much. >> thanks, john. >> "why they hate us," the exchange with that cleric is fascinating, like nothing i've seen before. thanks so much for watching us. here is fareed zakaria now with "why they hate us." hatred so deep. it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed. >> terror on our soil. >> it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> again, this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> better picture this morning of the man accused of now

murdering 13 people. >> why do they hate us. >> what did we do to the islamic world? >> americans are asking why do they hate us. >> emphasis on the last word, us. why do islamic terrorists hate americans? 15 years after 9/11 we're no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> so what are you waiting for? you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle. but who are they? how many? and are they multiplying in a new deadly form? >> in the beginning, tomorrow washington, it will be new york,

it is coming. >> inside schools. young children are being taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country because terrorism is front and center. >> that fear has paved the way for a new voice in this country. >> the next president of the united states. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on! it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers, it's going to get

worse and worse, folks. >> trump's message has lead some americans to say who cares why they hate us, we hate them. >> who's bombing buildings? who's bombing airplanes? not the christians, not the jewish, not the buddhists, it is the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> we have training camps, they want to kill us. >> they're not going to be happy until they take over this country, we have to be under sharia law, and i am not going to bow down to them. >> americans are understandably angry and afraid, but with fear turning to hate, we need answers. it's literally a matter of life and death. when you ask a scholar deep in the subject, he makes an important distinction. >> why do they hate us? >> if you take "they" as being

muslims, they don't hate us. you talk about they as a narrow small group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question. >> we call upon muslims around the world to ban the constitution, ban the american flag. >> he comes from that small group of extreme radicals. choud re has been charged with isis. he is awaiting trial in london. >> i hate the american regime and foreign policy. >> he faces prison for his support of i didn't see, but unrelenting in that support. never mind the kidnapping, the beheading, the sex slaves, to choud re, the islamic state is paradi paradise. >> there's peace, there's no alcohol, gambling, all of the vices that you're used to in

america in other parts of the world don't exist over there. this idea that they're raping people, why don't you listen to what the muslims say. they will deny these things. >> because they kill journalists, that's why. >> raping people in islam. >> they kill journalists, mr. choud re. >> these could be my last hours. >> isis murdered 23 reporters in the last two years. among them americans james foley, steven sobbing lof. >> let me get to the nonsense you say about the peace and brotherhood. how do you explain that people are fleeing the islamic state? despite documented evidence of tens of thousands desperately fleeing isis, choud reclaims there are more arriving. >> the people are coming into the islamic state. by the way, we have videos of christians, i can't see eat ees

embracing islam. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> then the flood gates open with the reasons why he says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, freedom of religion. they sound nice, where was freedom of religion and expression for people in guantanamo bay, tortured in abu ghraib, was that freedom in practice? bet you loved that, didn't you, did you hold that up as example of liberty and democracy, american way, the american life? george bush flushed it down the toilet, said we can flush it away because we are talking about terrorism. >> the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims, intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government that's been elected twice biy the afghn people. >> fareed, i think you spent too much time in the cnn world. >> the real world is determined by polls, not by what you say, and polls overwhelmingly show it as do two elections.

>> you're living in hollywood, some kind of make believe world. >> i come back to the simple proposition that if the groups you seem to support from al qaeda to isis were as popular as you claim, why do they hold elections? why do they go around murdering, slaughtering, raping, forcing people into submission? >> for a moment i thought you were talking about guantanamo bay, you talked rape, torture, oppression. obviously you're not talking about that. >> choud reremains me of marxist idea logs i met in my youth that can explain away anything to justify their belief system. anger at america is deep. what is striking is that america remains the obsession, so many of whom have never been here.

so what happens when a jihadi are one of us, are the reasons he hates us the same? >> to muslims in america, i have this to say. how can you have loyalty to a government leading the war against islam and muslims. >> no one slammed security officials more than and war al awla awlaki. >> wanted by u.s. authorities. >> helped plan attacks on the united states. >> he is the driving force behind virtually the worst terrorist attacks in america since 9/11. >> we are facing you with men who love death just like you love life. he is an american, born in new mexico, educated at colorado state university. how influential is he?

tsarnaev wrote about his teachings as he laid bleeding in a backyard boat waiting to be captured. >> reports of multiple victims. >> one of the san bernardino killers, the husband, farook, watched his sermons for years. >> what we know now, the deadliest shooting of a military base. >> and then murdering in texas. the underwear bomber tried to blow a plane out of the sky over detroit under orders from awe lack ee. here's the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the attacks, he was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capital. he was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam,

"the washington post" did a story about him. >> there's always this association between islam and terrorism. one that is not true at all. islam is a religion of peace. >> but gradually, it is possible to see the beginning of his disenchantment. >> anger seems to come out of nowhere. there are reasons for this. the fact that the u.s. has administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in iraq. >> no one seems certain when he became a full fledged jihadi. he never cites his religion when he speaks about why he hates us.

>> everybody come outside, this way. >> his reasons are about american foreign policy, so-called war against islam that jihadists speak of. the fbi began to monitor. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> would you say awe lack ee is as severe a threat today as bin laden? >> probably the most significant risk to the u.s. home land. >> there's one important fact about anwarral awe al awlaki, he is dead. an american drone strike in 2011. but here's the most frightening fact. he is still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror he

inspired happened after his death. the san bernardino killings, boston marathon bombings. he is on the internet right now literally thousands of his videos just a click away. >> you remember the good old days when americans were enjoying blessings of security and peace. >> the man is dead, the message is not. yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. the united states has for better or worse waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists. and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in the world of islam must lie somewhere else, somewhere deeper. some say it comes directly from the koran, but is the muslim

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9/11, 77 in london, mumbai, boston marathon, san bernardino, paris. now brussels. all perpetrated by muslims, all done in the name of islam. raises a question, the obvious question, is islam an

inherently violent religion? ask a critic of islam and then ask an honest muslim reformer. you will get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it is time to stop saying this isn't about islam. isis is uber islamic. uber islamic. it is time it is said. >> next time a bombing occurs, and god knows it will, the first thing you'll hear from the mouth of a moderate muslim is no, please don't understand, islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true. most of the people doing the bombings and beheadings say they're doing it in the name of allah. and they cite versus from the koran. >> we are men honored by islam. >> the question triggered a shouting match on bill maher's

hbo program. >> why is that the mother load of ideas. >> they want to go to the store, get some sandwiches. >> wait, wait, wait. >> you paint the whole religion. >> let's get down to who has the right answer here. a billion people you say. all of these billion people don't hold these beliefs? >> no, they don't. we will come back to the point about the numbers. let's look at the text. it contains versus that contain intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brimstone. but look at the bible on the same subject in leviticus. if a man has sex with another

man, kill them both. both holy books have passages recommending murder for nonbelievers. this verse in the koran is the one isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those that disbelieve, therefore strike off their heads. >> a knife will continue to strike the next of your people. >> but the same belief that guides isis also appears in the bible, in deuteronomy, the leaders are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. two holy books with violent passages with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in the koran. >> it is being manipulated, used. >> points to one colorful example of manipulation in a famous koran story. >> the koran promises a martyr

in the name of islam, 72 virgins. is that true? >> it is not true. >> she says that several scholars studied the original text came to a startling real station. >> nowhere in the koran does it promise 72 virgins, 40 virgins, what it promises as far as heaven goes is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated. the original word that was used in the koran was the word for raisin, not virgin, that martyrs get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisins. imagine the terrorists who expected something completely different.

>> the story illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas, but it also reflects a growing new reality, the violate jihadists that carry out terrorist attacks often know little about islam. >> many cases they're pelt ee criminals, dropouts, unemployed, many cases drug users who never had anything to do with religion, have no religious training whatsoever. >> you probably know it better than me. maybe you studied. >> they're ignorant of religion and latch onto radical islam as a way to act out their alienation. >> these brothers fit the profile. these are the isis killers partying at a high end nightclub in brussels. saleh was the master mind of the paris attacks. brahim blew himself up in paris. it is easier say some to brainwash recruits who are not

religious. former radical told "the new yorker" for purposes of recruitment, having no background in islam is actually an advantage. he is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> i am pointing out that the faith itself has the raw material, has the element for a change. >> there's another famous koranic story. a father's two sons convert to christianity and leave home. the father asks the prophet muhammad to bring them back, but muhammad declines saying there's no compulsion in religion. >> the book itself can't speak. it is we muslims that speak on its behalf. there's a beautiful passage in the koran, one of many beautiful passages that states god does not change the condition of the people until they change what is

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figure out what turned this couple into mass murderers. >> the wife in the san bernardino terror attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized? >> we all looked at her and asked how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and then proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom. there's a way to understand this because you can draw a straight line from tashfeen to the roots

of radical islam. let me explain by going back to the beginning of the story. bizarre though it may sound, today's radical islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1949. the place was greeley, colorado. "baby it's cold outside" was playing on an old gramaphone at a church dance. an egyptian student attending a local college happened to stop in. he was a deeply conservative muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of what he calls the animal like mixing of the sexes, the halls warmed with legs, lips met lips, chests met chests. the worst sight of all he said, the outline of women's breasts

in tight sweaters. his he his essay about his time here became known in the arab world. he hated everything about american culture, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> his views on america are terrifying. they're terrifying because they're narrow, they're racist, he resented the way men and women interact in society. he resented the nature of american materialism. >> by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments trying to westernize their economy, society and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the united states.

he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of egyptian president. he had become a rock star among budding radicals, even as arab regimes were jailing and torturing his followers. >> we are muslims. >> in the jails of egypt and other arab tyrannies was born al qaeda. he was read and revered by osama bin laden, and war al awlaki. then in 1979 radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution.w. then in 1979 radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution.w.

then in 1979 radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution. enraged by the american rule, popular protest drove him out. angry mobs seize the american embassy. for 444 days the united states watched helplessly as americans were held hostage. >> there are indications tonight that a large number of armed shiite muslims -- >> at exactly the same time, november 1979, cataclysm, take over of the great mosque in mecca, a holy site, stormed by insurgents backed by the saudi king. these events were like rocket fuel for islamic they had taken control of iran

and in saudi arabia the monarchy makes a fateful decision, it decides to appease the ultra conservative clergy who preach puritan cal, intolerant interpretation of islam, giving them free reign to run schools and mosques and oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it is hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on this planet that hasn't been touched by the ideology. >> remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world of muslim, the muslim world. >> the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam. but look at this interview with

one of the most powerful men in saudi islam, the former imam of the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis, he says. we share their ideology. but we express it in a more refined way. >> that ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia from the mosques. >> remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia, so did osama bin laden. and one more person who is from saudi arabia, tashfeen malik. >> she came from pakistan, moved to saudi arabia. >> so malik lived in saudi arabia and pakistan, and to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology?

pakistan. it's saudi funded mosques preach a message much like the saudi ideology of was hobism. tashfeen malik, the san bernardino killer, is a product of radical islam globalized. up next, a crucial question. when we ask why they hate us, how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> they say at most 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right when we return.

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if you believed everything you heard about islam on certain cable news channels, you would have good reason to be afraid. >> we need to kill them. >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are we talking about. the world has 1.6 billion muslims. how many are we talking about? >> 300 million people ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us to smither evens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can that really be true?

donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> 25, 30% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace has told the frontrunner the facts. >> they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right, trump is wrong. scholars and experts agree, the number is between 1 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how do they come up with those results? simple math. they add up estimated membership of all islamic terror networks worldwide. that works out to around 1-100th of 1% of muslims around the world. despite the consensus, the myth

persists. >> saying 253 million would like to go to war against us? >> look at the pew poll that came out recently. >> we did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by pew that brought any relation to trump's claims. in fact, the pew research center sent us a statement that says it has not issued a survey saying 27% of muslims who go to war with the united states, nor asked a question of muslims about going to war. but there are some pupew polls with findings that are troubling. 80% of muslims that want sharia as law of the land told pew they also favor stoning as punishment for adultery. 56% favor death penalty for those that leave islam. >> i mean, we may be appalled by

certain regressive beliefs, but they're just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> but can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon, or writing a book, or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> responds with an analogy from america. >> the christians of the westboro baptist church believe god hates homosexuals, and as a result of that belief they picket the burial ceremonies of american soldiers who died

overseas. now, christians in the united states believe homosexuality is a sin and share that believe with the westboro baptist church but would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are essentially the same because they share one fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam, counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway like the book of mormon, it is currently unthinkable to produce such a play on the topic of islam. >> the hit broadway musical roundly lampoons the salt lake city based religion. >> what do they do? they took out ads for mormonism in the program, which is an adorable response. no one that produced that play lost sleep over whether they might be killed or hunted for

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hamtramck michigan, a story as old as america. a century ago, polish immigrants settled here. it became known as little warsaw. preserving the traditions of the old country in a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. ♪ >> this time, the immigrants are muslims from yemen, from bangladesh, from bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had

historic significance for that community and the country. >> one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes that are going on, so i'm leaving. >> church bells collide with the call to pray. restaurants cater to separate groups, different cultures now living side by side. there have been rough spots, but hamtramck has gradually begun to make its new reality and new government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag. >> we have a chance to show the world how to work together to solve problems. >> but then the calls started coming in from the rest of america. >> going to block muslims, try to do this, people are going

crazy. >> no sharia in america. >> many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i didn't say i hate them, i'm just saying we don't need them here. >> they'll never dominate the united states. i pray to god it will not dominate texas. >> sharia law has never been established in any city in america, and no one wants it less than the muslim americans in hamtramck. >> we don't believe in that. we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i was put in this country to come here? i don't think so. >> this community activist said his family fled yemen in search of the things all americans want. >> we came here for better life, better security, better future. that's all we came here for. always carry the american flag

everywhere we go. >> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds. he came from america from pakistan at age 16 pennilepenni today he is a billionaire. he owns an nfl team the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. the list goes on, but middle eastern scholar says it's a list

you won't find in many other western countries. how many people on french television. home people we elite rolls are grandchildren or great grandchildren of immigrants. the united states? we have people who are important in the media, whose faces look different than ordinary americans, yourself for example, there are very few french faces on america television. of sha ririsharia. 1 percent of america is muslim. most americans don't know muslims so it becomes easy when confronted with extreme acts in the name of islam so conflict that with mainstream every day

islam. we would never make that mistake with radical interpretations of christianity because we live in a country that's 70% christian, we are much more likely to forgive the extremes within our own trieb than we are in our other people's tribes. >> up next, my thoughts on why they hate us.

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the next time you hear of a terror attack no matter where it is, what the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself it is muslims again and you will probably be right. in 2014 about 20,000 people were killed worldwide the vast majority perpetrating were muslims, but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead were muslims. islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west, they

hate the modern world and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear, while the jihadis are few, there is a larger cancer within the world of islam of backwardness and extremism and intolerance, most of the countries that have laws that restrict the laws of free -- most are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain in the 14th century that the world was add vavanceadvanced, they a that it can change. islam after all has been around

for 14 centuries. it is the same religion then and now, so what is different? it is not theology, it is politics. radical islam is is it product of the broken politics and stagnant economics of countries, an ideology that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere in europe and even in some rare cases in the united states. so how to end this. there's really only one way, help the majority of muslims fight extremists reform their faith and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines. many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis. the hundreds of muslims reformers i have spoken to say their tasks are made much harder

when pundits condemn islam entirely demean their face and speak of them as backward an suspect. here is another way to think about this. in america african-american make up about 13% of the population, yet about -- of serious offenders, i hope we understand when we see a black man on the street we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal it would be dehumanizing unfair and racist, people should be treated as individuals and not a stereo type from a religious ethnic group, remember, the cab driver, that drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with

islam islamic -- it is what they hate about us. we might as well live up to our own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria. thank you for watching. you just saw a special report "why they hate us" the questions he races may decide our elections. i'm going to talk to muslims who are for trump. i'm don lemon, americans could face a choice of two most disliked candidates in our country. donald trump and hillary clinton in a dead heat although in ones like this