figure. >> wow. >> he feels like sanders feels like it's his destiny to lead the democratic party and this is his last chance to do so. when you. you the it in those sort of grand terms, i think it looks a little different. >> let's get to that then. if that's his mind-set and you're hillary clinton and just told cnn that interview showed you earlier with chris cuomo he'll come around, it will be fine, bernie sanders will get it. she said i understand this, i went through it in 2008. senator sappeders is on "state of the union" at the top of the hour. he did another interview, democrats still have time to pick him over clinton. >> we need a campaign, an election coming up which does not have two candidates who are strongly disliked. i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. i want the american people to be voting for a vision of economic justice, of social justice, of environmental justice, of racial justice. >> says he's in the campaign to make our democracy better and he

has issues about super delegates, campaign finance and the like. let's look at the tale of the tape in the democratic race so far. she has 1775 pledged delegates, he has 1485. she has 522 super delegates, he has 42. she's won 27 contests, he's won 21. so by lower case "d" democracy she's winning. >> she is winning. important for us to all say that even as we watch emboldenned bernie sanders who is feeling his oats now. our polling in 2008 versus now, more democrats back in 2008 who were supporting hillary clinton said they would not support barack obama in the fall, than today sanders supporters say would not support hillary clinton. these wounds are healable. the difference is that some of the bernie folks i think are much more radicalized than clinton supporters were in '08 and it could be tough. the clinton strategy is not

complicated. it's two words, donald trump. you hold that up and look you don't love hillary, this is a national crisis that we're facing. i think that's going to be what they say. >> if you listen to the full interview with chris cuomo on cnn the other day, good cop/bad cop. she was clear i've been there and understand the emotions of the supporters. i understand it's hard and she said i take senator sanders at his word when he says over my dead body donald trump but she also said something if you're a sanders supporter you're not going to like and that would be this. >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is already done in effect. there is no way that i won't be. >> they don't want to give bernie anything. >> the sense of inevitability, the sense we don't have to let the process play itself out. interesting about 2008 hillary played an active role getting reluctant supporters on board, handing out buttons "hillary sent me" going to obama rallies.

i'm still with her but i'll be on board with him. bernie if he's not going to be the nominee and going to want to stop donald trump he needs to play a role. >> but to understand, if you're senator sanders the last thing you want to say now is that the math is inevitable because if you can't be the noment know and he keeps saying he thinks he has a narrow chance and it's a flight chance but i still have a chance and he does but his other goal is the more delegates he has at the convention the more influence he has at the platform. if you say now it's over, then how do you expect to win new jersey, california? >> they're looking at the platform committee, the credentialing committee, the rules committee, the three big committees and figuring out if they can get their people on there. for democrats the worry is sanders fueling this idea of it isn't if hillary clinton gets the nomination, but is it a legitimate nomination, is it a rigged process and conspiracy

theories n theories not many but a few bernies supporters interest sk in. >> you've been reading my twitter feed. >> yes. >> the past it's interesting a number of members mostly in the united states senate say it's time for bernie to dial it back. they don't say drop out. but they want him to dial back the rhetoric. i want to note for the record the senators also happen to support hillary clinton so forgive me there's a little bit of mixed message here. to those who say that bernie is over the top i remind people we've made a point about 2008. hillary clinton at this exact point in 2008 when it was pretty clear president obama was going to win in the delegate race, super delegates were shifting toward president obama unlike senator sanders at this stage in the race, hillary clinton was still kind of tough. >> this is nowhere near over. none of us is going to have the number of delegates we're going to need to get to the nomination. >> there is that he frantic effort to push her out because she's winning the general

election today, and he's not. i've never seen anything like it. i've never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running. >> look at the electoral map. it is clear, i am the stronger candidate against john mccain. >> wow. >> been there, done that? >> eerily familiar. >> the same case. >> i can beat him in the fall and my opponent will lose. >> she did have more voters, it was closer in terms of the pl g pledged delegates as well. debbie wasserman schultz was making the same argument back then for hlary clinton. >> you knew that what hillary did after that is the key and what we think bernie may have trouble doing over the next couple months. >> "a" what does he want? is that the big question if it he's not the nominee what does he want, an independent movement or a democratic movement? does he want to stay outside the process or come into the fold and hillary clinton's democratic

party and be a force and compete maybe with elizabeth warren. >> pledges on personnel, that is the test, will she promise he's not going to appoint the ruben summers type to the white house. can he extract real hard and fast to him on personnel. >> bernie sanders on the money. all right, everybody sit tight. little more to go. early spending by a hillary clinton super pack speaks volumes. to severe rheumatoid ar, and you're talking to your doctor about your medication... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me go further. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. doctors have been prescribing humira for over 13 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections,

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twice. what is the calculation? if you're the democrats you want to keep donald trump from turning this, this, and this, because if he did, just turn those four donald trump would be the next president of the united states, not hillary clinton or bernie sanders. the pro-clinton super pack thinks defending the states is part of defending the obama coalition. the owe fuss of the new ads women using donald trump's own words. >> you know you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her, wherever. does she have a good body, no. does she have a fas ass absolutely. er. who is flat chested is very hard to be a ten. >> and you can tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves. >> does donald trump really speak for you? >> that go bleep themselves every fact checker has taken it grossly out of contest. they haven't changed the ad yet, that's taken grossly out of context but to the general point

they think the gender gap and reinforcing trump's own words what he said about women is the key to defending that map. if we can defend the obama coalition we can win >> good luck. one of the problems is that trump if you look at some of these polls it's early, yada yada yada but he's doing exceptionally well among men so it balances out the usual gender advantage that democrats have had for decades. one of the things about that ad it is about women and temperament, the tag line does he speak for us, sort of is asking is this the way we think a president should speak? i think you know, so i think it has two purposes, one of which about women. the other about temperament. >> spending this early they learned a lesson. 17 republicans stood around thinking donald trump is going to implode and the 17 republicans are watching. the other 16 republicans are watching donald trump prepare for his convention. the other part you can poll then you run the ads an you poll again and testing your messages in may to see if it's working

and moving the numbers. if it doesn't you move on to something else. >> it's important for hillary clinton to do this, she's tied up in wrapping up the primary. the last two or three weeks talking to women, suburban white fwh women in states like virginia and north carolina and ohio, and even among women who voted for romney in 2012 there is a lot of reluctance about signing up to vote for donald trump. they worry about him across a range of issues. this you think about this election in terms of margins, barack obama won 41% of white women. if clinton can hold obama's margins with minorities a couple more percentage points among white women that makes is difficult for him to win. >> we talked about guns and commander in chief test at the top of the show, different positions on a host of issues but we've also seen early on these personal characteristics brought into the campaign including the clinton campaign thinks by far they have an

advantage among women to the point where donald trump puts out one of his best assets his daughter goes on cbs to deal in part with the "new york times" story looked at the history of donald trump dealing with women. listen to ivanka trump. >> i'm not in every interaction my father has but he's not a groper and i've known my father obviously my whole life and he has total respect for women. he was promoting women in development in construction at a time when it was unheard of. there was no trend towards equality in the real estate and construction industry back in the 1980s, and he was doing it, because he believes ultimately in merit. >> anyone recall we had obviously hillary clinton had to come to bill clinton's defense in 1929 when there were personal character questions about him. i don't remember a candidate's child going on television to do something like that. >> and saying my father is not a groper. sort of striking the point at which his campaign is right now. to your point earlier, none of

the candidates in the republican primary really went after trump in a focused way. i think one other thing you may see from the clinton campaign is his business record which didn't come under much scrutiny in the republican campaign. marco rubio tried it for a while on the conman argument and that seemed to be successful before he went into his, the size of his hands and things like that. >> this is part of the challenge the clinton folks have, i use the metaphor of leeseal ball in the chocolate factory, they're coming off the conveyor belt so fast. comments about women, minorities, or the business litany or cnn this week had a report of the fact he was hoping for a housing crash. what do you do? what do you target? if you focus on everything you focus on nothing. >> that's part of the challenge. >> you had that from the clinton side. those of you after the show go on youtube and find lucy and

ethyl at the chocolate factory. he has his point there. he said he's going to go after aggressively her e-mail. he thinks bill clinton and bill clinton's character is fair game. both have a list. is it throwing things at the wall or is this the spring and they will refine it? >> if they're running a smart campaign you'll start to refine your message particularly the democratic side but hillary clinton in this election is so well-known and has such a chunk of the american electorate that really doesn't like her as she refines her message on trump she has to refine a proactive message for herself. that is hugely important. she's struggled for months. >> that's where the democrats are worried i think and republicans see trump as somebody who can morph into something else and hillary clinton really struggles with that and sort of the opinions on her are baked in already. they're hard to change. >> trump is strength and change. what is hillary clinton? >> that's what they have to figure out and who is doing the attacking. are they going to outsource a

lot of the negative stuff to superpac superpacks so she takes the high road on policy and leaves the more negative attacks. >> unless trump's numbers among women and non-whites improve it will be hard. reporters share from their notebooks. first here are the results from our "inside politics" quiz we asked do you believe presidential candidates should release their taxes? the majority of you see it right there, pretty overwhelming ma jart say yes.

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let's head around the "inside politics" table and ask our great reporters to get you out ahead of political news around the corner. julie pace? >> president obama is eager to get out on the campaign trail but democrats are itching for another obama to get out there, michelle obama. she's been traditionally a

reluctant campaigner but an effective one particularly with african-americans and young women, another group that hasn't rallied around hillary clinton. democrats were organizing the convention in july, in a big splashy appearance in rhyme time and starting to see some interest having michelle obama hit the fund-raising circuit for women running for senate seats so maybe after this campaign she can finally go and be done with campaigning like she said she wants to be. >> she says or we'll see if she gets the bug. you never know. jonathan? >> hillary clinton has never dealt with a candidate like donald trump, few have, and starting to show. i think ir'going to see more democrats calling for her to toughen and sharpen her message against donald trump. there was a reaction among some people last week in the democratic politics when she said trump wasn't qualified to be president. that was supposed to be tough ander th and they're saying it has to be more than that. you can't just say he's not qualified. you have to go much more aggressive.

this is unconventional warfare and you can't line up traditional infantry and artillery fighting a guerrilla war. >> and early polls why democrats are nervous. >> exactly. >> matt? >> two key political metrics, first ad spending. the rnc announced about $150 million on a digital ad buy trying to sort of go with hispanics and women, two demographics they need and donald trump in particular. if the primary taught us anything the political ads didn't really impact it. otherwise we'd be talking about jeb bush right now and we're not. the other thing is hillary clinton has about ten times more staffers than donald trump does right now. again, in the primary, that didn't matter for trump so i think the key thing to watch going forward is whether as he shifts from the primary to the general are these sort of key things we typically look at to figure out who is winning, who is losing, are they going to matter? can donald trump still win with

sort of a swift boat going up against hillary clinton's aircraft carrier. >> new rules. nia? >> ben carson who in some ways has been very unpredictable surrogate for donald trump and some people say very unhelpful as well, he was on the vp committee, then he was off, then he was on. he floated some names for possible vp short lists that the donald trump campaign had to walk back. seems like he's found his natural fit, reaching out to evangelical leaders for donald trump with the eventual hope of not only they come on board but a meeting will happen in the next couple of weeks, these are people who by and large at the grassroots level voted for donald trump but the leadership was very much behind ted cruz, people like gary bauer, tony perkins, people like vander plan t tz in iowa. the simple picture it's trump versus hillary but he turned to the bible sometimes god uses men

who are sinners to do his greatest work, so that is the kind of pitch -- >> still a message. >> still a mixed message so there you have it. >> as always ben carson is interesting communication strategy. we'll keep on eye on that one. it is very early but leading gop strategists are encouraged by new research they say shows the automatic trump drag they expected perhaps in races critical to the fight to maintain the republican senate majority does not exist. after reviewing the polling and other research results the chamber of xlers announced this past week it's launching major ad buys in ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin announced publicly. ad time was purchased in arizona and nevada. five feature republican inkem bents vulnerable. those know the democrats plan to tie the gop candidates to controversial trump positions but they're encouraged by the new research which shows no automatic immediate trump drag. these gop forces view the period

from now until the republican convention in july is critical to defining these races and they're prepared to spend millions to help. that's it for "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning. see you soon. "state of the union" with jake tapper up next. it's t-mobile! only t-mobile's lets you stream video and music - for free! and we doubled our lte coverage in the last year. the other guys can't say that! we got you covered.

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bitter battle. >> i will be the nominee for my party. that is already done >> hillary clinton says bernie sanders needs to face facts as the democratic primary gets ugly. >> i say to the leadership of the democratic party, open the doors. let the people in. >> is sanders willing to "bern" down the party to get what he wants? senator bernie sanders will be here in minutes. plus donald trump tries to calm conservatives. >> i will not let you down. remember that. i will not let you down. >> reporter: but there's a new anti-trump ticket. can it work? we'll ask one of the candidates. and "inside