hatred so deep, it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed. >> act of terror on our soil. >> it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> once again, this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> better picture this morning of the man accused of murdering 13 people. >> why do they hate us? >> what did we do to the islamic world?

>> americans are asking, why do they hate us? >> emphasis on that last word, "us," why do islamic terrorists hate americans? >> usa! >> 15 years after 9/11, we are no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> so what are you waiting for? you can go down to a gunhow at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle. >> but who are they? how many? and are they multiplying in a new, deadly form? >> tomorrow in washington, it will be new york. it is coming.

>> inside schools. [ speaking in foreign language ] young children are being taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country because terrorism is again front and center. >> and that fear has paved the way for a new voice in this country. >> please welcome our next president of the united states! >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on! it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse and worse, folks.

>> trump's message has led some americans to say who cares why they hate us. we hate them. >> who's bombing buildings? who's bombing airplanes? it's not the christians. it's not the jewish. it's not the buddhist. it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> they are coming to get us. they are not going to be happy until they take over this country and we have to be under sharia law and i am not going to bow down to them. >> americans are understandably angry and afraid. but with fear turning to hate, we need answers. it's literally a matter of life and death. when you ask a scholar steeped in the subject, he makes an important distinction. >> why do they hate us? >> if you take "they" as being

muslims, they don't hate us. if you talk about "they" as being a narrow, very small group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question. >> choudry comes from that very small group of extreme radicalists. >> to the muslims in the world, how can you have a government that is leading the war against islam and muslims. >> no one scares american security officials more than al awlaki. the islamic state is paradise to choudry. >> all of the vices that you're

used to don't ex exist over here. why didn't you interview some of the people? they will deny these things. >> they kill journalists, that's why. >> these could be my last hours. >> in fact, isis has murdered at least 23 reporters in the last two years. among them, the americans james foley and steven sotloff. >> let me not get into the nonsense that you're spouting about the breer hood there. how do you explain, mr. choudary that people are fleeing the islamic state? >> despite tens and thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, choudary actually claims that are more arriving. >> the people are coming into the islamic state. we have videos of christians coming back from mosul, the yazidis embracing israel

lawmaker. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> and then the flood gates open with the reasons why anjem choudary says he hates us. >> where is the freedom of religion for people in guantanamo bay? was that freedom in practice? i bet you loved that, fareed. did you hold that up as democracy, the american way, the american life? you know, george bush flushed those down the toilet. he said we can flush them away because we're talking about terrorism. >> but the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims. it has intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government that has been elected twice by the afghan people. >> fareed, i think you've spent too much time in the cnn world. in the real world, the people of afghanistan hate the americans. >> the real world is determined by polls, not by what you say and the polls overwhelmingly show it as do two elections. >> you're living in hollywood.

some kind of make-believe world. >> i come back to the very simple pro significance, if the groups that you seem to support from al qaeda to isis were as popular as you claim, why don't they hold elections? why do they have to go around murdering, slaughtering, raping, forcing people into submission. >> for a moment i thought you were talking about guantanamo bay. obviously you're not talking about that. >> choudary reminds me of marxi marxist ideal logs that i met in my youth. the anger in america is deep. what is striking is that america remains the obsession of choudary and so many who have seldom, if ever, have been here. so what happens when a jihadi is one of us, an american?

are the reasons he hates us the same? >> to the sus limbs in america, i have this to say. how can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the world against islam and muslims? >> no one has scared american security officials more than anwar al awlaki. >> wanted dead or alive by u.s. authorities. >> also helped plan attacks on the united states. >> he is the driving force behind virtually all of the worst terrorist attacks in america since 9/11. >> we are facing you as men who loved us just like you love life. >> he is an american, born in new mexico, educated at colorado state university. how influential is he? dzhokhar tsarnaev wrote about his teachings as he lay bleeding

in a backyard boat waiting to be captured. one of the san bernardino killers, the husband, syed farook, watched his sermons for years. and then there was psychiatrist nidal hasan who murdered 13 americans at ft. hood in texas. hasan e-mailed anwar about his plans. underwear bomber tried to blow a plane out of the sky in detroit under orders under awlaki. but here is the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the 9/11 terror attacks, al awlaki was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capitol.

he was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam in virginia, that "the washington post" did a story about him. >> there's always this association between islam and terrorism when that is not true at all. islam is a religion of peace. >> but gradually, it is possible to see the beginning of his disenchantment. >> it seems to be something that comes out of nowhere there are reasons for this. the fact that the u.s. had administered the death of more than 1 million civilians in iraq. >> no one seems certain when awlaki became a full-fledged jihadi, but one thing is clear, he was a scholar of islam yet he never cites his religion when he

speaks about why he hates us. >> everybody, push him this way. over here. >> his reasons are about american foreign policy, the so-called war against islam that jihadis always speak of. the fbi began to monitor al awlaki. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> would you say that awlaki is at least a severe a threat today as bin laden? >> probably the most significant risk to the u.s. homeland. >> the american-born al qaeda -- >> there is one important fact about anwar al awlaki that i have not mentioned. he is dead. >> has been killed. >> it was an american drone strike in 2011. but here's the most frightening fact. awlaki is still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror he inspired happened after his death. the san bernardino killings, the

boston marathon bombings, awlaki is on the internet right now. literally thousands of his videos are just a click away. >> you remember the good old days when americans were enjoying the blessings of security and peace? >> the man is dead. the message is not. and yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. the united states has, for better or worse, waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in the world of islam must lie somewhere else. somewhere deeper. ♪ some say it comes directly from the koran but is the muslim holy book being distorted? >> the koran promises a moderate

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religion? ask a critic of islam and then ask a reformer. you'll get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it's time to stop saying that this isn't about is islam. isis is uber islamic. uber islamic and it's time it set. >> the first thing you will hear from the mouth is, please, don't misunderstand, islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true because most of the people say they are doing it in the name of allah and they actually cite vers from the koran.

>> the question triggered a shouting match on bill maher's hbo program. >> why is that the mother load of ideas. >> they want to go to the store, get some sandwiches. >> wait, wait, wait. >> you paint the whole religion. >> let's get down to who has the right answer here. a billion people you say. all of these billion people don't hold these beliefs? >> no, they don't. we will come back to the point about the numbers. let's look at the text. it contains versus that contain intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brimstone. but look at the bible on the same subject in leviticus. if a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

both holy books have passages recommending murder for nonbelievers. this verse in the koran is the one isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those that disbelieve, therefore strike off their heads. >> a knife will continue to strike the next of your people. >> but the same belief that guides isis also appears in the bible, in deuteronomy, the leaders are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. two holy books with violent passages with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in the koran. >> it is being manipulated, used. >> points to one colorful example of manipulation in a famous koran story. >> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam, 72 virgins.

is that true? >> it is not true. >> she says that several scholars studied the original text came to a startling realization. >> nowhere in the koran does it promises 72 virgins, 48 virgins. what it promises as far as heaven goes is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated. the original word that was used in the koran was the word for raisin, not martyrs. in oth >> 72 raisins. imagine the terrorists who expected something completely different.

>> the story illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas, but it also reflects a growing new realty, the violent jihad dists that carry out terrorist attacks often know little about islam. >> many cases they're petty criminals, dropouts, unemployed, many cases drug users who never had anything to do with religion, have no religious training whatsoever. >> you probably know it better than me. maybe you studied. >> they're ignorant of religion and latch onto radical islam as a way to act out their alienation. >> the abdeslam brothers fit the profile. these are the isis killers partying at a high-end nightclub in brussels. saleh was the mastermind of the paris attacks.

ibrahim blew himself up in paris. it is easier, some say, to brainwash recruits who are not religious. former radical told "the new yorker" for purposes of recruitment, having no background in islam is actually an advantage. anjem manji is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> i am pointing out that the faith itself has the raw material, has the element for a change. >> there's another famous koranic story. a father's two sons convert to christianity and leave home. the father asks the prophet muhammad to bring them back, but muhammad declines saying there's no compulsion in religion. >> the book itself can't speak. it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. there's a beautiful passage in the koran, one of many beautiful

passages, that states god does not change the condition of the people until they change what is inside themselves. >> and to those who say well, you are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say yes, that's correct, and so are you by not acknowledging the freedom loving versus of the koran. >> as you can see, islam can be used in many ways, but the question remains, why is an intolerant, violent interpretation of the religion flourishing in important parts of the muslim world? it all starts, believe it or not, with an american pop song. ♪ hmmmmmm..... [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm...

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>> we are now scrambling to figure out what turned this couple into mass murders. >> malik, the wife in the san bernardino terror attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized? >> we all looked at her and asked how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and then proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom. there's a way to understand this because you can draw a straight

line from tashfeen malik to the roots of radical islam. let me explain by going back to the beginning of the story. bizarre though it may sound, today's radical islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1949. the place was greeley, colorado. ♪ baby it's cold outside >> "baby it's cold outside" was playing on an old gramophone at a church dance. an egyptian student attending a local college happened to stop in. he was a deeply conservative muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of what he calls the animal-like mixing of the sexes, the halls warmed with legs, lips met lips, chests met

chests. the worst sight of all, he said, the outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters. his essay about his time here became known in the arab world. he hated everything about american culture, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> his views on america are terrifying. they're terrifying because they're narrow, they're racist, he resented the way women and men interacted in society. he resented the nature of american materialism. >> by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments that were trying to westernize their economy, society and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the

united states. he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of egyptian president. he had become a rock star among budding radicals, even as arab regimes were jailing and torturing his followers. >> we are muslims. >> thus, in the jails of egypt and other air rain tyrannies was born al qaeda. he was read and revered by osama bin laden, anwar al awlaki. and the current head of al qaeda and zarwahi.

in iran, there was revolution. enraged by the american rule, popular protest drove him out. angry mobs seize the american embassy. for 444 days the united states watched helplessly as americans were held hostage. >> there are indications tonight that a large number of armed shiite muslims -- >> at exactly the same time, november 1979, cataclysm, take over of the grand mosque in mecca, islam's holiest site. it was stormed by insurgents backed by the saudi king. these events were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals.

they had taken control of iran and in saudi arabia the monarchy makes a fateful decision, it decides to appease the ultra conservative clergy who preach pure tan cal, intolerant interpretation of islam, giving them free rein to run schools and mosques and oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it is hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on this planet that hasn't been touched by the ideology. >> remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world of muslim, the muslim world. 's >> the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam.

but look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in saudi islam, the former imam of the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis, he says. we share their ideology. but we express it in a more refined way. >> that ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia from the mosques. >> remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia, so did osama bin laden. and one more person who is from saudi arabia, tashfeen malik. the wife in the san bernardino killings. >> malik came from pakistan. she later moved to saudi arabia. >> so malik lived in saudi arabia and pakistan, and to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology? pakistan.

its saudi-funded mosques preach a message much like the message of wahhabism. tashfeen malik, the san bernardino killer, is a product of radical islam globalized by saudi money. up next, a crucial question. when we ask "why they hate us," how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> they say at most 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right when we return. we stop arthritis pain,

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if you believed everything you heard about islam on certain cable news channels, you would have good reason to be afraid. >> we need to kill them. >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are we talking about. the world has 1.6 billion muslims. how many are we talking about? >> 300 million people ready to

strap bombs on their bodies and blow us to smither evens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can that really be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> 25, 30% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace has told the frontrunner the facts. >> they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right, trump is wrong. scholars and experts agree, the number is between 1 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how do they come up with those results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. that works out to around 1-100th of 1% of muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, the

myth persists. >> you're saying that 253 million muslims would like to go to war against us? >> look at the pew poll that came out recently. >> we did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by pew that brought any relation to trump's claims. in fact, the pew research center sent us a statement that says it has not issued a survey saying 27% of muslims who go to war with the united states, nor asked a question of muslims about going to war. but there are some pew polls with findings that are troubling. let's take a look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims that want sharia as law of the land told pew they also favor stoning as punishment for adultery.

56% favor death penalty for those that leave islam. >> i mean, we may be appalled by certain regressive beliefs, but they're just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> but can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon, or writing a book, or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> aslam responds with an apology from america. westboro baptist church believe god hates homosexuals, and as a result of that belief they picket the burial ceremonies of american soldiers who died

overseas. now, christians in the united states believe homosexuality is a sin and share that believe with the westboro baptist church but would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are essentially t fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam, counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway like the book of mormon, it is currently unthinkable to produce such a play on the topic of islam. >> the hit broadway musical roundly lampoons the salt lake city based religion. >> so what do the mormons do in response to this play? they took out ads for mormonism in the program, which is an adorable response. but there is no one who produced

that play who lost sleep over whether they might be killed or hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons. and that is what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this i certainly agree with harris, and yet there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing muslims. american democracy. when we come back, the story of american islam, warts and all. ♪ what if there was a paint that made you look at paint differently question everything you know and what you don't know what if it's built with better ingredients given super powers and even a secret base to test those powers. since benjamin moore reinvented paint, it makes you wonder is it still paint? find benjamin moore paint, only at one of our authorized retailers near you.

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hamtramck, michigan, a story as old as america. a century ago, polish immigrants settled here. it became known as little warsaw. ♪ preserving the traditions of the old country in a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. ♪ >> this time, the immigrants are muslims from yemen, from bangladesh, from bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had

historic significance for that community and the country. >> one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes that are going on, so i'm leaving. >> church bells collide with the call to prayer. restaurants cater to separate groups, different cultures now living side by side. there have been rough spots, but hamtramck has gradually begun to make its new reality and new government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag. >> we've got a great possibility of showing the world how ethnic groups can work together to solve problems. >> but then the calls started coming in from the rest of america. >> going to block muslims, try to do this, people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in

america! >> many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i didn't say to hate them. i'm just saying we don't need them here. >> islam will never dominate the united states. >> sharia law has never been established in any city in america and no one wants it less than the muslim americans in hamtramck. >> we came to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i would come to this country to follow me here? i don't think so. >> this community activist said that his family fled for a better life. >> we came here for a better life, for security and for a better future and that's all we came here for. we will always carry that american flag everywhere we go.

>> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to people of all background. he came to america from pakistan at age 16. penniless. today he is a billionaire in the most american way possible. he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. the list goes on. but middle eastern studies scholar rashrid khalidi says this. >> how many people with elite

roles in french business? we have people who are important in the media whose faces are different than others. yours, for instance. >> as for all the fears that americans have of shria law, of muslims as terrorists, they are rooted in this fact. >> 1% of america are muslims. most people don't know any muslims, so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam, it becomes very easy to conflate that with mainstream, everyday islam. we would never make that mistake if we were confronted are extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of christianity. because we live in a country that's 70% christian. we are tribal, ultimately.

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the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, no matter what the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself, it's muslims again. and you will probably be right. in 2014, about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. the vast majority of those pepprpetrating the violence wer muslim. but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims. that's crucial to understand because it sheds light on the question, why do they hate us? islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west, they hate the modern world. and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear.

why the while the jihadis are few, there is a larger cancer in islam, in extremis extremism, in tolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion are muslim majority. all that have laws of leaving the state are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain that in the 14th century, islamic civilization was the world's most advanced or that the koran was once read as a liberal or progressive document, they're not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today. what they're saying is it can change. islam, after all, has been around for 14 centuries. there have been periods of war but also of peace. it's the same religion then and now, so what is different? it's not theology, it's politics. radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant

economics of muslim countries. they have found in radical religion an idealogy that lets them rail against the modern world, an idealogy that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere. in europe, and in some cases the united states. how to end this? there is really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, reform their faith and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines, many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis. the hundreds of muslim reformers i've spoken to say their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits condemn islam entirely, demean their faith and speak of all muslims as backward and suspect. here's another way to think about this.

in america, african-americans make up about 13% of the population, yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now we understand -- i hope we understand -- that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be dehumanizing, unfair and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with isis, even though he is also a muslim. it is hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged as individuals with individual liberties and rights. it is what they hate about us.

we might as well live up to our own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria. thank you for watching. > . there are some that accuse videos of being soft porn. >> if you want to say how you feel, youtube! >> michael jackson is the man of the '80s. music that is all beat and talk. it's rap music. >> heavy metal. it glorifies sex ask violence, it is authority and adolescence boys love it. >> the presentation that