that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. "ac 360 starts now." good evening, thanks for joining us, donald trump just wrapped up an event tonight in billings, montana, after locking up the republican nomination earlier today and going over the 1237 delegate line, he erased any serious notion of a never trump movement and took one step closer to the white house. tonight the reaction both here and around the world to his numerical triumph as well as his

on going attacks on a string of powerful women, including the republican governor of new mexico and the democratic senator he calls pocahontas. also the offhand remark last night on late night tv that could turn into a debate with bernie sanders. also his vice presidential possibilities and secretary clinton's strategy for trying to defeat him in the fall. a big hour tonight starting with trump unplugged at a press conference talking about many of those things after securing the nomination. watch. >> i am very unhappy when i look at the world of radical islam. obama could never come up with a solution. number one, he's incompetent and number two the solution is never going to be out there for him. we'll start rebuilding our military. we have no choice, we have no choice. it's not like, oh, gee, do you want to do it. we'll make our military bigger, stronger, better than ever before. the problem with debating bernie, he'll lose. his system the rigged just like our system is rigged? >> elizabeth warren seems to have made it her job -- >> who, pocahontas? i think she's as native american as i am. that i will tell you.

but she's a woman that's been very ineffective other than she has a big mouth. hillary clinton, she's worse than obama, she actually openly said i want to put the coal miners out of business. i've gone solar on occasion but it's a very, very expensive thing. wind is very expensive. if you go to various places in california, wind is killing the eagles. if you shoot an eagle, you kill an eagle, they want to put you in jail for five years yet the windmills are killing hundreds and hundreds of eagles. one of the most beautiful, most treasured birds and they're killing them by the hundreds and nothing happens. >> donald trump earlier today in bismarck, north dakota, which is where we find cnn's jim acosta. donald trump not tempering his attacks on hillary clinton or elizabeth warren today. what's the latest tonight? >> not at all. anderson. as for hillary clinton, donald trump took note of the fact that the political experts were predicting his convention in cleveland would be the one that would be messy and contested and

he was delighting in the fact that it's hillary clinton that has the fight on her hands and said she can't close the deal, as for elizabeth warren you heard during the sound mashup he once again referred to the senator from massachusetts as pocahontas. i can tell you because i was in the press conference anderson, it was at that moment when a native american reporter shouted from behind me "that's offensive." she took offense to that comment and then donald trump later on said about elizabeth warren when i asked him that he would be open to debating the massachusetts senator. so in addition to preparing for hillary clinton in thefall he's open to debating bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. it just shows you what an unprecedented election cycle we're in right now, ander john? at his rally in mississippi that just wrapped up, anything particular jump out at you? >> you know there was one comment donald trump made that goes to show you is he is full of confidence. he said at one point he doesn't want -- that wall he wants to build on the mexican border to

be named after him. he would rather have his own statue in washington, d.c. and he was joking, he said he would be happy to share one with thomas jefferson. anderson, we were in the dakotas today so it's surprising me didn't make a claim for mount rushmore but i guess there's five months to go. >> whether it's securing the nomination, feuding with elizabeth warren or new mexico's republican latina governor or possibly debating bernie sanders, eagles, you name it, a lot to talk about tonight. joining us is former congressional black caucus director angela rai. 2008 clinton campaign advisor maria cardona. lieutenant governor andre braugher. former romney campaign strategist stewart stevens, a trump critic, so is amanda carpenter, former communications director for senator ted cruz. andre, welcome to the program. you hear donald trump, a reporter yelling out that's offensive. is it appropriate for donald trump to be calling elizabeth

warren pocahontas if native americans are saying that's offensive? >> clearly it's not how i would conduct business but i haven't been a presidential nominee. he's gotten further than i could have ever gotten so i don't think i can question what he's doing because it's working for him. >> is it appropriate? there's stuff that works but does it work as a president? would it be appropriate for a president trump to -- >> anderson, i would have thought by now he would have gotten more moderate but the frustration level is out there and he probably understands the temperament of the folks. johnny lunch bucket is what i call that individual and there's a person in the middle that's not a republican, not a democrat, watching your show, some news show, frustrated, looking for answers and someone that has backbone, which trump does and most politicians will say whatever it takes to not offend anybody and court that fine line and he said i'm going to own what i believe and people were refreshed by it even if they don't believe it. if you don't believe, that look

at south carolina where the evangelical community voted for him which shocked me. i supported him way back in the middle of february, i was early on. those folks said there's a bigger picture here and we won't be a single issue candidate, we won't pick a single issue candidate this time. the nation is at a point where we feel we need somebody that has backbone so i think people are from r freshed by it. >> yesterday you were talking about him going after the latina governor of new mexico that strategically made no actual sense. does it make sense for him to continue to go after elizabeth warren? >> i don't know what he gets out of it. it is offensive that he calls her popocahontas. the nature of a civil society is that we recognize differences. america was founded on this idea of a meltin pot. donald trump wrote a book in which he claimed to be swedish when he's of german ancestry so if anyone has a legitimate claim to not owning up to their heritage it's donald trump. but if you here in the eighth

grade or something and you call someone else pocahontas, a teacher says "don't do that." >> if you're ceo of a company -- >> you would be fired. so i think one of the greatest dangers of trump is the idea that he might normalize a speech and an attitude that as group in america we have decided is unacceptable and it's not about being politically incorrect, it's about being rude and offensive. >> that's what's interesting because he's now labelled any time you challenge him on saying something like that, well, you're just a slave to political correctness which it does sort of -- it's an effective argument among his supporters to cancelling out any kind of speech which is offensive to large populations in america. >> he delights in labelling people and there's something interesting going on the way he's going after elizabeth warren, susanna martinez. you name it.

donald trump is functionally operating as an independent -- even though he's the presumptive republican nominee. he does not care about party labels a at all. that's why you see him blasting the republican governor of new mexico. you see him blasting whoever it is at any given point in time, he is forging a new path forward and i think it's intentional he throws out pocahontas so we get distracted by what he's doing and how he's campaigning look at that press conference today. aside from pocahontas it was the most presidential he's been. he took a number of questions on energy policy. he strangely said that he thought the united states government should get a cut in the profits of the keystone pipeline. i don't think this idea has been heard of before. so we should look at the poli policies he's proposing. we get hung up on pocahontas but i want to pay more attention to the policy. >> yet he has clinched the

nomination. >> he has. if i told you a year ago we would be sitting here and he will have clinched the nomination and hillary clinton would still have her nomination fight going on i don't think anybody would have believed that. amanda, i hear what you're saying and i agree he has forged a new path. yet he has been spending the last few weeks as the presumptive nominee trying to piece together every faction of the conservative coalition, meeting with evangelical leaders, reaching out to henry ti kissinger. he has spent time in trump tower trying to get people on board who have been reluctant to come on board. he realizes that consolidating the republican party since he is the nominee is critical and seeing that consolidation is what has him in a competitive position. >> i think he's building relationships with people. they're not necessarily based on policies. we've been promised he's going to give speeches on judicial nominations. he didn't do that.

he threw out a list that was compiled by other republican lawyers that he said were suggestions. he's not binding himself to anything. he's not making promises but it's a big deal he's holding the meetings. >> maria, the idea of a trump/bernie sanders debate which jimmy kimmel asked him about. it seemed to catch him by surprise, he said donate money to charity, his campaign seems to have walked that back saying it was a joke. bernie sanders seems to embrace this idea. would like to make it happen before california. if it did happen big if, would that hurt hillary clinton? would it sideline her? >> i don't think it would but more importantly i don't think it will happen. can we believe anything donald trump says? he says he would do this debate, he wants $10 million dollars for it, anderson, is cnn going to put up $10 million? i don't know any of organization that would do that. but more importantly it focuses on is frivolous nature of the

things that donald trump puts out there and he does it, i agree, to distract us because i think it's a distraction because he doesn't have any real policy proposals to put out there and to frankly -- you know, he's been on the attack for elizabeth warren, to hillary clinton certainly. he has not proven he can meet her on the battlefield of ideas and i don't think this is somebody -- this is not having a backbone, andre, and appreciate you are not out there completely defending these obviously offensive remarks. this is being a bully point blank and that's very simple and i think a lot of americans understand that they have a choice to make and the problem that donald trump right now even though he is consolidating republicans he's going to have to do more in order to win the election. he'll have to do more in terms of getting support from these demographics -- >> andre are you concerns as a

trump supporter about the lack of specificity on his ideas? we've been talking about this fr from long ago but the same thing he's talking about, building a wall, i'm going to do great things for the bets but there's not a lot of specifics. at this point in the race are you concerned that there will never be more specifics? >> i think he's reading the tea leaves brilliantly. he's neck in neck in all the polls we see and he hasn't had to tell you anything. >> i'm not contesting an idea that it's smart in terms of running a race. i'm wondering in terms of a person who could be president, does it concern you? >> we'll all know where he stands or it will be defined. we don't even know who his opponent is yet and so so to use that media time right now when you have him on every hour on the hour, why would he give out the nuggets of what he intends to do so they can be challenged?

>> he's been promising he would. >> what is donald trump most noted for? a ban on all non-american muslims coming to the united states which if you think about its, a religious test to enter the united states. so muslims are about one quarter of the world but it's not just muslims, you have to prove you're not a muslim so you're going to stand at heathrow and prove your religion before you can come to the united states. >> it makes no actual sense. it's impossible. >> it's the most fundamentally un-american idea and he'll get mexico to pay for a wall does anybody believe mexico will pay for this wall? i'd like them to stand up. it's an absurd idea. >> i want to get angela in but we have to take a break. she beal the first one we come to after the break. having heard so much about how donald trump sees the world. we'll take a closer look at how the world sees donald trump. for many countries he is as president obama says today rattling world leaders. is that true? we'll look at that.

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hi...doing anything later? the quiet type. i like that. armor all original protectant. don't be dull. welcome back. people are trying the words "president trump" on for size seeing how it fit their notion of what a president should be. speaking today, the g7 summit in japan, the current office holder weighed in on what he's hearing from other world leaders about donald trump. >> they're rattled. and for good reason because a lot of the proposals that he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude or an interest in

getting tweets and headlines instead of actually thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe and secure and prosperous and what's required to keep the world on an even keel. >> as you can imagine, donald trump didn't let that go unanswered? >> when you rattle someone that's good. because many of the world, as you know, many countries in our world, our beautiful world, have been absolutely abusing us and taking advantage of us. if they're rattled in a friendly way we'll have great relationships with these countries but if they're rattled in a friendly way, that's a good thing. >> question for the panel tonight i guess is, is it really? first, cnn clarissa ward sets the global stage. >> reporter: at first, candidate trump was the subject of international fascination and even amusement. but it didn't take long for the

maverick contender to start ruffling feathers. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> international condemnation came in thick and fast. mexico's former president compared him to hitler. a saudi prince called him a disgrace and china's state run newspaper denounced him as big mouthed. the list went on. headlines warmed of doom if he became the republican nominee. "madness" blared the cover of j germanys der spiegel. >> i think his remarks are wrong and if he came to london the, we'd unite against him. >> today london's mayor, a muslim, called his views on islam. >> his views are ignorant. he's inadvertently playing to

the extremists hands by giving the impression that western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream islam or that there's a clash of civilizations. >> still, he has one fan internationally, russian president vladimir putin who has called trump "an outstanding and talented personality." >> what's interesting is that since trump became the presumptive republican nominee, the rhetoric from overseas has softened considerably and we're likely to see that continue as world leaders nepal with the real possibility they will have to deal with a president trump. >> clarissa, thanks very much. more on that process but also the notion that adaptation, changes, one bottom line fact. the world has never seen a candidate like this one. angela i can hear trump supporters watching that piece

saying you know what? good, every time they hear der spiegel is upset people who are trump supporters say that's not a bad thing. >> to the point today at his press conference he said it's good world leaders would be rattled by his presidency. here we have a president who a nobel peace prize winning harvard law review first black guy to do that. brilliant, talented lawyer and i see all of what's been accomplished going down the tubes. it actually is -- to me i think we are the laughing stock of the world. the fact is this is the republican nominee. shame on the republican party. the fact that this is someone getting this attention in our country, shame on all of us. to that point i have to -- anderson, i have to go back to what we were talking about before the break. this isn't about making johnny lunch bucket okay and comfortable there his ignorance

and bigotry. i you have every responsibility. a call to action to take people beyond their comfort zone, beyond where they are. that doesn't mean we don't address their fears and tell them it doesn't mean we propaganda push and blame folks who aren't responsibility for their conditions. a responsibility of a commander-in-chief is to offer them in a way that makes sense with the policy agenda and he can't do that. >> andre, i want you to respond. >> i can take up the rest of the time. first off, last time i checked, most of the countries around the world don't respect us for the last eight years we've had. we're not winning a popularity contest. >> where do you see that? actually a lot of polls i've seen globally actually show the u.s. has improved. >> that's not what i see.

but -- and not when i've traveled. but i would tell you this, maybe they're fearful because the money train may end, the being world peacekeeper may end. may there will be a different approach to hey, we're not looking for love for every other country, we're looking if for respect and it's time they respect someone that has so much policed the world, spent so many tax dollars of our own citizens when they should have been spending them here and that's why this country is fed up. the talking heads don't get it, the media doesn't get it. that's why the average johnny lunch bucket is frustrated and that's why they see hope in donald trump. >> let me bridge the gap here. i think there is a feeling in america that the world has become a more dangerous place ao with actions by the obama administration. and that can be debated among everyone. but certainly the rise of radical islam and terrorism is a big deal.

but when donald trump is upsetting our allies in the world and cozying up to the people who are a threat to the united states like putin, that is a cause for uncertainty and nothing is more important than a u.s. president communicating stability to the people who should be our friends. that's what makes donald trump dangerous, yes. strength is great. but you don't know what he's being strong for and our allies can't depend upon him throb when they may need us and that's the problem. >> even his own campaign doesn't know what he's strong for. paul manafort today said he talked about the muslim ban on the outside, it was just an initial and he's going to come in. donald trump is saying i'm not going to come in, muslim ban is still on the table. is. >> at the root of this is the grievance monger that donald trump does. the sense he's being taken advantage of. i'm a critic of president obama's but america is the richest country in the world,

the most successful country in the world and we have become that by interacting with the world and if you go to france and germany. we have a sense we have to be part of the world and america is respected for that and for donald trump to take pride in rattling other nations you're absolutely right that america -- an unstable america is not positive. >> and that focuses on the image of who is this guy going to be as president. he criticized president obama calling him incompetent when president obama's approval ratings are in the 50s. higher than ronald reagan was when he -- at this point in his presidency the criticism of

donald trump's foreign policy proposals are not coming from partisans, they're coming from robert gates, the gop chairman of homeland security, many republican republica republicans who understand the nature of global diplomacy and the fact that we are 35% of the world and we need to interact in a sensible way. >> we just had a scathing report by the inspector general who's put -- could the report widen the trust gap? what is it stake in california where bernie sanders is running a close race, the biggest prize left 475 delegates at stake. what a win or loss will mean for democrats. john king breaks it down for us ahead.

hillary clinton spend a good part of the day defending her e-mail practicings. among the inspector general's report, the former secretary of state failed to follow the rules or inform key department staff regarding her use of a private e-mail server. secretary clinton long maintained she has permission to use personal e-mail and

cooperated fully with investigators, the report found something else entirely. clinton and several staff declined to be interviewed for its investigation. of course it couldn't come at a worst time for the campaign. she's already facing a trust gap in polls. a big one. here's dana bash. >> reporter: shoulda woulda coulda. sentiments any candidate is loathe to express on the campaign trail. >> as i've said many times if i could go back i would do it differently i know people have concerns about this. i understand that. >> yet for hillary clinton, this week's state department inspector general report about how she mishandled e-mails as secretary of state could be especially damaging, feeding a central liability with voters -- honesty and trustworthiness. would you vote for someone you don't trust? >> well, people should and do trust me. >> >> yet all through the democratic primary contests

voters who said the most important quality was trustworthiness only voted for clinton in three states. >> i do question her judgment. >> it's a vulnerability bernie sanders has worked hard to exploit. maybe not so much about her e-mail issue but he has spent months accusing clinton of being in the pocket of big business and wall street. her refusal to release transcripts of paid speeches to goldman sachs hasn't helped. >> there are certain expectations when you run for president. this is a new one. >> the state department's damning report has given donald trump a fresh round of ammunition against her, crooked hillary, crooked hillary. she's as crooked as they come. >> reporter: assuming clinton is the democratic nominee, she already knows trump's play book. >> bad judgment skirting on the edge all the time and you look back at her history and this is

her history, i but people's views of trump are exactly the same. 64% say he's not honest and trustworthy either running against donald trump, will hillary clinton have a big disadvantage if voters don't see her as honest and trustworthy or will it matter? >> in most polling on the question of honest and trustworthiness the two candidates run evenly, it's a wash. neither is seen as having an edge there. >> reporter: the most likely test for november will be which argument wins. which one -- >> if crooked hillary clinton is in charge things will get much worse. >> reporter: or this. >> i think voters are going to be looking at the full picture of what i have to offer, my life and service and the full threat donald trump offers our country. i dana bash, cnn, washington. >> reporter: the final super tuesday of this primary race less than two weeks away. the biggest prize, california. 475 democratic delegates,

hillary clinton, bernie sanders locked in a tight race. john king is here to break it down by the numbers at the wall. >> you look at the democratic race, if you're bernie sanders you're encouraged by this in some ways a statewide survey among likely democratic voters a dead heat, 46% for secretary clinton, 44% for senator sanders. some other polls have her ahead, but if you're bernie sanders and you're thinking i have momentum, i have a chance to win in california, why is this happening? we have a gender split men for senator sanders, women for secretary clinton and fascinating throughout the democratic primary this is age thing. younger voters overwhelmingly for senator bernie sanders and older voters by a healthy margin for secretary clinton. so you have an age dynamic. at the moment senator sanders is in contention. that's a dead heat. even if he wins 50%, is that enough? his main thing is he wants to go

into momentum and he hopes for the miracle. >> clinton said on cnn her delegate lead is insurmountable, can she afford to lose california? >> can she? yes. but -- is the point. let's look at this. this is another state she won in 2008 in the end when she did have momentum like senator sanders is trying to get against senator obama. so it's embarrassing to lose a state you won before. this part is interesting. she went back on the air, the clinton campaign went back on the air in california this week. senator bernie sanders spent $1.5 million out there, secretary clinton approaching $1 million. this looks lycra lot of money. in california this is peanuts because you have so many media markets if you're running a big statewide ad campaign. remember these? we got ten days to get there? let's see how much more she spends out there to your point. can she afford to lose it, yes? but did she want to lose it for point of pride and ownership?

absolutely not. >> if sanders wins in california can he catch clinton? >> he needs 70% of the remaining delegates. let's switch maps and look. he needs 70% so is it conceivable that bernie sanders can win montana? this gives it to him 55-45. can he win montana with 70%? maybe. can he win in the dakotas with 70%? maybe. even if he does that, anderson, he's moving in here. in new jersey secretary clinton is favored. it's huge and california that have the big basket of delegates. she's leading. if bernie sanders win there is you come out, new mexico, la t know vote, hillary clinton thinks she'll win. i'll give it to bernie sanders. if this happens the jitters in the democratic party will be she's losing but the math in the nomination rates will be that she's still ahead. even if he wins by the margin in that pole. even if he wins 55-45, all of the remaining state he is doesn't catch up.

can bernie sanders win california with 70%? i think not but he wants to win it by as big a margin as possible. he has the dream of a miracle comeback. but most it's getting into these contests as many delegates as you can so when he gets to philadelphia he has more leverage but he wants to hold out hope. the math is possible but it's a miracle. >> john king, thanks very much. just ahead, is hillary clinton changing her playbook? borrowing a page from donald trump? they traded sharp jabs today. we'll have more on that. intelligent one.make sn ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪

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. as we've been talking about, a milestone day for donald trump after reaching the matching number of delegates, clinching his party's nomination, he spent the day celebrating reminding everyone how he defied predictions while taking swings at democratic front-runner hillary clinton. >> we were supposed to be going into july and a lot of people said it wouldn't even be solved during that convention. there will be a new convention in august and here i am watching hillary fight and she can't close the deal. and that would be such an easy deal to close but she's unable to close the deal. >> secretary clinton spent the day firing back at him. >> donald trump says outrageous

things all the time but today he officially clinched the republican nomination so this is now as real as it gets. and this man who is an unqualified loose cannon is within reach of the most important job in the world. >> here we have talk show host bill press who supports bernie sanders. it's interesting to hear secretary clinton calling in. that's taking a page from donald trump's play book. she started doing it a couple months ago, she called in cnn. that was the first time i knew she had done it and she's done it subsequently but smart move for her? >> i think it's only fair if donald trump gets to call in. >> no doubt. but -- >> hillary clinton should. >> good for her. >> in the past it wasn't a question of, like, cnn not wanting her to call in, it was her not calling in. >> i think it shows that they're taking donald trump seriously and going all out and she'll be

doing more interviews, more free media. i doubt she'll be able to keep up with donald trump on free media but that is a new direction i believe for the clinton campaign. >> as a clinton supporter do you like seeing that? >> i loved that ch. people see her for who she is and the criticism she's been so careful, she seems inauthentic and cautious, i think today you are going to see a new -- you're seeing the new page, the new strategy -- >> the danger is things she said that turned out to be not the case. she said she new past secretaries of state used personal e-mail. maybe that's true but in this report she didn't seek permission, she thought it was she said she thought it was allowed and past secretaries of state didn't use personal e-mails exclusively. >> and i think the most

important thing she said today about the ig report, she apologized. she apologized for having set up this private server, she apologized for it, said it was a mistake, i think the american people are forgiving. she did say predecessors did use it as well. she said that the regulations were nebulous at best, this was a procedural report. >> but david in the past she said she has done everything possible to cooperate. she in fact refused to cooperate, she refused to be interviewed as did members of her staff. >> her campaign says because they're waiting for the fbi investigation. but i do think what she didn't confront today and hasn't since the ig report came out is she said many times over the course of last year she did nothing wrong, that everything was above board. this ig report negates that. it says that is not the case. this is the other point about today and why she strategically

called in. just from an analysis point of view. she has been making her entire campaign about defeating donald trump. it's driving a message of the day about her issues and it's all about driving a media message about her trying to take down donald trump and a you want to do that to define her opponent in the general election but i think she thinks it helps her disfact the e-mail issue as well. >> andre, secretary clinton -- i want to get it right -- she said the idea of trump and sanders debating is not a serious discussion. the idea, though, of trump debating sanders, he has smartly been trying to reach out to potential bernie sanders supporters who if sanders is no longer in might go to trump. if he debates sanders, wouldn't that negate that? >> it would be brilliant because you don't take the hard shot.

you play nice, you go in and debate with him. >> you don't think donald trump would take a hard shot? >> i don't know if he would or not. he knows he won't be his opponent so go in there and be respectful of your opponent and you may pick up voters in the process. >> andre, what debates did you watch? [ laughter ] >> i think that's why you should be the nominee because you would handle it that way. the problem with donald trump is he that he has the irresistible impulses that he can't resist, like attacking susana martinez. but what is mind bongi-boggling who spent the '90s trying to beat the clintons when donald trump was defending the clintons, that the idea that this race is going to be a reunion of donald trump's last wedding where hillary clinton went to it. [ laughter ] and it would have ultra wealthy new yorkers running against each other, it's absolutely mind-boggling that there won't be a strong conservative choice

out there articulating the differences wean the republican party and the democratic party. >> we talked about this with john king. is secretary clinton, if bernie sanders wins california? >> i don't think much. i think the reality is the numbers are very much on her side. it's more than an uphill battle for bernie sanders but the longer he stays in, the better he does, the more leverage he has when it comes convention time. he already had i would say a marginal win with the platform committee and being able to ensure he has representatives there. he also has supporters who didn't count against his numbers who will be a part of a platform committee. all of that is positive. going back to this debate really quick, though, people are blowing this off all day and i don't know if folks missed donald trump's press conference where he said -- and maria brought it up, maybe for $10 million. this could be like a pay-per-view thing, anderson. i think andre watched your town hall though because donald trump was very nice on your town halls

but he's not been so nice at debates. >> anderson? >> very quickly. >> i want to weigh in on the california primary. i disagree. i don't think hillary can afford to lose california. the super delegates, if -- >> oh, i don't think that's true. >> if. >> if all this stuff is going on and on top of that he wins california i think super delegates, john used the word jitters, they'll get nervous. >> coming up, a new episode of the cnn original series "the '80s." we should be doing the '90s. this week we're looking at 80s music. kiss's gene simmons joins us next.

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a huge deal. i me you said at the time it felt good. were you nervous at small were you worried how your fans would react? >> oh, i was coast guard is to death. we started off defying the odds. we decided to put together the band we never saw on stage. we are we were four knuckle heads off the streets of new york who didn't have a clue what marketing was, what it meant. and here we are 42 years later, america's number one american gold record award winning group of all time. but during the '80s, you know, it was a period of flux. nobody really knew what was going on. more and more bands that played guitar became sort of heavy metal big hair bands, the bon jovis and so on and, you know, in my opinion fluff and sugar coating took the place of danger and in my opinion rock lost its

soul. >> when you hear the term -- i remember all my friends this is the kiss army, i was not cool enough to be drafted into the kiss army, unfortunately. but when you hear the term' "'80s music" what do you think about? >> flux, it was a time when lots of things were going on at the same place. the most important thing that came out of the '80s for me, yes, madonna and duran duran, they were popular and madonna continues today and god bless her, but prince was an anomaly. not since jimi hendrix had i ever witnessed anything that an artist that has the stage craft and the ability to combine blues, soul, rock. if prince was only a guitar player, lead guitar player in a band everybody would say "who's that kid? that guy's got the goods." so he was a multiinstrumentalist, wrote his own stuff, did the whole thing.

out of the '80s, rap, hip pop, became the big musical genre that continues today. but it was prince himself as the stand alone musical person. prince road above rap acts. an anomaly. >> still hard to believe he's gone, david bowie, so many incredibly talented musicians and sicker singers. gene simmons, great to see you. >> suck face. >> the cnn oorj aloriginal seri "the eighties" continues at the top of the hour. baylor university is taking action against ken starr. details next.

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the board suspended the football coach and says it plans to fire him. that does it for us. thanks for watching. the >> we will be doing for tv what fm did for radio. there are some that accused you of your videos as being soft porn >> what are your dreams. >> to rule the world. >> michael jackson is the man of the '80s. >> music is all beat and talk. rap music. >> heavy metal, a glorified sex and violence that hates authority and adolescence. >> this beastly presentation that was birthed in the pit of hell. ♪