replace the party's chair, debbie wasserman schultz and calling hillary clinton the lesser of two evils when it comes to donald trump. and two new national polls. trump and clinton, they are locked in a dead heat. get this -- a majority of americans say they would consider a third party candidate. meanwhile, speculation is building this morning about who's on the short list to become trump's vp pick. we have the 2016 race covered the way only cnn can. let's begin with senior washington correspondent joe johns live in washington. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, chris. it's a sign of the bitterness in the race when one of the two top candidates running for a major party's nomination suggests that if elected, he would get rid of the leader of the party, though ho be sure, the feud between the sanders campaign and the dnc has been going on for a while now. while the sanders campaign and the sound bite over the top this weekend suggesting americans

could be choosing between the lesser of two evils in november, it might have democrats shaking their heads, the latest polling does show sky-high negatives for both donald trump and hillary clinton. >> thank you! >> reporter: bernie sanders coming out strong over the weekend against the head of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman chutes. >> in all due respect to the current chairperson, if elected president, she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. >> reporter: sanders going as far as backing her challenger for her florida house seat. >> clearly i favor her opponent. his views are much closer to mine than is wasserman schultz'. >> reporter: the head of the dnc responding insisting she'll stay unbiased. saying in a statement, i'll remain as i have since the beginning. neutral in the democratic party. sanders doubling down on charges that the party is unfairly propping up hillary clinton's

campaign before the primary contests are finished. >> you had 400 pledged delegates come onboard clinton's campaign before anyone else was in the race. that's called an aanyone toment process, that's called the establishment talking. >> reporter: sanders saying he's the one to carry the party to victory in november. >> virtually every national poll and every state poll, we defeat trump by larger numbers than does secretary clinton. >> reporter: pointing out the infavorable ratings plaguing both clinton and trump. >> i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. >> reporter: quickly walking back that description when pressed. >> is that how you describe hillary clinton against donald trump? the lesser of two evils? >> i wouldn't describe it, but that's what the american people are saying. >> reporter: clinton 100 delegates shy of clinching the nomination. >> there is no way i won't be. >> reporter: taking a jab at sanders viability on sunday.

>> i don't think he's ever had a negative'd run against him. >> reporter: all eyed on the west coast and candidates get ready for the california primary. bernie sanders spending most of the week there and hillary clinton heading there amp a speech. listen to this. two national polls have donald trump and hillary clinton locked in a dead heat. clinton is at 44%. trump at 46%. in a "washington post" abc news poll and the "wall street journal"/nbc news poll, clinton at 46%, trump at 43%. >> you have it right on the polls. the party clearly coalescing behind its nominee, donald trump number's showing improvement. take a look at this. 58% of registered voters in the

nbc/"wall street journal" poll, a knelltive opinion of trump. highest in the poll's history, yet even in that, there's good news. his negatives have actually improved by 12 points since april. this is something his advisers predicted would happen. now, these numbers are all coming as trump continues to reach out to various crucial blocks that make up the republican party as well as its top officials. sewed senator bob corker, tennessee republican, chairman of the foreign affairs committee, speculation perhaps he may be in the running to be trump's running mate choice. he's meant to beef up expertise in that area. the vice presidential selection, trump and his advisers continuing to maintain. that selection announced in july at the republican national convention. >> but, oh, the intrigue, phil. so much. stay with us right now and also bring in cnn political commentator and political anchor's time warner cable news,

errol louis and host of the david gregory show podcast, the man himself, dg. good to have you both with us. only a little facetiousness i factor into this, the headlines show the poll, the unusual matchup we have. put the numbers up phil just took us through. you see that it's tied, statisticsly, margin flips both way and also tied in terms of whom do we like less. have you ever seen numbers like this before that are so much a margin of relative unfavorable? >> this is an extreme case of a trend building now for a decade. this is polarization. that's what the title should be over all of it. which is to say that people really, really feel strongly against a lot of things in this country. not just the candidates, also the issues, and are prepared to vote in that way as well. we're going to see the lead swap back and forth a number of

times, but the unfavorables will be there all of the time. what it also points to, chris, a strategic decision that these candidates will probably make, which is to, you can either sort of promote yourself or you can knock the other person. they're going to knock the other person, because that's -- it's easier to do. there's some real sort of opportunities there that sort of try and disqualify the other candidate in critical states, and that is a path to victory. unfortunately, it works. people don't do negative ads because they don't work, they do them because they do work. they convince people to just stay home, which actually can work, in your favor, depending what your strategy is, and that's what we're going to see, and we in the press are going to lament all of it, but seems like that roller coaster, we're right at the top of the hill and about to swing down into some really, really negative campaigning. >> i feel it in my stomach, at the top of the hill, about to go over. >> it's not?

bad guacamole from over the weekend? >> that's also possible. what about what errol was saying? does that give bernie sanders an argument for staying in a long time? his favorables are better than theirs? >> give him an argument. he has not been tested in the same way, not exposed to the same kind of scrutiny within the democratic election or general election race. frankly, people have not paid enough attention to what a sanders' presidency would actually look like, because it has looked more improbable. nevers les, he has an argument to make and a freshness to sanders, despite he's been in the senate so long, and a freshness on the national scene he benefits from -- clinton and trump are well known and the race is only going to get nastier between now and november. >> the poor donald hash tag.

phil, your take on that. do you think the campaign is trying to strike a cord that will bother donald trump, the clintons, saying #poordonald. >> no problem seeing what will actually work. >> implication is what? you didn't pay any taxes? >> they think the tax issue is a very big deal. >> why? >> look at polling, the vast majority of people believe you should as a presidential candidate, as everybody has since 1976, release your tax returns and they want to jump on this issue right now, and you've seen them hammer it home over the last couple of days. >> you don't think this gives him cover? >> no. talk to a tax analyst or official returns to tax returns in general, you can still release them. maybe your lawyer might not want you to, but not a legitimate reason. trump made clear, when the audit is over, they'll release the tax returns. they're not moving off that. the clinton campaign loves the idea of the unknown. is he paying taxes at all?

not giving money to charity? a wide-open area for them. as long as he doesn't release the tax returns they believe they can attack him on pretty much anything related to taxes because of that unknown. >> errol, no chink in the armor thus far for donald trump. anything that they've -- anyone, the media, or his opponents have tried to throw at him has not stuck. so the clinton campaign is sort of casting about for something, a narrative that might work. #poordonald. is that it? >> i don't know if i agree with that. nothing disqualifies him. he gets away with things, facts have come forward, any other candidate we've seen in 20, 30 years, he hasn't been disqualified but has very high negative. look state by state and what people think about him in swing states in virginia, isnn florid in pennsylvania, states where

hillary clinton is still leading. if she wants to sort of let people know what is wrong with him and try to disqualify him, phil is right. try it now. will it disqualify him from the race? look, he's going to be the nominee. you're going to see him on the ballot in november no matter what. i don't think that's what's going to happen, but she's going to continue pounding. they use a lot of sophisticated analytics, they'll try to beat him in the states where they need to beat him. that's how a traditional campaign is run. >> and see this as the ultimate reflection that he is not the system. it doesn't really matter what his negatives are you because he's still not the system, and that's good enough for at least 55% of the people who are voting for him. >> talking about trump in this case, right? that he's not the system. >> yeah. >> i think that's right. but, look, there's an opportunity right now. the clinton team knows that they have, which is to try to define trump in a really negative light, and the argument here is that he's not as successful as you think he is. his major calling card is something of a fraud.

that he has not been subjected to which is a lot of -- negative advertising over a sustained period of time, and she wants to try to do that now in her supporters they want to do it now at a time when he's consolidating in the race. to your point, chris, there's a lot of negative for both of the. one of the things hillary can point to, look at the obama numbers in 2012, she tends to mirror that a little in terms of how she's doing at this stage. that's at least a positive sign and has yet to consolidate as much of the liberal democratic vote because she's still in a fight with sanders. >> phil, quickly, bernie sanders is not going gently into the good night. and his argument, if he wins the upcoming states he might have more pledged dell guiegatedeleg. she would have more super

delegates. >> and would have to have a lot. a really important point. we need to be quick. california is an expensive state to play, a very large state to play. the latest fec filings, hillary clinton has $30 million left in the bank. talked to one democratic analyst said basically, game, set, match on the money now. if you want to win in california, an area where the clinton campaign doesn't want to spend but it's very, very expensive. bernie sanders raised more than $200 million in his campaign. he's down to $6 million. the bern rate is extensive. to answer your question, if bernie sanders somehow manages to do very well in california, very well in the district of columbia, win in an amazing clip. certainly an argument. i don't know how realistic to get anywhere near the pledged delegates you need to. >> panel, thank you. great to get your insights. so how big of a threat is a third party ticket? coming up in our next hour we speak with former massachusetts governor william weld, the vp candidate on the libertarian

party ticket. and now we have the latest for you in the crash of egyptair flight 804. a submarine is now joining the hunt for the black boxes. they are the all-important clue that investigators need. we already have new details emerging about the plane's final moments before it plunged from the sky. for that we go to cnn's nic robertson in alexandria, egypt with more. >> reporter: thousands of feet below the mediterranean sea, the search for egyptair 804 continues. egypt deploying a submarine scouring the bottom of the ocean floor, 200 miles off the coast of alexandria, hoping to retrieve the plane's black boxes in waters nearly two miles deep in some parts. >> flight -- >> reporter: this is audio recordi recordings, the tape released. >> thank you so much. good day.

good night. >> reporter: just minutes before falling off radar. >> 8-0-4 bound for -- >> reporter: flight data obtained by cnn indicate multiple smoke alerts occurring near the cockpit minutes before the crash. the smoke indicators providing a new clue for investigators. was it mechanical failure or something deliberate, like terrorism, that made flight 804 suddenly drop 38,000 feet out of the sky? >> this is certainly an important element in a jigsaw puz thzle that has to be fully combined. >> reporter: no theory ruled out. >> we cannot at this stage come up with any conclusions. stot making, how you call it, speculations, without having facts. >> reporter: wreckage found over the weekend, reminders of the 66 lives lost, including a purse, and a child's pink backpack.

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egypt is deploying a submarine to the crash site in an effort to locate egyptair flight 804 black box recorders and flight data performance. was it a malfunction or something more sinister? joining us now, cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation mary schiavo and counterterrorism official phil mudd. great to have you both with us this morning. mary, we have new information that came out over the weekend from the airplane's communication system. there's a screen grab of the airplane sending out its automatic sort of

communications, and you see here that it says, right below the line, smoke, lavatory smoke. then it says avionics, smoke. tell us what we should read into this, mary? >> unfortunately we also have an announcement from airbus over the weekend who put out a statement saying that the heat sensors, the first indication were the heat sensors in the cockpit and those are indeed heat sensor. they got have indication of heat sensor on the cockpit side and optical censoring on the lavatory side, be it smoke some kind of a mist. be it mace. they can detect things optica y optically, the other sensors were heat and finally electrical fault failures. several things were going on at once and, again, without having the fact that the smoke

detectors in the rear, the lavatory in the rear, apparently also went off, too, one would assume it was a fire in the electronics bay or the cockpit. but boeing says these facts -- airbus says these facts don't fit. >> mary, help us understand. does that mean, to your mind, this was some sort of electrical fire that was the problem with the plane or a bomb that exploded? >> well, unfortunately it could be either, but with these facts, with the first thing happening, as the heat sensor in the cockpit on the right-hand side window, one might suspect that it was an electrical failure. >> yet, phil, there are officials that are still sticking with the terrorism angle. here is what congressman peter king said over the weekend about that. >> right now, the indicators are that if you took the scales of terrorism, the longer it goes without responsibility being claimed, it also could be a

malfunction on the plane itself, an electrical malfunction. i think on these investigations, by the way, something like this, we have to start with the premise terrorism is the most likely option and work our way back from that. >> phil, where are you today on what brought this plane down? >> complete nonsense. start in the other direction. you take the facts and determine where the facts take you. we're 15 years beyond 9/11 and the responsibility of leadership is calm, cool and collected. what do we get? rush to judgment. if you're an analyst and determine ahead of time where the facts are going to take you, that leads to what you call in the analytic business confirmation bias. you try to take the facts to confirm what your theory is. there is not a theory. we have a series of facts. no claim from terrorists. no identification of a terrorist onboard and now it appears we have smoke and/or heat near the cockpit. that takes you in a direction to say it's increasingly unlikely that this is terrorism, but i couldn't disagree with the

congressman more. you don't start with a theory. you start with the facts. >> mary, another graphic of the airplane that helps us understand where the fire might have been. you can see below deck there, below the cockpit there's an electronics bay that may have been where the fire or an explosion of some kind started. then you soo e where the lavatory is, where smoke was detected. you see the window, you see the copilot, sliding window. so, mary, explain to us if there were a fire if this were an electrical malfunction at 37,000 feet, have you seen something like that before? how unusual would this be if not a bomb that set it off? >> unfortunately, all things are rare. fortunately in faviation, but yes, australian safety transport board like the united states ntsb, that encountered this in 2009 on several planes and curiously it was at 37,000 to 39,000 feet and it was a malfunction of the window heater. you know, it's very cold at that

altitude. so the window have to be heated and there was a malfunction there and they actually issued a warning that sutted that, a bea bulletin to replace all windows and we've seen fires with the entertainment system. we've seen fires in cargo holds. anden the front cargo hold is very near there. so there are several scenarios that could explain it, but so, too, could an incendiary device in the front cargo hold, or if someone could have accessed the electronics bay. >> phil, why wouldn't isis just claim responsibility for good measure? >> i think one of the reasons they have, they've got to maintain some sort of support among potential people who would join or pay for the organization in places like europe and north america. we're going to determine what happened here, over time. isis isn't stupid. the people doing media for isis, many are from the west, from europe, from the united states, from canada. they will know eventually airline experts will determine what happened on this flight and

i don't think they want to be embarrassed claiming something and having the black box, electronic show some other kind of failure. >> phil, mayory, thanks for you expertise. president obama is in vietnam making a major announcement just hours ago. he has decided to lift a decades' old lethal embargo. why some say that is not such a good idea. ssist systems. it recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing: a crash. the 2016 e-class. lease the e350 for $499 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. customer service!d. ma'am. this isn't a computer... wait. you're real? with discover card, you can talk to a real person

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breaking news overnight -- president obama making history in hanoi. ed president announcing he's fully lifting a decades old embargo on veet ietnam. >> reporter: marking the first time in more than 50 years the u.s. can sell arms to vietnam. something that would have been unthinkable decades ago. this points to the growing trust, deepening relationship, the arms embargo was partially lifted two years ago and president obama was careful to say that this is not about china. here's how he framed it. >> the united states is fully lifting the ban on the sale of

military equipment to vietnam that has been in place for some 50 years. as with all our defense partners, sales will need to still meet strict requirements, including those related to human rights. >> reporter: it's interesting to hear president obama pay heed to human rights but says human rights was not tied to the lifting of the embargo. he did say the u.s. would keep pushing for free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly in a country a day ago the bbc was ordered to stop reporting and watches that the state of human rights here is dire in all areas. chris? >> michelle kaczynski, thank you very much for the reporting. appreciate it. president obama confirming overnight the leader of the afghan taliban is dead. speaking in vietnam, the president called the death of mullah akhtar mansour an important milestone in our lo

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in the middle east, isis claiming responsibility for a series of bombings in syria that killed 78 people at least.

now, this comes as u.s. forces work to help syrians in their fight to relame areas like raqqah, isis' declared capital. cnn was the only television network to travel overseas with general joe votel. he's the top u.s. commander in the middle east, and he was on a secret mission to syria. cnn's barbara starr joins us now with the exclusive report. barbara, what a trip to be on. >> reporter: it was extraordinary, chris. general votel, of course, four-star general, highest ranking u.s. military officer to enter syria. joe votel, a longtime special operations expert himself. this time he had one more mission and cnn was with him. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: these are the first images ever shown publicly from a u.s. special operations training camp in northern steyr.

from here and other nearby secret locations, the u.s. military is racing time to train enough local syrian forces so they can push south towards raqqah, isis' declared capital. cnn was the only television network with general joseph votel on a secret day-long trip to syria. votel oversees the war against isis. >> my principle purpose, meet with some of the syrian democratic leadership and in multiple locations and also to meet with our adviser teams. >> reporter: general votel has come to northern syria under extraordinary security conditions. in fact, we've been asked not to reveal a number of details on how we all got here. but votel considers this part of the war a top priority. he is here to meet with the u.s. military advisers that are helping some of these local troops that you see work to defeat isis.

votel went to multiple locations. we've been asked not to disclose. meeting with key local leaders in the syrian democratic forces, an umbrella organization overseeing many of these young arab fighters the u.s. is training. a spokesman for the arab forces being trained here is critical of u.s. efforts. he says his group urgently needs more ammunition and weapons beyond the few ammunition supplies he says the u.s. has delivered. >> translator: we've been given a limited number of old rifles. >> reporter: due to security concerns, we are not allowed to show details of the base. our cameras are restricted. security is so high here, the u.s. advisers want their faces shielded, but they do want to talk about the training. >> reporter: you're a military advisers here. what do you guys do here? >> we are here training the syrian democratic forces. now, when i say training, generally that's consisting of

basic level weapons training, shooting ak-47s and shooting larger machine guns. >> reporter: their four-star general taking an extraordinary step to see it all firsthand. >> -- have responsibility for this mission. i have responsibility for the people that we put here. so it's impatientive tore me to come and see what they're dealing with, to share the risks that they are -- they are absorbing on a day-to-day basis. >> reporter: even as the arab fighters here patrol the surrounding fields, and stand watch getting ready for whatever their future holds. >> so, barbara, you understand this part of the world, the politics, the dynamics, so well. what did you make of votel's confidence in terms of whether or not this can work? >> reporter: well, you know, this is a four-star general who is very pragmatic. after years in special forces,

he doesn't take anything for granted and he's nobody's cheerleader, i have to tell you. very sober-minded, very much looking at whether the strategy can work. in this part of northern syria you have a number of different groups. you have relatively small numbers of fighters. can they be trained, can they be equipped, can you get them moving towards raqqah and towards these key goals? it's going to take a long time. none of this will happen very quickly. votel in charge of trying to make it happen, but i think one of the key questions now is, will everyone have the patience to wait it out, to get these troops on that road to raqqah, to get them moving against isis? it's all going to be a very long time coming. chris? >> barbara, you've said it. we've heard it from so many people so many times. this will take time and people either don't hear it or accept it, but it always winds up being a problem. will it happen soon enough, the results. and mullah mansour taken out, in

light of the fact he knows they were already meeting to pick the new head, but how significant is this? >> reporter: you know, once we all arrived here in amman, which is where we came after leaving syria, general votel met with the press corps again to talk about that very question, to talk about mansour. he was very clear that he thought it was a good thing mansour was gone that this could be a real step down the road, but nobody's believing the taliban at this point are xac y exactly going away either. all of these things all take a long time to deal with. chris? >> barbara starr, thank you for taking on the rick of this assignment so we could see what wa going on on the ground ourselves. get home safe. >> reporter: thanks. >> incredible reporting from brash. on a lighter note, a battle of the nba titans and league's record-setting champions golden

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state warriors not so golden right now. down two games to one with the oklahoma city thunder. coy wire with more on this morning's "bleacher report." can they do it the hard way, my brother? >> oh, yeah. okc bringing the thump like cuoco. warriors down two games to one in last year's playoffs. the grizzlies and cavs in the finals. not so sure this is the team you want to be down 2-1. thunder rolling. check it out. the kick heard around the world. draymond green fouls. what happens? you'll see it. swift kick to adams. thunder down under. green's called for the flag grant foul. crowd goes nuts. the kick seemed to give okc a boost. a 24-7 run after the shot to adams apples. thunder win.

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reagan white house political director and trump supporter jeffrey lord. gentlemen, thanks for being here. >> good morning. >> thank you. >> what do you think of senator bob corker as a potential vp? >> he could do a lot worse. donald trump could do a lot worse pap guy who is serious, incredibly knowledgeable about foreign policy, liked on both sides of the aisle, but, look, maybe he's the secretary of state. you know? you never know where this is going to go, but i think trump could do a little worse. >> jeffrey, other names floated or out there sort of in the rumor mill spinning around. so we have senator bob corker, who he's meeting with today. former house speaker newt gingrich, jeff sessions, iowa senator, ernst, rick perry, new jersey governor chris christie, of course, "saturday night live" had a good time with that. new mexico governor martinez. ohio senator rob portman and governor john kasich. what do you think of any one of those?

>> well, i personally am a newt fan. i think speaker gingrich would be terrific. you know, it's interesting. think back to the clinton/gore ticket. much was made -- i mean, a little bit of puzzling in the beginning because they came from adjoining states, and that seemed to violet you don't have running mates from adjoining states or the same area of the country, but what sold everybody was their youth. they were both young men. we're not going to have that kind of situation here in 2016. both hillary clinton and donald trump and bernie sanders are not in their 40s. so i'm wondering if we have a, an older ticket, if you will, and just go all the way, and have -- i think newt is 60, 70 years old, he's experienced. he's been around the block, et cetera. but in the end, the fact of the ma thor is donald trump makes this decision. he and he alone knows who's on his list and the rest of us will have a good time speculating it

is fun to play this parlor game, i must admit. go ahead, jeffrey? >> i said, i'd add you to the list. let's go for it. >> i'm looking actually for the top of the ticket. no thank you, to the vp slot. but, matt what do you think of newt gingrich or any of the other people we just mentioned? >> speaker gingrich is obviously brilliant. tons of ideas. sometimes a little, maybe, too many ideas. maybe he and donald trump would reinforce some, you know, problems. you know, in other words, he wouldn't balance the ticket, as jeffrey was saying. look, i think it's most likely somebody like newt, somebody like florida governor rick scott. somebody like joni ernst. i would say if i were recommending it, i would go with someone like a jim webb. you know, a democratic -- former democratic senator or find a high-ranking military officer who was never -- never held officer before but has gravitas and experience, willing to run with donald trump, then you could double down on the

outsider brand, but simultaneously have somebody who brings credibility and experience. but outside of that, how about joni ernst? served in the military. u.s. senator. female candidate. you could do a lot worse than that, too. right? >> okay. >> and -- one of the things i had suggested before, when, earlier in the race, was that it be senator cruz. i think that's unlikely, but my larger point is that i do think that this is important in terms of continuing outreach to the conservative movement. you know, as with the supreme court nominees, to have a vice president that conservatives instantly respond to and say, yeah, we really like this person. >> okay. so donald trump is looking for a running mate, as we know, as well as he's looking for money and donations. so far that has been a challenge. there are reports that over a dozen wealthy donors have been holding out thus far. they had previously donated in the past three elections cycles $90 million to candidates. trump's fund-raising goal is $1

billion. that is a lot. jeffrey, start with you. how do you think it's going to go? >> i actually think that that kind of thing will backfire at this point. when you've got, with the polls show 80%, to 90% of the republican base now unifying behind donald trump, people will come along. elizabeth taylor once said winning an an aphrodisiac and i think that that's going to be the case here. frankly, if they don't want to do this, then they're not going to do it, but i think there will be plenty of other people that will step up. >> all right. here's one of the challenges, matt. this comes from michael block, an investors and gop donor. here's what he had to say about donald trump. he's an ignorant amoral dishon effort and manipulative misogynistic isolationist protectionist blowhard. is that going to be a problem, matt? >> hard to argue with his logic,

but i don't think -- i don't think -- donald trump is going to leave some money on the table. no doubt about it. he's not a traditional republican candidate. hillary clinton is going to tap into the big money the way jeb bush would have been able to tap into the big money. trump can't do that, but trump will have enough money to rahn competitive race, and as i think jeffrey's right. it's not about money for trump. he's going to have message, he's going to have excitement and enthusiasm and be just fine. >> matt, jeffrey -- >> donald trump is a competitive guy. at this point he'll do everything to win. i don't think it's a problem. >> we'll see if the money begins rolling in. gentlemen, thank you. >> thanks. >> thank you. who do you think donald trump will pick as a vp? tweet us or post your comments on cnn.com/newday. and libertarian vice presidential candidate william weld is with us. let's get right to it. we have two candidates who are really very, very strongly

disliked. >> i will be running against donald trump. >> i get 46% of the delegates, and 7% of the super delegates. >> we are preparing for the general election. i'm confident that we're going to be able to unify. >> clearly i favor her opponent. she would not be reappointed. >> i do not want americans to believe that this is a normal candidacy. >> we're not going to be led down the tubes by an incompetent person. >> he is not qualified. we're going to build a wall and make it beautiful. >> round up and deport 11 million people. no. not the united states. >> thank you so much. good day. good night. >> something did happen that caused it to fall out of the sky. >> you don't start with a theory. you start with the facts. >> many signs do point to terrorism. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. good morning. welcome back to your "new day." forget about bernie sanders taking wung for the team. he's ramping up his feud with the democratic establishment.

announcing he would oust the dnc chairwoman if elected. also slamming the party for attempting to anoint hillary clinton. clinton and trump now neck and neck in two new national polls. one of those polls has sanders defeating trump by double digits. meanwhile, speculation building over who donald trump might choose as his running mate. we've got the 2016 race covered the way only cnn can. we begin with senior washington correspondent joe johns. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. it's a sign of the bitter in the race. one of the top candidates suggesting if elected he would get rid of the leader of his party. and then there's that sanders sound bite suggesting americans could be choosing between the lesser of two evils in november, but, look, some of the latest polling does show sky-high negatives for both donald trump and hillary clinton. >> thank you! >> reporter: bernie sanders coming out strong over the weekend against the head of the

democratic national committee, debbie wasserman schultz. >> in all due respect to the current chairperson, if elected president, she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. >> reporter: sanders going as far as backing her challenger for her florida house seat. >> clearly i favor her opponent. his views are much closer to mine than is wasserman schultz'. >> reporter: the head of the dnc responding insisting she'll stay unbiased. saying in a statement, i'll remain as i have been from the beginning. neutral in the democratic party. sanders challenging the establishment. doubling down on charges that the party is unfairly propping up hillary clinton's campaign before the primary contests are finished. >> you had 400 pledged delegates come onboard clinton's campaign before anyone else was in the race. that's called an anointment process. that's called the establishment talking. >> reporter: sanders saying he's the one to carry the party to victory in november. >> virtually every national poll and every state poll, we defeat

trump by larger numbers than does secretary clinton. >> reporter: pointing out the unfavorable ratings plaguing both clinton and trump. >> i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. >> reporter: but quickly walking back that description when pressed. >> is that how you describe hillary clinton against donald trump? the lesser of two evils? >> no. i wouldn't describe it, but that's what the american people are saying. >> reporter: clinton less than 100 delegates shy of clinching the nomination. >> there is no way i won't be. >> reporter: taking a jab at sanders viability on sunday. >> i have been vetted and tested. i don't think he's ever had a negative ad run against him. >> reporter: all eyes on the west coast and candidates get ready for the california primary. bernie sanders spending most of the week there and hillary clinton heading there after a speech in detroit today. chris? >> you touched on a big headline. two new national polls making it clear that clinton/trump could

be the tightest, ugliest race in a long time. a dead heat. clinton at 44%. trump at 46%. that's the "washington post" abc news survey. and in the "wall street journal," nbc news poll, clinton 46%, trump 43%. that's important to remember. later today trump's going to meet with a man some see as a potential running mate. for that phil mattingly joins us. >> reporter: right. senator bob corker. focus on the numbers. trump the numbers have shown improvement. his negatives remarian at historic highs. take a look at this. a negative opinion of trump, the highest in the poll's history. eve in that, good news for the trump camp. negatives improveed by 12 points

since april. this is something his advisers predicted would happen. now, these numbers coming at trump continues to reach out to various crucial blocks that make up the republican party. as well as its top officials. today bob corker, now, the tennessee republican is chairman of the foreign relations committee. this meeting is stoking speculation perhaps the former chattanooga mayor may be in the running as trump's running mate selection. corker is the latest top foreign official to meet with trump. more of trump's need to beef up his expertise in that area. guys, as to the vice presidential selection, trump and his advisers continuing to maintain the selection will be announced in july at the republican national convention. alisyn? >> okay. interesting as the guessing game continues. thanks so much for that, phil. new polling also suggests the majority of americans are not satisfied with trump or clinton as president. 51% in a "washington post," abc news poll say they want a

third-party candidate. music to the ears of our next guest. william weld, vying to be gary johnson's running mate for the libertarian party and he joins us now. good morning, governor. >> thank you, alisyn. good to be here. >> great to have you. so when and why did you decide that this year, this moment, is the time that you should throw your hat in the ring for third party? >> you know, gary johnson and i have known each other a long time. we were both republican governors, two-term governors back in the '90s. knew each other well. we were two highly rated governors in terms of cutting spending. i think he's a hell of a guy. you know, he climbs mountains too high to even think about. he's climbed the highest mountain in all seven continents. i don't know anyone else who's done that. so i'm excited to get together with him. it's not a done deal yet in that we have to get nominated at the libertarian party convention in orlando, which is coming up this next weekend, but you ask why this year.

there's an obvious answer to that, and that's that the american people have woken up to the fact that neither major party has the mix of policy positions that a lot of people between 40 and 50%, even, entertain. and that's fiscally and economically conservative i.e., responsible, but spoesocially includes insolarens. neither party. with anti-abortion, queasiness about gay marriage, rounding up and deporting 11 million people. it's not really the democrats with spend, spend, spend. i was out in 2010, which was a very good year for republicans. >> right. >> you could cut the spending fatigue with a knife, and i think that's back. >> are you motivated at all by donald trump's rise? >> no. i'm most motivated by how great it could be to run with gary johnson and able, both of us, to swing for the fences and say exactly what we think about

every issue and thy there's an opening. you pointed out, 51% are not satisfied with the current offering. that's a pretty big figure. our first task is to get to where we are included in the presidential polls and then to get to 15% and then we would be in the presidential and vice presidential debates. at that point, there's going to be so much attention on the election, that i think in the last three weeks money may be just irrelevant. there's going to be so much media attention. that will be katy bar the door if we get that far. >> so you say your motivation was not about donald trump. your enthusiasm is for gary johnson. you said something controversial about trump's plan to deport immigran immigrants. invoked the bloody mass of crist of nau kristallnacht and what you see

if donald trump's plan would actually go forward. and i'm wondering, could you aspound on that? in other words, you think scores of people would be killed if donald trump tried to deport illegal immigrants?kristallnach breaking windows of the jewish merchants pap shot across their bow. november 1938 kicked off by a polish jew assassinating a mid-level nazi officer a few weeks earlier and on october 28, 1938, hitler deported 12,000 polish jews. considered a big deal at the time. i point out, that was 12,000, not 12 million. mr. trump's plan, as i understand it, round up and deport 11 million people whose papers are not in order here. to me that evokes -- it's haunting. reminds me of anne frank hiding in her attic waiting for the nazi sirens to pass by and

evokes the memory -- not the memory, i was not alive, but the notion of kristallnacht. this was perhaps personal to me. spent five years on the united states holocaust memorial commission and it i think it's important we all remember the holocaust. if we don't we're going to forget. that's a dangerous situation. >> and yet, governor, of course, there is anger in this country at the in-flow of illegal immigrants. what would be your suggestion for how to deal with them? >> you know, i think we've been a nation of immigrants our entire history. people who say we cannot deal with an immigrant population, it just means they're incompetent in execution. >> they say -- make a distinction between illegal immigration and legal immigration. >> no. i understand they do, and i understand that people are and have been coming across the borders. i'm not convinced that they're taking brick layer and heavy gardening jobs that there are long lines of americans waiting up to take, i think.

in sections of that country that undocumented labor pool is something of an economic outlet. i think the country can deal with it without pressing the panic button in saying no hispanics, no muslims. that's just not us, or it shouldn't be us. >> sure. what would be your -- >> hardly a lincolnesque appeal to the -- i was saying, that's not an appeal to the better angels of our nature. >>y a understand. wa would be your suggestion? how would you deal with them? >> i don't think they have to become citizens. i think if they're working here, paying taxes, bearing all the burdens of citizenship. i certainly wouldn't round them up and deport. >> they governor bill weld, great to get your position, and your plan. we look forward to talking to you as this progresses. thanks for being here on "new day." >> thanks, alisyn. thank you. gueet could chris. the latest in the crash of egyptair 804. a submarine is joining in the search for the black boxes and

we know some details about the flight's final moments. for that, cnn's nic robertson in alexandria, egypt. >> reporter: thousands of feet belowiterranean sea the search for egyptair 804 continues. scouring the bottom of the ocean floor, 200 miles off the coast of alexandria, hoping to retrieve the plane's black boxes in waters nearly two miles deep in some parts. >> flight -- >> reporter: this is audio recordings, the tape released. the pilot making this final now haunting call into air traffic control. >> thank you so much. good day. good night. >> reporter: just minutes before falling off radar. >> 8-0-4 bound for -- >> reporter: flight data obtained by cnn indicate multiple smoke alerts occurring near the cockpit minutes before the crash.

the smoke indicators providing a new clue for investigators. was it mechanical failure or something deliberate, like terrorism, that made flight 804 suddenly drop 38,000 feet out of the sky? >> this is certainly an important element in a jigsaw puzzle that has to be fully compiled. >> reporter: a french official telling passengers that no theory has been ruled out. >> we cannot at this stage come up with any conclusions. stop making, how you call it, speculations, without having facts. >> reporter: wreckage found over the weekend, reminders of the 66 lives lost, including a purse, and a child's pink backpack. breaking news to tell you about. president obama making history in vietnam. today in hanoi he announced the u.s. is lifting the decades old

embargo on arms dismissing that it's entering the rides of encountering china when can comes to the road of rocky human rights, arms deals would be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. new this morning, the german drug maker bair is putting its money where it's mouth is days after leading takeover talks the company is making a cash offer for monsanto. ready? $62 billion. monsanto, of course, the big new york -- big american pharma company based out of st. louis. if this move is approved it would create the world's largest agriculture company. this place could make antibiotics and pesticides all of the world's largest supply, under one roof. let's talk entertainment. britney spears kicking off last night's billboard music awards. the pop star who performed a mantra of her hit songs, as you

can hear, received the bill bbod millennium award. among the winners, justin bieber, adele, bust the most talked about moment, a tribute to prince. ♪ in your purple rain purple rain, purple rain ♪ >> still madonna and stevie wonder's performance slammed by b.e.t., that network promising a "proper tribute" during its award show next month. >> what did you think? >> well, i didn't get to stay urp obviously for the whole thing. just watched the britney spears thing. i need to watch the whole thing before weighing in. it's always beautiful to hear "purple rain," but nobody can do it better than prince. >> stevie wonder, legend in his own right. madonna? >> your thoughts? >> style. any stribt a good tribute. you can always have more. >> fair enough.

>> what's not good. >> what? >> malfunctions. not just wardrobes but at the national anthem at saturday night's an diego padres baseball game. take a listen to what happened during the game. ♪ can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last ♪ gleaming ♪ >> a woman's voice, right? the crowd was supposed to be hearing a lip-synch performance by the san diegos gay chorus. they say they are humiliated. apologizes for a control room error and a team member is being disciplined for the mistake. >> that is a malfunction. >> supposed to be singing. that was who was on the field. >> supposed to be -- >> those guys on the field supposed to be singing. instead piped this woman's voice out. >> who was supposed to be

lip-synching? >> supposed to be the choir. >> no piping out of anything. >> correct. >> that's a problem. that's a distinct problem. let's get to meteorologist chad myers for a look at today's forecast and a preview of the holiday weekend. how's it looking, chad? >> it's going to look hot, but we expect hot weather for memorial day. for the next couple days, though, severe weather. 27 tornadoes yesterday. we'll have about 40 today i think. in some spots across the western united states, and the midwest. still weather right now across the red river, but the big story is how things will shape up later on this afternoon. more storms coming out of the west. more storms between the dry errand a the very muggy air across the eastern part of the country. that mugginess will create the thunderstorms the severe weather and maybe bumps in your flight if you're flying today, because it could be kind of a rough go across parts of the southern midwest from kansas all the way down to oklahoma and text, but that's where we expect the rough and tumble weather here for

spring, for tomorrow, same story for wednesday, about the same story. maybe a little less. for your memorial day, here we go. saturday, sunday, monday, new york city. 82, 81 and 80. a couple thunderstorms. nothing to ruin that picnic, guys. looks good. back to you. >> does look good. >> a couple of thunderstorms and everybody is getting excited. >> 80s, i like. >> all right. i'll take it. >> yeah. all right. so the final moments of what happened with egyptair 804. the more data, the more information, the more understanding. we have new details communicated by the plane itself. what do they mean? we'll give them to you in an expert analysis, next. after a long day,

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flight. is that a sign of mechanical failure, an explosive onboard? could probably take us in both directions. let's look at the new information and figure out what's the best way to move forward? we have cnn analyst miles o'brien and terrorist analyst paul crookshank. thanks for coming in. sensors goal off on the windows of the cockpit and reports of smoke in two places. lavatory behind the cockpit and avionics under the cockpit. your take? >> clearly, something was bushing on this aircraft, chris. what kind of fire, where it began, probably in the neighborhood of the avionics bay, right below the cockpit. what started is, is the question. could have been some sort of mechanical malfunction. maybe a problem with some cargo. lithium batteries on there. we haven't seen a cargo manifest, or was it a small

bomb? an incendiary device of some kind? not big enough to blow this plane instantaneously out of the sky but enough to bring it down eventually. >> miles, does it jive with the understanding problem with heaters in the a320s? what this plane was, the airbus 320? >> a known weakness on these aircraft. i don't know if that necessarily was the point of origin here in this case. i think what you saw were a series of breakers tripping, and a lot of it has to do with what circuit they're on or bus, and where the location of the boxes are in the av yaionics bay itse. something to focus on. would that bring this plane down? i am a little doubtful of that. >> brother crookshank, terrorists like to brag. we've heard nothing. what did that mean? >> it might mean it wasn't

terrorism. more than 100 hours into this at this point and no claim whatsoever from any terrorist group including isis. isis has been trigger happy in terms of putting out claims of responsibility quickly. when that russian airliner came down, took it down with a bomb over the sinai peninsula, isis put out a claim of responsibility within five hours and put out all sorts of other statements in the last 100 hours about operations in syria and iraq. one of their top leaders in syria put out a major audiotape over the weekend, but absolutely nothing on this crash. al qaeda in the past has taken a little longer, chris, to take responsibility for some of its attacks. notably, that attempt on that somalia airliner in february, took 11 days, but that was a failed attack. this was a successful attack. if it was indeed terrorism, but we've seen no claim of responsibility so far from any terrorist group. in the social media age, chris,

they put out statements very quickly these days. >> a couple more quick points here to make. the fact that this was one of the plane's vandalized with graffiti in arabic that it was actually one of the planes hit at cars harles de gaulle with t g graffiti does that matter or just a detail? >> a concerning detail. the graffiti scrolled on the plane we're going to bring the plane down, reportedly by airport workers in cairo certainly brings up concern about potential access to the aircraft, sabotage. at this point, in evidence that this is some kind of nefarious act. it could be mechanical. >> miles, the idea a submarine in involved is intriguing and obvious, because they're looking for something deep under the water in the mediterranean. what's the best hope about what it can find and what it can

tell? >> we want to hear those pingers. i haven't heard they've actually heard them. the vicinity, the main body of the wreckage, far as i know, has not been located. presumably it will all be in a fairly condensed area, and you'll be able to find both boxes, the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder, both of which will be very telling. we have a little whahint what w be on the live streaming capability from the aircraft, but the cockpit voice recorder will tell us a lot. one of the things i'll be very curious about, were they trying to issue some kind of mayday call that wasn't heard for whatever reason. >> acars is aircraft communications addressing and reporting system. miles, you know that, because you taught to me. thank you very much, gentlemen, for giving us the latest understanding on all this and, miles, as you often point out, once again we see that a plane does not have the same technology that you and i have

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i think we need a serious discussion about the role of super delegates. clearly the current situation is undemocratic. it is ill-advised, and it needs to change. let me also say this in all due respect to the current chairperson, if elected president she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. >> all right. bernie sanders, as you heard, not happy with the head of the dnc. so he's fund-raising for debbie wasserman schultz' opponent in the primary for her house seat. and a dead heat between hillary

clinton and donald trump. lats to discuss with michael smerconish. good morning, michael. >> good morning. >> okay. so bernie sanders continues to be a thorn in the side of hillary clinton, and now he's actively sort of campaigning against debbie wasserman schultz. what is this in-fighting on the democratic side doing to the race and to the party? >> i think in the big picture, alisyn, it's delaying her pivot towards focus on donald trump. you know the data. donald trump has the benefit of republicans coalescing now around him, in a way, frankly, many of us didn't see happening, at least this soon. why is that taking place? i think it's because he has no opponents out there shooting at him politically speaking. contrast that with the democratic side of the race. bernie sanders continues to be a bur in her saddle. i think he is holding her negatives constant where they are and she's not getting the

benefit trump is getting by having sanders drop out of the ra race by think point. by the way, the financial cost of this i think is also significant, because he's put her in a position where she's got to spend, including in this big state like california in just two weeks. >> the money is real. that's for sure. but are we doing the right thing by calling bernie sanders a bur in the saddle? what die say? the salad? i'm a little suhungry. all of these metaphors we use for him. is that what it is or is there a real division in that party about what it should be about and where it should be positioned in terms of moving to the general, and sanders is doing is that in a way that is a surprise but also it's important. >> i give him great credit. i never anticipated he'd be where he is today. when you go back a year and think about when bernie sanders started the race. >> nobody did. i really don't -- i agree.

>> i think he started it was a message candidacy and is having difficulty coming to terms with the facts that's also where it's ending. with a good message for his party, perhaps, but mathematically, you know the drill. he can't get there and forget the super delegates. he can't get there on the pledged delegates. philosophically i happen to disagree with the argument that says it's an undemocratic process. who are those super delegates? they are individuals who have been elected. perhaps not to be a delegate, but they all face constituencies. they're members of congress and the senate. they're governors. you know the drill. >> talk about striking polls that have just come out with hillary clinton and donald trump neck in neck, closer certainly than probably the hillary clinton campaign. maybe even the trump campaign thought at this point. 44 to 46%. that's the "washington post"/abc news poll, basically it's flipped. clinton gets 46% and trump gets 43% in the nbc news poll.

michael what do you make of this? >> so number one, what i make of it, as i already referenced, is that trump has no opponents. he might be getting a workout from the media, but not a workout from ted cruz or from john kasich or marco rubio. i find anecdotically from radio listeners and my own orbit, social circle, people rationalizing republicans that which they don't like about donald trump is part of the message he doesn't really believe. i find that to be fascinating. and the polling data. i took a close look at the "washington post"/abc surveys. you ask why are trump supporters for him? 53% say, it's not about him. i'm opposed to her, meaning hillary. it's all of those factors and give him credit. he's checking the appropriate boxes that a republican needs to do. came out with that list of judges, embraced the nra. he's falling into line in that respect. >> he is the nation's rejection of the status quo.

that's what he is. that's why people are puzzled by his personal negatives not affecting him the way it would a traditional candidate, because they're looking at him as michael suts in the negative. alisyn has been very good at decoding that for a long time. it's taken me longer. i can't get past the unfavorables of these two candidates. nerver done an analysis. two favorites not favored by people. we've never seen anything like this before. >> i'm in your category. wasn't as prescient and alisyn. >>s hard to be. >> and i -- i believe every one of these faux pas would be the last, going all the way back to john mccain and what i've slowly come to realize, none of it matters. he is the anti-establishment, chris, as you put it, and that's what the constituency is looking for. whether that's a majority, we're still to find out. >> so michael, enter third-party candidate. okay? so with the high unfavorables of both of the front runners.

>> yes. >> at the moment. you know, the american public says they are open to a third-party candidate. just had on former massachusetts governor bill weld who is running for the vice presidential slot of the libertarian party and he talked about his motivation for getting in. listen to this. >> the american people have woken up to the fact that neither major party has the mix of policy positions that a lot of people between 40 and 50%, even, entertain. and that's fiscally and economically conservative, i.e., responsible, but socially inclusive and tolerant. that's neither party. >> do you buy that? >> yes, i do buy that and six in ten americans polled by the "washington post" and abc, alisyn, say they are dissatisfied with both major party choices. i think there is a tremendous opportunity for gary johnson and for bill weld. you know, mitt romney polled 22

prd prd 2% in that poll over the weekend. no disrespect to romney, not 22 p2% hard core for romney, but 22% who don't like what's tat tat tp of the ticket. can they get in the polls? i believe they get to 15% and on the debate stage. the fascinating, perot question is from whom do they poll? more from trump or more from hillary? i don't know the answer to that question, because it's fiscal prudence and social progression. i don't know. >> unknowable at this point. this year is so different. it is unknowable to know if they would be a spoiler or, you know, a true alternative. >> a noble by you or -- for humans like me and michael? >> you two. i'll let you know the answer right after the commercial break. >> if i start questioning you, i don't know what i have left. >> please. the oracle onset knows. michael, thank you. >> have a good day.

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helping us out this morning. appreciate it. colonel, when we look at what's going on here strategically, why does fallujah matter so much? >> well, fallujah is a base of operations for isis in that bag c.a. baghdad. isis is only about 40 miles in fallujah from baghdad. these car bombs have to come from somewhere. a staging area down there. if iraqis are serious about ridding anbar province of isis they've got to take fallujah. it's the key to anbar right now and have to get this out of the way before they can even start up the tigris valley and hope to liberate mogul. this is the next step in the recapture of the northern part of the country. >> you're nodding. from an intel, how does this matter. >> talking about this problem, mid-2014, iraqi forces suffered from the accident of surprise.

remember, isis was moving down, holding territory. but holding territory has down sides for an organization. once the iraqis regain momentum, isis had to control that territory against a conventionally superior iraqi army. the iraqis now have the momentum. they've gained momentum over the last six months or a year and i think isis in iraq and syria is under tremendous pressure in contrast to when they were moving so quickly a couple years ago. >> colonel francona, you taught me something a while back about the importance of holding -- maybe phil mudd was were talking about this as well but i don't want to give him credit, talking about the importance of being able to hold the territory that would expose isis' weak insides, not a true state, dcan't hold, develop, deliver goods and services people need. you take it from there. the u.s. forces or whatever international cooperation there is in place leaves, and then they take it back. so the question becomes, how do

we not repeat the cycle we've seen in northern pakistan, iraq, afghanistan? >> well, that's where the continued building of the iraqi forces is very important. if you look at the force mixture that's going to go into take fallujah, it's not only the iraqi army. it's mostly iraqi police. then you have some iraqi army and we're continuing to use the shia militias. a big problem for the iraqis. every time they use these in a sunni area it creating a big problem. additionally, and we need to also realize that when the iraqi army takes these cities they basically reduce them to rubble. if you look at what tikrit looks like today, what ramadi looks like, all of the infrastructure is destroyed. so isis is going to take a lot of that with it. they're going to leave behind all kinds of boobytraps, ieds, mines. it's a big problem and, yes, iraqis can retake the ground but a long time before it's livable. ramadi is still not back to

having the inhabitants go home. >> the problem. what happens when people don't have a future, opportunity, education, they're much more susceptible to extremism. phil, we heard from a big headline from the president in vietnam taking out the afghan, taliban, mansour and met the next day to ensure a new leader. what, we hurt them or, ah, they'll find a new head next week. they will find a new head next week. i think we're trying to obviously support the political process in afghanistan. as nato including u.s. forces pull back, the afghan military had a difficulty controlling the surge of taliban in provinces. i think despite whatted in that strike, that successful strike a reality check and has been over the next year or two as the afghans try to reinstitute a political process in afghanistan

and to control provinces. that is, the taliban has a lot of support in the provinces. we have to figure out, the afghans, how to deal with them. i don't think we have the capability to defeat the taliban, despite the success of drone strikes like we saw in the past day or two. >> all right. let's take mr. mudd at his word. colonel, i haven't talked to you in a while. give the assessment where things stand today. what is still missing to create the kind of lasting stability that all of this effort is supposed to be about? >> the institutions of a state. the afghan government is not providing the social services that the people need to actually call themselves a country. so there's no loyalty. once you get outside of cobble a kabul and the major cities, no loyalty. the people have to survive. the people providing the services and protection and threats are the taliban. the people are drifting away from the government and towards the taliban. now, what happens in the next few weeks will be critically

important to how, what happens in afghanistan, because if there's no political process underway, this just continues ad infinitum. if the taliban chooses a leader willing to engage in a political process we might seay seesee a . you got the haqqani network, hard lined, i don't see anybody emerging that wants to talk to the government in kabul. >> lieutenant colonel, mr. phil mudd, thank you both. talk about a programming note for viewers. cnn's fareed zakaria investigates why ta radical muslim cleric hates the u.s. watch this clip. >> we call upon muslims around the world to ban the constitution, to ban the

american flag. >> reporter: this man comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. he has been chanked wi echarged supporting isis. >> hypocriting. >> reporter: he's awaiting trial in london. >> i personally hate the american regime and their foreign policy. >> reporter: he faces prison for his support of isis, but he is unrelenting in that support. ♪ never mind the kidnappings, the beheadings, the sex slaves. to this >> there is peace, no corruption, no alcohol, gambling. all the vices which you are used to in america and the rest of the world. this idea that they're raping people, why don't you listen to what the muslims say? >> because, they kill journalists. >> and raping people in islam.

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♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. the crash of egyptair flight 804 is raising new questions about airport security here in the u.s. so, joining us now, he is fresh back from a trip to the cairo airport, is massachusetts congressman bill keating, on the house counterterrorism subcommittee. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, allison. >> before we get to the trip, you are privy to the latest intelligence on this crash. what's the thinking that brought down this plane? >> i think your viewers are

up-to-date. the investigation continues. i was a district attorney before in congress, and supervised criminal investigations. you just follow the evidence. i think your viewers are up-to-date exactly as to what can be revealed and actually, i think, is public now. i think that it's important to realize there's two tracks, the aviation and technological track and then there's the criminal investigation track. both of them are going on at the same time. >> yeah. let's talk about your trip two weeks ago and how relevant it now seems. today you went to the sinai peninsula on a counterterrorism delegation. you went to the cairo airport. you went to the airport in tunisia. both places that this plane had been prior to the crash. what did you see in terms of security in those places? >> there's a reason we went on the week of the russian metrojet and existing threats to the area, particularly the kinds of threats that would be aviation threats from europe and cairo,

which affect us as well as the direct flight to jfk to cairo. we're looking to see how safe the aviation security is there. the jfk flight, we're told by our own people, they had some great confidence in that because they have such control over it themselves. there were some concerns over the aviation security there. now what happened here -- and that trip really revealed another level of terrorism that people don't always recognize. one of the reasons that airlines are targeted -- it's not just the threat and the terror that that invokes. it's also to really deal an economic blow to countries that are not that stable right now. when we talk to president of egypt and tunisia, much of their conversation focused on their economic challenge and the fact that that's created a more unstable position for them and

their administration. when these things occur, it's huge. egypt, for example, in the first quarter of last year, $1.5 billion that they got from these tourism type revenues. that's down the first quarter this year to $500 million. that's over $80 million a month. and uk is not flying into there. russia is not flying in there. the emirates is flying around the sinai. this is a huge economic issue. it's really economic terrorism. >> congressman, what is the answer? what's the answer? if the security is not up to snuff in places where this plane was previously or the airport in tunis and that plane is going to be making a flight then to cairo that then might be coming to jfk, what's the answer for our security? >> well, number one, you have to look at our security independently. but also through the lens of europe. now europe is upgrading their security. it's just april 14th they just began a passenger name record. something in the u.s. that we take for granted.

you make a reservation, it's run across the terrorist watch list to make sure it's not there. they're just starting that in the eu now and implementing it. that's being upgraded. but it really lagged behind because of privacy concerns there. in egypt, they hired a separate corporation to come in there, in december, to try to do, you know, a full review of their security. yet we found that there are things that were still lacking there. we're going to have to up our game with our allies, as well. i put in legislation successfully through, and other people have, to give them assistance. it's not just their security that's at stake. it's ours as well. >> right. >> don't forget that we're seeing more of a flow from fighters. tunisia, we have 6,000 foreign terrorist fighters there. they're moving to libya, moving around. some of these fighters, 20% to 30% that left europe to fight, that came back, they're back now. and they are citizens and they

can fly more easily to the u.s. >> right. and all of that, congressman -- >> their security is our security. >> absolutely. that's what's so disquieting to the american public that wants to fly. you hear 85 airport workers at charles de gaulle airport had to have their all-access pass removed because of ties to radicalization and you're talking about security in places such as africa and the middle east. are you confident today that the american flying public is safe to go to these places? >> well, here is a tip that people should do. if you're flying into a country and you have reservations about going there, call the state department. they will give you information that can guide your decision, to make sure whether it's something that you're comfortable with, something that you think is worthwhile or something that's discretionary and you might not feel comfortable with. that's a big lesson for people flying from the united states. take advantage of that. >> yeah. >> we all have to upgrade our

games. al qaeda is doing so much with plastic explosives, things that can't be detected by metal. they are upping their game. we have to continue to up ours. in the u.s. domestically, as well as trying to give as much assistance as possible to europe. charles de gaulle airport, that's the most secure in the world. now they found out after doing a little scrubbing there, that they found 85 people there. >> congressman bill keating, thanks for all the information and being on "new day." >> thank you, stephanie. we're following a lot of news, including new national polls in the united states. let's get right to it. we need a serious discussion about the role of super delegates. >> we have a process setup that is eminently fair. >> if elected president, she would not be reappointed. >> i will be the nominee. >> i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. >> we're going to make our country absolutely great again. >> there's no evidence he has

any ideas about making america great. >> hillary clinton gets in, i don't know if our country can ever recover. >> you have someone running for president who is afraid to release his tax returns? >> welcome to the hunger for power games. assemble the tributes. yes! >> when i'm in charge, america's going to start winning and winning bigley. >> remember when i told everyone to stop talking about your damn e-mails? [ laughter ] >> what a shmuck! >> we'll be playing some of that later. it's monday, may 23rd, 8:00 in the east. up next, bernie sanders not backing down, the senator slamming his own party and the woman in charge of the dnc. he declares he would oust debbie wasserman-schultz if elected president. sanders labeling clinton the less of two evils and it appears

his bitter primary battle with the former secretary of state may be inflicting damage. >> two new national polls have clinton and donald trump locked in a dead heat. today, trump will be in new york, meeting with bob corker. the question is, could the republican senator from tennessee be tapped as trump's running mate? with that provocative question, we kick off our coverage of the 2016 race the way only cnn can. let's begin with cnn washington correspondent joe johns. joe? >> chris, on the democratic side, it's a sign of bitterness in the race. one of the top candidates suggesting if elected, he would get rid of the leader of his party. and then there's that sanders soundbite, suggesting that americans could be choosing between the lesser of two evils in november. here is what we know. some of the latest polling shows sky-high negatives for donald trump and hillary clinton. >> thank you! >> bernie sanders, coming out strong over the weekend against the head of the democratic

national committee, debbie wasserman-schultz. >> with all due respect to the current chairperson if, elected president, she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. >> reporter: going as far as backing her challenger for her florida house seat. >> clearly, i favor her opponent. his views are much closer to mine than is wasserman-schultz's. >> reporter: the head of the dnc responding, assisting she'll stay unbiased, saying in a statement, i remain as i have been from the beginning, neutral in the presidential democratic primary. sanders further challenging the establishment, doubling down on charges that the party is unfairly propping up hillary clinton's campaign before the primary contests are finished. >> you have 400 pledged delegates come on board clinton's campaign before anyone else was in the race. that's called an anointment process. that's called the establishment talking. >> reporter: sanders saying he's the one to carry the party to victory in november.

>> virtually every national poll and every state poll, we defeat trump by larger numbers than does secretary clinton. >> reporter: pointing out the unfavorable ratings plaguing both clinton and trump. >> i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. >> reporter: but quickly walking back that description when pressed. >> is that how you would describe hillary clinton against donald trump, the lesser of two evils? >> reporter: no, i wouldn't describe it. that's what the american people are saying. >> reporter: 100 delegates shy of officially clinching the nomination. >> there's no way that i won't be. >> reporter: taking a jab at sanders' viability on sunday. >> i have been vetted and tested. i don't think he has had a single negative ad ever run against him. >> reporter: everybody is watching the west coast this week as the candidates get ready for the california primary on june 7th. bernie sanders is spending most of the week there. and hillary clinton heads out west today after a speech in detroit.

alisyn? >> thanks for that, joe. two new national polls have clinton and trump locked in a dead heat, clinton at 44%, trump at 46%. wall street journal nbc poll basically flips that, clinton at 46% with trump at 43%, as trump is set to meet with a possible vp candidate. phil mattingly joins us with more. what have you got, phil? >> alisyn, the republican party clearly cr lly co lly coalescin nominee. 58% of those polled have a negative view of trump. this is something his advisers predicted would eventually happen, these numbers coming as trump continues to reach out to

the various crucial blocks that make up the gop as well as its top officials. today it's senator bob corker, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. his showing up in new york is sparking speculation that perhaps the former massachusetts mayor will be in the running as vice president. certainly an acknowledgement of trump to beef up his expertise in that area. as to the vice presidential selection, trump and his advisers continuing to maintain that selection will be announced in july at the republican national convention. chris? >> all right. let's go back to the democrats here for a second. new polling shows bernie sanders beating donald trump by 15 points head to head. clinton beats trump by just three points on a good day. numbers are banging back and forth. basically they're in a dead heat, trump and clinton. let's hear from both sides, hilary rosen, hillary clinton supporter, and daily beast columnist sally cohen, who

supports senator sanders. sally, let me start with you about these polls. the senator himself saying look at all the polls objectively, we do better against donald trump than hillary clinton. is that a function of the fact that he has not been vetted as secretary clinton pointed out? he has never had a negative ad against him? >> i think that's probably a factor. it's important for voters to realize at the same point in 2008, when republicans had picked their presumptive nominee, john mccain, but clinton and obama were still fighting it out, polls had obama down in comparison to mccain. so, you know, this is still early in the race. it is interesting the way that republicans are now coalescing around their nominee even though massive numbers said they didn't want to be president during the primary. look, all along, democrats have been happy with both their choices. 60%, 70%, 80% saying they would be happy with clinton. this is an alignment of elite

versus populous political moment and sanders speaks to that moment in a way clinton doesn't. i do think that is his strength in the general election. >> what to do, what to do, what to do. hilary rosen, i was sitting with secretary clinton, one of the two things that surprised me -- one, i was surprised she would say that trump was not qualified. usually, she leaves that up to the voters, right, in answer to that question? the other was with sanders. i was making it speculative. the process wasn't over. she hasn't won the nomination yet. she cut me off and said i'm going to win. i'm going to be the nominee. then she spent the rest of the time in the interview trying to qualify that, mu will l. ify sanders and his supporters. how do you balance these two things on the clinton side? >> senator sanders has been saying he's going to win, too. i think that's what candidates need to say. they're projecting confidence. as we know, the math favors hillary clinton. i do think that everything that sally just said is absolutely right.

look, i've always thought that this campaign was going to come down to sort of, you know, in the end 47/47 and both republican and democratic candidates will end up fighting for the middle as they historically have done in presidential election. so, i think what we're facing is a democratic party that is still adjusting. i'm confident we are going to adjust when we get to the summer. >> adjusting to what? do you think it's what you're saying, kohn, this new paradigm that's not left/right? it's kind of insurgency, it's about rejecting the norm? is that what it is? 70% of your party says they think it's all good for you guys what's going on with sanders and clinton. >> i think it's all good. i'm not surehi hilary and i thi it's good for the same reason, or hillary clinton and i think it's good for the same reason. we've had a republican party and democratic party who, for too long, have been captured by a

lead interest, big business and this sort of status quo, right? and, let's be clear, we are increasingly a partisan country. but the parties have been -- and the elites of the parties have been pretty aligned on a number of issues, including friendly business policies, trade deals that help big business and hurt -- >> no question, money wins. >> right? and foreign policy. right? so this realignment that's happening in this country -- which, by the way, didn't just start now. you could say it started with the tea party. remember, it was a movement against bailing out the big banks with taxpayer money. this movement is starting to transform politics and depending on the matchup, it could really come to a head in this election. >> now, i'm going to get beat up for this, hilary. i have to put it in context anyway. as with when senator sanders said if i'm not qualified, she's not qualified, i believe he was responding to something there. he wasn't looking to seed that notion. once again, i believe he was responding when he said clinton is the lesser of two evils compared to trump. i think he was responding to that notion being offered.

i don't think he's the author of it. but that being said, when you have the person you're running against saying that you are the lesser of two evils, that does not speak well of your ability to capture their supporters any time soon. how do you deal with this? >> look, you know, this is still the heat of the primary. i think that senator sanders has to be given a little bit of a leeway on those criticisms. having said that, obviously, hillary clinton is extremely qualified, an exciting candidate for a significant portion. >> you're much more measured today. you told him to stop whining last time you were on this show. much more measured today. have you had a talking to? >> no, i haven't. i've actually come around to this myself. >> oh, have you? okay. >> the irony is that i think many of us have been pretty clear. we want him to finish this out. well, look, hillary clinton is going to be our nominee. and i think three things are

going to be really important over the next three or four weeks. the first is how she and her supporters treat bernie sanders and his supporters. right? so how we mesh those things that sally just talked about in terms of policy, progressive values and ideals for where we want the country to go. the second, obviously, is her vp pick and the third, obviously, is her convention speech. so i do think that these are really key moments. and i think senator sanders is going to get there. i believe that. my problem with senator sanders has consistently been when he attacks the party, as if something has been -- as if he has been cheated, as opposed to if he's just not really winning. and i feel like that's the negative. that's where i went off on him the other day. because i think that sends a very bad message. i don't think he's being cheated. i think that we just have a majority of democrats going another way.

and that's a key issue for me. >> do you wind up, sally kohn, being situated basically like a typical republican voter? i wanted to see how high your eyebrows would pop when i say that. there you go. why i say that, when you talk to republicans about trump, some of them are wildly enthusiastic. others skip right to hillary clinton could not be our president, never hillary. this is our guy. we're going with him. that's for electeds and man and woman on the street. when i ask them about hillary clinton, they're like, trump is not going to be president. i'm all in against him. that's all. do you think it will be like that? >> so there's no disagreeing there is a portion of sanders' supporters who feel that way. i think they are smaller than they've been represented. i think they are very vocal. again, this is the heat of the primary, the contrasts are going to be exaggerated and the truth is -- and so, yeah, there are some who will certainly never support hillary if she is the

nominee. and, by the way, there are some who might support trump. let's not forget even though we tend to think xenophobia and -- >> no party owns it completely. >> no party owns it completely and there's some of that on the left as well. the huge difference is that republicans feel this sort of -- there's a deep ideological tension. this isn't just how far do you move to the left or right? this is deep. on the democratic side, we're talking how progressive should we be? we have two candidates fighting over that and to be honest they agree on more than they disagree on. >> sally kohn, hilary, thank you. alisyn? shot and killed by police after a manhunt. they say zambrano shot and

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here to discuss, cnn safety analysis and former faa safety inspector david sousey and former counterterrorism official phil mulden. french officials released a screen grab of this eight-car system, automated computer system that sends out alerts about what's going on, on board the plane. here you see two troubling things. they detected smoke in the

lavatory. and the avionics near the cockpit had smoke. >> we had no information from this architect at all. now we do. it's something we don't have to complain about. >> this is new? >> we have facts. no, this is something we had. we weren't receiving those signals then because malaysia airlines had a different system. they hadn't paid for the full-blown system. however, this company had. and it's available. we can't ignore it. what we did there, we jumped from the fact that the anti-ice system in the window on the right failed first. only facts we have that point to that is the point of origin. we have to look at that and see it progress from that to another window, eventually to the smoke in the lavatory to the cockpit. then another window fails and that fail means it's over heated and then we get smoke from the avionics. >> you can see how close the

lavatory is to the cockpit. fixed windows, bay underneath the cockpit and the other window that was malfunctioning. david, what do you conclude from just those four data points that we now have from the system? >> i'm unbiased on this. i did go to london to the manufacturer of these windows many years ago to look at these types of failures. that window is laminated. it has a gold layer between it. we had experienced some failures. recently in 2006 that happened again. we started to have these failures. that had been a suspect problem. >> what does that mean, if the window has a failure? it starts a fire? >> it can. these windows, as i mentioned, has a gold layer to heat the window to keep it from fogging up. these things are constantly on and they're creating this. as it delaminates, that metal can start to fall apart inside. when released -- and this is

what's happened in the past, can cause an enormous amount of heat. that heat can then contribute to a fire and cause problems in the cockpit. >> phil, when you hear all this new information, does that get you off the scent of terrorism? >> i think we have to put this all in combination with what else we witnessed. that is, we haven't seen anything that suggested anybody on the flight manifest had a history. that's 15 years of collecting data about terrorists. not a single person came up with a ping. we haven't obviously seen a claim. despite the talk that somebody like a baggage handler might have been involved, we haven't seen anything that suggests that, after days when security services have been pouring through that information. now this data indicates something went wrong on the plane. smoke, heat. it does not indicate, in my mind as a terrorism professional, that someone put a major explosive device in baggage. >> why not? an explosive device would also cause smoke. >> sure, but i would say david would know better than i, that the plane would have gone down

suddenly. somebody either put a device that operated slowly or created some kind of device that slowly built up heat and smoke. that doesn't make sense to me, alisyn. >> what about that, david? >> at 37,000 feet, the pressure differential between the inside and outside of this airplane is at 9 psi or greater than that. the airplane can only stand up to 12. this occurred over two to three minutes. over a certain amount of time would create such increased pressure in the aircraft that it would explode the aircraft or crack the outside of the aircraft, which we've witnessed in previous accidents before. when you look at the laptop that blew up, that was at a low altitude, and that aircraft simply blew a hole out of the side and luckily the only person hurt in that was the person carrying the bomb. that's what happens at low altitude. that is not what happens at high altitude. >> phil, something else very note worthy that we have to take into account. no chatter about this crash.

you say in terms of the people who monitor terrorist communications. so, what does that mean? >> this is really curious. you would expect in the early moments, hours, days after the event that a terrorist group might step back and say let's wait to respond both because we have to confirm it's our guys who did this. if you're operating as al qaeda and isis in places like yemen and syria, you have to -- that's a bombing campaign. we're now beyond that time period, in my judgment. that is, any terror group that would have conducted this would have sent this people to ground and confirmed whether it's people were responsible for this. the number of incidents here that we're talking about that would suggest that maybe this is accident versus terrorism is mounting. i wouldn't make a final judgment but much different than what i would have thought on friday. >> so interesting. let's hope they get those black boxes at some point in the very near future. gentlemen, thank you. let's get over to chris. coming up next, inside syria. cnn will give you an exclusive

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this morning, bombings in syria that kill at least 78 people. training syrians in their fight to reclaim areas taken over by isis. cnn is the only television network to travel overseas with

general joe votel, top u.s. commander in the middle east and he was on a secret mission to syria. cnn's barbara starr joins us with an exclusive report. barbara? >> reporter: good morning, chris. joe votel is the most senior u.s. military official to enter syria during this war. he is working with both arab and kurdish fighters to develop a new army in northern syria that he hopes can take on isis. these are the first images ever shown publicly from a u.s. special operations training camp in northern syria. from here and other secret nearby locations, the u.s. military is racing time to train enough local syrian forces so they can push south towards

raqqah, isis' declared capital. on a day-long trip to syria, we followed joe votel. >> my mission was to meet with leadership in multiple locations and also to meet with our adviser teams. >> reporter: general votel has come to northern syria under extraordinary security conditions. in fact, we've been asked not to reveal a number of details on how we all got here. but votel considers this part of the war a top priority. he is here to meet with the u.s. military advisers that are helping some of these local troops that you see work to defeat isis. votel went to multiple locations. we've been asked not to disclose, meeting with key local leaders in the syrian democratic forces, an umbrella organization overseeing many of these young arab fighters the u.s. is training. a spokesman for the arab forces

being trained here is critical of u.s. efforts. he says his group urgently needs more ammunition and weapons beyond the few ammunition supplies he says the u.s. has delivered. >> translator: we've been given a limited number of all rifles. >> reporter: due to security concerns we are not allowed to show details of the base. our cameras are restricted. security is so high here, the u.s. advisers want their faces shielded. but they do want to talk about the training. you're a military adviser here. what do you guys do here? >> we are here, training the syrian democratic forces. now when i say training, generally that's consisting of basic level weapons training, shooting ak-47s and shooting larger machine guns. >> reporter: their four-star general taking an extraordinary step, to see it all firsthand. >> have a responsibility for this mission. i have a responsibility for the

people that we put here. so, it's imperative for me to come and see what they're dealing with, to share the risks that they are absorbing on a day-to-day basis. >> reporter: even if the arab fighters here patrol the surrounding fields and stand watch, getting ready for whatever their future holds. now while we have significant security restrictions on us to protect the identity of those special operations forces on the ground, i do want to share something. the security team of military personnel that accompanied all of us into syria and back out again was some of the most highly trained, most elite forces that this country has. their identities could not be revealed. i also want to say working with those security constraints, our own photo journalist, abdullah, did an amazing job of bringing us all these pictures of

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43%. let's bring in political analyzist david gregory. are you more impressed, my friend, by how close it is or how high the unfavorables are or both? >> i think both. one thing that stands out is the consolidation that you see that trump has experienced, which i think is confounding to so many of us that have watched this and seen how split apart the republican party has been only to see this massive consolidation behind him, even when you've had all of these conservative types and party types, like paul ryan, expressing real doubts and reservations about him. the high negatives, we understood certainly about him and about hillary clinton as well. that part is remarkable. and i think it's striking because we know it's only going to get worse. the opportunity for them to turn that around is pretty difficult. there's not a lot that is unknown about them. there's not a lot of opportunity for them to try to emilurate

their public standing. >> washington post gives them 53% unfavorable. now let's look at trump, washington post/abc, 60% and wall street journal/nbc 58%. >> bernie sanders, however long he has been in the senate, is taking advantage of the fact that he is an unconventional candidate in an unconventional year. he complained about strength, vis-a-vis hillary clinton, even though she's on the inside track of the nomination. he has not really been roughed up in the course of this primary

fight. his positives/negatives reflect that. he has a who are positive image. look, he is still in this fight against the establishment, against the democratic party, against the rules of the super delegates. all of which is an accurate argument on his part to say it's a process that favors the insider. of course, he knew that going in. >> we know we caught you right before you begin your zumba class at home. so, i don't want to -- >> i have the mat out here. i'm ready to go. >> i don't want to keep you too long. >> we don't want to see what you're wearing from the waist down. >> there's nothing else for me to ask. >> there's lycra. >> good for you, he is blushing. i didn't think that was possible. he has some bike shorts on or something and they probably have initials on them. let me ask you something. trump's negatives have actually come down in this poll. they're actually higher. now, does that suggest a

trending in your mind that maybe he will get stronger as people get more exposure to him as the alternative? >> yes and no. the yes part is that he has an opportunity to get stronger, you know, the more he moderates certain views, the more he can reach different constituencies that might be impressed he's coming off as a more serious candidate. he showed those trend lines improving as he gets out of the nastiness of the primary fight. he's also going to be open and vulnerable to clinton attacks now, both from the clinton campaign and from her super pacs, who will try to go at him really hard. this whole business of the poor donald trump. why doesn't he release his tax returns? to really make the argument from their point of view that he's not everything he claims to be, that he's not as successful as he claims to be. if you go back to 2012, look what was done to mitt romney early in the race on capital,

chipping away at his image of a successful businessman, there's no doubt that the clinton administration -- rather the clinton campaign wants to strike early to drive those negatives up and not let trump do what he appears to be doing, get more popular, appear to create a new image for himself within the republican party. >> so, enter a third party candidate. we had former massachusetts governor bill weld on, talking about why he thinks this year is the right year for gary johnson and he, himself, to enter. listen to his motivation. >> the american people have woken up to the fact that neither major party has the mix of policy positions that a lot of people between 40 and 50%, even, entertain. and that's fiscally and economically conservative, ie responsible, but socially inclusive and tolerant. that's neither party. >> david, this year, of all other years, is it possible, given the unfavorables of the

two front-runners that the third party will not just be a spoiler, but an alternative? >> i think it is hard for them to be anything other than a spoiler. i also agree with governor weld. this could be the year. i go back to the presidency with ross perot. there's similarities in the arguments and unconventional appeal. that's something to look at. one of the questions is -- you see it in some of the polling released over the weekend. there is this willingness to consider a third party candidate, a high percentage. but do you have enough republicans and even democrats who feel so disaffected that they feel they've got no other home? they don't want to fall in line. they've got no other place to go besides some kind of protest candidacy. there may be enough sentiment to pull that off if they can actually get on the ballot, which is rather difficult unless it's done rather quickly. >> david, thank you. you can get back to your

pilates. >> i have to keep up with cuomo and get in the regimen. >> please, aim higher. you know, we're not really that funny. who are funny are the late-night comedians. we keep saying never seen anything like this certainly at night we've never seen anything like this. we have the best of the best, next. but with nexgard, their flea and tick killer doesn't have to be. nexgard, the vet's #1 choice for dogs, is a delicious, beef-flavored chew that kills both fleas and ticks. so it's easy to give, easy to take. reported side effects include vomiting, itching, diarrhea, lethargy and lack of appetite. use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures. why mess around? for powerful flea and tick protection, ask your vet about nexgard. the #1 choice of vets for their dogs and yours.

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steltzer. you see it every night. >> how has there ever been a better setup for this? it's ideal this year, crazy race with some really broad candidates. >> so what do you make of what they're doing with the opportunity? what do you see there in the range of offerings? >> there's been a lot of criticisms, actually. rye, bill? >> yeah. >> not necessarily standing out the way jon stewart would have. >> a lighthearted approach than the passionate approach of jon stewart. >> and stephen colbert relatively new in his job. you wonder if it's immune to comedy because it, itself, is so funny or so farsical. >> especially with trump. a target of derision for such a long time. how do you make it new? >> it's so hot right, john oliver. >> is it an oxymoron, by the way? >> i don't think it is.

he has found a way to do journalism but in a funny, musing way. >> the donald trump segment that got so much play. watch this. >> one ancestor had changed it from -- this is true, drump, getting blinded by his name. don't think your name is donald trump. think of it as something else. >> that got huge buzz. went viral. >> 25 million views. it took off. called a trump takedown. clearly it didn't have much of an impact. >> could there be? >> that's because what we're not seeing, to give stewart his due, is it was funny but it was insightful. >> yes. >> as opposed to just being funny, just being mocking, just being entertaining. >> that's one of the big things. and i think i anticipate a shift when it really gets into the --

i do. i think there will be much more targeted stuff. if you watch seth meyers, for example, he does his "closer look." >> we do have it. >> he -- >> this is about whether or not donald trump was mas masqueradi about his own pr publicist. >> the only way john miller could be more obviously fake is if he was three 10-year-olds standing on top of each other in a trench coat in which the fake john miller would have had the same size hands as the real donald trump. >> funny but it's not like an evisceration. >> no, but watch him night after night. he calls him out. i don't think you'll see trump on his show. >> he has gotten serious the way john oliver has. >> yeah, he's smart -- let's make this a little more spicy. i would say that i will take a

seth meyers and maybe a colbert over an oliver. i don't buy the investigative comedy thing. >> why? >> he was right about drumpf. i think he's just snarky, nasty funny. i don't think he's teaching you something. >> the drumpf thing, he looked into it. nobody new. >> accurate, true, but not investigative. he probably went to ancestry.com or something. it doesn't make people understand things differently the way a stewart did, seth meyers could and colbert also. >> jon is on once a week on hbo, not as potent as a guy coming at you night after night at night. >> if he were on every night we would not be as impressed. >> right. >> liberals, in particular, miss jon stewart in this election. where is the comedian that's having fun with the democratic race? i don't see the more conservative or even middle of the road -- >> lot of fun with bernie certainly. >> and hillary. >> they have a take on hillary. power mad take is really

effective. >> she almost got me, by the way. i sat down with the secretary, just like tina fey did to me with sarah palin. for a second when you sit down, i have this snl skit so in my head that the first answer or so, you have to shake it off. you're not messing around here. lock it in here. >> it permeates. exactly. >> it has an edge to it. that's what we're going to see, a shift to a little more edgier stuff. that's what i expect, anyway. >> we shall see. great back to look back at the laughs with you. "newsroom" with pamela brown in for carol costello picks up after this very quick break. >> remember when i told people enough with your damn e-mails? it's more than a nit's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other

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