spouse. >> my god, they're multiplying! >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. and thank you for joining us. see you back here tomorrow. ac 360 starts now. good evening, john berman in for anderson. if you thought the general election would be a blowout, you might want to think again. if you thought it would be a popularity contest, you really better think again because popular these candidates are not, historically not. as for the head to head matchup, new polling evidence that the race between donald trump and hillary clinton is close could reflect the fact that the primary is essentially over. however, questions of likeability and trust, the answers speak volumes about how close this could be. in addition to that, we have breaking news on donald trump's many changing positions on guns in the classroom. he just called into cnn a short time ago with yet another new one, that's coming up.

but first, polling. chief national correspondent john king here to break it down by the numbers. two polls showing donald trump very strong in general election. how significant is this? >> on the one hand, john, you can make the case, not that important, this is over. and we see evidence the republican party is unifying, not completely, but significant unification of the republican party, while the democratic race goes on. bernie sanders being increasingly tough on hillary clinton. she hasn't had the consolidation he has had. you could say not that significant, see what happens when the democratic race is over. you could say it is a national poll, it is in may, we elect in november, state by state. but there's some significance to this, john. donald trump's position improved dramatically from a few weeks ago. "the washington post" poll up a little, statistical tie, "the wall street journal,"

statistical tie. unmistakable, don't read too much into this, but if you're mr. trump, you like this. you look better than say a month ago. >> trends that matter and they matter quite a bit. there are things inside the poll that could matter, positions like donald trump's refusal to release his tax returns. any evidence that voters care? >> yes. this is important. one of the reasons trump is performing better in the poll, independent voters are swinging his way. see if that holds after the democratic race is wrapped up. independent voters drive this, should donald trump release taxes. among registered voters, 6 in 10 say yes, 34% say okay with me. so mr. trump, if he wants to keep that improved standing with independents, we will see how it heats up. otherwise, it is an evenly matched race. if voters pick experience or temperament, hillary clinton wins. if they pick on the economy, mr. trump has a slight advantage, that's a statistical

tie. honesttrustworthy, neither can be proud of that. i think this is the defining issue, which candidate can define people pull the lever about. >> another interesting dynamic, two things voters don't like in this election, donald trump and hillary clinton. wildly historically unpopular. >> look at the numbers. one way to look at it by the numbers. abc, "the washington post" poll. 4 in 10 view them favorably. nearly 6 in 10, matching. what's that tell you? they're viewed unfavorably, unpopular. makes it hard to change the numbers when viewed so negatively. you think of zero if you're even. if you're 50/50, you're even, bernie sanders plus seven when you add and subtract. hillary clinton, 20 points underwater on popularity. donald trump 29 points

underwater when it comes to favorable rating. number one, they don't like the candidates. look at this from the nbc, "the wall street journal" poll. would you consider independent or third party candidate? the orange, coral, no. high in january. higher in april. look now. more and more people above 40%, close to 50% are open to looking at a third party candidate. does that mean they'll still feel that way in november or think a libertarian or some other option is a viable option, we don't know. this has people looking for a third option. >> worth watching going forward. john king, thank you so much. randi kaye is looking at this from a different and fascinating angle. voters that say they don't like donald trump but psychological testing reveals their unconscious minds are saying the opposite. that's what the researchers claim. do you buy it? stay tuned for that report coming up. meantime, co-chair joseph

barrel ee, tara setmayer, and david gergen, and "the new york times" reporter alex burns. david, i want to start with you. clinton campaign, staffers, say they've taken donald trump seriously for a long time. say they thought it was always going to be tight. a lot of clinton supporters you know are surprised looking at the polls showing a tie. >> they should be. i think she's still a favorite to win the presidency, but she should be running scared. very scared. we thought a few weeks ago this might be a blowout, trump might be another goldwater, '64, against lyndon johnson. johnson had 60% support from june all the way to the election. goldwater never cracked 40. this is no goldwater, looks like a tight race, a lot of twists and turns. right now, it looks closer than anybody thought. >> the fact that it is not barry goldwater, that it is close now,

i know it is just me, but it matters. among other things, it could bring fund-raisers off the sidelines, donors that are reluctant to get in may say if he has a chance, i'm getting in. >> maybe. but historically polling in may has been very unpredictive. a professor at princeton did an analysis. said polls are off. a lot of things can happen. maybe it is people going into the summer, people aren't necessarily paying attention, primaries are still going on. what really matters, these are snapshots in time, how people feel now. donald trump is winning. he locked up the nomination. hillary clinton is still in a battle. people are thinking well, donald trump doesn't look so bad. we haven't seen the onslaught of the hillary clinton machine focusing on donald trump and people paying attention which

happens in the fall. whether you have debates and we don't know what will happen then, that's where you need to pay attention to where the polling is. >> alex, two things voters say they don't like are hillary clinton and donald trump. historically negative numbers for both presumptive nominees, or donald trump, likely presumptive nominee, hillary clinton likely headed into the summer. what does that mean for the campaign going forward. >> john, first of all you aren't going to see either of them run away on a message with uplift like we saw from barack obama in 2008. i think what's interesting, sky high negative ratings obscure the fact that they're disliked in different ways. if you drill down in some polls, hillary clinton is seen as not necessarily a trustworthy person, donald trump seen as someone who lacks temperament to be president. if you look at hillary clinton, the most surprising number is the number on the economy, democrats look at trump's plans

such as they are, his message, say give me a break. i think you heard that from hillary clinton in public. see how voters respond to himt, he clearly has a message on the economy that people do respond to. >> he is favored on the economy, she's favored for the middle class. there's something perplexing there. >> if you're the clinton campaign, the reason for optimism is end of the day, will the majority vote for somebody they don't believe is qualified or has the temperament to be president. haven't seen people do that in the past, seen voters do a lot of things. >> does the public think they'll support someone untrustworthy. if we had the same panel two weeks ago, would never think to see the numbers donald trump posted. this is a second phenomenal week in a row for trump, after the nomination last week, this week with this.

disastrous two weeks for hillary clinton. the republican party has come together and put guns on the democratic party. the democrats are in overpriced robots. can't figure out how to row the same direction. you'll see another two weeks of disaster for the clinton campaign. she can't lock it up before june 7. >> what does the clinton team do, is it the taxes, which polled poorly, or we heard from hillary clinton going after trump's bankruptcy and the casino. she said how can anybody lose money running a casino. is she trying out different things? >> trying various lines to see what sticks, where she can draw a little blood. i think she can continue, she needs to needle and get in his head. the best issue is the taxes, he has to release them before he finished. who knows what's in there. this will be a deepening issue,

one that's not going to go away. but i don't think she can win the election on the strategy of just going after donald trump. she has to find a running mate to take the argument against trump, be the pit bull. she has to get to what about the future. what does she offer for the future and convince people she will create jobs and better economy. i don't think she has done that. >> she absolutely has to do that. the number in this poll which i thought was interesting is 58% of the people polled said donald trump is unfit to be president, unqualified to be president of the united states. if she's going to beat him, she has to include an economic message. that's what the bottom line comes down to for states like ohio, pennsylvania. which are important to the electoral college and that's what's important. donald trump's position on

guns in the classroom versus his position on guns in the classroom. and breaking news, he has another position he phoned in. and later, the search for the flight black boxes. was it terrorism or deadly technical failures. the latest from our experts ahead on 360. i take pictures of sunrises,

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turns out donald trump and america's greatest poet have something in common. walt whitman wrote do i contradict myself? very well, i contradict myself. i am large, i contain multitudes. trump might say huge, but like whitman contradicts himself. the proposed ban on muslims in the country which he says was just a suggestion, sometimes in the space of a day, recently on guns in the classroom in the space of 20 seconds, tonight he did it again. start at the beginning. here he is friday speaking to national rifle association. >> we're getting rid of gun free zones, okay? i can tell you that. we're getting rid of them. thank you.

thank you. that wasn't part of my speech, i must be honest with you. >> a day later tweeting in response to hillary clinton he amended that blanket statement to include schools. crooked hillary says i want guns in the classroom, wrong. sunday he was saying no, and yes, and no, and yes. >> she talked guns in classrooms, i don't want to have guns in classrooms, but in some cases teachers should have guns in classrooms because teachers are, you know, things that are going on in our schools are unbelievable. you look at some of our schools, unbelievable what's going on, but i'm not advocating guns in the classroom. remember in some cases, a lot of people admit this, trained teachers should be able to have guns in classrooms. >> contradicting himself in the space of 20 seconds. late this evening, another twist. he called into cnn adding the

school resource officers should also be armed and he backed away from his blanket call to eliminate all gun free zones, saying they would only be eliminated in some cases. the whitman poem is "song of myself." back with the panel. councilman, you are donald trump's co-chair. what's his position on guns in the classroom. >> 15 seconds. start in new york state. governor cuomo passed the anti-gun legislation. donald trump made a name in the political arena speaking against that legislation. i think his position being pro second amendment has been fairly clear. as far as guns in the classroom, look, it is a practical idea to have training officers. >> is he in favor of guns in the classroom. >> he doesn't want students carrying guns women ee nil ee, teachers if they're trained, maybe a past profession, trained

safety officers, maybe they should be armed. that's a practical position that people in the country care about. guns themselves are an important issue in politics today. one-third of american households of gun owners. you speak about demographics that donald trump can't wrap his head around. think how important gun owners are in a swing state like ohio. four times the amount of gun owners as hispanics in that state, so when you talk about how he needs to makeup ground, yeah, he is doing untraditional things to makeup ground in these states. >> tara, unconditional or confused? >> it is demagoguery. the gun issue is one that's not going to hurt him. what hurts him is that he switches positions and no one knows what he actually believes. one point says the campaign is against this gun act in new york, on the other hand praises president obama after newtown that had changes he wanted to push through executive order, concerned the nra proponents, so

no one quite knows where he stands. guns in the classroom issue i think is something minute that's not going to hurt him. hillary clinton is terrible on the second amendment. this is something i think is a winning issue for donald trump, even though he is changing it. that's what he does for the audience he is in front of. >> despite what difficulty he has honing in a position, if you're gun rights, unlikely you would support hillary clinton. >> absolutely. i happen to be pro gun control, i have been stunned by how many times trump has contradicted himself on big issues like muslims, taxes and so forth, but i think he is getting a bum wrap on guns in schools question. i think he has been saying the same thing, stumbling over it, not being articulate, but there's a big difference between saying no students can bring guns in school. we are going to have some people who are going to be armed in schools because it may save some

lives, i don't think that's a contradictory position. his solution, i don't necessarily agree with it, i would like no guns in schools, but if you're going to have armed guards, we have them in other places, you know, let's be realistic. i don't think it is a contradiction what he said tonight from yesterday, from what he said two, three days ago. >> alex? >> i think one of the challenges of covering the campaign is that he does take so many scatter shot positions. almost feel the burden is on you. it is important to resist that impulse. the councilman is saying maybe he is referring to former police officers. you can see it coming 10,000 miles away, the position the democrats run against are the most disadvantageous positions

he has taken, even if he has taken a different one ten seconds later. this is what makes republicans nervous and makes democrats excited at the same time as they're frustrated on flip flopping, when trump sort of free styles like this, the point where he is going to ultimately get pinned down, it is going to be -- >> abortion, that issue, he talks about prosecuting those that get abortions. david, want to talk independents. donald trump is leading with independents, 12 or 13 points. that's a lot. >> it is. it will be a worry some result for people in the clinton camp. she needs those independents. i think this guy has capacity to do something she can't do very well. i think she can't change who she is very easily because everybody will say it is not authentic.

he can change over time, morph, people say he is growing, becoming more presidential. i think he has a chance to clean up his act. i think he has to clean up his act. all of the off the cuff comments and snide things and narcissism, he has to pack that away. how he becomes presidential and remains donald trump that collected all of the support, i don't know. that's a balancing act. >> i want to get one other political note in. word that terry mccauliffe, virginia governor and close friend and fund-raiser to the clintons is under federal investigation. officials say the public integrity unit of probing campaign finance, whether donations violated law. part of his work was time on the clinton global initiative. officials that told us about the probe say there's no evidence that the foundation did anything wrong. he was not notified he is under investigation. he is promising full

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as we have been discussing, two new polls show donald trump and hillary clinton in a matchup. both candidates are fighting an uphill battle when it comes to likeability. they view trump and clinton more unfavorably than favorably. that's what polls show anyway based on what people told them, but what if what people say about political candidates doesn't tell the whole story. what if their brains say something different? randi kaye is looking into your brain on politics, people study this stuff. it is fascinating. >> reporter: could it be your unconscious brain chooses

political candidates for you? dr. drew westin and joel wineberger say yes, they designed a test showing how it happens. >> we create a list of associations that fit the presidential candidates and then we present them in different colors and tell them pay no attention to the words, pay attention to the colors. >> what we see, you see a moment of them getting caught, getting stu stuck, they can't move. we know in the brain, a good bit about the circuits where it happens. >> reporter: here's how it works, 15 words, likeable, bigot, scary, flash on the screen in different colors. voters are told to click on the color that matches the color of the word, the color, not the word. when the word leader appears in yellow, click on the word yellow. if likeable appears in red,

click red. the longer it takes them to click on the color, the more the experts say their brains are associating the word with the candidate. >> so if they have a strong association with that word likeable say with hillary clinton, they'll linger longer? >> talking like hundredths of a second or two. yes. >> reporter: they studied 750 voters nationwide, found their unconscious brains hardly associated hillary clinton and donald trump with the word likeable. words strongly associated with clinton were scary and presidential. trump's strongest associations included bigot and leader. >> he says i can do, i can succeed, i'm great at everything. >> reporter: and the brain picks up on that. >> exactly. >> reporter: we wanted to do our own test. we gathered ten voters at emory university. results were intriguing. before the test, we asked the group, made up mostly of democrats about trump. >> what don't you like about

donald trump? >> everything. >> reporter: that explains why we were all so surprised when their test results came back showing their unconscious brains felt very differently. >> donald trump, his strongest association among the group, are you ready? likeable. >> how? >> reporter: it is right here, folks. likeable. who is surprised by that? what's going on in their brain that the two candidates think they don't like turns out to be likeable to them. >> even if consciously you don't like a word he says about immigrants or about muslims, you're often left laughing, and laughing means you're left with some residual positive emotion. >> reporter: for trump, the second strongest association among our group is keep us safe. >> what he said, what he

reiterates. >> reporter: do you think it is engrained in some of your brains? >> yeah, make america great again, build walls, keep it safe, no muslims. >> reporter: just as interesting, the group of clinton supporters strongly associated clinton with not qualified and poor judgment. this group didn't even find her very presidential. it was nearly at the bottom. even scary was more strongly connected to her than her campaign would probably like. >> the republicans have been trying to paint her that way for in excess of 25 years, and it has just been engrained in us, like the study shows. >> reporter: in the end, the test results left our group shaking their heads, vowing their unconscious brain would not win out in the voting booth, but our experts have their doubts. >> what a lot of data suggests is that if you're strong supporter of somebody, then what's knocking around in your brain unconscious will not have much effect. if you are somewhere in the

center, that's where it has a very big effect. >> reporter: the most interesting campaign just got more interesting. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> your brain on politics. pretty intriguing. just ahead. new developments in the mystery of egyptair flight 804. the search intensifies in the area. two subs are combing two miles deep as they step up efforts to find out what happened to the doomed flight. at red lobster's create your own seafood trios you can try something new with every bite.

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more breaking news. moments ago, donald trump told fox news he still believes that egyptair flight 804 was brought down by terrorists. investigators have not made that determination. in fact, they made a point of saying all possible causes are on the table. tonight there are new developments. france has sent a sub to search for wreckage. an egyptian submarine began to comb the two mile deep search zone over the weekend. as in all plane crash investigations, finding and recovering flight and cockpit data recorders would be critical to determining what brought down the airbus days ago. the investigation is also

intensifying on other fronts. french authorities are, quote, pouring over surveillance video to see who had direct contact with the luggage before takeoff. this could include hundreds of airport workers. egyptian authorities continue the investigation as well, asking france to provide information on the flight before it departed charles de gaulle, including audio recordings and video. the same plane was once the target of political graffiti according to "new york times." the words we will take this plane down were printed on the bus two years ago. egyptian authorities played down any of that, saying it was vandalism, not terrorism. >> investigations in these cases are based on facts, based on procedures and these procedures doesn't include statement that has been written on a plane. >> reporter: search teams found

chairs, life vests and this purse. human remains were recovered, and they're asking families to provide dna to identify victims. search crews are scouring the water for the bulk of the wreckage, looking also for crucial black boxes which likely lie on the ocean floor. >> we get all of the necessary equipment needed to continue this search. >> reporter: an egyptian submarine started its sweep and the french military sent in a remote piloted sub to help. french vessels are equipped with an acoustic probe. batteries on black boxes last about 30 days if there's no significant damage to them. terrorism is still a leading theory, though still no one claimed responsibility. some of the last words of the pilot are heard on air traffic control recordings.

the captain mohamed said shoukair sounds calm. the plane fell off the radar in the hours after these words. >> thank you so much. good day, uh, good night. >> joining me faa accident investigator, and david soucie, richard quest, and national security analyst and assistant secretary for homeland security, julia kiem. moments ago, donald trump says he is convinced it was an act of terrorism that brought down the plane. that's not what investigators are saying now. they're saying they don't know. and the black boxes are always crucial to the investigation. right now it may be the only answer anyone gets. >> you would be horrified if any of us sat on the set and said it was definitely terrorism. you have to put it on the table and say the circumstances as it looks at the moment means it is

a real possibility, and nobody would deny that. with the acar messages, satellite messages showing faults, showing fire or smoke in the lavatory, smoke in the avionics bay, failure of the computers, one has to put mechanical failure back as a realistic option. there's no other way around it. >> it is very much on the table now. >> has to be. there can be 1,001 ways smoke incapacitates the plane and eventually takes it down. i agree with you. nefarious activity, bomb, terrorist is a possibility. >> miles, we are learning about the aircraft itself. the egyptian ministry of civil aviation show the aircraft had to make an emergency landing in 2013 when one of the engines overheated. what does that mean? how crucial is the fact of an engine overheating on past flights? >> it might well be an entirely

different engine hung on it when it went missing, i wouldn't put too much into that. engines overheat, engines are maintained constantly, if they're doing the job properly. an airliner is put through such a rigorous maintenance regime. we haven't seen the records, but assuming they followed basic rules of operating an airline, what happened in 2013 with an engine, what was going on on the night it went missing, really i wouldn't try to connect the dots. >> important to check things off the list as we go through the investigation. david, associated press is citing the head of egypt state run provider navigation services saying the plane did not swerve, did not lose altitude before disappearing off the radar which contradicts what we heard from greek officials earlier. so if it did not make wild turns, 90 degrees to the left, 360 degrees to the right, what does that mean to the

investigation. >> at this point the only thing that told us if it were true and if it is true is if there was a fire, it would have been -- and miles brought this up before, too, this would be a classic maneuver to get out of the air waves, you don't want to drop in the same air wave, you might hit oncoming traffic. it would make sense because of the fact it was primary radar, primary radar is not that reliable, particularly when close to 200 miles from the coast. >> juliette, still no claim of responsibility from a terror group, after isis claimed responsibility and had stuff to say about other things, no claim of responsibility here. how surprising is that? >> it is surprising. look, we have to view this as a normal investigation in an extraordinary circumstance which is information and data points

will lead different directions. mechanical failure, pilot error, weather possibly or a bomb or terrorism. the certainty you hear from trump is just politics. the investigations have to go forward. they go forward with facts. you owe it to family members. they want to know what happened, also in a lot of cases, think about it. d.c. sniper, oklahoma city, atlanta bombing, a lot of cases what we thought, who we thought was responsible was not the person or entity responsible. you want it to follow facts, not intuition. >> we are getting more data points. couple years ago, there were words painted on the aircraft, spray painted on it. we will bring this plane down. egyptian authorities say it was just a coincidence, more likely vandalism and terrorism. what do you think? >> for me i am on the coincidence side. the reason is twofold.

one, a couple years ago, a lot was going on, had a revolution, counter revolution, coup d'etat. but secondly, if this is terrorism, terrorists act on opportunity, and to create a design two years ago to pick that plane, imagine everything that would have to go right. if you want to bring down a plane when you have the opportunity and capability, it is not because you rode on a plane two years ago. >> miles, richard and i were talking a short time ago, richard was saying one of the most troubling periods right now in the investigation is that several minutes when the plane may have been smoking, may have been smoke inside the plane, that's what acar says, yet there was no may day call. this is the source of confusion in the investigation. what do you think? >> it is a hard one to get through when you're looking, going purely down the road of

some mechanical fault leading to the event. when you look at almost every event in previous aviation history involving a fire on board, there's been repeated calls from the crew, frantic calls in many cases, value jet, swiss air 111, you name it, what happened that made it impossible for them not to make the call and if in fact radios went bad in the course of the event, why didn't we get a line on that satellite transmission indicating there was a problem with the radios as well. we didn't see that. is it possible they lost altitude and were out of range suddenly of the radios? it is amazing to me in the 21st century, we rely on vhf radios to talk to and from air traffic control. >> thank you so much. up next, finding egyptair flight 804 is one thing, bringing it to the surface, something else entirely. we're going underwater, show you how difficult this task is. the e-class has 11 intelligent driver-assist systems.

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including the black boxes. once found, steps will be taken to get it to dry land and hopefully find out why it fell from the sky. recovering it from the sea is not easy but has been done before. once again, here is randi kaye. >> reporter: this is what it looks like trying to recover an airplane in the ocean. you're watching the u.s. navy salvage team gather pieces of twa flight 800 that went down off new york in 1996. here divers are maneuvering among pieces of twisted wreckage. >> the u.s. navy has actually recovered an intact helicopter from about 17,000 feet, they have the capability, they've done it before. >> reporter: retired navy captain ship mccord has been involved in at least 50 ocean salvage operations, including twa 800 and swiss air flight 111, which crashed in 1998 off the coast of nova scotia. those were in water much shallower than the mediterranean sea, but the navy has remote underwater vehicles designed for

deepwater salvage operations. they can go as deep as 20,000 feet, but the deeper the recovery, the slower the process. >> takes about an hour for every thousand feet that you need to descend. if you go to 11,000 feet, count on 11 hours to get down. >> reporter: at those depths, it is pitch black, so the vehicles are equipped with lights and cameras and outfitted with sonar to scout for debris. they're steered by two operators on board the ship above who use instant feedback from the salvage vehicle cameras to direct the robotic arms. >> they can hover, move left, right, forward, can carefully hover over a piece and pick it up if needed. >> reporter: remember the france flight that crashed in 2009. two years later an unmanned

vehicle found the debris field for the flight, 13,000 feet beneath the surface. the engines were pulled from the ocean floor. >> if it's small like the black boxes, you can put a basket on the rov and the arms can pick it up, put it in the basket. >> reporter: but the remote underwater vehicles can only carry 4,000 pounds. anything heavier like a large piece of fuselage has to be attached to a cable and pulled to the surface by a crane on the ship. keep in mind, this could be happening miles below the surface, an incredibly difficult task. no doubt, salvage teams will be looking for the black boxes belonging to egyptair flight 804 hoping to get much needed answers first. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> thanks, randi. one of the theories are that isis or a terror group brought down egyptair flight 804. just a theory. just ahead, why they hate us, a

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in the downing of egyptair flight 804. at the top of the hour, fareed zakaria brings a special report on radical islam, what sparked the hatred against the west, and what, if anything, can be done to stop it. the special report is called "why they hate us." in a moment, my interview with fareed. first, look at the exchange he had with a radical cleric who hates america. >> i'm surprised you believe something like freedom of expression, freedom of religion. these things sound nice, where is freedom of religious expression in guantanamo bay. did you hold that up as an example of liberty and democracy? the american way, american life? >> the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims, it

intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government elected twice by the afghan people. >> fareed, you spent too much time in the cnn world. in the real world, the people of afghanistan hate the americans. >> it is determined by polls, not by what you say. polls overwhelmingly show as do two elections. >> no. you live in hollywood in some make believe world. >> i come back to the simple proposition if the groups you seem to support from al qaeda to isis were as popular as you claim, why do they hold elections, why do they go around murdering, slaughtering, raping, forcing people into submission? >> islamic radicals claim that u.s. foreign policy is at the root of hatred of the united states of the west, but the core issue is not that simple, is it? >> no, it isn't. if you think about it, the united states had an activist expansionist foreign policy in

many parts of the world. why are there no vietnamese terrorists, despite the vietnam war, no cambodian terrorists, despite bombing of cambodia. something is going on in that part of the world in the middle east which has conjured up these radical forces. it is important to remember these people don't just hate the united states, they don't even just hate the west, the vast majority of people there killing are muslims, they're killing people in iraq, in syria, in mali, somalia. there's a real apology here mostly vented at their own people, their fellow muslims. the united states in some ways does come into play because it supports some of the regimes they hate. there's a symbol of modernity, but there's a much deeper kind of breakdown of civilization taking place in the arab world.

>> fareed zakaria, thanks very much. >> thanks, john. >> "why they hate us," the exchange with that cleric is fascinating, like nothing i've seen before. thanks so much for watching us. here is fareed zakaria now with "why they hate us." hatred so deep. it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed. >> terror on our soil. >> it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> again, this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> better