least the nra feels comfortable with him, enough to throw their support behind him, to encourage their members to support him. and officials here said that it's time to get on board with trump. >> very important endorsement for him, indeed. sara murray reporting. thanks very much. that's it for me. erin burnett "outfront" start right now. "outfront" next, the breaking news. smoke detected on board egyptair 804 moments before the plane disappeared from radar. was it from a bomb or mechanical failure? plows investigators interview the ground crew who worked on the plane just before takeoff. how many people had hands on access? and a real estate titan and reality tv star tells us what she really thinks about the man she has known for decades. barbara corcoran of "shark tank" talks donald trump. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking

news. new details about the moments before egyptair flight 804 disappeared from radar. cnn is learning there was smoke on board the plane in the three minutes before it fell from the sky. on board sensors detecting smoke in one of plane's bathrooms, and in the avionics bay that houses crucial flight controls. also just in to cnn, investigators interviewing the ground crew that serviced flight 804 before it took off to paris. we know it was on the tarmac for about 90 minutes before taking off for cairo. this as debris and body parts from the plane are being found at sea. it's a horrific scene, and two days after disappearing from radar, no terror group has claimed responsibility for the mysterious crash. tonight, a massive hunt by sea and air for the plane itself and its black boxes. the plane is in waters as deep as 10,000 feet. we begin our coverage with ian lee out front tonight in cairo. ian, a lot of significant new clues this evening.

>> reporter: that's right, erin. a lot of these clues coming from the a cars, that's its aircraft communications addressing and reporting system, which monitors the sensors aboard the aircraft. and if verified, it gives us a window into the final moments of the plane before it crashed. new evidence tonight revealing what may have caused egyptair flight 804 to nose dive 37,000 feet into the mediterranean sea. real-time data seat belt from the plane shows smoke was detected in one of the plane's bathrooms at 2:26 a.m. that's just one minute before air traffic controllers tried to reach the pilots with no response. at the same time, smoke detected in the plane's avionics bay where critical electronics are stored. final, at 2:29 problems with the a-320's flight controls. greek civil aviation officials say 2:29 is also when the plane

disappeared from radar. still unclear, whether the plane was brought down by mechanical failure, or an act of terror. but a bomb remains the leading theory among u.s. officials. even though no one has claimed responsibility. this, as airplane debris, passenger seats, luggage and body parts all found floating in the mediterranean. this satellite image taken over the search area 180 miles north of the port city of alexandra, captures an oil slick, more than a mile long, possibly from the egyptair plane. nearly 48 hours after the airbus went missing, there's still no sign of the plane's black boxes. flight data and cockpit voice recorders, crucial to the investigation. investigators are also looking into the crew's background. pilot mohamed sa yesterday was 36 years old, 2,000 at the

controls of an airbus 320. his co pilot, assem, had 2,800 flying hours, the airline said. with no bodies recovered -- egyptians gathered at mosques across the country to offer prayers for the lost. the co pilot's uncle broke down as he remembered the 24-year-old who was about to get married. >> he's absolutely very kind person. you will never see a guy his age in his humanity and sense of humor. i would say he was the only one that was really drawing smiles on our faces. so -- >> reporter: it was heartbreaking out there at that mosque, talking to these family members, remembering their loved ones. but there was also some frustration, erin. like you and i, they want to know exactly what happened. what caused this plane to go down. the main theories right now are

mechanical or terrorism. and talking to some of the family members, they are starting to come to the reality that their loved ones are dead. for them, though, right now, they want to make sure their bodies are recovered so they can give them a proper burial. >> ian lee, thank you very much. "outfront" now, bob baer, former cia operative, tim clementi, cnn aviation analyst, david gallo who co led in finding, and aviation correspondent, richard que quest. let me start with you, les, these alerts. three minutes before the plane vanishes from radar. smoke in the cockpit. smoke in the bathroom. anti ice window sliding woimd sensor, and as i said, smoke in the bathroom. what do those mean when you get those alerts coming in? what's the significance? >> my gut feel right off the bat, erin, is that there was a

fire source in the electronics bay. and all the other -- all the other data that came from the acars. and i'm always skeptical about this stuff, where does this source come from. let's assume it's correct. now it started -- the fire started to go after certain electronic equipment. and the acars that that batch data was showing all that -- that stuff that was failing. and if that fire was going through flight control systems, you're in a fly-by-wire airplane and you're losing flight control systems. >> and then the plane, of course, starts to swerve. so dramatically. >> if the crew can't control it, correct. >> richard quest, the order -- these alerts started three minutes before the plane vanishes. smoke in the bathroom and then over the next two minutes, you get more things. fixed window sensor is one of them. issues with the flight control system. and avionics smoke. so you've got smoke in the bathroom first then, avionic

smoke, fixed window sensor. what does that tell you about how this event, for lack of a better word at this point, transpir transpired? >> erin, i need you to think of this as a cascading series of events. what happens, whatever causes the fire, however the fire has begun, creates an incident. the fire then starts to affect other systems on the aircraft. and you get the warning. the warning, for example, about the window sensor. the fire then creates an incident with the smoke in the bathroom, for example. and you get a warning. and the avionics warning. but in all cases, erin, it's a cascading series of events that is getting ever worse, and taking the care craft into ever more peril. this is what we saw with valujet over the everglades many years ago. it's what we saw with swiss air. and so, erin, we don't know the

cause of this. but we are most definitely getting extremely important pieces of the jigsaw that now gives us the location of the incident. the likely reason why they couldn't communicate. >> and so, you know, tim -- as richard points out, and les, you know have a location. that location appears to be the front of the plane. the bathroom right mind the cockpit and the cockpit itself in some cascading order. when you put those pieces together, these alerts together, what do you think? >> well, i think there is certainly a possibility, erin, that it was a malfunction with some of the systems on the plane that may have started a fire. you think of twa 800, a similar event happened off the coast of long island. with the -- one of the fuel tanks ask a spark igniting the gases in that tank. in this situation, we cannot rule out terrorism yet. because this is -- you look at the two targets. france and egyptair. both have been targets of recent

terror attacks. so unless you're just coming out of a coma or living in a cave the last couple years, it's not much of a stretch to think this might be a terrorist act. the fact there may have an smoke alarms going off, is an indication that possibly something -- richard reed, when he was trying to light his shoes on fire, the underwear bomber. trying to ignite an ied in their underwear or in their shoes, had to use some form of a flame to start that. which may set off an alarm. the fact that it's happening right behind the cockpit could indicate that there was a conflagration rather than a debt nation of an ied. something of a low explosive or rather than a high explosive. >> and, of course, something that someone could have gone into the bathroom to assemble, bob baer. >> you can do it in the bathroom. but the fact that the avionics bay picked up smoke, that could be from a fuse, for instance. black powder fuse. you know, if that thing had been butt in the cockpit or somewhere on the airplane, you would first smell powder.

if you have ever done these before. you can see them. the fuses start -- start the powder. frankly, i've never heard of an airplane, you know catching fire and going down so quickly for a small fire. but i may be wrong about that. again, i agree. france, egypt, you know, it starts -- i still weigh this on the side of terrorism. but when we get that black box, we'll know for sure. >> and david, when we get that black box, being the big question. the flight data recorder, the cockpit voice recorder. they could be 10,000 feet below the surface. >> absolutely. >> you were in charge of air france 447. they took two years to find that off the coast of brazil at the same depth. so we may not get these answers. >> it's going to be slow-going. any time you have to work beneath the sea, nothing happens very quickly. so just assembling the right tools, the right team, the right ship to begin the search for these objects is going to take some time. >> and they at this point even have a fuselage. they don't even have a plane. they some debris floating in the

surface. there is no plane. >> you need to find -- backtrack all of the floating objects to x marks the spot on the surface. and then that becomes the center of a haystack and hopefully somewhere in the center of the haystack is the bits of the needle. >> les, as a pilot, one thing i think people have is a question here. there's three minutes that go by these warnings coming out. some of these warnings could have been sent as the plane was disintegrating. we don't know the exact time line of warning to plane falling apart. what we do know, there is was no may day call. they never said anything about help. does that stand out as strange to you if there were three minutes they would have said nothing? >> not at all. and richard pointed it out. at one point. our job is communicate, navigate. we have learned that's from day one. so when we have a situation that starts setting off warnings, we have to assess the situation. that's the first thing we're going to do. we're not going to communicate to anybody, because we're the ones that have to solve the problem. and then we're going to start going to our checklist. and once we go to our checklist,

they have specific instructions on what we can do. and there will be multiple things, multiple warnings going on. and by the way, with reference to the smoke detected in the lavatory, it may have been the forward lavatory, because the e & e compartment was on fire -- >> the electronics -- >> yes, i'm sorry, the electronics bay was sending smoke into the lavatory. >> we don't know if there was smoke in the bathroom it could have started in the bathroom. it's unclear. all right. we'll be back with all of you in just a moment. dozens of people had direct access to this flight. to flight 804 before it took off from paris. obviously, a crucial area of inquiry. a former cia director today says it's like liang inside job. was it? wait until you see how many people touched the plane. plus, investigators looking at the debris from flight 804. they don't have a plane yet. they have some debris. you're seeing here. what are they learning from this? and new details tonight about the people on board. our special report, ahead. pet moments are beautiful,

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plane. just how many of them could have literally physically touched this plane, been on board? >> well, we know at the time it disappeared there should have been two people in the cockpit. there were five crew members back in the cabin. there were three security people. we marked them here in red. and there should have 56 passengers on board at that time. you're talking about the airport here. let's take this plane and sweep it back in time to charles de gaulle airport and sitting at the gate and talk about the ground crews. people who had access to the immediate area around this plane. so who are we talking about? well, there is the ground maintenance crew. the people who basically bring the plane in. guide it to position. they put shocks on the wheels, hook up fuel lines. then the luggage handlers, people putting luggage on and off the plane. what about clean-up crews who have to go on board and handle things. or caterers placing food and beverages on the plane. and then gate agents. people who have to sort out

tickets and make sure people get in seats where they. to be. you put all those together and very easily get to 35 people who would have absolutely direct hands-on contact inside the plane, around the plane. touching the plane, erin. >> all right. so 35, which is a -- that's a big number to begin with, as you're starting. but at least it's manageable, i suppose, in some sense. but beyond that, direct contact. anyone who has access to restricted areas, who could have gotten on that plane, that isn't in that technical group you're talking about. how many people does that include? >> well, it's not expanded that much. just a little bit. what if you just say, what about the plane next to it, and what about the plane up here. we've all been on planes and see crews moving back and forth. right away, you could easily triple this number. you could easily go over 100 people that are in easy contact distance wit the plane. and then what about if you expand it to the whole airport, as you mentioned a minute ago, erin. all of the people who have badges to go into restricted

areas here. then this number goes off the charts. 86,000. and that's not counting all of the people they had contact with that day, erin. you know, one of the things we are were curious about. this was a big number compared to los angeles international airport here where it's only about 48,000 people who have that kind of access. but we were curious. what if you looked at every airport in the united states. all the people out there who have badges that let them go into some sort of restricted area. how many people are you talking about? interestingly enough, just last year, homeland security gave us a number. 3.7 million people, erin. that is a lot of folks to keep track of. >> that is a stunning number. and that is badges in the united states, people with access to the secure areas of our airports. tom foreman, thank you very much. my panel back with me, also joining me now, art rodrick, law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of investigations. let me start with you. let's start with the news tonight. they are now questioning people with direct access to that

plane. people on ground. you heard tom say that's 35, if you look at planes even nearby. you quickly get to 100. so we don't know the exact number they are directly questioning but we know they are questioning them. the former cia director says this is an inside job. do you agree? >> it certainly sounds like it, if it comes down it was an incendiary device or bomb. we still don't know yet. it could be a mechanical failure. the key part is the individuals that had contact with that aircraft. and i think that is weakness that we have to look at here in the u.s. when you're talking 3.7 million people, that work at these airports that have access to aircraft, and you look at background investigations and how they are conducted, a simple skingel scope background investigation could just mean they run the criminal history of the individual. all the way up to a clearance that i had for 25 years which was a top secret sci clearance, which is a very detailed investigative background. >> right. >> having said that, once you get that badge, when do they get

reinvestigated, even tore a top secr secret clearance. >> one thing we have learned with a 3.7 million americans with this top security clearance, just last summer, tim, we learned at least 73 of them, just in this country, at one point in time, 73 of them were on a terror watch list. now, that's a pretty stunning thing. >> that should tell you something, erin. and i think we probably have -- i would imagine, the most stringent standards when it comes to evaluating people before they get a clearance to be on an airport tarmac or anywhere close to the sensitive areas of an airport. and i -- i'm not so sure we could say the same thing in tunisia, in egypt, and in the other countries that that aircraft was in prior to landing in paris and prior to departing for cairo. >> that's right. a report on that in a moment. just the places it went. i mean, richard quest, in this airport alone, in charles de gaulle, which as you know has been -- terrorists have said they wanted to target.

we know last fall that had been a goal of theirs. more than 80 workers lost sclurt clearances at that time at paris charles de gaulle. they lost their security clearances but kept jobs. when you hear that, you sort of say, wait a minute. is that possible? i mean, how can that be that that's a solution at an airport that's supposedly operating at its highest possible alert level? >> well, hang on a second, erin. in this case what happened, the 85 lost their high security clearance. because either they had believed to have been radicalized or they had islamist sympathies or believed to be in some shape or form. but we don't know the standard upon which they used. and in any case, there had to be an independent tribunal and judge authority before they were able to lose their cleernlss. we're not talking here about people out and out members of al qaeda or isis. we're talking here about people who the security forces felt

had -- if you like, were too sympathetic to an islamic cause. now the issue, of course, is what are you going to do? are you going to fire them? in which case you're arguably saying where is my freedom of speech? i happen to agree with whatever it is. are we going to fire them? no, what the french did was basically say, all right, you keep your job. but you're not getting near an aircraft. you're not going into a secure area. i think it's a veriy area that they have to deal with. and that you're talking about 85 people. another 600 people, erin, lost their security clearances, because of petty crime. so these vast numbers or these large numbers, and tens of thousands of people. but it's a tricky area. >> bob baer? >> well, i mean, we had worker at minneapolis airport that would join the islamic state. and richard is right. you don't know what's going on in these people's mind. but let's go back to the

mechanics of a bomb. you can just take a couple ounces and put it on the skin of an airplane, that means you know, something the size basically a key fob with a magnet and a debt naturer. and put it on the avionics bay and you can bring it down and it's really difficult to detect. or if that plane had stopped for instance in tunis and somebody got in the bathroom, and, you know, put something in the wall, very small -- >> set it on a timer. >> which would have a zipper effect. or you can detonate these by cell phone, if they're within their range. and there's so many ways for these people to do it. and all you've got to do is have access to that plane, even as a passenger in an airport that's not particularly well-monitored. and you can take down an airplane like egyptair. so i don't know where they're going to start with -- you know, charles de gaulle airport is in san de knee where the islamic state people were operating out of the nova tack. so the french are a nightmare in

front of them in trying to vet these people. >> and, of course, a terrifying act if this were to happen, if they have the ability to do that on a plane coming out of charles de gaulle, it changes the world for all of us. thank you all very much. we'll all be back in a moment. the egyptair debris pulled from the mediterranean tonight. the plane itself, the fuselage, the body is still missing. we're going to go inside a bomb lab to see whether they'll be able to find out exactly what happened on board without the full fuselage. and we're learning so much more about the people, the tragedy of the people who lost their lives. we have a special report. if you've gone to extremes to escape your nasal allergies. try clarispray. new, from the makers of claritin. with the #1 prescribed ingredient. and nothing is more effective at relieving your sneezing, runny nose and nasal congestion. return to the world with clarispray.

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breaking news on the crash of egyptair flight 804. tonight we learn the airbus a-320 was on the ground in paris for 91 minutes before the flight. it arrived at 9:50 p.m. and took off again at 11:21 p.m. headed for cairo. atika shubert is "outfront." what happened during those 91 minutes? >> reporter: well, this is a pretty typical time for a plane, you know, for a turn-around. basically, as soon as those

passengers disembark, they have to begin that turn-around process. that means everything from cleaning the plane, refueling it, to servicing it. what we know for sure, from airport authorities, is that that plane was -- did have a screening team that went through it. that means they looked for anything that might have been left behind, any suspicious objects on the plane. nothing was flagged up, and the plane was cleared to go. now, everybody who had contact with that plane from baggage handlers to caterers are being interviewed by investigators to find out if there was anything suspicious. one extra thing to add, like many planes like this, this was not the only flight of the day. in fact, it started much earlier in the morning, at air traya and traveled to tunis back and forth to cairo before it got to paris. so the other legs are things that investigators have to look at to find out if there is any possible weak spots in the security. >> all right, atika.

thank you very much. and obviously, different points as she points out. eritr eritrea, tunis, and two days before, had been in other cities, including brussels as they track this down. flight 804 sent automated messages of smoke in the booth room. tonight u.s. officials are working on the theory a bomb was to blame. what kind of bomb? kyung lais "outfront." >> reporter: investigators will inspect for more evidence of a possible explosive device. >> if we compare the sides, there is a -- there's a difference. there's a very distinct differen difference. >> reporter: former security manager, thomas an though says investigators look for telltale marks of each type of bomb. >> c-4 is very adaptable for the purpose of the terrorists, because it can be formed into shapes. >> reporter: c-4 doesn't burn. >> it does not burn. it releases its high temperature, and high pressure

gases through shock. look at the edges here. the edges on the black powder are very, very different. they have this sort of like almost coral-like look to them. this is napalm. look at all of the residue of the napalm that was left behind. that's something that -- that is indicative and characteristic of the napalm. >> reporter: are there countless numbers of explosives? >> there are dozens of types of explosives. in the view of the terrorist, a terrorist is likely to follow up a success with a char form of attack. >> reporter: last october, metro jet flight 9268 crashed over the sinai peninsula, killing all 224 aboard. isis claimed in a propaganda magazine they brought it down. using explosive material hidden in a soda can. the picture shows wires and a debt naturer with an on and off switch. cnn cannot independently verify

the authenticity of the photo. as relatives of the passengers wait through the agonizing search and recovery, the victims' bodies will also hold forensic clues. if it was an sloef, the direction of the blast and what type. but this recovery will be under water, like the air asia flight 85 8501 disaster in december 2014, potentially eroding some evidence but not all of it. a lab can detect melted seal. it's critical to have forensic proof in an aviation investigation. but just as important, the investigation beyond the wreckage. >> not what happened only. but how it happened so that that vulnerability can identified and fixed. >> reporter: it is important to say there is no conclusive evidence yet that this was a bomb.

this is occurring leading theory by u.s. intelligence officials because of when it happened. that it was during a safe part of the flight and how rapidly this happened. erin, they believe that much of this will lie within those fragments of the plane. erin? >> kyung lah thank you. and now peter goals joins us with art rodrick and david ga o gallo. peter, they have found seats, luggage, they have found human remains. they do not have the fuselage, the main part of this plane. from what they have, when you think about seats and luggage, will they -- what will they be able to figure out? >> well, i doubt if they're going to be able to figure out much debafinitively. the stuff that's floating may be tainted with some degree of explosive material. it may show some blast damage. but most likely, it will not. we're going to need the full fuselage. and most importantly, when a plane -- if there is an explosion on a plane, the first

material blown out of the plane is the most important from an investigative standpoint. that tells you where it is. and they're going to have to look further up the flight line to see if there are any parts of the plane further up. it's going to be a very challenging investigation, and as david has mentioned and will mention, it is awfully difficult to find things in the bottom of the ocean quickly. >> all right. and this is -- he says the most important parts blown out first. you have a plane traveling, breaking up. it all then goes under water. in other bomb situations, whether it be lockerbie or metro jet, these were on ground. >> right. >> they were able -- in lockerbie, really able to eventually find the exact location. >> sure. >> that may not be possible here? >> no, it's very possible. we have got new technology that allows you to do a very detailed map over wide area. so the trick is to identify where that haystack is and then begin mapping until you find the wreck site. and then you go into another mode, which is to document.

they're using high-resolution cameras. and with air france, for instance, i think we took owe 85,000 photos. so you can present the forensic team with a very detailed photographic map of the wreck site. and then they can use that to direct even more high-resolution studies of that wreck. so they can use higher resolution video or stills to examine various parts of the plane. >> so you think it's possible even with this being a 10,000 feet and at this point they don't have the plane but they will find the plane. >> the engineering is such if the forensic team asks certain questions that the team can produce those answers for them. >> art, what the significance of the fact no one has yet claimed responsibility? >> as we have seen in the past, sometimes it might take two or three days. i mean, al qaeda is very much like that where they don't claim right away. see how everything is working out. but that is a pretty good indicator. i think by monday night, tuesday, if we haven't heard anything yet, then that's going to be a very interesting twist on this whole incident.

>> and peter, what's your bottom line guess as to what you think happened here, whether it was a bomb or a technical malfunction? >> well, if we believe what we've gotten out of the acars data that something started, you know, in the forward part of the plane, in the engineering bay, or in that forward lavatory, my guess is, it is still some sort of terrorist device. because whatever happened happened very quickly. >> all right. thank you all very much. "outfront" next, a geologist, a photographer, a young man just engaged. what we are learning about the people on board flight 804. and my exclusive interview with real estate giant and "shark tank" star, barbara corcoran, a woman who has known donald trump for decades. her surprising answer to this question. >> who do you actually think will win? >> oh, who will win? i'm terrible at golf.

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and the breaking news, a massive search underway at this hour. they are looking for egyptair 804, for the plane itself. meanwhile, we are learning more about the 66 people on board

that flight. a french photographer heading for a red sea vacation. a teacher of meditation and healing. they are just two of the 66 people who lost their lives. miguel marquez is "outfront." >> reporter: the crushing reality setting in. their loved ones gone. >> translator: we were at a press conference. they said nothing. some people just collapsed, then left. >> reporter: at cairo's mosque, a special friday prayer for the victims of flight 804. a painful gathering of friends and family, devastated. an uncle of the plane's co pilot, mohamed assem. >> he was about to get married. he is really in a relationship. and he just introduced me to his -- >> reporter: ten crew members,

56 passengers, 2 of them infants. all looking forward to reunions and new adventures. in a disorienting turn today, their loved ones in shock. inconsolable this mother of three, posted this on facebook. she was a devoted and loving mother, always there to offer a helping hand with a pure smile. richard, a geologist from wales, working in egypt. the 40-year-old leaves behind two infant daughters. >> he was just, you know, a very admirable person. i think a lot of people admired him for his strength and values. >> reporter: pascal, an independent photographer from france, almost didn't make the flight. he lost his passport the week before the trip. he was 51 years old. ahmed was headed to egypt to visit his sick father. the 40-year-old director of a project tar and gamble facility in france was said to be always

smiling. the family of, the head flight attendant says she was just starting a new life. >> translator: she was a newly wed who got married six or seven months ago. i asked god for the flight to be hijacked instead of what we have been told. we have hope. with debris from the plane now being found, hope overtaken by grief. and now comes that painstaking task of locating the plane, finding the bodies, recovering them, and then doing the dna analysis to match them with their family members so they can be reunited. these families have a long, hard road ahead. >> miguel, thank you. and "outfront" next, a woman who has gone head-to-head with donald trump. >> he was my best advocate when i was on his side and supporting him. if you ever differ with him, he was your worst nightmare. >> my exclusive interview with

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my next guest is one of the biggest names in real estate. a successful entrepreneur and star of a hit tv show. but one of the only differences

between her and donald trump is she is a woman. >> mickey, i want to say something. you've got to give up this crying stuff. okay. >> the minute a woman cries, you're giving away your power. you have to cry privately. >> well, i think it takes a lot of strength to show this type of vulnerability. >> no. >> i understand what you mean. >> not in business. i feel very badly saying this to you. but i as a matter of principle don't invest in rich kids' businesses. >> barbara corcoran, the sharp-witted star of "shark tan as a real estate mega star well before you became a reality tv star, you have known donald trump for decades in the world of new york real estate. what do you think of him in that capacity? >> i don't think donald changed one inch since the day i met him. i met him in my mid-20s, so was he. he was starting new in the business as way.

we came up through the ranks together. he was my best advocate, when i was on his side and supporting him. if you ever differ with him, he was your worst nightmare. he hasn't changed in the technique he has used from the beginning of time to this day to get notoriety, to play the press, and to be exactly who he is. he hasn't changed a bit. it is remarkable to me. >> remarkable to you. do you see him as the hugely successful business man that he is portraying himself as to the country, to voters? >> i think he is a hugely successful business man because of his enormous ability to put out an image and have everybody fall for it. he is great at recovery and getting everyone to believe he is back on top. he is a magician in that regard. >> so are you saying he gets people to believe something that's not true, that there is no man behind the curtain, the emperor has no clothes or he is able to recover and deliver the goods. >> there's always a mini man

behind the curtain, but the overexaggeration and claims that are made are about 100 times taller than that little man behind the curtain so to speak. >> so would he make a good president? >> i don't think so at all. when i heard he was running for president first time, now again the second time, i actually thought it was a joke. i have to say there are traits that have to be part of any great leader that just don't exist. fairness, fair play, no bullying, no name calling. creating consensus with a population with great diversity, not making people divided and hating each other. not appealing to the worst base note in a human being, and he does all those things particularly well, yet he is looking for the biggest leadership in america. >> so clearly how you feel about him. one thing that's interesting about you and him is the issue

of women. you are incredibly successful in what is a man's world talking real estate. donald trump has come under incredible criticism for this. you recently came under fire for a tweet you made which you later deleted, i find running a business in a man's world to be a huge advantage, i wear bright colors, yank up my skirt and get attention. what did you mean by that. >> i'll tell you what i mean, i stand by it. i have been in the business world 40 years, but a successful brand in business and doing it again through many entrepreneurs. every advantage you have, you have to play in business to stay apart from the pack. when i went in, it was a man's world, i was not noticed, talked to. i would wear like a man's suit. the minute i realized wear a bright red suit, roll up my skirts, show the asset i have, not the greatest face but great legs. i walked in, everybody wanted to know who i was. nothing wrong whether male or

female, this isn't a sexual thing, this is playing up whatever advantage you have to stand apart from the pack. that's business common sense. i endorse it for anyone to use it. >> is this something that you think someone like donald trump could agree with, he is coming under criticism for beauty package environmengeants and co beauty. >> it is a different situation. i have been there many times, you're in a business situation and someone is making a physical reference to your beauty or something about you or your lack of beauty. it is inappropriate. it is a sex card and not appropriate in any situation. vastly different. >> so the issue of women is very important in this election because of -- >> it is going to be the main -- >> hillary clinton is a woman. donald trump has said and bill clinton, his infidelity is fair game. he attacked hillary clinton for

the way she handled it. >> hillary was an enabler and treated these woman horribly, just remember this. and some of those women were destroyed not by him but by the way hillary clinton treated them after everything went down. >> is it fair to call her an enabler? >> it is so unfair. that is so insulting. when i heard that, i wanted to throw something at my tv honestly. i was livid hearing that. who would treat a woman that would treat the person that slept with your husband lovely, no one would. >> are you going to vote for her? >> i tell you what hillary clinton has, she's at least presidential. she has dignity, she is not a street dirty fighter. she has credentials to be president of the united states, and she's a woman of great

accomplishment. i have to say that somehow is lost in the media jungle. these are very important traits. she's also kind. kind is a most underestimated virtue in any leader and it is very important. >> you said a lot of things negative about him but also said positive things about him. a lot of people honed in on positive things you said. you've given him credit for his ability to win people over to his side. >> he is a salesman. >> you talked about how he got people to buy a piece of property from hong kong, never even seen it. >> remarkable. >> he has skills. >> he is probably one of the most powerful, effective salespeople i have ever met in my life. but the down side, tail end, you can't count on it. whatever he is saying you can bet your life on the fact he will probably not come through, and that's a tremendous characteristic sorely needed in a president.

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thank you so much for joining us, have a great weekend. see you back here monday. ac 360 with john berman starts right now. good evening, john berman here in for anderson. we begin with breaking news in the crash of egyptair flight 804. smoke warnings and computerized cries of a sick and dying airliner. messages from the automated data link, called acar. ordinarily they're routine. in this case, they're dying. each spells failure, in the lek tal window heater, sensor failure, smoke in the lavatory. smoke in avionics. and most ominously, trouble in the flight control computers that keep airbuses lying. we will talk about equipment failure and sabotage to some bo