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olympic glory. ivan watson, cnn, rio de janeiro. >> thanks for that report. that's it for me. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. youfr"outfront" next, hilla clinton releasing an attack on trump. and trump's words coming back to haunt him. what he says about working women tonight. and prosecutors looking into who is to blame for the little boy getting no the gorilla pen. could the parents face charges? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm earin burnett. "outfront" tonight, unfit to be president. hillary clinton's harshest attack on brump r donald trump yet in a major foreign speech, clinton calling trump dangerous, unprepared, saying he has no
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business being anywhere near nuclear codes. clinton was laser-focused, tearing into him, making the case that voters cannot put the safety of their children into his hands. >> donald trump's ideas aren't just different. they are dangerously incoherent. they're not even really ideas. just a series of bizarre rants. personal feuds and outright lies. he is not just unprepared. he is temper mentally unfit to be part of an office with knowledge, and immense responsibility. >> trump firing back even as clinton was still delivering that speech. he did so an twitter. writing, bad performance by crooked hillary clinton. reading poorly from the teleprompter, exclamation point. she doesn't even look
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presidential. the added drama, paul ryan today coming out in the middle of the speech announcing his long-awaited endorsement of donald trump saying he's going to vote for him while hillary clinton was giving her big speech. jim acosta in san jose. trump set to speak shortly there, no doubt going to respond to this diatribe by hillary clinton. jim, what are we going to hear from trump tonight? >> reporter: erin, i think we can expect to hear some tough counter punches from donald trump at this rally here in san jose later this evening. h it does not get more personal when hillary clinton said donald trump should be let nowhere near the nuclear codes. and as you mentioned, trump was live tweeting her speech, saying at one point she didn't even look presidential, reading off the teleprompter. and at another point, tweeting that her administration would be another four years of
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incompetence following the administration of president obama. now, trump, as you mentioned, did benefit from some other counter programming, beyond his own live tweeting. and that is that endorsement, that announcement of support from house speaker, paul ryan, which conspicuously came down as hillary clinton was delivering the foreign policy speech. i'm told by a source close to ryan that there was no negotiation going on between donald trump and paul ryan for this endorsement. that basically the speaker decided he was going to throw his support behind the presumptive gop nomination and once he got comfortable in doing so, and a source close to paul ryan says the speaker actually arrived it at this decision early they are week. but erin, it does now eliminate the prospect of that both halves of last -- of last four years' gop ticket from four years ago, mitt romney and paul ryan won't be supporting donald trump. we know mitt romney is not going to support donald trump, but paul ryan removed -- or eliminated any possibility of
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that with his announcement earlier today. but yes, i would think no question about it. when you heard hillary clinton go after donald trump in the way she did earlier today, really unlike we have had during the course of this campaign, donald trump i think it's pretty safe to say, will be responding in kind later this evening. >> which obviously is going to up the anti even more. the big question, of course, with hillary clinton making this for her very significant speech today, will it have an impact? what difference will it make? jim sciutto is "outfront." >> reporter: tonight, hillary clinton highlighting her vast diplomatic experience while painting donald trump as unfit, incapable and dangerous. >> it's not hard to imagine donald trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin. >> reporter: her argument, that leadership requires consistency and prudence in contrast to donald trump's brash stance. >> we must, as a nation, be more
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unpredictable. >> reporter: today secretary clinton pointing out the stark differences between the two on virtually every facet of u.s. foreign and national security policy. >> this is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in nato, the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before they strike us at home. >> nato is obsolete. it was 67 years or over 60 years old. >> his proposal to ban 1.5 billion muslims from even coming to our country doesn't just violate the religious freedom our country was founded on. it's a huge propaganda victory for isis. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> and it's no small thing when he suggests that america should
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with draw our military support for japan. encourage them to get nuclear weapons. and he said this. >> so north korea has nukes. japan has a big problem with it. maybe they would, in fact, be better off if they defend themselves from north korea. >> with nukes. >> including with nukes. >> i wonder if he even realizes he's talking about nuclear war. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> he says he doesn't have to listen to our generals or admirals, our ambassadors and other high officials, because he has, quote, a very good brain. >> secretary clinton also touting her deep foreign policy experience. for instance, negotiating climate change agreement with china, the iranian nuclear deal arms reduction treaties with russian. of course, the danger there is
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that donald trump supporters, some critics, even her own party will see that as ammunition rather than strength for her ticket there. it's going to be a long race, particularly on this issue, erin. >> thank you very much. jim sciutto. "outfront" now, amanda carpenter. bassos michael. thanks to all. david, did hillary clinton make a convincing case today? this was a very big day for her. on that stage, with a very formal, very prepared speech that went line after line for donald trump. >> i think she made it a very convincing speech to her supporters. i think the most important thing to come out of this tonight was a lot of her supporters were getting down trodden. she fired them up with this speech today. this was a hillary clinton they have been waiting for. they haven't seen. and there are a lot of journalists out there tonight saying best speech she's ever given, one of the most effective whether it will make a difference on tuesday, i think is a big question. tuesday is the california primary. if she goes on to lose the
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california primary, a lot of this is going to be washed away. we're going to have a big story about how she has been wounded. i must tell you, i thought the speech was terrific. i did question the day -- i was surprised she wasn't out barn storming this weekend with jerry brown across california. get all the democrats out there and beat bernie sanders. >> don't count your chickens before they hatch. >> take five or six points off bernie sanders and go sailing into the convention. >> one theme she kept pushing into this, line after line, this was about donald trump and how he is unfit, unqualified, in her mind, to be president. she pushed his lack of real-world experience. and she did it again and again. here she is. >> this isn't reality television. this is actual reality. you know, there's no risk of people losing their lives if you blow up a golf course deal. but it doesn't work like that in world affairs. just like being interviewed on the same episode of "60
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minutes," as putin was. is not the same thing as actually dealing with putin. >> does she have a point? >> no. it's ironic she is talking about losing -- comparing what donald trump has done with golf courses to losing lives, when we have benghazi. and we have situations in libya. and we have situations in syria. where there's been a colossal failure every step of the way with hillary clinton as secretary of state. what donald trump -- and what hillary clinton is failing to recognize is that what donald trump is saying is what the average voter out there is feeling. when he talks about banning muslims from coming in temporarily until we as a government can figure out what's going wrong, and letting these people in, i think that's a legitimate case to be made. when the last six months, when i was out with dr. carson, every person we would say would say what is going on, why are these people allowed to come into our country. something has to be done to stop that flow. >> but here's the question. amanda, when donald trump came out and responded, it was in
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tweet form. he's going to speak later tonight. but the tweets were not about substance. they were not approximate anything she said. they were not about policy. they were about the fact that she read poorly from the teleprompter, in his view. which, by the way, he didn't read well from the teleprompter when he gave his foreign policy speech. >> the points jason brought up are more substantive response to hillary clinton than what donald trump did. i was sort of shocked, even -- watching donald trump all this time to hear him say -- or tweet, rather, she doesn't look presidential. hillary clinton gave a substantive speech, hitting donald trump on line after line, on both temperament and policy. and he says you don't look presidential? you know, i don't think he was talking about the teleprompter. i think he was talking about the way she was dressed. you know, trump comes out and he always has the suit, the red tie. she was wearing something a little different. still very professional. i think he's tweaking those buttons to try to get that going, because he wants to have the fight about the gender card.
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>> listen, going back to a point you made earlier. i know you said that donald trump is speaking to what the average american or what some americans are actually saying. and i actually really do take issue with that. in part, because i think it's appropriate for a leader, someone that wants to be president of the united states, to govern to people's aspirations, not their fears. and i think in the hillary clinton speech that you heard today, she was persuasive, she was commanding, she sounded like a commander in chief that i think a lot of folks, whether they have heard her in other instances or not, one of the best speeches i've heard her make. she sounds like a commander in chief. and i think what you're going to see from donald trump are -- it just the continued bullying he has gotten really good at. but i have to wonder if americans are not going to get tired of that very quickly. >> i would agree with you in one sense. in the sense that, you know, playing to their fears. i think there is a problem that we have with politicians and people running for office that they don't acknowledge what the average voter is thinking. and that's what donald trump is
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doing. so in a campaign like this -- >> is there a way to acknowledge without -- >> it's a process. i think it's -- look, i know what you're thinking. i know what you're feeling. and now the next step is this is how i would deal with that situation. and, you know, i think he is starting to lay out those planls and saying, he didn't have to in the primary. but he had to acknowledge that this is -- these are the problems with america right now. and this is what we need to, you know -- >> david. >> one point i think it -- might get lost. hillary clinton showed one of her advantages in the campaign today. and is that is she has a much stronger team behind her, helping her, than he does. >> well-written, nuanced speech. >> well-written, nuanced speech. jake sullivan, top foreign policy adviser, a real rising star in american policy. helped her with the speech. but, you know, he's a deal-maker and as a business person pointed out to me tonight, deal-makers don't have big staff.
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they do it themselves, they have people. but business people have to have big teams and he's not used to having big teams. and i think -- he's sort of winging it. and i think she showed today, it helps to have people behind you who can come out with -- really well-done -- well-crafted speeches like this. >> thanks to all. and next, breaking news. a new pro trump super pac formed today. how much did it raise in a few hours. all the breaking details. later on "outfront." and the ucla shooter. a woman found dead in minnesota, who was on that list. who else is on that list and how trump really feels about a woman's role. >> i don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist. but when i come home and dinner is not ready, i go through the roof.
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tonight, revealing words from donald trump on what he really thinks about women. miguel marquez is "outfront." >> i think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing. >> reporter: donald trump and his views on women in the spotlight again. >> i have days where if i come home and, you know, i don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist. but when i come home and dinner is not ready, i go through the roof, okay? >> reporter: in this 1949
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interview with -- 1994 interview, trump talks about what he likes in a woman and what broke up his first marriage. >> if you're in business for yourself, i really think it's a bad idea to put your wife working for you. i think it's a really bad idea. i think that was the single greatest cause of what happened to my marriage with evana. >> reporter: trump says he has hired women for top positions in his real estate empire. but when it comes to home life, will is this from 2005. >> it's like my mother and father, married 63 years. i've always heard you have to work at a good relationship. my father didn't work at a good relationship. he went home, had dinner, went to bed, took it easy. my mother, the same thing, she cooked him dinner and it was one of those things. >> reporter: trump's view on women, close to home. in his 1997, "the art of the comeback," he said of his relationship with ivana, when i got home at night, rather than talking about the softer subjects of life, she wanted to
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tell me how well the plaza was doing or what a great day the casino had. i really appreciated all of her efforts, but it was just too much. i will never again give a wife responsibility within my business. it's a sentiment he does not seem to share when it comes to his daughter, ivanka. >> my father is very blunt, he's very direct. he is not gender-specific in his criticism of people. i wouldn't be a high-level executive within his organization if he felt that way. so he's always supported and encouraged women. and truthfully, he's proven that. over decades through his employment practices. >> reporter: one other thing in that 1994 abc interview raising an eyebrow. what makes donald trump fall out of love. >> i create stars. i love creating stars. and to a certain extent, i've
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done that with ivana, to a certain extent, with marla. and i like that. unfortunately, after they're a star, it's over for me. it's like creating a building, it's pretty sad? mr. trump has had many women who say he was a great boss. we've also heard the reverse. now we wait for the voters to weigh in. when donald trump makes a transition from presumptive to full-on republican presidential nominee, women embrace him or say goodbye. erin? >> miguel, thank you very much. amanda back with me. also with me, donald trump supporter, kayleigh mcenany, and the executive order of cnn politics, mark preston. we need a token at the table. >> listen, i can relate to donald trump, okay? >> oh, my god! >> have dinner on the table, right, and i make stars. >> okay, hold on. let me start with you, amanda. >> sure. >> on a serious level. how damaging are these words?
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the fundamental question. how damaging is it? >> to go high level, we know that 60% of married families, both people work in the family. whether because the woman wants to, or she has to economically to provide for her family. and so when donald trump comes out and says blanket statement is bad for a woman to work, i think that's extremely unrelatable for 60% of married working families. and if donald trump can't show that he relates to their struggles, the day-to-day problems they have in providing for their children, for each other, that's a disaster for the election. >> kayely, what's interesting, there is a pugh survey from last year, the year before. 60% of americans believe that it's better to have one parent at home. is it possible that yet again, while a lot of people hear this and think, how in the world can someone like become president of the united states, there are a lot of people who say i agree with what he's saying. >> i think you're right. there's more than a majority who
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agree with that, and a lot of women who choose to be home, want to be at home with their families. and donald trump is recognizing that's a full-time job. very hard to do both. and the problem is, the feminist movement has gotten to the point where they're demonizing the fact that women stay home. i take you back to hillary's 1992 comments. when she said, i could have chosen to stay home and bake cookies and have teas, but i actually fulfilled my profession. i find that very offensive and thank you women who try to stay home with their families, not everyone has that opportunity. >> oh, my gosh. >> go ahead, sally. >> i mean, i'm sorry. but that's not what donald trump said. he didn't say, hey, it would be great if we had an economy that was strong enough that two-parent families could make a choice of whether one of the moms or the wife or the husband or whomever chooses to stay at home. and for millennials especially, growing up in this country who are going to be instrumental to his vote. if he's going to win. this rings true -- rings hollow, not only for women, but for men
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who see an equal role in our society. by the way, this is the republican line. no, we don't need pay equity laws, because women and men are already equal. now here you have someone running to be leader of our country, who says, no, not they should have the choice to not work. he says it's not good for women to work. and by the way that would apply to all of us, with the exception of mark, and incidentally, we should want have a woman president. >> this is just it's 1994. or 1894. this is absurd. >> you would choose to ignore hillary's statement that was incredible offensive to stay at home moms. >> you're really going to analogize. >> absolutely. >> okay, go ahead. finish. >> we dig into the past of donald trump. 1994. let's go back to 1992. and you choose to ignore her comment which is incredible offensive to stay at home moms. >> one moment. because you have a point, kay lee, except for what he is
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talking about, it's more substantive than that. here's what he said about dinner being ready. let me play that again in full. >> i have days where if i come home, and, you know, i don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist. but when i come home and dinner is not ready, i go through the roof. >> that's not the same as respecting people for staying home with children. >> he wants to have his dinner. hey, i think it was partly in a joke. >> really? >> if donald trump was so against him in the workplace, why would he have a daughter who works and is married? why would his wife run a jewelry line. why would he have fired the first females ever in it real estate? he empowers women and one statement in 1994 say he's against women. >> hillary clinton has supported working and not working. >> he prepped it with i don't want to sound like a chauvinist. he recognized he was walking on thin ice. he has very deliberate views of women, how they should look, today with hillary clinton. and how they should act.
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this has been a dominant theme over the years in public interviews, over the past 30 years. it is who donald trump is. and so if you buy into donald trump, you're also buying into his views about how women should look and act, and that's going to be a huge problem for him going forward. because it is who he is. >> what does this mean for the female vote? by the way, if he lags like he is now, he's not going to win the white house. he's got to turn it around. you have to assume a lot of people who hear this are not offended. >> i don't mind being the fifth wheel of this organization. it is an amazing argument. >> you were hoping i would not come back to you. >> i just wanted my dinner. that's all i'm asking for. no. here's what's confusing to me with donald trump. he makes statements like this that are outrageous. they are. it's an outrageous statement to make, okay? but at the same time, kayely's point, he empowers his daughter. it's a bit of confusion that i can't wrap my brain around. the empowerment of women within his own company but yet goes out
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and says these outrage statements. i can't reccen it. i don't understand the real donald trump. >> this is a family of extraordinary wealth and privilege. very few families in america live the lifestyle they do. so to continue to point to your family, i gave my wife a jewelry line or hotel, no one has the problems like donald trump does. >> and clearly, what's good for him is not what's good for america. so my daughter can work, but i don't necessarily think i should have policies and practices that support all women. and i have to say, i am so sick of the false equivalence between hillary clinton and donald trump on this issue, her entire career has been about helping women and men and their families. i'm sorry, it has been -- >> making women victims. >> same as drawing the equivalence between him hosting a beauty pageant in russia and her depth of foreign policy experience. whether you agree with it or not, the sort of, oh, let's bring up the one thing hillary clinton did. he has a pattern of sexist statements and you can't --
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>> hillary clinton and the radical feminist movement has a history of making women into victims. they thrive on that. the entire movement depends on that. and feminists who have made it possible for all of us to be sitting here. >> and women like yourself sitting here because we can work as women are grate. for that feminist movement. but go ahead, spit in its face. >> let's go have a drink. >> thank you very much. "outfront" next, the breaking news in this hour. a pro trump super pac that launched today, raised tens of millions. breaking details going to be out here. next, and the tangled web behind the ucla shooting. there was a kill list and victims planned. who else is on that list? we'll be right back. at red lobster's create your own seafood trios you can try something new with every bite. pick 3 of 9 all-new creations for $15.99. like baked lobster alfredo chimichurri shrimp and crab cakes bursting with crab meat. just hurry in before it ends.
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new tonight, the senate's most powerful republican sounding the alarm bell. majority leader, mcmitch come tell our jake tapper that he may alien ate key latino voters. >> going after susana martinez, the republican governor of new
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mexico, the chairman of the republican governor's association, i think was a big mistake. what he ought to be doing now is trying to unify the party. >> major statement from the senate majority leader, phil mattingly is "outfront." and you know, look, the same day you've got paul ryan, house speaker, coming out, endorsing saying he's voting for donald trump and his office saying it is the same thing as an endorsement and the majority leader saying things like that. and concerned about trump. i mean, it's just pretty difficult. >> reporter: no question about it, erin. a major statement but also a very prevalent sentiment and mitch mcconnell also looking at the future of his senate majority and paul ryan's house majority. that's his focus now and what's most interesting to watch how top republican officials, top donors and potential candidates view the trump candidacy and for some candidates, it actually had a benefit in the sense that
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donors wary of donald trump are helping them out. and erin, an interesting aspect of this, the top super pac backing senate republicans raised more than $6 million in the first quarter of this year. largely because of donald trump, the top republican house super pac has doubled what it's raised in 2016 over what they raised in 20142015, so a lot of republicans trying to figure out what this trump as presumptive nominee world means and for mitch mcconnell, focusing on down ballot, not the man at the top of the ticket. >> phil, thank you. "outfront" now, a close friend, business associate, tom barrack, the real estate bill their has known trump for more than 30 years, the man who at trump's low point after losing wisconsin, introduced him to paul manafort, the veteran operative now trump's campaign chairman. let me start, tom, with the big news today on donations. up until this point, there had been a lot of, quote, unquote, super pacs supporting donald trump. a dozen or so.
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raised $2 million. today what you're calling the real deal super pac has launched. and in just a few hours, how much money has it raised? >> about $32 million in contributions. >> so $32 million, just since filing today. who are they? are these traditional republican donors who have shunned donald trump, you know, people like paul singer or the rickets who have said over my dead body they'll donate or are these big money names we have never seen before? >> first of all, over my dead body people are not dying so quickly. they're reviving a more fruitfully than you would think. a lot of people are starting to turn the corner. what they've been waiting for is this idea of is donald going to act more presidential. is he going to pivot on the issues. and as time goes on, and they have more faith in the fact that he's making good judgments, and
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they become more furious with the establishment, which is really the key here, they become -- >> more -- what the case is, but enough to get them on board. >> absolutely. and i think, honestly, it's not -- you know, i've said before. hillary is a tremendously competent person. it would be insane to think she is not competent for the presidency. she is amazingly competent. but this is a question of establishment. and i think what we have seen is, america is infuriated with the status quo. and donald represents everything that is not status quo. >> top republican fund-raiser, fred malek. i spoke with him. his view is, you have to put in a half billion dollar check if you're donald trump, and then you're going to get the big donors to say okay, i'll get on board. this guy is going to put real skin in the game. >> he has real skin in the game. fred is a pro, enlightened.
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i would never take him on. and i think for fred's constituency, he's right. the playbook is different. that playbook doesn't exist any more. you have a gigantic segment of america who is fed up. who hasn't played in this game before. it's about changing america. and whether donald becomes president or not, this dialogue, this debate that we need to fund and fuel because it's the way our stupid system works. the way money is raised, the way it's allocated, the way the electric properly process -- when people say it's corrupt, we all know it's corrupt. but nobody knows how to change it and it's the best system we have at the time. >> hillary gave a speech today, in it slammed donald trump on these issues. here she is. >> he is temper mentally unfit to hold office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility. this is not someone who should
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ever have the nuclear codes. because it's not hard to imagine donald trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin. >> you talk about donors and how their biggest fear about him is that he isn't presidential. she is reflecting what a lot of them probably feel, as well. why is she wrong? >> well, let me give you a personal view. not a political view. and i've known donald for 40 years, and i've watched him. and every kind of business and negotiating setting that you can imagine. and in foreign policy is a gigantic word. and immigration is a gigantic word. and what you have is a man saying, look, we have complexity in the world, and none of us understand it. none of us understand what our foreign policy is. is he saying that he would truly
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ban all muslims? yes, he is saying he's going to ban all muslims. and by the way, i'm an arab-american. i happen to be christian. but i grew up with the sunnis and the shias and drus. and what he's saying is, islam is a great rj. religion. people who follow are a great people. islam, we need you to help us solve this problem, first in your own regions. you have to be the first to order of discipline. so if you have young boys strapping on tnt in your mosques, you need to take responsibility for that. so they're not traveling to tel aviv or munich or new york or los angeles. if you don't do that, we're going to have a problem. it's not necessarily just hyperbo hyperbole. and by the way, he has the constitutional ability to do that. >> so you're optimistic about what he's really saying. i was in dubai the other day,
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though. i spoke to another real estate mogul, who built the tallest building in the world. here's how the conversation went with mr. al abar. donald trump's ban on islams, in march said, i think islam hates us. there is a something there that is a tremendous hatred. we have to get to the bottom of it. there is an unbelievable hatred of us. this is the presumptive nominee for the republican nomination. >> i don't know if he is saying that for political reasons. but he's a smart man. i don't think that's true. i don't think that's going to happen, because i think this is just going to be so ridiculous. i think the world is going -- there is openness. >> calls it ridiculous. >> first of all, moment alabar is a good friend of mine. he's the oldest son of 12 kids, just to show you how life works.
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his father was a dow captain of a little boat. he went to the university of seattle. you put them in a room for 20 minutes, the crisis would be solved. mohamed is saying exactly the right thing too. he's defending his own culture and the righteousness of logic. but it's all setting up the boundaries against which a deal can be struck. >> all right, tom barrack, thank you very much. >> thank you, erin. "outfront" next, new details about the ucla shooting. police say the gunman had a kill list. two people on that list are dead tonight. who else was on it? and tonight, police wrapping up their investigation into the family of the 3-year-old who jumped into that gorilla pen, will they file charges? hands? in good man, it's like pure power at your finger tips. like the power to earn allstate reward points, every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe.
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breaking news in the deadly shooting at ucla. we are learning the gunman had a kill list. tonight two people on that list are dead. investigators now trying to figure out if there are other victims. kyung lah is "outfront." >> reporter: the murder/suicide. the chakay on the ucla campus
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appears to have been a planned hit. gunm gunm gunman mainak sarkar. a 2013 mechanical phd graduate, recently drove 2,000 miles from st. paul, minnesota, to los angeles. sarkar found 39-year-old william including klug a professor of aerospace engineering. but the second happened to be off campus yesterday. he murdered his former professor and turned the gun on himself. >> he had two semi automatic pistols, multiple magazines of ammunition and multiple loose rounds. he was prepared to engage multiple victims. >> reporter: when police moved into professor klug's office, they also found a cryptic note
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in his backpack, asking someone to check on his cat. inside sarkar's home in minnesota, police found more ammunition and his kill list. naming the two ucla professors and a third name, a woman living in nearby brooklyn park, minnesota. >> they did locate a adult female, found deceased from apparent gunshot wound. we believe at this point that she was deceased prior to the ucla shooting. >> reporter: cnn affiliate, wcco, says the woman killed was ashley hasty. she married sarkar in 2011 and she posted two photos of sarkar and under an album called last days in l.a., photos posted of ucla's engineering for the building where sarkar murdered professor klug, a husband and father of two young children. >> it's hard to even fathom it, to have your son grow up without a dad is rough. >> reporter: so what's behind
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all of this? what was the motivation? lapd says the gunman had an apparent beef, an intellectual property beef with this professor that he wrote about on a blog. but the lapd police chief was very, very quick to respond that this appears to have been all cooked up in his head that he was delusional. and erin, both of the guns found in this shooting, they were legally purchased, one belonging to the gunman. >> kyung lah thank you. "outfront" next, how did this little boy get inside the gorilla pen? toddlers go to the zoo every day. how did it happen? well, we're going to show you. [phone rings] [man] hello,totten designs. sales department? yes...i can put you right through. ♪ sales department-this is nate. human resources. technical support.
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tonight, a prosecutor deciding prosecutors deciding whether to file charges of the parents of the child that fell into gorilla exhibit. the cincinnati zoo is reopening the exhibit with taller barriers in just days. who is to blame? the boy is behind the gorilla in the video. he is with his mother, falls over a barrier, into the moat, plunges 15 feet, 15 feet into the water, which is a foot and a half deep. minutes later, the gorilla sees the boy, drags him around the moat. tom barrack foreman is outfront.
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tom barrack, the big question is what are they able to look at in this video to determine who is responsible if anyone is held responsible? >> reporter: it is not just the video they're looking at. but they will start looking at the areaspec at a time ors were. were the parents paying attention. some eyewitnesses say that's an unfair question, that it happened very quickly. nonetheless, investigators have to look at it. here's another thing. this barrier, the second area they have to investigate, zoo officials say more than three feet tall, heavy bushes separate four feet of ground before reaching that deep moat. it is inspected by outside agencies routinely, worked since 1978, yet we know somehow the boy made it past the fence through the bushes, over that
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four feet and down that 15 feet where he fell into the gorilla's hands. that's where the next part of the investigation is going to come up, i think. >> and what about it was ten minutes here, the gorilla had control of the little boy for ten minutes. a lot of people may not realize how long it happened, we don't play ten minutes of video. what about during that time? >> reporter: in that time they have to look at the physical facility and the reaction of the zoo officials to what happened. bear in mind, this is roughly what this would be like. about two and a half times my height to the top of the moat here, maybe a foot and a half of water, then on the opposite side leading to the gorilla habitat, very hiwalls. in this environment, hard to get anyone in to address the issue. even when he hauled the boy into the habitat, they were in an area that wasn't necessarily easy for anyone to approach the gorilla or the boy safely.
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still, investigators have to consider what action was taken, was it taken in a timely fashion, and when they go through all three areas, the physical plant, behavior of the parents and behavior of the zoo staff, that's when they have to say if they don't get an adequate answer to any of their questions, maybe someone might be charged with something. tom foreman, thank you very much. paul, they're trying to decide whether to bring charges. the child wandered from his mother. start with that side of it. could the parents face charges? >> yes, they could face charges but this is the kind of law that the d.a. has substantial discretion. i mean, the law says if you create a substantial risk of harm to a child by the way you take care of the child, that's child endangerment, but anybody that's got a toddler knows that they can slip out of sight for a few seconds, they can pull away from your hand easily, any
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parent has gone through this. usually we don't treat that as a crime, usually you look for people beating their children that deliberately harm them. >> people are upset that the gorilla that said it was not hostile at any time, was confused. they had no choice but shoot it. they were upset about the outcome. the zoo saying the gorilla exhibit will reopen with taller barriers. is that admission of guilt on their side, could the zoo be facing charges. the family said they won't sue, they can change their mind. >> yes, i think the zoo could have a problem. in the end a three and a half-year-old toddler was able this area where a dangerous animal was kept. seems on the face of it that's a problem for the zoo. on the other hand, of course, this gorilla was worth an enormous amount of money as an endangered species. and the negligence of the parent caused the death of the gorilla,
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so could the zoo sue the parents for the value of the gorilla. there are all kinds of possibilities here. you know, in the end i think we have to mourn the loss of the gorilla, be happy that the child was not seriously injured and move on. >> glad that the child was not injured, but it was a beautiful creature, beautiful beast. a lot of people are very sad that the gorilla was killed. thank you very much, paul. be right back. i take pictures of sunrises, but with my back pain i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. where self-proclaimed ofinancial superstars , pitch you investment opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold!
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thanks for joining us. watch outfront any time, anywhere on cnn go. ac 360 starts right now. good evening, thanks for joining us. a busy two hours ahead, including dr. drew pin ski on the reports that prince tied from opioid overdose. and the usagi shooter and the kill list he had. and the top republican lawmaker endorses donald trump. we begin with hillary clinton's point by point deconstruction of donald trump's views and positions as well as flattous denunciation of his fitness for office. you'll hear both sides. trying to drought starkest contrast between herself and donald trump. here are some of the major