to recruit airport insiders like we saw with the sharm el sheikh attack to help them try to get a bomb on a plane. that was also the case for that attack on a somali airliner in february of this year when a

bomb went off on board that plane, a sophisticated laptop bomb was used by al qaeda in that case. there is a arm's race going on between the terrorists on the one side and people working in explosives to trace detection on the other sides. >> we know that small soda can sized bomb that blew up the metro jet, the russian plane that took off from sharm el sheikh heading towards russia killed 224 people last year. peter, this is a sensitive issue. i know you have been very personally involved in investigating egypt air going back to '99 when the egypt airplane crashed off of nantucket here in the united states. you concluded as ntsb investigator it was pilot suicide but to this day the egyptians don't accept that, right? >> that's correct. they did not accept our

conclusion that the co-pilot had deliberately flew that plane into the ocean. >> which raises the question, peter, how confident are you if egypt is leading this investigation we get a full picture of what happened? >> i have been very impressed over the past 24 hours about how forthcoming the egyptians have been on this investigation. they were the first out of the gate to even mention the term terrorism. their statement by the vice president of egypt air was forth coming. the prime minister was forthcoming. i think they are taking a much different approach to this event than they did to egypt air in 1999. >> how confident are you we will find out fairly soon what happened? >> i share peter's thoughts. the egyptians in '99, it went

against all facts that the ntsb has. i think there are parties to the investigation that should make it more of a democracy from the standpoint of following standards for accident investigation. am i confident that egypt air will come out with that? they seem to be pointing the blame at terrorism because it doesn't direct at themselves at this point in time. but let's see where the investigation goes at this point in time. let's pick up the wreckage and see what is there. >> based on the fact that the plane made a left turn and then a right turn, 360 degrees and then from 37,000 feet and went right into the mediterranean, what does that indicate to you? >> my gut feeling is that the crew was not in control of that aircraft. that is my gut feel. were they attempting to get control of the aircraft? possibly. it says the air bus is designed to prevent, for instance, a bank angle more than 35 degrees. it won't let it unless you

disable part of the system. it is curious why that would be happening in addition to the altitude drop. it's very curious to me. >> what does it say to you the timing of this incident if it was some sort of terror incident? what does it say to you about why now? >> well, it would be because they are ready to go. they had a plan and a device that they can get on board aircrafts in some kind of way. aviation is the holy grail for terrorist groups because it gets you in the global headlines and has a huge economic impact. france and egypt are both in the cross hairs of terrorist groups but i have to say there has been no claim of responsibility at all from any terrorist group and no credible claim or responsibility. isis has put out all sorts of other statements and other

operations in syria where they see deafening silence when it comes to the attack. the same applies to al qaeda. this is terrorism i would expect that to change rather quickly right now, nothing at all. >> right now no one has claimed responsibility. how unusual is that? sometimes they wait a day or two or three before they claim responsibility. and it raises the possibility if you can quickly answer that of some sort of lone wolf may have been responsible. go ahead. >> well, in the past we have seen them take quite a long time to get claims of responsibility out. we are now living in the twitter age, the social media age, terrorist groups have plenty of access to these online social media sites. they can get a claim out pretty quickly. it may come out later today. we don't know. we are obviously monitoring all of that very closely indeed.

this kind of tactic to get a bomb on to a plane you are looking at more organized terrorist group than lone wolf. we have not seen lone wolves being able to manage this kind of attack when it comes to aviation. >> everyone stand by. also coming up we are standing by to hear from the democratic presidential front runner hillary clinton. she is going to weigh in on the egypt air disaster, donald trump, the race for the white house, her exclusive interview with our own chris cuomo will air live coming up within the next few minutes, as well. cancer... we don't want to think about it. but i had to. because, you see i was traveling, i was enjoying life, i was working... it was too long since my last pap. when i was finally tested, we thought i might have cervical cancer. after worrying - no cancer. i was lucky. women... please get a pap test to check for cervical cancer. and get the inside knowledge about gynecologic cancers.

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turning now to the presidential race. chris cuomo is about to interview hillary clinton, a live one-on-one interview exclusive here. the former secretary of state is only 88 delegates away from clinching the democratic presidential nomination if you include the superdelegates. senator bernie sanders made it clear he is by no means giving up the fight. does bernie sanders hurt hillary clinton by staying in the race? what about the very serious divide within the democratic party right now? let's go live to chicago. chris cuomo is standing by. >> wolf, you are outlining the right issues. let's get the questions together and see if we can get answers. secretary clinton, good to have you, as always. you have come home and yet the problems of the world are upon us once again. we see in the headlines egypt air. they are finding debris in greek waters. greek authorities, egyptian

authorities all saying that they believe this was terror as much as anything else. if that is the theory, it is a reminder to people not just the loss of these families but somehow the loss in the battle against terror. what is your message and what do you believe the response should be to make something like this less likely? >> well, chris, it does appear that it was an act of terrorism, exactly how, of course, the investigation will have to determine. but once again shines a very bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups. isis, of course, but then there are other networks of terrorists that have to be hunted down and defeated. and i think it reinforces the need for american leadership, for the kind of smart steady leadership that only america can provide, working with our allies, partners, friends in europe, middle east and elsewhere because we have to

have a concerted effort that brings to bear both domestic resources, sharing of intelligence, take a hard look at airport security one more time, whatever needs to be done must be done. the world depends on air travel. we can't allow it to be interrupted or people be intimidated and to continue to take the fight although it needs to be more intensified against isis from where it is running its operations in syria and iraq. so we have to really go along with the kind of plan that i have been outlining for months which is we will defeat them on the ground using our air power, equipping and training and supporting fighters. we will drive them out of iraq, drive them out of their stronghold in syria. we are going to intensify cooperation among those nations that have a direct stake which i would argue is just about every

nation right now. we will take them on online and we are going to intensify our intelligence and law enforcement cooperation. >> the criticism is that the obama administration with you as a part of it and when you were not a part of it has been making this case. the world seems to be getting worse. it seems that the threat is greater than our ability to defend, protect and respond to it. do you believe that things are worse now than they were seven, eight years ago? >> i think we have to take a historic view of this. we have been able to defeat in large measure al qaeda which was our principle adversary responsible for the worst terrorist attack on our shores and terrible ones in europe. we have to deal with the threats as they come. i think we have learned a lot more and we are really grappling with and i think succeeding at

making it more difficult for them to operate from their strongholds. what we have do do is look at the people of europe and went to syria or iraq or are in turkey or somewhere else connected to isis or one of other terrorist networks that are part of the overall threat. we have to work more closely and we have to really convince forcefully the europeans that they have to do much more, as well. when i was secretary of state, we were in a constant dialogue with the europeans because we wanted information about travel manifests for airlines across the ocean toward us. it took a while. we finally got it. they have a lot of concerns about privacy and other legitimate issues. but right now, we are in an environment where we have to put everything we can toward the goal of defeating isis,

protecting ourselves, our friends and our partners. >> how do you fight the perception that we look weak? trump this morning was out hot and early on twitter when this happened saying looks like another act of terror. more proof we're weak. we have to be strong and there's hate and anger out there. he's channelling the perception a situation like this fuels which are we are weak. the russians, the chinese, scare the military when they want and america does nothing. how do you answer that? >> well, first of all, he says a lot of things. he says that lot of things that are provocative, that actually make the important task of building the coalition, bringing everybody to the table and defeating terrorism more difficult. >> why? >> well, for example, when he says bar all muslims from coming to the united states, that sends a signal to majority muslim nations, many of whom we have to work with to defeat terrorism, some of whom are already among

the strongest allies in this fight. it sends a message of disrespect and it sends a message that makes situation inside those countries more difficult for them to go all in the way we need them to go all in. >> to the americans that message rez natds with, where they say, well, these attackers always seem to be muslim and coming in here and comey in charge of vetting them says he can't vet them. trump calls for a temporary ban. seems to make sense to people. does it make sense to you? >> no, not at all. let's remember what he called for and sort of break it up. he said all muslims should be barred from coming in the united states. all muslims. nobel bell prize winners, entertainers, sports stars. new mayor of london. when confronted with the new may why are of london and the first muslim elected to be may why are of london by the people of london he said i'll make an

exception for him. it's provocative and wrong-headed. and look what he's done just in the last week. he has attacked our closest ally great britain. he has praised the reckless d k dictator in north korea and said we should pull out of nato, strongest military alliance. he's advocated for more countries have nuclear weapons. this kind of unpredictable dangerous rhetoric and the policies thrown out there for whatever hope he has to get people to respond to him make us less like that we're going to be as effective as we need to be going forward in assauging the americans of people that we have been effective in beginning to kill off the leadership of isis, to go after their funding

sources, to make it very clear that we're going to keep training the iraqi army. they have taken back ramadi. we'll support them to take back every part of the territory, most importantly mosul that isis has seized. so we are making progress. our biggest concern and i think if this turns out to be an act of terror, with a flight coming from paris, our biggest concern is what's going on in europe? and that is something that we do have to address and deal with with all of our partners and that's going to require even closer cooperation. >> let me ask you. do you think that donald trump is qualified to be president? >> no. i do not. and i think in this past week whether it's attacking great britain, praising the leader of north korea, a despotic dictator who has nuclear weapons, whether

it is saying pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear weapons, the kinds of positions he is stating and the consequences of those positions and even the consequences of his statements are snot junot just dangerous -- >> politicians talk, madame secretary. they say things and then get in office people believe nothing will be that different. >> well, when you run for president of the united states, the entire world is listening and watching. so when you say, we're going to bar all muslims, you are sending a message to the muslim world and you're also sending a message to the terrorists because we now do have evidence, we have seen how donald trump is being used to essentially be a recruiter for more people to join the cause of terrorism. so, i think if you go through

many of his irresponsible, reckless, dangerous comments, it's not just somebody saying something off the cuff. we all misstate things and may not be as careful phrasing what we say. this is a pattern, a pattern going on now for months. and it's a pattern that adds up in my opinion having watched presidents, having seen the incredibly difficult work that they do and the decisions that they have to make, the thinking that goes in sitting in the situation room, do we go after bin laden or not? i was part of that. was it a clear, easy choice? of course not. did it have to be carefully parsed and analyzed and then we gave our opinions and up to the president to decide. i know how hard this job is. and i know that we need steadiness as well as strength and smarts in it. and i have concluded he's not

qualified to be president of the united states. >> you don't think donald trump could make that call in that room whether or not to go after bin laden? >> based on what we know now, he could make it perhaps on evidence that wasn't clear, he could say a lot of things that might have given notice. i mean, you just based on the way he has behaved and spoken and the policies she has literally thrown out there, i think it adds up to a very troubling picture. >> you get into the general election. if you're the nominee for your party. >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that's already done in effect. there's no way i won't be. >> there's a senator of vermont who has a different take on this. >> well -- >> he says he'll fight to the end. seems to be a change here as donald trump is trying to galvanize his party and the democratic party seems to be going the other way. supporters have become more aggressive. feeling that the system is rigged against the senator.

we saw what happened in nevada. when you saw that, did you believe that sanders responded the right way to that situation? >> well, i was very distusrbed went on there. >> with him or the supporters? >> what we saw there. >> the supporters? >> what we saw is disturbing. i have every confidence we're going to be unified. i understand -- >> where's that confidence come? >> in part my own experience. i went all the way to the end against then senator obama. i won nine out of the last 12 contests back in '08. i won indiana, kentucky, west virginia. so i know the intense feelings that arise, particularly among your supporters as you go toward the end. but we both were following the same rules just as both senator sanders and i are following the same rules and i'm 3 million votes ahead of him and i have an insurmountable lead in pledge delegates and i'm confident that

just as i did with senator obama, where i said, you know what? it was really close. much closer. much closer than it is between me and senator sanders right now. >> votes-wise? >> yeah. vote-wise and delegate-wise. i said, in fact, if you -- depending on how you evaluate, i had more popular votes and fewer delegates. the name of the game is the delegates you have. right? when i came out and withdrew and endorsed senator obama, about 40% according to polls, about 40% of my supporters said they would never support him. so i worked really hard to make the case as i'm sure senator sanders will that whatever differences we might have, they pale in comparison to the presumptive nominee of the republican party, name and issue you care about, domestic or international, and we are

closer, senator sanders supporters and mine, than either of us is with donald trump. >> why don't you reach directly to senator sanders and do the work of reunification of the party, however you want to see it? i ask this because senator sanders said to me in the past and to many others, it is not my job to get my supporters to vote for hillary clinton. clinton has to make the case and given what you are seeing with the increase of hostility and antagonism on the democratic side, should you reach out to bernie sanders and say, let's start doing this the right way? let me start talking to the supporters. >> i've said many times what i've just said to everyone including his supporters. i am absolutely committed to doing my part, more than my part. but senator sanders has to do his part. that's why the lesson of 2008 which was a hard-fought primary as you remember,s