was dropped on hiroshima, korpgt the federation of american scientists. in total, there were an estimated 15,350 nuclear weapons in the world as of early this year. the federation estimates down from a cold war peak of around 70,300 30 years ago. thanks to all of youing if before part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." this hour, megyn kelly and donald trump making peace, but critics wanted war. we're going to analyze what happened between the two of them. plus, the battle of the billionaires. trump called out by jeff bezos. later, you've got to check out what former white house press secretary ari fleisher says about trump's communication style and the journalists who are downright horrified by it.

but first, this question. at a time when this country feels so divided, so conflicted, so polarized, how much blame should be laid at the feet of the media? we might be able to tell the whole story of this presidential election year through a single graphic, this one. this is from this morning's "washington post" abc poll, and it's getting a lot of attention. look at the favorable ratings for clinton and trump. more importantly, look at the unfavorables. 57% of americans, according to this poll, finding both of the likely nominees to be unfavorable. the post says that never in the history of the poll have the two major party nominees been viewed as harshly as clinton and trump. nearly 6 in 10 registered voters say they have negative impressions of both major candidates. now, some of this is obviously due to mud slinging and trash talking and truly wounded candidates, but it's not all about them. it's partly about us, the public. it's about our distrust of

institutions. it's about our tendency more and more to spend time online with people only who agree with us. it's about our ability to find stories that feed into our beliefs about how evil the other side is. so i want to ask this question. how much responsibility do news outlets have to try to change this? let's bring in john avalon, cnn political analyst and daily beast editor in chief. and jane hall, professor at american university and coral bernstein. thank you, all, for being here. john, let me start with you with this brand new poll. it's the latest in a series of polls that show the same thing. historically, negative ratings. what do you think the media's blame is when it comes to these polls? >> the media has a lot to blame for the current atmosphere of polarization and hyperpartisanship. this has been going on for decades, though. this is just the apotheosis of the ugly. >> so it's just getting worse and worse and worse. >> absolutely.

look, we've had demagogues run for office before. we haven't had them necessarily capture a major party nomination. what's different is the rise of partisan media over a long period of time. that's contributed to distrust in institutions, distrust in med media, and further enflamed the public. media has a lot to answer for. >> we see these poll rankings. jane, let me go to you on this. at the same time, the evidence is that people hate these candidates, a lot of people. we all seem to be watching this election. is it that we're hate watching this election the same way i hate watch reality shows? what is going on here? >> well, i think several things are going on. fox news has been after hillary clinton, and the lates will be that she's going to take away your guns, which is what trump said. there has been a very negative, very polarized atmosphere in congress as well as in the media, and hand in hand, they've created, i think, an atmosphere of polarization. trump is going after hillary.

hillary, you know, the media have fatigue about hillary clinton. polling continuously about whether she's trustworthy has added to the feeling she's untrustworthy. that's almost like push polling. >> interesting. carl, let me ask you about the historical perspective on all of this. do you think things are at a sort of -- i would say right now a valley, a new low in terms of people's confidence in politicians and that's what we're seeing in these negative rankings for these candidates? >> it's much deeper than that, and it has to do with the two individuals particularly and their lives and their actions. more importantly, what we're seeing is here is the worst reporting, i think, of a political campaign of the past 50 years. meanwhile, especially in television, we have the best analysis and debate. but in terms of real original reporting about these candidates, it's been atrocious.

particularly in the three networks and on cable television because it's been virtually nonexistent in terms of going deep. we've had no documentaries about any of the candidates. election primaries are over. >> don't the negatives show that people are well informed about them and that's why they don't like trump and clinton? >> no, look, we've had polarization in our politicins going on 35 years now. what we now have had two candidates who are hugely well known, plus bernie sanders who's not that well known. at the same time, on television we have not delved deeply into their lives, the arc of their lives, the arc of their business dealings, their foundation dealings, et cetera, et cetera. we're operating in a daily news cycle vacuum 24/7 without context. it's been an abdication of responsibility. there had been a hillary

documentary that was going to be done, and hillary people were able to shut it down with the producers of the documentary because they didn't want it done. we need to create our own agenda and do the reporting. >> it does bring up press access. john, do you think this is an election where it's the lesser of two evils? i've heard some people say that. bernie sanders has brought it up recently. on the one side, we have a historic female nominee. she's on the cusp of that. on the flipside, a candidate who's inspired millions of people, donald trump, that felt disenfranchised. is this a lesser of two evils? >> there are always folks in every election who say it's a lesser of two evils choice. here you have two candidates who have been known in different capacities for 20, 25 years. if you said to someone 20 years ago the election in to -- 2016 was going to be between hillary clinton and donald trump, i think people would want to opt out even back then.

you know, there has been a lot of deep reporting on these folks. the problem is we have the collective attention of a firefly right now because of the rise of social media. >> so you're saying it's the audience's fault? >> we're all in this together. no one can point blame at one segment and say, you know, these are the angels, these are the devils. the speed of the cycle, which always is increased, has made us not have enough collective memory and context. it is our job in the media to make those stories important. in an environment where folks are sew polarized because of the media diet, they can ignore critical things said about their candidate. >> let's discuss how we should cover these polls. let's show the four most recent polls from the major networks. we have a fox poll that showed trump ahead earlier this week. this morning, nbc news out with a new poll that shows clinton

ahead by three points. then there's an abc poll showing trump ahead by two points. jane, what's the context we need to be including in the reporting of this? for one thing, trump is the nominee, it looks like he's getting a bump right now. what are the other context chul points with e need to keep in mind? >> i think people, you know, might point out that bernie sanders has higher favorables than unfavorables. sanders was largely ignored going in. i think, you know, he is righting to say he came from nowhere, and he's got 10 million votes compared to 13 million for hillary clinton. i think all these polls are a snapshot, and people do need to point out that she's still in a fight against sanders for the nomination, and the republican party is beginning to coalesce around him. you know, there's a tremendous reliance on snap polls. i think the post today, "the washington post"/abc poll is a very serious poll because it really gets to unhappiness with both nominees and then what are

the reasons for that. the economic argument that trump and sanders both have been making really resonates with a large significant number of american people. i think that should also be pointed out in our reporting. a lot of people think this is a rigged system. i don't think that has been reported nearly as much as it should be. it's showing up in the polls, but it's not really been reported. >> enough explaining about it. i would add one more point about the polls. the prediction markets show clinton with a clear advantage over trump. the prediction markets believe clinton will win. but there has been a slight down tick. she's not as much in the lead as she was before. we're going to have 5 1/2 more months of these polls, so we've got to keep all of it in perspective. please stick around. i want to ask you more about the democratic race later this hour. also ahead, marty barron of the "washington post." is trump a target of the post? i'm going to ask barron after the break. it's more than a network and the cloud.

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there is a war of words going on between donald trump and the owner of "the washington post," jeff bezos, also the founder of amazon. it heated up again this week. bezos firing back against trump,

who's been questioning bezos' ownership of the paper and threatening amazon, accusing it of dodging taxes. at a post conference this week, executive editor marty barron asked bezos about trump's tactics. here's what bezos said. >> my view is that's not an appropriate way for a presidential candidate to behave. some people would say that this is just very tactical to immunize against the media and that none of this would happen. i still think str a cultural norms point of view, it's not the right kind of thing to do. it erodes our free speech norms. >> so that's bezos' take. i want to hear from marty barron on this as well. he's joining me now from the post newsroom in washington. good morning. how are you? >> good morning. how are you? >> i was curious, when you hear your boss, owner of the paper, talking tough about trump, does it make it harder for you and your colleagues, your reporters to cover trump fairly? >> well, our intention is to cover the candidates as we would even without something like

this. we were covering donald trump and covering hillary clinton thoroughly before this sort of battle of words, and we intend to continue doing that in a fair, honest, and honorable and accurate way. >> don't you think there's at least a perception problem for the post when the owner of the paper out there is saying what trump is saying is inappropriate for a presidential candidate? >> well, he was just asked to respond to what donald trump had already said. i think he has the right to respond, and that doesn't change our coverage in any way. of course, we have to cover a presidential candidate. we're going to do that. >> there's been a lot of attention about the fact you have assigned reportedly 20 reporters to the trump beat. you're working on a book about the candidate. how many reporters do you have covering clinton versus trump? >> well, let's back up a bit. i mean, we don't have 20 reporters assigned to cover trump on a regular basis. we decided to do a book, a publisher decided to publish it. we have to get it done quickly. it's coming out in august. we only started a couple months ago. so in order to get it done

quickly, we have to assign a large team of reporters to do it because we want to be thorough about it. and we're certainly giving donald trump plenty of opportunity to address the kinds of things that are addressed in the book itself. so many of those reporters are already back to their original assignments. they're not actually working on donald trump anymore. they were only on this book for a limited period of time. so we don't have 20 people permanently assigned to covering donald trump. we have our regular political team assigned to covering both donald trump and hillary clinton, and we plan to cover both of them thoroughly. >> will there be a tough investigative reporting about clinton, the same way we have seen about trump? you had a great report a couple days ago about the fund raising trump said he was doing for veterans. will we be seeing the equivalent of that about clinton? >> of course you will. we've already done that. we were at the forefront of

coverage about questions raised about the foundation. we did that early last year, and we did many stories on that. we've been very aggressive at looking at the whole e-mail controversy. we've done a lot of fact checkers about the statements that she has made, calling into question the voracity of those statements. we've looked at special employment arrangements for some of her closest aides and friends who were working within the state department. so we've done it already, and we'll continue doing that kind of work. >> let me show you something the committee to protect journalists said this week. i want to get your assessment. this is from one of the research associates at the organization. she said it's important to take trump's insults against journalists seriously. i think we can put up part of the quote. it says politicians have a right to criticize the media, and they cannot be held responsible for the existence of online trolls, but when they incite supporters to threatening journalists whether intentionally or by accident, the impact on press freedom is real. we've all heard about how trump will talk about dishonest

journalists. there will be criticism of the press. do you agree with the assessment that trump could be a threat to press freedoms because of the way he vilifies journalists? >> well, i'm concerned when any candidate calls journalists scum and disgusting. i don't think there's any place for that. i think we need to show respect both for the candidates, and i think the candidates should show respect for journalists who were just doing their jobs. i worry when those kinds of statements are made. i think that people should have respect for the role that journalists play in our democracy, and i think that includes the candidates themselves. >> is that what makes this election kind of difficult? there's two candidates here who appear to be the nominees of the party. clinton very close to securing the nomination. only one of the two candidates is openly hostile toward journalists at rallies, calling reporters disgusting and scum and all the rest. does it make it difficult to provide an equivalency because there's not an equivalency between the two candidates? >> no, i really don't think so.

the fact is the clinton campaign hasn't been terribly friendly to journalists either. there's been a lot of friction between hillary clinton and the journalists who are covering her. so that's par for the course when you're covering a campaign. we intend to cover the candidates in an equal way with equal sense of accountability. >> marty, thank you for being here this morning. great to see you. >> pleasure. thank you. >> up next here on "reliable sources" is there really a civil war brewing among democrats, or is the media stirring up a new controversy? and later this hour, megyn kelly versus trevor noah. we'll get into that later this hour. you wouldn't order szechuan without checking the spice level. it really opens the passages. waiter. water. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.

thanks to an ugly scene in nevada last weekend, a chaotic democratic convention that left

bernie sanders' supporters feeling the system was rigged, thanks to that, there's a new media narrative about the race. >> the tables have turned as the primary season nears its end as democratics divide. >> the democratic party is fraying at the seams. >> the real civil war is actually going on, on the democratic side. >> democrats seem to be growing farther apart. >> now all the sudden the democrats are the ones with disarray. >> so can hillary stop the bern at this point? >> boy, it is a convenient narrative, but is it maybe a little too convenient? let's bring back our all-star panel. carl, we need a reality check here. are political reporters and tv producers exaggerating this dem civil war? >> yes. we're hardly up to 1968 and blood in the streets of chicago. i think there's abundant evidence that the democrats will

coalesce around their nominee, presumably hillary clinton, maybe bernie sanders, but we're missing a bigger story here. that is bernie sanders still believes he has a path to the nomination. very narrow, thread the needle, almost impossible. win california, have some fallout on the server story, which a lot of people think is coming, including some of the investigators, not an indictment of hillary clinton, but some news, perhaps leaked. and go into that convention having won california and convince the super delegates that he, as he's showing in the polls, is better running against donald trump than hillary clinton. it's a real long shot, but that's one of the reasons that the clinton people are so upset and are pushing this narrative of, oh, nevada is so irresponsible. look, we have all gotten terrible, terrible online threats. those in the media, those in politics. this is hardly a huge schism the

way it's being play ph.d. ed on air. >> yeah, we heard from obama aides in 2008 saying it was more intense than obama and clinton than it is now. maybe one of the differences is there's much more social media. there's actually pro-bernie media that exists out there that is encouraging people to buy into this belief that what happened in nevada was chaotic and that the system is rigged against him. do you think that's a detriment to the party here, that there are many more partisan options for people? >> well, you know, i think that the media narrative is reflecting a genuine concern on the part of the clinton people. she needs to win the passion and the votes of young people in particular, and he has created, i think, a movement that perhaps has even surprised him. i interviewed him a year ago, and i said, are you trying to send a message? he said, hell, no. he didn't said hell, no, he said, i'm in it to win it. i told my friends that there were 200 students at american university who were ready to go

to work for him. i think he's maybe a person who may be even surprised by the social media. although, he was early on social media. he's raised an enormous amount of money. she needs him to disavow the violence and say that is not what he wanted to do. disavow the ruckus, the melee. but his people are saying that debbie wasserman-schultz has been against him all along. there is a genuine fight going on. i don't think the media are overplaying this. this could have very bad impacts for hillary clinton at the convention. >> go ahead, john. >> i'm just not buying this. i do think it's too convenient a narrative. there are deep, deep divides beneath the republican party, which is essentially in warlord status right now. the democrats do have increasing divisions on an increasingly activist left, which bernie sanders represents. righteous anger about a rigged system. you see it in the rise of elizabeth warren and bill de blasio. but the party will rally around

hillary clinton. this poll today, the poll we're talking about today about high negatives exists with a party that's still conducting a pretty contentious primary. and more importantly, you know, hating hillary clinton has been an industry on the far right for a quarter century. that baggage exists. it is real. but whatever enthusiasm gap exists among the democratic party will be erased when they focus on the real possibility of president trump. >> yeah, i think this is something that the democrats, liberals, clinton supporters get so immensely frustrated with. they feel like clinton does not get a fair shake from general, national media coverage because of these built-in biases. carl, do you subscribe to that, that journalists start out assuming the worst about hillary clinton? >> well, i think you can't generalize about journalists. you have to talk about real, experienced political reporters who are really capable, like at "the washington post," "the wall street journal," "the new york times," some of the cable networks on a day-to-day basis. i think we must come back at the

risk of being repetitive here. we are ahead of ourselves. we need to be seeing on television the three networks, the old networks and the cable networks. we need to be seeing in-depth reporting about the lives of all of these candidates who are still running, and we need to see it soon. what we're doing is we're focusing on breaking news underlined without going back and seeing, well, what is the context of what we're reporting here? who are these people? we think we know them. i don't think the voters do because the voters haven't read the books that are out there that really tell us something about who these people are. >> i think television has given donald trump pretty much a pass. "the new york times," "the washington post," they've done a lot about his business practices, his university. it's really because entertainment -- you should pardon the expression -- is

trumping everything else. he calls in, says what he wants, he's gone, he's out of town, and he's never called on what he's done, what he's said. entertainment is the ultimate value in this campaign, at least on a lot of television. >> it's also true -- >> we have not done a lot of reporting on bernie sanders. >> let me get a final take from john. >> there's been plenty of reporting, but the self-segregation of people in terms of media insulates themselves. you're right. they need to be more aggressive, holding him accountable. but it's our job in the media to do two things. we need to call bs and make important stories interesting. if there's a shortfall, it's on us to ratchet up the accountability. >> thank you, all, for being here. do you all at home notice how the democratic segment turns into a conversation about trump? it's funny how that always happens. coming up next here on "reliable sources," who needs surrogates

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a plane tragically falls out of the sky over the mediterranean. no one knows why, but everyone fears an act of terrorism. the president receives briefings but says nothing publicly. so how would the people running to be president react? we found out on thursday. donald trump reacted right away, before many americans had even learned of the plane going down. he tweeted at 6:30 a.m. eastern, looks like yet another terrorist attack. hillary clinton did not tweet. she had an interview with cnn scheduled for the afternoon, so she waited until then and said the incident does appear to be an act of terrorism. now, we still don't know what really happened, and both of their assessments could end up looking premature and irresponsible. i would point out the president still has not commented

publicly. but trump's instant response gave the press something fresh to talk about. in the campaign coverage, we've heard a lot about his use of social media, but i wanted to seek out someone with a one of a kind perspective. a communications pro who represented the last republican president. ari fleisher, he was president george w. bush's first press secretary from 2001 to 2003, and he now runs a pr and media strategy firm. good morning. thanks for joining me. >> thank you. great to be with you. >> i heard you say on friday that you think jobs like yours are irrelevant now, thanks to donald trump and his twitter power and his television power. i know you don't really believe that though, right? you're just trying to flatter the donald. >> believe me, that's the last thing i'm going to do. you know, my point here is it used to be that surrogates and spokespeople had a prominent role in campaigns. donald trump has seized all the spokesman territory in an unusual way for a candidate and certainly unusual for a president. he does it himself.

he's overexposed, you could argue, but to a great effect, it's been very effective for him. >> overexposed. what would you be advising him to do differently? >> i won't advise him to do things differently. that's the thing. i'm aware enough that because it was done my way for decades doesn't mean it needs to always be that way. things change. donald trump is probably on the front edge of a major change in america. what's driving everything, including communications, is american people are sick and tired of politicians. they've heard it all, they've seen it all. all the politicians look alike, sound alike, focus group alike, and test the polls alike. along comes a guy like donald trump who is flamboyant, says rude things, talks in a way people are just not used to, and you know what, enough people are warming to it because he's not a politician. >> but i heard people say in 2000 that people were tired of politicians. then george w. bush won. i heard people say it in 2008. then ex-senator barack obama won. haven't people always been tired it of politicians? >> you're making my point for me. it's been a pot of boiling

water, and this year it boiled over because it found a vessel in donald trump. >> given your private sector work, working with athletes, working with corporations, have you given your clients any advice about what trump has taught the rest of us about communications? >> i actually have. i do two things. one is i use barack obama's speeches to show clients about the art and the power of giving a powerful speech. forget politics. he's a wonderful orator. there's something to be taught from that. with donald trump, what i teach people is name a motto in politics. the only one people remember is make america great again. there's something about having a simple, easy to remember line that you use over and over again, and donald trump has proven to be an adept marketer at that. >> do you find yourself worrying about the tone, about the tenor of communications from donald trump? say whatever we would about bush or obama, they wouldn't talk the way that trump speaks. for example, on friday morning on "fox and friends," trump suggested the reason why hillary clinton might want bill clinton around at the white house as an economic adviser is to, quote,

so she can keep her eye on him. that's the kind of thing you'd never hear former president bush or obama say. >> but it's also what makes donald trump so different. he's not a politician. so he says things like that. that reinforces his strength. i think what happens is everybody in politics focuses on the micro. he said that. most of the american people say, thank goodness people talk like that. that's the difference in how he speaks. for me, for my style, that's not my way. i haven't spoken like that. i didn't work for people who spoke like that. i worry about it mostly when it comes to foreign policy because when you speak for america before the world, it's important to be a bit more cognizant and respectful of others around the world. you can be america first but still be respectful of others. i'd like to see him modulate his language when it comes to foreign policy to some degree, but that's my style, and i don't have to suggest my style is better than donald trump's style. the american people will decide that.

>> earlier you suggested we're on the cusp of a major change. in other words, you think trump isn't the last candidate or the last person seeking higher office who will communicate in this way. >> let me give you a warning right now about the future. if donald trump wins, watch out in the democratic what happens leading into '20 when they have to let someone run against him. their outsider will become prominent. bernie sanders has pushed the envelope so far this year. elizabeth warren will push the envelope. who will be the hollywood actor or actress who decides if donald trump can do it, i can do it? who will be the entertainer, the musician? donald trump has broken the seal on the suggestion that you have to have been in elected office to win the presidency or run for the presidency. the democrats will have a similar problem if donald trump gets in, in 2016. >> so what does that mean for journalists who cover these races? certainly underneath the surface, many writers and commentators are horrified by some of the things trump says. you can call that liberal bias or say it's a sense of decency, a sense of how politics are

supposed to be done, how the campaigns are supposed to be played. >> i would never call that decency. that's not what it is. what it really is, is a northeastern look down your nose at other people who are different. that's what it is, brian. i can't tell you how many people in journalist and other places around the northeast where i live now who are absolutely aghast, cannot understand how anybody could possibly be for donald trump. that is disdain for the voters. i'll never be like that. there's a lot about donald trump i don't like, and i'll call him out on it, but i'll never have disdain for the american people. that view that you just articulated is disdain for the american people. >> you have heard it, though, right? i'm not the only one that sensed that from any journalist? >> absolutely. it's rife in journalism. the overwhelming majority of journalists, though they refuse to admit it, are biased. they're socially and culturally liberal. donald trump offends them. they went into journalist to protect the little guy against the big and powerful, to protect people against those who would

offend. so it's intuitive and natural for them to be against donald trump, but it's bias. what i can't stand about it is the way they look down their nose at the people who could be for donald trump. that's what's wrong with donald trump. that's why the journalists missed the donald trump story. one last point, brian. manhattan. 85 to 15 democratic voting. that way for kerry and obama. manhattan, where most journalists are from and many are taught, is one of the most narrow-minded, stereotypical places you could ever find. >> ari fleisher there, wanting me to get out of manhattan. one more note from the interview. fleisher told me that he's never met his counterpart on the trump campaign. coming up here in a moment, megyn kelly, her much-anticipated special. you'll hear from two critics who thought it did not live up to the hype. we'll explore why in detail right after this. it's more than a network and the cloud.

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this week was supposed to be a triumphant one for megyn kelly. her long-awaited, highly anticipated interview with donald trump finally aired on thursday. it drew a modest 4.8 million viewers. that's actually pretty high by fox broadcast network standards, but a lot of people in the industry were expecting a far higher number. as for the reactions, well, these were some of the reactions. eric wemple of "the washington

post" called it a bankrupt interview. kelly was way too easy on trump. and jim warren of pointer called the whole thing a con. kelly fired back the next night. watch this. >> james warren of pointer.org called it a soft as a grape session. this is the same man who dismissed the entire republican party as, quote, anti-female. eric wemple of "the washington post" has made no secret of his hate for trump, calling hi inin bigot. today wemple is upset i did not, quote, get personal about what trump's behavior has done to my life, as if an interview about trump should instead be about me. >> you know, i got to bring in two of those critics now. two of the aforementioned critics. mary and jim. jim, have you called the whole republican party anti-female, the way megyn kelly alleged?

>> no, i offered her or anybody else out there who could find proof of that drinks on me, and it's been four or five days. i'm happy to buy someone jack daniels, maybe a decent bottle of champagne. but no, nobody's come forward. they haven't found that. >> why do you think she was so defensive the next night on her show? i mean, listen, it's normal on fox to make this about liberal media bias. it's a tactic that works for the network. why else do you think she was so defensive about >> i solely can recall the people she aspires to be like. barbara walters. oprah winfrey. being so sensitive, even allergic to criticism. where you just can't subsume the news cycle to your own professional career goals. you can't be in the heat of a campaign in some ways, as you alluded to, sort of central to some of the issues of the campaign and then do some soft focus interview.

this is not like edward r. morrow like with marilyn monroe. more like bashing for the iraq war conduct and then asking about his weekends in mexico and horse back riding or as i mentioned, i think it's very much akin to steinbrenner, the yankees manager fired. and after the first time, lo and behold, appeared on a miller lite commercial together. it was a mutual commercial benefit. that's what strikes me as comparable here. >> if you agree, why do you think that is? a missed opportunity in the interview? there were a lot of soft questions and that was kelly's intent. she was going to make this about trump the person, not the politician. but what do you think was missing and why? >> she touted this interview as

nothing is off the table and when the interview occurred, it felt like everything is off the table. she had this incredibly rare opportunity where she came out of those debates perceived as this very tough willing to ask really hard questions and i think people anticipated that same level of toughness and instead we got very softball. when did you realize you were going to be president? have you been wounded? when she addressed it, and people call it a feud, it was not a feud, because that assumes an equality. it was very one sided. she was doing her job as a moderator. asked a very sensible question that's very important about how a presidential candidate has referred to women in the past and he absolutely smeared her. he went out of his way to try to get people to boycott her show. he retweeted hateful tweets about her, pretty much the same as tweeting that and when he got

into, i never called you anything. and she did call him on, you did retweets about me being a bimbo and said, that's not the worst thing you've been call and so you're like, that's the level that a presidential candidate is i'm not going to retweet things in which you're being called profane names? but she didn't press him on that. >> let me be a little bit of a practical or maybe a cynic here. do you think she was going relatively easy this time in order to get another interview later which will be tougher, more confrontational? >> absolutely. i think this was a question of she wanted to make sure she had access to him in the future because, of course, he boycotted the, when she was proposed as a moderator the second time, she wanted to boycott. she wanted to make sure she reached out to him. she's the one who smoothed over. and it wasn't a feud, but she smoothed over the situation and

he made a big deal about how, oh, that was so big of you because i would never reach out like that, and she didn't press him on that. she didn't press him on the fact someone who wants to be the president is not comfortable with diplomacy. >> and then promoted her book coming out this november and a tiff with trevor noah. a segment about him in the next morning and then responded on twitter calling him out in aendera en gendered way and advise how to deal with gender attacks. i'm sure far better than mine on this. another example of kelly firing back at her critics. you think it matters whether she'll leave fox or is she going to leave the network? >> i think the publicity by and large only helps her apart from folks mary and i might be. as an act of branding, her

career over the last couple of years has been rather brilliant. i don't doubt her agent will be fielding lots of offers from various networks for bigger positions and then roger, hale, has to figure out how to reposition her perhaps on the fox network. as far as that goes, this has been a big career boost for her despite her suspension of her supposedly great news judgment here and in the end, people, she's got her name out. i went to the supermarket there on one of the checkout magazines as megyn kelly, her marriage, her life, her career. it's been rather impressive. >> thank you both for joining me this morning. next year, we can all learn from morley safer. n you met on tv. i love you. i love you too. yeah.

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the news mourns the loss of a legend this week. morley safer. morley and tv news grew up together. one of his parting words of wisdom airing last sunday reminds us all of the power of our words. >> what you're aiming at is people's not ears but eyes. what you're saying, not what they're seeing. bitter battle. >> i will be the nominee for my party. that's already done. >> bernie sanders needs to face facts. as the democratic primary gets heavy. >> i say to the leadership of the democratic party, open the doors. let the people in. >> is sanders willing to burn down the party to get what he wants? senator bernie sanders will be here in minutes. plus, donald trump tries to calm