her record, this is what you get. clinton was saying if you look at trump university and his business dealings, that's what you have it. that's the state of play going on today. the good news is we are supposed to hear policy from hillary clinton today. >> she's going to portray trump as a dangerous person and unfit to be commander in chief. >> she got us with the policy. >> we have the race covered the way only cnn can. jason carroll kicks us off from l.a. >> reporter: police in san diego are already preparing for a trump rally there. he's been met by protesters at all of his rallies here in california. in the meantime, trump stepping up his attacks on hillary clinton. the two squaring off on foreign policy. >> hillary clinton, she lies. >> reporter: after a day of intense scrutiny of his

controversy written trump university -- >> hillary is not a talented person. one of the worst secretaries of state in the history of our country. >> reporter: trump trying to get ahead of a clinton speech today where she criticizes his foreign policy proposals. >> they sent me a copy of the speech and it was such lies about my foreign policy that they said i want japan to nuke. i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. >> reporter: but clinton relentlessly slamming him as a fraud. >> he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. >> reporter: the democratic front runner capitalizing on newly released testimony on ex-

staffers accusing trump ewart of unethical, misleading and dishonest conduct, a fraudulent scheme that preyed on the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. >> trump and his employees took advantage of vulnerable americans, encouraging them to destroy their financial futures, all while making promises they knew were false from the beginning. donald trump himself is a fraud. >> reporter: president obama also bringing the heat against trump. >> he just says i'm going to negotiate a better deal. well, how -- how exactly are you going to negotiate that? what magic wand do you have and usually the answer is he doesn't have an answer. >> reporter: trump unsurprisingly vowing to hit back. >> she's going to start campaigning. well, if he campaigns that means i'm allowed to hit him just like i'm allowed to hit bill clinton

i guess, right? >> well, in terms of vowing to hit back it should be noted that donald trump has gone out to the president at nearly all of his rallies, so nothing new there. it should also be noted that trump's campaign has dismissed allegations against trump university and hi legal team has released the names of a number of people who said they were completely satisfied by attending there. >> thank you. there are stories on both sides of that issue. so joining us now to discuss it all, mark preston, and cnn political commentator matt lewis. great to have you all with us. let me start with you. is hillary clinton's attacks on -- or just highlighting some of the trump university stories, can she point out that if sort of regular vulnerable people were fleeced, is that a different thing than what we've heard in her attacks in the

past? >> absolutely. it's one thing if donald trump is going at it with creditors over a bankrupt casino. that's something beyond most people's experience. you start bringing in real people, real people who say they've been cheated it starts to matter more. when you have something like the state attorney general suing him, this is now -- hillary clinton is not the first and only person making these accusations. she's coming in after the class action lawsuit, after the republican nominee from 2012 all sort of pointing to this, it has a little bit more impact and for the hundred odd million people who have not voted so far, who are coming to this maybe a little bit fresh and amazingly enough may not have been watching cnn -- >> what? >> -- and watching our coverage for all these months, they may not know what to think of it. >> earl makes a good point

except for that va zi talk about not watching cnn. but the defense so far, i'm talking about the politics, it's been that this is politically motivated. the a.g. in new york is a democrat, the judge is a mexican and anti trump. the plaintiff's lawyers donated to clinton. do you think those types of defenses will help? >> well, that's certainly what donald trump is going to try to do to muddy the waters and essentially, you know, take on the system here. you know, sort of indict or raise questions about the whole process. i think this could work. this is -- you know, donald trump has a strong brand and ironically his brand is that he is a man of the people, sort of a -- you know, the working man's billionaire. and it's going to be hard for the clintons or for anybody to chip away and undermine that

image, but that -- it's a brand, but if they could do it then that would be incredibly damaging to donald trump and so i think this is something that they have to try to do. trump is going to try to push back. he's going to try to say this is politically motivated but if you can make it look like donald trump is a -- you know, do to donald trump what democrats almost always do to republicans, make this look like he's not concerned about average americans, that would be damaging to him. >> bringing up some money making schemes in clinton's past, one called white water. listen to this. >> these are crooked people. they've been crooked from the beginning. they were crooked with white water. they've been crocked from the beginning. you look at that foundation, it's pure theft and pure crookedness. okay. i mean white water is complicated as we all know, but will this be effective, going

back in time and saying she has things to look at also? >> what we've been looking at is this incredible race to the bottom between turump and clinton. donald trump plays this game that he's a man of the people and that can be chipped away. on the other side what we've seen donald trump do right there is to try to erode at her credibility. when you're talking about white water, probably 95% of the people don't remember what white water was and what happened. >> isn't that better? the common response is well, that's been so litigated, we had all this congressional committees, there was never a single charge. there's no there there. >> but if you don't know that history. >> but it was so long ago in the context, other than the name white water doesn't provide the

context around what happened or what could have happened. he can say that it is crooked or maybe it has problems or where it gets some of its money but i think largely cgi has done some good things as far as -- >> that's working though. the unknown is working very well in this election. what's in my taxes, all that stuff? the cgi is working. people believe there's a lot of nefarious behavior going on and there's been no investigation so there's no way to rebut the presunks. >> bill clinton addressed it in an interesting way a few months ago where he said we are dealing with some very unsaverry people and we're doing it so we can get the money to help peasant women in bangladesh or whatever the particular issue is and i've been to the events where they bring out some of these people. they're doing extraordinary work and so if it's managed properly

the optics will look like look, yes, we took some money from sketchy characters but here's what we did with it. if you've got something better, bring your model forward is essentially what bill clinton challenged his critics to do. >> so president obama has largely been on the sidelines waiting for the democratic primary to sort of be cemented before jumping in, but yesterday he couldn't wait any longer and now he's begun to speak out more forcefully about what he thinks the future of the country should look like. >> in today's economy, we can't put up walls around america. we're not going to round up 11 million people. if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okay doke, just because it -- you know, it sounds funny

or the tweets are provocative, then we're not going to build on the progress that we started. >> so matt, what do you think? he's not mentioning trump, but he is alluding to him, so what do you think of that? >> i think there's a couple really interesting behind the scenes things happening here. so with the first story, you know, hillary clinton hitting donald trump on trump university, i think sort of the underpinning is an acceptance that both of these candidates have problems. it's crooked hillary versus donald trump who perhaps exploits average americans and so the notion that they're both great people, we're done with that and now the question is which of them are on the side of average americans? and that's where that fight is going to happen. in the case of president obama, i think he's working on a different angle chipping away at something different. what donald trump has done is essentially normalize viewpoints

that here to fore had been taboo or politically incorrect and i think what president obama is able to do in a way that hillary clinton can't is use humor and mockery to very subtly sort of make the argument that donald trump is not normal. it's not cool to support donald trump and i think president obama has this way of mocking donald trump very subtly that nobody else -- i haven't seen anybody else get away with it. so this is a very meticulous and methodic i think strategy utilizing surrogates like the president and hillary to hit donald trump's strengths. >> stick around. we do want to talk about foreign policy with you momentarily. >> let's just zero in on the democrats for a moment. just two points separate hillary clinton and bernie sanders in

the latest poll out of california. clinton will be campaigning there just five days ahead of the primary on tuesday. she has that major national security address in san diego today expected to target donald trump's foreign policy plans. we're joined with much more this morning. good morning, chris. >> you're exactly right. hillary clinton is set to slam donald trump again today and what her campaign is billing is a major foreign policy speech designed to cast trump as a light weight and a security risk. she'll paint trump as unfit to be commander in chief arguing that his policies, things like banning muslims and questioning nato are dangerous and yesterday on the campaign trail clinton gave a preview of what to expect. >> donald trump has disqualified himself completely. he has attacked our closest allies. he has said let's pull out of

nato. he has praised the dictator of north korea. he's advocated more countries getting nuclear weapons. >> this will be clinton's first foreign policy since trump became the presumptive nominee. and this speech is aimed at winning over never trump republicans which are part of that national security elite and gop women who question trump's temperament. now aides say clinton will contrast her experience on the world stage with what they say is clinton's constant trash talking of america and she will lay out what to do to keep the country safe and prosperous. she really needs to project strength not just against donald trump but also against bernie sanders, a new poll showing sanders and clinton neck and neck in california ahead of the state's primary on tuesday. >> appreciate the reporting as always. we had quite a scare yesterday,

i don't know if you were monitoring it but classes are resuming at ucla this morning less than 24 hours after a professor was killed on campus. the shooting sending thousands of students racing for cover. there were all these rumors that there was a shooting spree going on. local media reporting a disgruntled student killed william klug and then committed suicide, but what led up to that final and fatal confrontation? we're joined live there los angeles with the latest. what do we know now, my friend? >> reporter: good morning, chris. well, that's the question that everyone wants the answer to and why this devoted teacher was taken so soon. that answer still not out there, but i can tell you as someone who was here on campus, it was a tense couple of hours for the nearly 60,000 people who work and attend school here. >> it's hard to even fathom it

so have your son grow up without a dad is rough. >> reporter: klug was a husband and father of two. the coach of his ten-year-old son's little league team. >> never a negative word. always very positive. kids loved working with him because he was such an easy coach to work with. >> reporter: the professor was inside the same building where he taught his classes wednesday morning. >> it was a normal day on campus, up towards of 25,000 students. >> reporter: shortly after 10:00 a.m. hundreds of police, swat officers and the fbi stormed the los angeles campus after reports of three gunshots coming from one of the school's engineering facilities. >> i'd suggest going back that day. >> reporter: police shutting down streets and paralyzing parts of the city. >> people are crying, people are like nervous, they're shaking. >> reporter: inside, terrified students scrambled to hide. >> i closed the door with keys

and barricaded the doors and turned off the lights. >> reporter: some unable to lock the classroom doors, barricading themselves in and tying cords and belts around the handles. >> our primary goal is to review all of our security procedures. >> reporter: the swat team sweeping campus buildings only to find the bodies of professor klug and another as yet unidentified male, a murder/suicide. now, keep in mind that this is finals time here at ucla so officials say they want to make sure school is open so students can finish up and get through finals and for those who need to, graduate next friday. >> thank you so much for that update. embarrassing admission from the state department. someone in their public affairs department ordered several minutes cut from a press briefing. it featured a reporter asking

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attack, attack, attack, that's what this election is about and we have a latest round that takes it to the new level. the sharpest attacks on donald trump by hillary clinton, but today, clinton says she's all about policy. she's going to talk about foreign policy and yes, she will put it in context as to why donald trump would be dangerous, but this is going to be a major speech in san diego. the question is, what are the expectations? so how do you balance this? foreign policy, you would think

her asset mark preston would be to go very detailed, throw a lot of information in there and different people and different suggestions of expertise, but how do you do that if what you want to do is punch donald trump in the nose? >> it's difficult because we've seen donald trump literally take out sixteen other rivals to win the nomination. we also know he will go to the inth degree to try to take you out. so hillary clinton is trying to counterpunch against donald trump and i think they're going to find that it's ineffective. what she needs to do is try to differentiate herself from him on experience, specifically on issues of foreign policy because that is considered a very big weakness for donald trump. for her to try to go punch for punch with donald trump and really try to drag it down into the gutter i think is a failing strategy. >> but is she laying out her foreign policy or is she laying

out the absurdity of his foreign policy today? >> we're hearing it from her people, saying he is not eligible, he is not qualified. this is her trying to pick some low hanging fruit. there are some people coming to the race for the first time and to the extent there are voters out there who say hey, nuclear weapons for japan and for south korea, i'm out, i don't want to have any part of that, she can make some inroads. she's doing the traditional politics. trump is doing something else, but it's about scooping up groups of voters in the key states and making sure everything is in place for november. my sense is that she's going to try and do that today and at this phase. later on, there will be some back and forth and perhaps a debate and i think that's where you'll see the contrasting visions but for now i think she wants to announce anybody who

thinks what donald trump says is crazy, i'm here to let you know i have a different point of view and you can join my camp now. >> let's look at the polls. we have some polls that suggest who people think about foreign policy. >> this is a poll, he gets 49% to 41%. is this because he speaks in sort of much more absolutes? i'm going to knock them out, i'm going to bomb them all? i mean, it's sort of satisfying. if they're going to be gone, they'll be gone fast. >> absolutely. we're going to bomb the blank out of isis. i think -- plus we've had president obama who called him the jv team and hasn't been able to adequately, you know, vis rate isis, so i think trump wins big there. if it's a question of diplomacy and experience hillary wins. >> we have that. let me just show you. which presidential candidate

would you trust more with sending u.s. troops overseas. they're basically neck and neck. >> absolutely. but i think there was another question in that same poll that i think look, we should be very concerned about foreign policy. we live in a dangerous world and it's incredibly important, but one of the other findings in that survey was that people would rather hang out with donald trump at a bbq and that donald trump is the better jobs candidate. so to be honest with you although i think foreign policy is incredibly important and hillary clinton wants to stress her vastly superior experience in that area, the fact that people want to hang out with donald trump at a bbq, i think -- i bet that's a more predictive question in terms of voters. >> we also have a good look now. let's play what trump said about hillary clinton in terms of her preparedness for the job because it's just a good contrast and

how they're coming at the issue of foreign policy. this is trump's case against clinton. >> remember the famous phone call? at 3:00 in the morning she'll answer the call. guess what? she was sleeping! she was sleeping like a baby. don't wake me up. of course she took the calls from her slimy friends, but she didn't take five to 600 calls. they were calling and calling and she was sleeping and she did that phony commercial. remember that? that phony commercial, if the phone rings at 3:00 in the morning -- well, it did ring a lot of times and she was sleeping. maybe it's no energy, low energy. right? she needed her sleep. >> matt lewis, as you well know, there's probably nothing that is true in what donald trump just said. literally factually is not one thing that he didn't either make up or miscast, however, through the base, is that enough? >> well, i think he's muddying

the waters. i mean, obviously if it comes down to a question of experience, who has the experience to do diplomacy, to handle foreign policy, hillary clinton would destroy him. so what donald trump has to do is say look, it's not about experience, it's about judgment. and i do think his rhetoric there is playing fast and loose, you really could make a pretty compelling argument that although hillary clinton has lots of experience, her actual judgment in terms of foreign policy and international relations is dubious at best and i think that that is how donald trump muddies the water. you look at whether it's libya, whether it's her vote in iraq, hillary clinton does not have a great record in terms of things that she's supported to stand on. >> one of the interesting things to hear of clinton does today, you want to talk about record, it seems that trump's big arrow is i was against the war in iraq. you heard of that? >> of course. >> how come there's no record of

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welcome back to "new day." this more arning w hearing the dramatic 911 calls released moments after a 3-year-old boy fell into this gorilla habitat at the cincinnati zoo. one of the recordings paints the horrifying picture as the mother helplessly watched the animal take hold of her son and drag him through the water. jessica is live in cincinnati for us. these calls paint a clear picture about what happened. >> reporter: they do. a flurry of 911 calls came through on saturday. the most chilling from the mother of that 3-year-old boy as she told dispatchers she could barely stand to watch that

uncertain scene unfolding. >> my son fell in with the gorilla. my son fell in with the gorilla. there's a male gorilla standing over him. i need someone to contact the zoo. >> reporter: this mother calling 911 and attempting to console her son. >> be calm, be calm. he's grabbing my son. i can't watch this. >> how old is your son? >> i can't watch this. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: six 911 calls from the scene depicted desperation of everyone standing above the gorilla mote. >> that by biis still in the water and it slammed it against the wall earlier. >> okay. can you -- is any of the zoo keepers next to you right now? >> oh, god, he's taking the baby. >> ma'am, listen to me.

he. >> he's taking the baby into the cave. oh, my god. >> this caller describing something we can't see on video. harambe taking the toddler even farther into his habitat possibly part of the danger prompting the decision to shoot and kill harambe. one eyewitness explaining to cnn what she saw. >> this is a child who cannot endure him running across the rocks and grabbing him by one foot. no mother should ever have to watch that. >> and the cincinnati police department investigation continues this morning. it will all be reviewed by the county prosecutor's office, the focus of this investigation, what exactly were the parents of that 3-year-old boy doing in the minutes just before he came face to face with harambe? >> yes, there are still those questions that people are really anxious to figure out.

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the olympics. several olympic teams voicing fears about the water and the health effects of raw sewage and pollution. ivan watson reports. >> reporter: athletes training for peak performance. members of the german olympic sailing team preparing for what will be the first olympic competition in this class of sailboat. on the surface, the view of the coast of the olympic host city, pretty spectacular, but the sailors are trying hard to stay out of the water. >> we don't want to swim in it. >> they say the bay here is terribly polluted. >> you hit garbage out here? >> yeah. >> what kind of garbage? >> a lot of plastic bags, but

i've also hit a chair or some wood. >> furniture? >> yes. >> reporter: this is the kind of stuff they're talking about. look at this trail of garbage. flip flops, tennis shoes, blocks of wood on the surface of the bay, very close to where the sailors and athletes are training. rio has been struggling with its notoriously polluted waters for decades. we caught up with the city's mayor at the opening of a brand new sewage treatment plant. do you think the water is going to be safe for the olympic athletes? >> yes, i mean, we had -- first thing because where in the bay the sailing is going to happen, it's the cleanest area, the entrance of the bay. >> but people who make a living at the waters disagree with the mayor. we don't get far in fisherman's

boat before his motor stalls. the propel ller tangled in a plastic bag. travel a little further and we find this. it smells awful and not just like mud at low tide but something far more toxic and the fishermen we're with says this is basically raw sewage that has washed down out of the city. the untreated waste of millions of rio's residents who do not have modern sanitation. it all drains into canals like this where local fishermen moore their boats. we don't fish here, he says. look at rio now, he tells me. we will host the olympics but we don't even have a basic sewage system. the pollution here one of the sad realities facing residents and now athletes as these

upcoming olympics, but these german sailors say they're willing to risk these dirty waters for their shot at olympic glory. cnn rio de janeiro. >> thank you for that piece. you now understand a situation that before was just a mustry. so coming up, championship rematch. the warriors and the cavs. the man on your left, the young upstart star, the man on your right, the physical phenom. the bleacher report is next. welcome to opportunity's knocking, where self-proclaimed financial superstars pitch you investment opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there's a lot of money to be made. but first, investors must ask the right questions and use the smartcheck challenge to make the right decisions. you're not even registered; i'm done with you! i can...i can... savvy investors check their financial pro's

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7 when they face in the finals. cleveland hasn't won a championship there in 52 years, they fell short last year. they didn't have irving. both were out with injuries. this year they're full throttle but so are the warriors. they set that all-time season wins record but what would it matter if they were to be defeated? the ring is the thing. let's check out tale of the tape. two best players going toe to toe. lebron's final appearance. he's won two. curry's won, they make $60 million a year in endorsements. this is going to be a hot one. nhl stanley cup final, penguins, sharks. game two overtime. that's game. that's right. 23-year-old rookie brought up from the team's ahl affiliate

midway through the season, now two goals and two stanley cup final games. game two hero too. game three, saturday in san jose. all right. this just in, folks. 7'1", nba legend is on the loose. he's preying on unsuspected lift customers. he's got a plethora of costumes. he's coming for you. >> do you not recognize what i've done as a laker? >> we don't eat pasta. we're watching our cars. >> that's terrible. >> the whole video is a must-see. we tweeted it out, guys. i don't know how shaq fits in a car and it's hilarious. >> do his passengers know it's shaq that they're riding with?

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if you think the zika virus is only a threat in other parts of the world, think again. a baby girl was just born in new jersey with zika related birth defects and now there's evidence that mosquitos are active and ready to go to spread this disease. joining us now the director for the centers of disease control who has brand new numbers to share with us regarding the spread of zika this morning. thanks so much for joining us. let's be clear. there are still no cases that we know of of the transmission of zika from mosquitos here in the u.s., but we do know there's a growing number of people who have the virus after traveling elsewhere. what are your latest figures?

>> for the u.s. first off as you say we have not yet seen in the continental u.s., the mainland, any spread of zika, but we've begun to see spread of other viruses that are spread by the same mosquito, the first case in florida. this shows that mosquito season is here, summer is heating up and so is zika. we now have more than 1,000 cases of zika in puerto rico that are confirmed and reported. we've seen cases throughout the u.s. we have 341 pregnant women who have evidence of zika infection in the u.s. including puerto rico, so this is a serious problem. there are some things you can do to protect yourself. most importantly, if you're pregnant don't travel to a place where skezika is spreading. >> i want to ask you about the case of the baby born with microcephaly, what do you know about that particular case? >> we don't comment on individual cases, but what we

see with zika is a range of problems with the infant. from very severe problems to milder problems and we still don't know for infants born with a normal sized head if they'll have other brain development problems and we may not know that for months or years. that's why the plain truth here is that we have to protect pregnant women. that means if you're pregnant, don't travel to a place that has zika. if your partner is pregnant and you have traveled, use a condom, and do everything possible to control mosquitos and reduce the risk to pregnant women. >> if you are infected with zika while pregnant, are you guaranteed to have a baby with thee types of problems? >> many women have given birth to babies who appear to be normal. we may not know for months or even years whether that baby has other problems, but the highest risk is in the first or second trimester. every day we're learning more so

we can protect women more effectively. >> just last week you were saying here in the u.s. we are likely to see hundreds of thousands of cases of zika within a year. are we ready for it? >> well, the major risk within the united states is in puerto rico where they have a real challenge and we need to do everything we can to support them because they have had many, many infections that are similarly spread within the continental u.s. or mainland, we're primarily going to see travelers coming back with zika because there are tens of millions of people who go to places where zika is spreading. there are some places in the southern u.s. where we've seen single cases, that's been the most common pattern with similarly spread viruses or in three different communities we have seen clusters of zika -- of other infections that are spread like zika, so that's what we might see with zika. >> the money to provide resources to combat this disease is being held up right now in

congress. we mow the president has asked for nearly $2 billion in money to help toward zika efforts. right now the senate is considering 1.1 billion. the house has their own bull, how much money is really needed and what can't be done without the money? >> it's so important that we begin the long-term work now to protect pregnant women better, to better understand what zika does in pregnancy. to come up with better ways to diagnose the infection and come up with a vaccine to protect women from infection and reduce the risk of microcephaly from zika. in the end congress did the right thing with ebola and i'm hoping they'll do the right thing with zika. but the sooner we get started on these long-term projects, the sooner we can protect women better. >> our thanks to you this morning. >> thank you. >> we're following a lot of news this morning. hillary clinton, donald trump not pulling any punches.

let's get to it. >> do you really believe that hillary is presidential? >> i look extremely presidential. >> donald trump is a fraud. >> hillary clinton lies. i mean, she lies. >> we see someone who is unfit to be president. >> crooked hillary, she doesn't know what the hell she's doing. >> it's kind of scary. >> i've never experienced anything like this. >> it's awful. >> it has not stopped rising at all. >> it's coming up so fast. >> where are we going to do? >> he's grabbing my son. i can't watch this. >> the child's life was in tremendous jeopardy. >> the gorilla is the true victim here. >> my heart sank when we heard that gunshot. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo. >> good morning. welcome back to your "new day." anna here, good to have you here as always.

if you thought the attacks between hillary clinton and donald trump could not get uglier, you were wrong, my friend. trump taking off the gloves after undergoing a day of intense scrutiny himself. he's slamming clinton's foreign policy record insisting she has quote, no actual talent. >> clinton firing back accusing trump of being a fraud for ripping off students in his now defungt trump university. clinton to contrast her policy with trump's. let's start with jason carroll live from los angeles. >> hello to you and good morning. it is very clear these candidates are going to continue to go after each other. they're going toe to toe on a number of issues including foreign policy. look for more of the same from both candidates today here in california. >> hillary clinton, she lies. >> reporter: after a day of intense scrutiny over his

controversy written trump university, donald trump launching a barrage of assaults against hillary clinton. >> one of the worst secretary of states in the history of our country. >> reporter: trump trying to get ahead of a clinton speech today where she criticizes his foreign policy proposals including one where trump suggests arming south korea and japan with nuclear weapons. >> they sent me a copy of the speech and it was such lies about my foreign policy. they said i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. >> reporter: but clinton relentlessly slamming him as a fraud. >> he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. >> reporter: the democratic front runner capitalizing on newly released testimony on ex- staffers accusing trump

university of unethical, misleading and dishonest conduct, a fraudulent scheme that preyed on the elderlynd uneducated to separate them from their money. >> trump and his employees took advantage of vulnerable americans, encouraging them to destroy their financial futures, all while making promises they knew were false from the beginning. donald trump himself is a fraud. >> reporter: president obama also bringing the heat against trump. >> he just says well, i'm going to negotiate a better deal. well, how -- how exactly are you going to negotiate that? what magic wand do you have and usually the answer is he doesn't have an answer. >> reporter: trump unsurprisingly vowing to hit back. >> she's going to start campaigning. well, if he campaigns that means i'm allowed to hit him just like i hit bill clinton i guess. right? >> well, let's wait to hear what

trump has to say about the president at his rally in san jose later today. as for trump university, his campaign team says basically these allegations are all false and his legal team has put forth a number of people who say they were quite satisfied with what they received from trump u. >> thanks for that report. now, hillary clinton is set to begin five days of campaigning in california. she has a major national security address today targeting donald trump's foreign policy plans. cnn's chris freight joins us with more on that. >> reporter: hillary clinton is set to slam donald trump again today and what her campaign is billing as a major foreign policy speech. clinton's campaign says she'll paint trump as unfit to be commander in chief arguing that his policy things like banning muslims and questioning nato are

dangerous and yesterday clinton gave a preview on what to expect. >> donald trump has disqualified himself completely. he has attacked our closest allies. he has said let's pull out of nato. he has praised the dictators of north korea. he's advocated more countries getting nuclear weapons. >> reporter: this will be the first foreign policy speech since trump became the presumptive nominee. and politically the speech is aimed at winning over never trump republicans who are part of the national security elite and gop women who question trump's temperament. she's also trying to eat into trump's lead among white men and she will contrast her experience on the world stage with what they say is trump's constant trash talking of america and she will lay out what she believes the next president must do to keep the country safe and

posperous. she's going to deliver this speech in california where she needs to project strength not just against donald trump but also against bernie sanders. a new poll shows sanders and clinton neck and neck in california ahead of the state's primary on tuesday. >> thanks so much for all of that. let's go indepth with what hillary clinton plans to say about foreign policy today, trump's and her own. we want to bring in jeremy bash. he's the former chief of staff and a hillary clinton surrogate. thanks so much for being here. >> thanks. >> we have a little preview of what she plans to do. i can put it up on the screen for you and everyone. she's going to tout her record as tough calls as secretary of state. she's going to declare donald trump unfit and unqualified for the job. she's going to stress the presidency and of course it's not enough for her to just criticize donald trump. she has to sort of tout what she believes she's done well and so

let's talk about her tenure as secretary of state. because her critics say that it was marked by some tragic failures. what do you think was her greatest success in that role? >> well, she has a very strong record as secretary of state. she'll be putting that record forward. her effort to get diplomatic and to protect our allies all over the world and to really rebuild america's alliances and that is going to be in stark contrast to what donald trump is offering. as i've talked to pentagon leaders and military officials, intelligence professionals and people across the national security world, they're really concerned here, because they're concerned that donald trump is not got the right temperament for the job and we're going to be handing this guy the nuclear codes, commanding control of our more than 2 million forces in uniform. you really want someone whose hand is on the button, who

lashes out at allies, who's got thin skin, who really says the most unbelievable things about our friends and our enemies, the one who wins applauds from kim jong un, so there's a very stark contrast that's going to unfold here over the next several weeks in this campaign. >> let's talk about what some of secretary clinton's critics say will come back to haunt her in terms of foreign policy and one of them is what happened in libya and in particular, it's what president obama calls one of his biggest mistakes as president and that is failing to plan for the aftermath of the ousting of libyan leader. was that an oversight by mrs. clinton, a bad judgment call? >> well, most certainly we could have all done better. our country and allies could have done better, but it was incredibly important to give support to the opposition in

libya because he was threatening to annihilate the civilian population there. our allies were going to engage in a military campaign, so i feel very strongly that what we did in libya to support that effort was very important. it's a very challenging task and it's something that i think the next president will have to be dealing with and so the question here, because voters going into the election booth in november are going to have a choice. and the choice is going to be whether you want someone who is tested, who has the temperament to be commander in chief, that's secretary clinton or you will have someone whose finger is on the button with the wrong temperament, someone who lashes out, someone who has thin skin. someone who doesn't understand the importance of allies. >> let me show you the latest poll. it also spells out what could be another vulnerability for secretary clinton and that is it

asks americans who would best handle isis. and donald trump wins this one. he gets 49% to her 41%. why do you think americans have that impression? >> well, clearly donald trump has no idea what is required to take on isis. to take on isis we have to intensify our military effort as secretary clinton has laid out. we have to engage with our allies in the region. we have toe engage in cyber space, we have to intensify our air campaign against isis' command and control. donald trump has no clue on earth what it takes to defeat terrorism. he has no clue on earth it takes to get our allies together to work on a terrorist threat. >> it was president obama who called isis the jv team who underestimated them and some say clinton didn't rebuke him for that. she didn't counter that at the time that it was happening and that also makes americans

distrustful of the fight against isis. >> she has laid out in a series of comprehensive foreign policy speeches going back to after the attacks in paris and san bernardino and brussels. you'll hear more about it in the speech today. and that again, is in sharp contrast to donald trump's rhetoric. you know, as i talk to people who have served in the pentagon, who have served in our military and our intelligence posts overseas, what they keep coming back to is, we want someone who is a commander in chief, not someone who is a reality tv star, who has no idea what it means to command our nuclear forces, to command our military units and to really lead america on the world stage and i think she's going to put out a positive vision about america and he's going to talk about we're a third world country and the world is laughing at us.

he fundamentally thinks america is weak and she is going to lay out a very strong positive message about what america can achieve on the world stage to protect our interests here at home. >> thanks so much for being here to give us a preview of what secretary clinton will be talking about today. >> thank you. >> all right. we have to keep an eye on texas. dangerous flooding is just wreaking havoc there and there is more expected through the end of the week. you're looking at the brazos river. it's already at record levels. the problem, it's still rising. we're live on the ground in texas. what's it like there? >> reporter: chris, i'm standing in the river right now. i mean, an inch of the river, but we are a quarter mile from where the river should be. this is not a boat ramp. this is a road that goes down to the river and around the other side of the interstate. the problem is that we are in a tropical air mass right now. if i walk over here to the grass, it's just a sloppy mess.

you can hear it sloshing below my feet and the grass is like this everywhere. the sun is going to come out today and when it does, it's going to evaporate that rain there that's already on the grass back up into the atmosphere and we're going to get more and more rain. this is a barrier that goes all the way down to the bottom of the river. there's a sign that says merge ahead because cars should be coming up this direction. so we are in this feedback mechanism where it rains every day. it's a lot like when you're in a drought, you don't get the evaporation and then it doesn't rain every day. there is a tremendous amount of rain to our west. it's going to rain here all day long. it's going to rain here tomorrow. it's going to rain here saturday and it finally ends on sunday. in north houston they had areas that picked up 6 inches of rainfall in about four hours. we're worried about the flash flooding. i always look for the high water mark, you know, to see where it is, how far it's come down. we are still the high water

mark. this river is still coming up. it will come up all day today and if we get more rain it's going to come up a lot. i may be up this ramp about another 10 or 20 feet tomorrow. >> is this because of el nino or why are they getting so much rain? is there an explanation? >> reporter: well, originally, yes, because the storms were forced down across mexico early in the year and then up here into texas and now because we're saturated with that early in the season rain, now the sun comes out, evaporates the water and it rains again. it rains every single day, so yes, in part el nino, but a couple of years ago we were talking about how this state was devastated by drought. so it just snapped its fingers and all of a sudden we're on the other side of the drought. >> mother nature. thank you so much. stay safe there. a top pentagon official charged after threatening a nanny over a parking spot and then stealing her license

plates. the big question this morning, why? we're live in washington. >> reporter: good morning. it is a bizarre and surprising story having covered the pentagon during the iraq war i talked to bryan whitman on numerous occasions. he is one of their top spokesmen and court documents confirm the washington spoes story that on april 4th in a capitol hill neighborhood a note was placed on the nanny's windshield which said quote, i know you're misusing the visitor pass to park here daily. if you do not stop i will report it. two days later one of the nanny's license plates were stolen and two days after that her second license plate was taken. the nanny replaced the plates and secured it with allen boats, and mounted a video camera from their home's front window.

they caught the culprit trying to steal these new plates. they discovered it was bryan whitman. he was charged with three counts of misdemeanor theft. they 'agreed to have this dismissed if he pays restitution, performs community service and stays away from the nanny. >> that's not even road rage. that's like parking rage. you know? >> it's kind of a crazy situation in d.c., but -- >> thank you for that reporting. >> okay. well, president obama reportedly eager to get out on the trail and fire up democrats. he dove right into the fray yesterday. what he said next.

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the republican nominee for president has already said he'd dismantle all these rules that we picked. that is crazy. have we really forgotten what just happened eight years ago? >> that is president obama hitting the campaign trail at a town hall in elk hart, indiana.

he was there to draw distinctions between what he says needs to happen for the country and what donald trump is promising in an economic plan that he called as you heard, crazy. he's said to be chomping at the bit to get out on the trail? is that going to hurt? let's discuss. we have hillary clinton supporter and cnn political commentator and donald trump supporter jeffrey lord. gentlemen, good to see you both. what is the upside of having president obama out on the trail going after trump, trying to help clinton oor whomever the nominee is? >> this is what a lot of people have been waiting for to be completely honest with you. the upside is the president has an approval rating and i don't think there's any question that obama would have a third term.

everything that he's hitting on, all of these metrics that he's hitting on, he's showing the difference between what a true leader is in obama between someone who is very devicive in donald trump, but i will tell you this. this is not only political for barack obama but this is also personal because we have to remember that donald trump is the person that put a $5 million bounty and trying to delegitimize the first african american president of the united states. >> trump doesn't want to talk about that anymore, but here's what he had to say about the president hitting the campaign trail. >> if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okiedoke just because, you know, it -- you know, it sounds funny or the tweets are

provocative, then we're not going to build on the progress that we've started. >> this is a president who doesn't have a clue, and this president now is very -- he's going to start campaigning. if he campaigns i'm allowed to hit him just like i hit bill clinton i guess, right? >> we always like the promise of better to come. to the suggestion, i don't think we're going to hear about the birther thing coming out of donald trump this time but what do you think hi counter attack will be? >> i think one of them will be the economy and it is very interesting, the president's notion that thinks we're in terrible shape last year and that's how we got there somehow is because of conservative pollicis. we got there because bill clinton's administration insisted that banks provide

mortgages to people, americans who couldn't afford them. and there was a massive collapse of the economy because of that. so i think this is a great thing. let's bring it on. >> do you believe the economy is fertile ground for the democrats? >> oh, there's no question about it. millions of americans agree with me. the fact is we have about 84 straight months of private sector job growth. the unemployment rate under the last republican president was nearly two times what it is today. the stock market if anyone looks at their 401(k) today versus what it was when president obama took office you'll see it's gone up 10,000 points. so although wages are flat and although there are things that can do better but we're talking about an economy that can do better. >> i want to switch the topic and i'll let you get in on it. but foreign policy is going to matter also and the perception of the country within the country right now, is that we are weak. that the situation in the world

is worse after the obama administration. how much of a vulnerability do you think this is for him if he hits the trail? >> well, i don't think it's much of a vulnerability. i think that our country is continuing to deal with a great threat from isis and isil but we have to remember when president obama took over in office the greatest threat was alqaida. we were on the hunt that we've seen in the century and now he's not here anymore to pose that threat to this country anymore. and so they have been tough choices made by this president and we still have yet a ways to go in combatting isis and isil but we are a lot stronger than we were. so i think that americans will look at and they'll support the president and secretary clinton. >> jeffrey? >> yeah, iraq is a mess. we were on the verge of victory there. we were fine. i mean, you can argue whether we should have gone in or not, but once there, we did the job and

president obama took out the troops and dessimated the place and there is isil in its place. so that's not much of a record here and that's before you get to libya. that's before you get to bengha benghazi. where was he at 3:00 in the morning when the call came in? the russian reset, all of these things are a disaster. so i think this is why donald trump's numbers on foreign policy, they believe he would be stronger with dealing with isis are so high. >> you guys did a very good job of laying out both sides of the argument and now the people can decide what they want to hear and we'll give it to them going forward. thank you very much. well, the lesser of three evils is how some have really positioned this race, the 2016 presidential election. new york times columnist tells us he came up with hi answer when he looked at who is telling the biggest whoppers on the

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honesty, it is not something that voters think hillary clinton or donald trump have as their strong suits, but in a new poll, 44% say trump is more trustworthy than clinton. she is at 39%. still our next guest believes clinton is more honest than her rivals in this race. he's the author of the book "hot, flat and crowded." great to have you here in studio with us. >> thanks so much. >> let me read a portion of your new column. you say hillary's fibs or lack of candor are all about bad judgments she made on issues that will not impact the future of my family or my country. private e-mail servers all

really stupid but my kids will not be harmed by those poor calls. oh, boy. i mean, her critics will say that you're spinning -- you call what she says fibs, untruths, and you call what her rivals say lies. why? >> well, it's very simple. again, i'm really caring about what's going to affect me and my family and her speaking at goldman sachs, even her really bad judgment around e-mails is not going to i think affect me or my country, but when someone comes out with an economic plan for my country's future that's going to drive up the deficit according to nonpartisan economis economists, the only way we can afford it is if we cut the defense budget, the research budget and education budget, those are burger king double whoppers that will affect the entire country. i'm not trying to diminish what she says -- what she's done --

>> but bad judgment also affects you and your future if the president has bad judgment. >> what kind of bad judgment is not being able to do math? $10 trillion, that's pretty bad judgment. >> it's a suggestion. when i get in there we'll make it work, so let's talk about what we can look at to trust what will happen once we get in there. e-mail is not a fib, it's not a small thing. it matters. that ig report is filled with things to discuss. the fbi discussion is ongoing. the clun ton global initiative has unspoken questions that she doesn't want to get out there about. benghazi looms large in terms of would clinton put life on the line in a risky way. none of those are small categories. all go to judgment and probably are a big chunk of her unfavorable. how can they be dismissed? >> they didn't be dismissed. i think if you're concerned about iraq, ben za zi, all those

things, you can't -- when i weigh these things, fact checking organization says three quarters of the time he's not speaking the truth, that's a bad batting arcverage, but what i ce about, is what is your vision for the country and if your plan is to come in and bust the budget not just a little, not just -- just some extra, if you're out there selling the american people a budget that is utterly unrealistic, by the way, not just that, if you're telling people mexico is going to build a wall, they're going to pay for it, we're going to evict 11 million illegal immigrants, these are giant whoppers that -- i'm not saying that hillary is, you know, innocent of this. i'm saying if you're saying she's the only one untrustworthy here, let's balance who's telling what. these are giant whoppers that will affect your kids.

>> but you're actually saying that they are -- her rivals are telling bigger whoppers and of course secretary clen ton's critics always bring up benghazi and they say that is a threat. four americans were killed, she said different stories at dumpt times that those were lies. how have you made peace with that if you don't think that one was a whopper. >> my view about benghazi is simple. if you have an american diplomat in a country that's highly unstable, there's only one way that person can be protected and that is if the host government has security on the ground to protect them. if we would have had 12 more, that's just 12 more people that would have been killed. benghazi was a disaster waiting to happen. >> and you don't see the shifting narrative after wards as -- >> i do. they're all fibs, i'm not even -- i'm not trying to defend those.

i'm saying if you think she's the only one -- >> if you think she's the only one who's shading the truth here, not only is she not the only one, but these people over here, the things that they are misleading you on are huge. >> so this is a relative argument. >> i'm not saying -- yeah. >> but here's the thing. >> it's inherently frustrating when your best case is they're both liars, you know, he's a liar too and i'm immediately unsatisfied. you know what i mean? in terms of assessing it. >> if you read my column. >> word for word. >> the point is i wish we had better choices. okay? and i'm not here to defend hillary. if you read my column you know -- >> you're apportioning things. >> i'm saying if trustworthiness is the issue, then let's look at the whole story. >> you also want to defend her fibbing call the clinton campaign. >> we have them on all the time.

the theme is though clintons come first. if you go back until the 80s, literally, most of us grew up in this business with this stuff, the theme is consistent, they get in trouble, or there are allegations, they get vetted and somehow it's what they did after whatever this was is what caused the problem. >> i want to tell you what i'm referring to. we're about to have an election that is going to determine all three branches of government. this is a huge moment. i wish we had better choices. we don't. we've got these three choices and given these three choices you're going to have to make a choice and i'm going to make the choice over the person i think is the most practical unifier, number one, and who's lying, whatever you want to call it i think is less significant or is of equal proportion to the other two and where it comes down for me and the country, i'm going to go there. that's all i'm saying here. i'm not here to defend her in

the least. i've got to make a choice. all right? you know, the people i want to run, they're not on the menu. this is the menu, this is a critical time. you've got to make this choice. who's lying, okay? i happen to care about huge lies about the future of my country rather than lies that are about someone else's judgment. if you come out in another place, god bless you. vote for bernie sanders or donald trump. >> let's talk about bernie sanders, you say in your column i think the ideology bernie is selling -- >> that's single admission that you're talking about there. where are the lies? >> he's got an economic plan out there that he thinks the country can possibly afford or pay for. >> free college, universal health care.

>> yeah, a family leave, we are talking about a huge change in our economy that could only be paid for by radical reductions in our defense budget, education and research and would leave a debt burden on our kids that would be absolutely onerous for a generation. so what do you call that? >> you're saying he hasn't spelled that out. >> i'm saying other people have spelled that out and he's out there selling it. whose nonsense do you think is most dangerous? >> how did we get here? >> how did we get here? oh, man, that's -- >> because look at the firsts that we're dealing with. we've never had unfavorable like this coming out of conventions. you've never had one on trial for fraud and the other the fbi looking at them. >> we have an environment now, in the media, all of us, it's so

noisy out there. when you pound on someone, benghazi, or any of these issues over time it all just seeps in. all right? it's incredibly noisy out there now, but we have to look at this situation, we have a man running for president who when he tells the truth it's breaking news. that's called donald trump. okay? we have a guy out there who just this week insulted a federal judge who is overseeing a case he is involved in referred to as a mexican as if that should be an insult. we have a guy who is talking every day in this country in ways you wouldn't want your five-year-old kid to talk. that's the choice we have. i'm not here to defend hillary clinton. okay? if i were nominating i would be nominating someone else but we've got to make a choice and i think if you make a choice for this kind of man who is speaking this way, the impact on the country, do you realize the impact the president has in the language we use around the country, how people respond to

that, how people mimic that? if you give an okay -- >> nobody hears it more than we do. i promise you that. >> what's interesting is that the way his supporters see it is that somebody's finally telling the truth. they're dispensing with political correctness. they're calling it like it is. it might be insulting but they're not spinning it. that's how his supporters see it. you're talking about you don't like the tone -- >> i don't like the tone and substance. >> but what you've cited he hurls insults. they might be the truth. >> look, you know, telling it like it is, you want to tell it like it is? is it -- does anyone here believe that mexico is going to build a wall on this border? does anyone believe that we can carpet bomb isis out of existence, that's all that's missing is a few extra bombs? is that really telling like it is? it sounds like straight talk. it's full of test tost roaoster.

we're in a world today, if i were running for president and someone said, you know, how do we respond when the phone rings at 3:00 a.m. in the morning? you know what my answer is? don't answer it. that's what my answer is. we have never been in a world since i've been covering foreign policy 35 years that is as messy as it is now? we have gone from having to manage strength to managing weakness. and managing weakness, weakness in allies and weakness in countries that are falling apart, where the only option you have is to rebuild them, that is hell on wheels. i wouldn't want to be running foreign policy today on any decision. so to come in now like trump saying all that's missing is a little testosterone, someone who has the balls to take down isis, i'll tell you what happens, we have to go door to do in mosul,

and then we own mosul because iraqis can't agree on who should control mosul the morning after. so for the third time invade iraq, then they couldn't agree, do the search, then they couldn't agree. take mosul, then they couldn't agree. these are incredibly messy situations and if you treat them as if it's just a testosterone, he's telling it like it is, well, you'll get what you deserve. >> one of the complications with covering donald trump is that he changes what he says. so for instance he will say yes, maybe it's time for japan to defend itself, maybe they should have nuclear weapons as -- i'll play it for you and we can talk about what he's said in the past 24 hours. >> they said i want japan to nuke, i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. >> japan has a problem with that. they have a big problem with that. maybe they would in fact be

better off if they defend themselves. >> we played that in reverse. he said they'd be better off defending themselves with nukes and then he claimed he never said that. we're in this place in time where politicians evolve on things. that's another euphemism but it's hard to -- you have to give it to somebody if somebody's changed their position, what are we to say? >> look, i've changed my position. we all change our positions. i tend not to change every position every other day. and that's what we're dealing with here. i don't envy you, your jobs having to do this. i get to opine about it, but the fact is we have someone running for president who in my experience has done the least amount of homework, serious deep thinking and study on the biggest issues facing the country. and one of the reasons -- one of the manifestations of that is precisely this. he'll blurt something out and someone comes along and then you

get the opposite. that's a manifestation of someone who hasn't done the original homework in the minimum way. so if you want someone like that for president you're going to get, i think, someone who is deeply unstable on major issues. >> here's what we've learned sitting at this table. donald trump is the face of america's frustration, their fear, and their anger. and with those emotions also goes along a different analysis of behavior. you don't hold yourself to the same standards of what you say and how consistent it is and how correct it is or how right it is. they reject the status quo. >> i'm going to disagree with you. >> hillary clinton checks every box of someone who is tired of politicians who say one thing and do nothing. >> no question, chris m i think what you're seeing is people are bored and they're cynical. i think they're cynical that washington can do anything, that government even matters so what

the hell, let's have a reality tv character. i think that's as much going on as the other. i think people are bored and they're cynical and that's a tragic problem and it's a problem not only of obama the last ought years, it's also a product of a party who spent the last eight years trying to make government not work so obama would fail and after a while people think it doesn't matter. money and politics is out of all control and so people say it doesn't matter. let's have fun. he's incredibly entertaining. >> i see it differently. i think people are sick of being promised things. voters say they've been promised things by their politicians and then the politicians get to washington and they betray them. >> that's when the cynicism comes in. >> they're promising they're going to vote against it, and then they're promised it isn't going to pass, but it does.

i'm going to vote somebody who is going to do what he promises and that's why we're all here talking about that. >> we're just changes every 15 minutes. so which word is he changing. >> the bar is low because they're used to that because of the system already. having had the benefit of getting to travel a lot and understand the world from abroad as well as from within, do you see any resonance or echo of your concerns about trump anywhere else? >> i think what's going on globally, chris, is that basically we're in the middle of an incredible inflection point around technology, around climate and around globalization. i think it's blowing up weak countries, and blowing up the politics of strong countries including our d.c. and europe as well. i think we're in the middle of three accelerations at the same time. we see how everything is

changing. our politics is set up. our two parties to respond to the new deal in the industrial revolution. now, where i would give trump credit is that he's basically remade the republican party. he's basically saying our platforms can no longer respond to the world at large. i don't think he's got the right counterresponses. i think we're many the beginning though, of the complete remaking of our two party system. >> do you think there's a sense from leadership abroad that he's the danger that you predict he could be? >> trump? i don't think they take him particularly seriously. and that's my point. whatever they think, i don't really care. i got one country. i have a friend who said to me once, you know, you americans, you kick this country around like it's a football. well, it's not a football. it's an egg. we can break it, we can drop it and if we elect someone who is

so fundamentally unqualified and done so little homework on the major issues of the day, do i wish we had better choices? you bet i did. but we're going to have to choose one of these three characters and i'm going to pick one that's going to do the least damage and has the most potential to lead in an effective way. if someone has a fourth option out there i'm happy to listen to it but we have to make a choice. we're in the middle of a gigantic inflection point and if we get this wrong, we cannot afford eight years to ignore climate change, to treat climate change as a chinese plot as donald trump said to us. we cannot afford eight years to not have a proper education infrastructure, to waste money building a wall, we have got to get this right. you can't just not govern the country as we've been doing for the last eight years.

>> great to hear your words in person, not just read them on the page. thanks so much. >> you should be here more. >> any time. >> these discussions come up from time to time. >> i enjoyed it. i really appreciate it. thanks for having me. another important discussion this morning former trump university workers are now speaking out and some of them claim that trump's school was a lie, a fraud, a scheme to bilk people out of money. what do the former students think? we'll hear from two with very different opinions still ahead. ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

all right. we're going to talk about the fraud trial against the now-defunct trump university. i keep using quotes because the organization was told it couldn't call its a university anymore so that's why it's in quotes. you have an attorney general after it and multiple class action lawsuits. documents called "play books" that contained the practices and priorities that were just released by one judge certainly raise questions. and this is about a lot of people and money. between 2005 and 2010, the university enrolled more than 10,000 students and took in more than $40 million. thousands of those former students are now suing, calling trump deceptive and fraudulent.

former employees say the goals were to "make money as quickly as possible, prey upon the elderly and uneducated" and they allege the instructors had "it will to no experience." trump, for his part, puts out different employees but mainly students that say they had a good experience. he rejects the claims and refuses to give in. take a listen. >> i have a judge who's very, very unfair. he knows he's unfair and i'll win the trump university case. i could settle that case. i could have settled it. i just choose not to. in fact, when i ran they said why didn't you settle up that case? i don't want to settle up the case. >> two things that are important to note about this judge. one, he agreed with trump's lawyers and continued the date for these lawsuits. so trump got the ruling he wanted. second, trump nor his attorneys have ever moved to have this judge removed for any of the reasons he just said on the podium. with that out of the way, let's discuss the experience with actual people who went to this

school. trump university students. we have jesus castillo, who praises the program, says it worked for him. and bob gilla who says it didn't work for him, he's suing. bob, what's the most important thing for people to know about your experience? >> first of all, i worked for a service company for over 28 years and i knew that in order to file a document in the state of new york with the words "university, college, school" it had to be approved by the department of education. i looked up on the web site of the department of state and i found out that trump university llc was a legitimate filed limited liability company so i figured, hey, this is a real school. i went to a three-day seminar and it was headed by a man by the name of james harris who was probably the best motivational speaker i've ever heard of in my life and james harris kept

showing us the video that we just showed about donald trump and donald trump said "i personally interviewed all of these students" sorry. >> instructors. >> "all of tease instructors and they are experienced in real estate." and i listened to this for three days, friday, saturday, and sunday. and at the end of the three days, i said to myself well, i said based upon trump's experience in real estate, the fact that he's a multibillionaire, it sounds like a good deal. and james harris was telling me, guys, donald trump is a multibillionaire, he doesn't need your money, he's just benevolent and offering this course to you guys so that you can become successful real estate investors as he is. >> so what was the bad side? >> the bad side of it was that it was all a scam.

>> how? >> first of all, i got absolutely nothing out of the course in all of the four, three days workshops that i attended because most of the stuff was available on the internet. the instructor would say "if you want to know what your deductions are for the irs as a business corporation, go to irs.gov." hey, i knew that already. >> all right, hold on one second. jesus, you had a very different experience. why do you believe that it was what you signed up for and worked for you? >> well, i just had good results after the course. i took every single part of the course, i did the whole thing, i did the mentorship and i had actually a good follow-up after every deal that i did and i made my money back on my first deal right after i finished the whole course. so i had a great experience. >> you believe that the course taught you things that you were able to put in into practice and made you money? >> yeah.

quickly. quickly. you, of course, have to do your home work. it's not going to -- the instructors weren't there to tell you, well, you've got to do this, you've got to do that. they were only there to give you a guideline of the things that you can do to make deals and how to structure a deal and how you can work with multifamilies, commercial properties. every single instructor that was there had an experience in the real field out there. that was my experience and i'm really glad i went there. >> so why didn't you have an experience like jesus? i know you didn't go to the same place at the same time and there will be a variability of different instructors but could this just be about your ability to put in into practice the things the way jesus did? >> absolutely not. all of the forms were generic forms that were not fileable in new york state. i'm a resident in new york

state. i'm going to buy and sell property in new york state. you have to have forms that are complying with the statute of new york state and every one of these three-day workshops was just a scam to get you to pay more and more and more money. one of them was called the wealth preservation workshop. it was handled by trump's attorney mr. childers who comes from little rock, arkansas. and he wanted to sell a package worth, i believe, $10,000 to do -- to organize a corporation or limited liability company and i could do that myself. i didn't need him. and it was every one of these was an upsell to get you to pay more and more and more money. after the first day of the actual workshop after the seminar given by james harris i knew that i was scammed and i

started doing research. i filed foya requests with tia department of state and the attorney general and i found that my experience was not unique. >> well, that's what the attorney general said, but jesus you had a very different experience and we want people to know that, too, because there were plenty of people who say it was a success. as we learn more about the trial, jesus, we'll come back and see if it squares with your experience. bob, you as well. appreciate you setting the table for us. there will be many conversations about this as the story goes forward. president obama seems ready to hit the campaign trail and take on trump. what will that mean? let's get to it. >> hillary is a person with absolutely no natural talent. >> trump took advantage of vulnerable americans. >> these are crooked people. >> he is trying to scam america.

>> he just says i'm going to negotiate a better deal. what magic and with do you have? >> we have had an on campus shooting, there are two deceased. >> we have all the lights off, our windows are blocked. >> one of the scariest half hours of my life. >> our primary goal is to review our security procedures. >> my son is down with the gorilla. >> he's dragging him from one end to the other. oh, my god. he's dragging my son, i can't watch this. >> i will never forget it, it was absolutely horrific. good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day, it's thursday june 2, ana cabrera is with us this morning. great to have you here. the insults and attacks continue in the race for the white house, donald trump in a take no prisoner mode after enduring an intense day of scrutiny regarding trump university.

trump ripping hunk, illary clin insisting she has no natural talent. >> clinton said insults are not enough and then she had a whopper for donald trump saying he is a fraud and today she says she'll show the difference between the two on foreign policy in a major speech. she says she'll outline what her staffers call the difference between policy and puffery. let's dig into what that could mean. we have the 2016 election covered the way only cnn can. jason carroll starts us off live in los angeles. jason? good morning to you, chris. trump and clinton squaring off on a number of issues, including foreign policy. expect to hear more attacks from both candidates as they hit the road here in california. >> hillary clinton, she lies. >> reporter: after a day of controversy over trump university, donald trump unleashing a barrage of insults against hillary clinton. >> hillary is not a talented

person. one of the worst secretaries of state in the history of our country. she's not qualified because she has bad judgment. >> reporter: trump trying to get ahead of a clinton speech today where she criticizes his foreign policy proposals, including one where trump suggests arming south korea and japan with nuclear weapons. >> they sent me a copy of the speech and it was such lies about my foreign policy that they said i want japan to nuke. weapons.apan to get nuclear give me a break. >> reporter: that policy -- one he's actually called for multiple times. >> north korea has nukes, japan has a problem with that. they have a big problem with that. maybe they would, in fact, be better off if they defend themselves from north korea. >> with nukes? >> including with nukes, yes. >> reporter: clinton unleashing her sharpest attacks yet against the presumptive nominee relentlessly slamming him as a fraud. >> he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u.

>> reporter: the democrat i can run front-runner capitalizing on newly released testimony from former staffers of accusing trump university of inethical, misleading and dishonest conduct, a fraudulent scheme that preyed on the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. >> trump and his employees took advantage of vulnerable americans encouraging them to destroy their financial futures all while making promises they knew were false from the beginning. donald trump himself is a fraud. >> reporter: president obama also bringing the heat against trump. >> he just says "i'm going to negotiate a better deal." well, how exactly are you going to night? what magic and with do you have and usually the answer is he doesn't have an answer. >> reporter: trump, unsurprisingly, vowing to hit back. >> he's going to start campaigning. well, if he campaigns, that means i'm allowed to hit him

just like i hit bill clinton, i guess, right? [ cheers and applause ] >> ana, it's strange he says "allowed to hit him" when quite frankly he's been doing that all along. he hits the president at every single one of his rallies. nothing new there. in terms of the allegations about trump university, trump's campaign basically dismissed those allegations and trump's legal team released the names of several people who say they were satisfied by everything that they received from trump u. ana? >> jason carroll, thank you. hillary clinton planning to hit back today, campaigning hard in california. she's going to be there the next five days trying to bring home a victory next tuesday but she's not focusing her attacks on her primary opponent. today she'll deliver a major policy speech focused largely on the dangers of donald trump's foreign policy plans. cnn's chris frates with more on this ang this will mole this mo. good morning, chris. >> good morning, ana.

hillary clinton is set to slam donald trump once again today in what her campaign is billing as a major foreign policy speech designed to cast trump as a lightweight and a security risk. clinton's campaign says she'll paint trump as unfit to be commander in chief, arguing his policies, things like banning muslims and questioning nato are dangerous. and yesterday on the campaign trail, clinton gave a little preview of what to expect. >> donald trump has disqualified him completely. [ applause ] he has attacked our closest allies. he has said let's pull out of nato. he has praised the dictator of north korea. he's advocated more countries getting nuclear weapons. >> this will be clinton's first major foreign policy chief since trump became the presumptive gop nominee so she's going to focus her fire on trump and politically the speech is aimed at several key audiences. she's trying to win over "never trump" republicans who are part

of the national security elite and gop women who question trump's temperament. she's also trying to eat into trump's lead among white men. aides say clinton will contrast her experience on the world stage with what they say is trump's constant trash talking of america and clinton will lay out what she believes the next president must do to keep the country safe and prosperous. chris, back to you, my friend. >> all right, it will be interesting to see some policy being discussed and some contrast being drawn. we'll wait for that. let's talk about what the implications are of all this in the news with donald trump's national campaign co-chairman and policy advisor mr. sam clovis. sam, good to see you. >> good to see you, chris. >> so let's check the boxes with what's in the news and get your response. we just had tom friedman on very impassioned saying he wishes we had better choices but we don't. he's come up with the metric for the impact of mendacity, which lies will hurt you most and he says he's seeing clinton as a less of a liar, i guess what

you'd call it. here's a clip of his sound. i want your response. >> the fact is we have someone running for president who in my experience has done the least amount of home work, serious thinking and study, on one of the issues facing the country. and one of the manifestations is precisely this. he'll blurt something out, someone says korea and japan. and then you get the opposite. that's a manifestation of someone who hasn't done the original home work in the most minimum way. >> sam clovis, your response? >> well, honestly, you know, i watched with great interest your interview with tom, i've seen tom many times and seen him in public and i am not going to sit here and cast aspersions on a celebrated book writer and columnist for the "new york times." i think tom is entitled to his own opinion. i thought a lot of the things he offered were based on false

premises and talked about a lot of things and i would argue that with him directly if we had the opportunity to talk over coffee. i honestly don't think this is about whether or not we have someone who has not done their home work. i've been with mr. trump on countless occasions. i know how much in-depth he goes. i think he says things to get people stirred up. we wouldn't be talking about immigration reform today if it were not for mr. trump. we wouldn't be talking about review of our trade agreements without the dialogue from mr. trump. we wouldn't be talking about reviewing our alliances with nato and our support for israel if it hadn't been for mr. trump and i just to give you a quick example. i met with a group yesterday -- and i don't into who they are -- but they're eastern european people representing an eastern european country that were

absolutely totally disarmed and dismissive of how weak the united states has become in foreign policy. and they're looking to mr. trump as a person who if he delivers on what he says will be exactly the kind of person to reestablish the strength of this nation not only in united states but across the world. >> so let me play you a piece of sound that friedman was pointing out to that shows an inconsistency about the ability to marshal america's power. let's play the sound about japan. >> they said i want japan to nuke. i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. north korea has nukes. japan has a problem with that. i mean they have a big problem with that. maybe they would, in fact, be better off if they defend himself. >> with nukes? >> including with nukes, yes. including with nukes. >> now, you understand that is an obvious inconsistency or is there an explanation for that. >> i think it's the context of

the second conversation there is the fact he was asked a hypothetical and a lot of this is in the context of what the campaign has offered up many times that the united states today without the strong economy we don't have the global reach that we should have and sometimes other countries are going to have to do things that i may or may not have had to do in the past to defend themselves because we simply can't be there all the time until such time as we can get our economy back up to speed and we're able to extend the umbrella of the united states security blanket on the rest of the world. >> understood, but either you believe japan should have nukes or you don't. >> well, he was asked a hypothetical, chris. be careful, chris. be careful. >> you can ask me a hypothetical if you want, if i don't believe japan should have nukes my answer will be no. >> i think he was saying under the circumstances it may be necessary for countries to arm themselves appropriately and whether we want that to happen

is not the same as saying if under those circumstances if it's in japan's interest perhaps they ought to do those things. that's the nuance that i don't think we're getting at. >> i understand the nuance. it's important. and that's why i have you on. one of the other things that is more simple, less nuanced. a big spear during the primaries for donald trump has been you were for the iraq war and i wasn't. he used it probably a hundred times in the primaries. >> right. >> there are now questions about -- is that true? we know after the war started and later on trump said he was against it. this is a man who is on the record all the time certainly back then 2000. we haven't been able to find anything where donald trump said he was against the iraq war while it was being debated. is there something that can be provided by by the campaign? wouldn't you argue that's not nuanced, that's about whether it's true or false. >> i can't address that, chris,

i don't know. >> but it matters, right? >> i suppose it could matter. but i do think his that his position he has stated is very accurate and there is a lot of evidence that supports the fact that he was against the war once the war started. >> at the time? >> i was against the war after the war started myself. i just left the military. i had a son in the military who was over there fighting and i became very adamantly opposed to the war after it got started because i didn't see a path to victory. i didn't see a way for us to extract ourselves and i honestly couldn't see why the blood and treasure of this country was another place when we didn't n - have any clue what we were doing with our kids. >> all highly reasonable, especially when you had blood on the line and i'm sorry you had to go through that, you know, that sam. but that's not what we're talking about. we're talking about something he said that matters to people and

it was about a timing issue as well. sam clovis, we always welcome the proof on that and i always appreciate the explanation of your positions. >> always great to be on with you, see you again monday. >> i hope so, take care, sam? alisyn? authorities are still trying to determine what led up to the fatal confrontation at an ucla campus. stephanie elam joins us live with the latest. what have you learned, stephanie? >> alisyn, it was a tense couple hours on the campus of ucla as students were preparing for finals and then told they had to stay locked in place while police looked for an active shooter. >> it's hard to fathom it, to have your son grow up without a dad is rough. >> reporter: loved ones grieving over the shooting death of ucla professor william klug. he was the coach of his 10-year-old son's little league team, the father of two.

>> never a negative word, always positive, kids loved working with him because he was such an easy coach to work with. >> reporter: the professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering was inside the same building where he taught his classes wednesday morning. >> it was a normal day on campus, upwards of 25,000 students. >> reporter: shortly after 10:00 a.m., hundreds of police, swat officers and the fbi stormed the los angeles campus after reports of three gunshots coming from one of the school's engineering facilities. >> i'd suggest going back that way. >> reporter: the campus on lockdown, police shutting down streets and paralyzing parts of the city. >> people are crying, people are nervous, they're shaking. >> reporter: inside, terrified students scrambled to hide. >> i closed the door with keys and barricaded the doors and turned off the lights. >> reporter: some unable to lock the classroom door, barricading themselves in and tying cords and belts around the handles. >> our primary goal right now is to review our security procedures. >> reporter: security cameras capturing the swat team sweeping

campus buildings only to find the bodies of professor klug and another as yet unidentified male, a murder/suicide. the campus is reopening today in classes except for in the engineering buildings but they say they'll have students working back towards finals which begin on monday and graduation, which will happen on next friday, chris. >> all right, thank you very much, appreciate it. over to you, ana. a terrified mother frantically calling 911 moments after her child fell in this gorilla habitat at the cincinnati zoo. we have just released recordings that paint heart stopping images as she helplessly watch this is 450 pound animal take hold of her son. let's get to cnn's jessica schneider live in cincinnati with more. jessica? >> ana, we have seen that video and now we're hearing the panicked phone calls. the most urgent call coming from the mother of that

three-year-old boy who told the 911 dispatchers she could barely stand to watch. >> my son fell in the zoo at the gorillas. >> reporter: the mother of this three-year-old boy calling 911 amid helpless horror and attempting to console her son from afar. >> be calm. be calm. be calm. be calm. he's dragging my son. i can't watch this. i can't. >> how old is your son? >> i can't watch. [ screams ] >> reporter: six 911 calls from the scene depict the desperation of everyone standing above the gorilla moat. bystanders watching, powerless for ten tense minutes. >> the baby is still in the water but the gorilla had it. it slammed it against the wall earlier. >> okay, is any of the zoo keepers next to you right now? >> oh, god. oh, god, it's got his pants he's

taking the baby. he's -- >> listen to me, listen to me. >> he's taking the baby into the cave. oh, my god. >> reporter: this caller describing something we can't see on video, harambe taking the toddler even farther into the habitat, possibly part of the imminent danger prompting the dangerous animal response teams decision to shoot and kill harambe. one eyewitness explaining exclusively to cnn what she saw. >> it was a child who cannot endure this gorilla running across the rocks and dragging him by one foot, it was absolutely horrific and no mother should ever have to watch that. >> oh, many i god! >> reporter: this investigation still unfolding. cincinnati police working with the prosecutor's office to probe the parents and the family to find out how this all happened. chris? >> jessica, thank you very much. appreciate that. hillary clinton said to outline her foreign policy in a major speech today and also portrayed donald trump as a national

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center for international relations, retired general wesley clark, he supports hillary clinton. general, thank you so much for being here. >> nice to be with you, alisyn. >> let's compare and contrast hillary clinton's foreign policy plans as she is laid them out thus far with donald trump's and i'd love to get your insight. let's put up hillary clinton's on the screen. she says this is to defeat isis. let's start there. she would take out isis strongholds in iraq and syria with more air strikes. she would dismantle the global terror network by cutting off funds. she would strengthen u.s. and allies defense against external and homegrown threats, in part by dealing with disruption of their digital outreach. let's look at donald trump's strategy to defeat isis. he would cut off the revenue stream isis takes in from oil. he would launch more unpredictable attacks. he said he doesn't like that we telegraph our plans to isis to defeat the terror group and he would commit more air power.

those are not really radically different plans, general. where do you see the difference? >> well, i don't see that that's exactly what mr. trump has said. what he's said is he would consider killing the families of terrorists. he would implement much more extreme measures of interrogation that would include torture and it's not clear he's ruled out ground troops. he said a lot of different things at a lot of different times and he doesn't stand by what he says so the fundamental difference, the most basic difference is that hillary clinton has a reliable, consistent geo strategic approach to protect america. not just from terrorists but to maintain america's role in the world, which has brought peace and security since world war ii. what donald trump has is pot shots. he has slogans. he has barroom talk. he says one thing one time and something else another time. it's not really a policy and we

don't really know what his policy is, but what we do know is that our nation's allies are very concerned by what he says because it's not reliable, it's not consistent and it actually promotes the kind of foreign policy concerns that are potential adversaries, russia and china, are also promoting. >> and yet, general, the american public seems to like what donald trump is saying about isis. let me show you the latest quinnipiac poll just out. which presidential candidate would be more effective handling isis, donald trump gets 49% to clinton's 41%. he has this way of boiling down his promises into sort of a very satisfying soundbite which is we're going to get isis, we're going to win. >> well, i think hillary clinton has said the same thing i don't think what you're getting in the polling is an adequate reflection of how the public feels about their poforeign

policies. but we have to be careful when we're looking at public response to foreign policy. you may remember before the iraq war something like 80% of the american people believed we should have that war. 60% believed that saddam hussein was responsible for 9/11. we know in both cases public opinion was no good guide to foreign policy so we have to be careful working public opinion in foreign policy. presidents need public support but they can't base a foreign policy on polling. >> i hear you. let's talk about hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state because her critics say her time was characterized by some big failures. they cite, of course, benghazi. they site the situation, the aftermath in libya of the removal of qaddafi and then it destabilized the region. they talk about the genesis of isis. they talk about iraq falling apart. what do you think were her successes as secretary of state? >> well, i think first of all

that she established, along with the president, obviously, because the foreign policies are actually president obama's. the secretary of state implements it but it's president obama's decision. they reestablished american credibility in the world. they reduced our exposure to harm in the middle east. they tried to stabilize afghanistan. they initiated the shift toward greater retention in the pacific to counter some of china's more threatening moves in the south china sea and elsewhere. they captured osama bin laden, killed osama bin laden, rather. and so there were a lot of successes here. as far as benghazi, let's talk about benghazi. there was a complete turmoil in north africa during that period brought on in part as a consequence of climate change, in part as a consequence of the u.s. actions in iraq under the

bush administration and in part of rising expectations. and what they did, president obama and secretary of state clinton, is managed that change. yes, they did intervene in libya because qaddafi was threatening innocent people there. >> and did they have enough of a plan for the aftermath? you never know in something like this. i would like to have had a better plan. but we stood by in rwanda in 1994 when there wasn't a plan and 800,000 people were killed. we had a plan in kosovo, it worked. hillary had and president obama had access to all of that. they had the experiences with it. they did the best they could under the -- with the time constraints that they were faced so i think it's really too soon to second guess this because it's complicated by isis and

tribalism. but i don't think you can say anything other than she was an extremely effective and well-respected secretary of state. i think she did a great job. >> look, all of these things are very complicated and it is hard to boil them down to slogans and we'll be interested to hear what secretary clinton says about her foreign policy today. general wesley clark, thanks so much for your insight. >> thank you, alisyn. >> let's get to ana. when we come back, we'll break out the trump legal fight over his now defunct trump university. we'll debate strategy for both the prosecution and defense. our cnn legal minds join us next. you pay your car insurance

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>> if you don't learn from the people that we'll be putting forward, these are people that are hand-picked by me, you just won't make in the terms of the world of success. i think the biggest step towards success going to be sign up at trump university. donald trump on the sell now facing three separate lawsuits over the defunct trump university. they all arrived from one central charge, that the

for-profit school used misleading sales techniques and pitches to lure students into ponying up big money, including the one that you just heard in that trump university ad. what is the case for and against? you're hearing a lot about this but in the context of politics. this is about the law. this is a trial. let's do it that way. we'll have on the plaintiff's side cnn's legal analyst and senior trial counsel at kalan legal, paul callan. and criminal defense attorney danny cevallos. so plaintiff guess first in these civil suits. what is the main stake that the plaintiffs can bring to play? well, mr. trump is off to a particularly bad start. he started off by criticizing the judge as being mexican.

>> stick to the law, not politics. >> when those attorneys get up to argue, they'll have a tough case to argue against because trump university is the veggimatic of public universities. remember that guy ron poe peel, the pitchman? at least when he sold you the veggimatic it was capable of cut l tomatoes. in this case, trump is trying to sell these students on the idea that he's personally going to be involved. that he has the secrets of successful investing and he'll pass it on to them. of course what the evidence will show is that trump university existed for one person -- to fleece the students. >> danny cevallos, the main defense to that charge? >> it's simple, use the judo defense. say this is like many legal enterprises, like infomercials and like actual universities

wh. what do actual universities and higher education places actually guarantee? virtually nothing. the key here for the defense, put forward any actual substantive educational materials. point at them and say listen, these students may not be satisfied with their education, with their purchase but who really is in this world when it comes to education? we gave them substantive materials and substantive information and that was the value that they paid for. >> 98% approval rate, by the way, from students. >> that's a tony statistic because those students filled out those forms in front of the professors who were teaching them for three days. and the way the scam worked and the reason we're calling it a scam is because these students were called in day one they're paying $1600 to get all of the knowledge that donald trump is going to pass. donald trump, by the way, never shows up, donald trump never picks the professors as he promised he would. they fill out a credit

application. on day two they're told it's time so sign up for the trump gold elite program. now that may boost the cost to you, the student, from anywhere up to $30,000. there's one student who paid $60,000. many of these people were elderly, they drained their 401(k) programs to pay the money to learn what? >> caveat'm or the, buyer beware. >> thomas jefferson wrote the constitution and founded the university of virginia as compared to mr. trump in this case. what's his legacy going to be? he founded trump university? or who's your daddy zblufuniver? the only way you get rich of the trump formula is using your daddy's money. callan is coming at you with a thomas jefferson closing. what do you have for that, cevallos. >> every time callanicoms back

to the constitutional convention, i roh he's reaching. yes there are people coming forward saying i was pressured to do that but mr. callan how will that look when you cross-examine that person. "sir, you filled out this form, you said you liked it. do you typically sign and put your name to things that you don't agree with?" and whatever that person answers is going to be a massive, massive loss of credibility. so these witnesses -- >> danny, on just one question, you representing mr. trump in this lawsuit, are you going to roll in the cardboard cutout picture of him that the students who paid upwards of $30,000 were treated to during the course of their education at the trump university? by the way, i can't call it trump university, of course, because the state of new york has banned the use of that name because it's not really a university, it's more like veggimatic university. >> that's got to sting, cevallos, what do you have far? >> iffy that -- i go back to the

same thing. what did these student, if you call them students, what did they reasonably expect and what would a jury looking at what their expectations were really find reasonable? that's the question. >> that's two questions. >> let him finish. >> if you only wanted to meet donald trump -- if you paid that money and the only reason you paid it is because you thought you would meet donald trump, is that a reasonable expectation and what the university promised? probably not. look, the defense's move is to compare these practices not to fraudulent practices but too mere puffery. >> puffery. >> good term. puffery, what is puffery? what's puffery, cevallos? last point? >> the difference between puf r puffery and fraud is a fine one. but generally courts look to the specific claims about a product rather than general product claims and whether or not those specific claims induce it had plaintiff to rely on those

promises >> in other words, so the defense is trump university is guilty but not that guilty. that's sounds like the cevallos defense is to me. >> i don't know, i won't let you speak for cevallos. this was very helpful because this is not about politics. this is about what will happen at trial. danny, thank you very much. paul callan, as always, a pleasure. so now that you understand this not just as politics but as law, i'm telling you, this is not fictional. you'll hear these arguments made as this trial comes to bear, so what do you think? tweet us at "new day" or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. remember the daisy ad of a bomb exploding before the 1966 presidential campaign? coming up, the man behind that ad and the kind of ad he would create for this campaign season.

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>> when the head of the ku klux klan, when all these weird groups come out in favor of the candidate of my party, either they're not republicans or i'm not. >> sound familiar? that was a presidential attack ad from 1964. sounds a little like modern day politics, doesn't it? it was part of president lyndon. be johnson's reelection campaign that essentially changed political advertising from there on out. joining us now, a very special guest, sid myers, he was art director for the ad agency behind that commercial and a couple dozen others from, again,

1964. sid, great to have you here. >> nice to be here. >> i imagine you're looking at this election cycle and kind of chomping at the bit because i know you're still doing work at in that creative arena. what do you see as similarities in 1964 to what we have going on here today? >> it's so similar it's scary. any one of these commercials can be run now, just change the name. >> you think so? >> especially one that -- confessions of a republican. you just change the name on that and you could run it just the way it is. >> against donald trump. >> against donald trump, yes. >> in fact, i just want to read some of it. i wish we had more of it, here's one. "it seems to me we're up against a very different kind of man. this man scares me. maybe i'm wrong, a friend to me said listen, just because a man sounds irresponsible during a campaign doesn't mean he's going to act irresponsibly." these are the very things. >> exactly. >> how was the delivery, by the way? >> not bad.

not bad. >> tone it down a little bit. you're getting too crazy. >> so you think if you were designing an attack ad against donald trump you would revisit this? what would you do? >> it would be pretty close to this. i would take whatever he says -- he's been saying these phrases of getting rid of the mexicans and putting them across the border, you know, if you took -- made it into a visual -- what we did was take the goldwater statements and made them into visuals so it became more impactful. >> i see, so you would take what donald trump -- if you were working for hillary clinton and you were doing an attack ad against donald trump you would turn his idea to deport illegal immigrants and you would visually demonstrate that. >> could you imagine having thousands of trucks with people being loaded on to trucks in san diego and the line goes all the

way down to tijuana and loading up children, loading up old people, babies. it would be -- >> it's taking the rhetoric and simple statements. >> not only that, it harkens back to what happened in 1939 with loading people on to trains and buses so it's pretty scary. >> the visuals could be very powerful. i want to play another ad that you guys designed that's perhaps the most famous of all. take a look. this is your daisy ad. then we'll talk. >> seven, six, six, eight, nine, nine -- >> ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. >> these are the stakes, to make

a world in which all of god's children can live. >> that ad was played once and yet had a lasting impact. i want to read you what the "new york times" says about this ad. "within days of its first showing, the little girl with the daisies had come what is probably the most controversial tv commercial of all time. newspapers were bombarded with letters from angry republicans and dismayed democrats, telephone calls were made to tv stations in protest." do you take pride in having that kind of an impact? >> yes, yes. that's what it was there for. first of all, we never mentioned goldwater's name. you have to remember that two years before that the cuban missile crisis was happening. the country was so fearful of nuclear annihilation that that was in the air and all we did was just take on that commercial

and make that impressed on people's minds that this could happen. >> what would be the ad of this election cycle? what is the daisy ad of this election cycle, then? >>. [ laughter ] there were a couple of them. >> you think they were similarly controversial? there's been no ad that's more controversial than the daisy ad. >> well, keeping the muslims from coming in. >> you could take that and run with it. >> you're saying potential fodder for an ad. what do you think the line is when you're doing these ads between this is a fair way to push it and, you know what, this is too suggestive in an unfair way? >> it has to come from the truth. it has to be truthful. it can't be hyperbole. it has to be truthful. and what you do is look at that truth from a slightly perspective -- slightly off center point of view because he's been saying build a wall,

build a wall, build a wall. and it's become so prevalent that it doesn't have any effect anymore. but if you do a commercial and look at what he said about build a wall and look at it from five degrees off center you'll get some imaginative -- some impactive -- >> interesting. >> if the clinton campaign gave you a call and said we need you to bring it up, would you say yes? >> here's my card. >> all right, there you have it. there's the challenge. thank you so much, sid myers, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks for being here. the good stuff, next.

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