we begin tonight with breaking news. you can call it donald trump punching back or not backing off, whatever buzz phrase you like, stripped of the jargon, a measure of how bad he wants to make this presidential campaign about himself and his grievances. the latest about the judge on trump university. the american born trjudge trump says is biased because he says he's mexican, we're building a wall. he did not back down over the weekend even saying when asked that a muslim judge might also be biased against him. then late today with big name republicans denouncing what he said and even his own campaign a apparently trying to move on sources tell us trump held a conference call, do not move on, do not back down, keep on going after the judge. dana bash has been hearing from her sources. we're also going to be talking momentarily to two people on the call. so, dana, what about the reporting on this conference call? what more are you learning? >> reporter: you mentioned a little bit of it, it was a call initially for supporters and

surrogates who appear on tv and elsewhere where i'm told by a source who was on the call that donald trump set out to explain the details of the actual fraud case involving trump university and why he thinks this judge is being unfair. and it was during that call that former arizona governor jan brewer mentioned that his own campaign, trump's own campaign, had sent a memo suggesting that people not talk about it at all and say, we're not talking about this anymore. it's going to be discussed and be dealt with in the court of law. and it was then that trump pushed back making clear he knew nothing about his campaign memo, and that he does want supporters to talk about it, and he had no intention of backing down at all. >> trump also reportedly said it's the people asking the questions about this that are racist. is that what you have heard? >> reporter: i have not sp specifically heard that. it is something that bloomberg has reported on. those who i've talked to did say that he made clear he does not think, though, that he is in the wrong to argue judge curiel

shouldn't preside over his case given that he wants to build a wall with mexico, and the judge is of mexican descent. it sound like he's not only not taking the advice of ardent supporters who have gone out it to say that his comments are inpolicemantory and even racist. it sounds like, you know, in the face of those public suggestions from his supporters he's doubling down and trimmipling d as we've seen him so many times before. >> is it your understanding that there actually was a memo sent from the campaign yesterday instructing surrogates they were not authorized to talk about or respond to the trump university lawsuit? >> reporter: yes, that is my understanding this memo did go out. and, to me, just given kind of -- that is one of the more interesting aspects of this part of the story because, you know, in a typical campaign, which we know the trump campaign is anything but it typical, you do have communications staffers who

kind of are in charge of communicating with surrogates. they do have a directive to give to them, or at least a strong suggestion. the fact that donald trump himself, first of all, had this conference call himself and not a communications staffer or anybody from his campaign, rather that he decided to be the chief communicator, is very, very unusual. and then on top of that, the fact that he very vocally apparently dismissed the memo that came from his campaign and contradicted it is, again, just kind of very, i guess, classic trump and very telling, i think, about how that campaign is going in the inner workings of it right now. >> dana bash, thanks. more on what led up to this and why republicans who do want to move on are experiencing a big-time case of political heartburn. sarah murray has that. >> reporter: gop leaders are rushing to distance themselves from donald trump.

>> i couldn't disagree with more with what he had to say. >> i disagree with the thinking behind that. >> it's very disturbing. >> this after his ongoing attacks against a judge of mexican heritage. >> to have a judge who is a hater of donald trump -- a hater. he's a hater. his name is gonzalo curiel. >> reporter: as usual trump isn't backing down telling jake tapper, u.s. district judge gonzalo curiel should be recused from a lawsuit involving the now defunct trump university saying curiel is biased based on his heritage. >> this is a case that should have ended. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. now i say why. i'm building a wall, okay? and it's a wall between mexico -- not another country. >> he's not from mexico. he's from indiana. >> his mexican heritage, and he's very proud of it. >> reporter: trump tell cnn a muslim judge might also be biased against him because of his proposal to ban muslims from

the u.s. >> if it were a muslim judge would you feel they wouldn't be able to treat you fairly because of that policy? >> that would be possible, absolutely. >> reporter: even house speaker newt gingrich, who some view as a potential vp pick, says trump went too far. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. >> reporter: trump says he's been taken aback by the party's response. >> as far as newt is concerned, i saw newt. i was surprised at newt. i thought it was inapropropriat what he said. >> reporter: still, some in the gop are holding out hope trump will tone it down as the primary season officially winds down this week. >> he's talking with people all around the country that are experts in this regard and i think they know that they're in a place where this campaign has to evolve. >> cera murray joins us. as we heard figures came out against donald trump. i understand more are coming out today. >> reporter: that's right.

it's been a tidal wave, saying a judge with the definition of criticism. donald trump should apologize to this judge. even marco rubio, who was running against donald trump in the primaries, saying he warned when he was running for president that this kind of thing would happen. but perhaps the most interesting criticism has been what's coming from newt gingrich. you could see there that stuck to donald trump. he made it clear publicly. that's the kind of thing that could complicate the waters for newt who has been rumored to be one of these vp picks because one of the things we do know about donald trump, he prizes loyalty above all else when it comes to the folks working alongside him. that could be a difficult pill to swallow as he makes his short list of potential vp picks. >> sara, thank you very much. not sitting well with former opponent ben carson, writing every human being is an individual first rather than a group. the moment we forget that is the moment we enter into a phase of moral descent.

reporter alex burns, hillary clinton biographer, karl bernstein, john j.lavalle, who was on that conference call, margaret hoover, republican strategist susan delpersio and jeffrey lord who also was on the conference call. jeff, first of all, your perceptions of that conference call. can you just -- i mean, some of the major reporting that's been on it, do you agree with the general framework of the reporting that's been about the nature of the call? >> anderson, i believe i have this very bizarre belief in confidentiality, so whether i'm talking to donald trump or my next door neighbor if somebody says keep this in confidence and actually that wasn't said but still and all i feel they deserve this. let me, if i can get right to the quick here on this, i've been writing for years about the racialization of the bench. i wrote a column in september f of -- or back in 2007 or 2009,

rather, about then supreme court nominees judge sotomayor's business and the discovery how important her race was to her decision making as a judge and of course we don't want to forget in 2001 when miguel estrada was nominated by president bush and there was a memo from senate democrats. >> what is the point? >> saying he was especially dangerous. he was especially dangerous because he's latino. my point here, anderson, is this has been going on, encouraging judges to make decisions because of their race has been going on for decades from the other side, and the judge in this case belongs to the san diego loraza lawyers association. i've been through their website. it's all about discrimination against -- i mean, it's not about other lawyers. it's not about san diego lawyers writ large. >> so, jeffrey, you agree with donald trump this judge cannot

rule fairly based on the fact he's a mexican heritage? >> absolutely. not only do i agree with that based on -- >> can clarence thomas -- can clarence thomas rule fairly on issues about african-americans? >> clarence thomas -- clarence thomas has gone out of his way to say that his race is not important to his judging, and that, i might add, anderson, is why they attack him from the left and say he's an uncle tom because he wants to adhere to the constitution. and they say he's a traitor to his race. that is exactly the point. >> only judges who are members of minority groups who say it doesn't impact them, then they get a pass -- >> it shouldn't impact no matter -- no matter your race, no matter your ethnicity, this is about being loyal to the constitution. >> have you heard judge curiel -- has judge curiel written anything about how his mexican heritage impacts his rulings? >> he gave a scholarship to this group of undocumented

immigrants. >> you went back and you looked at other judges' writings. i'm wondering, have you gone back and looked at any of judge curiel's writings? i don't see anything in record where he says how this impacts his rulings. >> anderson, he belongs to a group that discriminates. and let me just say to emphasize -- >> again, so for the record -- just for the record. you brought up sotomayor, he hasn't said his mexican heritage is a determining factor or a factor -- >> his membership in a latinos only organization is discriminatory. >> okay. so -- but there's nothing in his writings that actually say that, because you're comparing to other judges. >> before he gets there, he should have resigned from this group. anderson, let me -- the supreme court of california -- wait, let me finish this point, please. the supreme court of california ruled last year that judges in california could not belong to the boy scouts of america because they discriminated

against gays. and now we're saying that judges in california can belong to a group that discriminates against people who are not lawyers, who are not latinos, and there's no problem. of course there's a problem. that's a double standard. >> they would take issue they're all about discrimination. i think that's not really what they say that they are about, and i talked to a member of the group, and also donald trump -- it was interesting, though, john, donald trump seemed to conflate this lawyers organization with a loraza activist group. you acknowledge they are two different things? >> so i understand. >> on the call was it your understanding donald trump basically said i didn't know anything about this memo sen out by my campaign but ignore that? >> the whole thing is mischaracterized. on saturday the surrogates received a memo stating there would be a conference call 10:00 a.m. on monday. on sunday -- >> did that memo say don't be talking about -- >> no.

sunday, it said do not the discuss this matter further. today donald trump briefed all the surrogates about his position on this issue. it does not pay to have surrogates representing donald trump that don't understand the i theish you and do not know the facts. so mr. trump wanted the opportunity to brief the surrogates so they could speak intelligently and accurately on the issue. and the issue with the member owe, after he briefed the surrogates, someone asked a question, well, we did get the memo directly. he said throw it in the garbage, it's gone. it's over. we're talking about the issue. we're dealing with the issue. he didn't say to attack the judge. he didn't say, you know, to attack anything. he said deal with the issue. dive into the issue. these are the facts. >> as far as you're concerned as a trump supporter also and a trump delegate, is the mexican heritage of the judge an issue? >> well, here's -- potentially it could be. what is wrong with someone raising the potential of bias?

potential bias. what we have to understand here this is a class-action lawsuit. there was a law firm designated. that law firm has given hillary clinton somewhere between $675,000 and $900,00 in speaking fees. i don't know what she is saying. >> donald trump has also given money to hillary clinton. >> we're not talking $900,000 in speaking fees. then two of the partners went to jail for rigging these class-action lawsuits, these types of cases. and the judge then, you do have the loraza issue which is skeptical. but then you work towards as the case goes on he releases documents and the same day unreleases the documents. you can't unrelease documents. >> okay, go ahead. >> all of these things are such egregious violations of judges and such a clear conflict of interest, why hasn't donald trump asked his lawyers to raise a real complaint in the case to ask the judge to step down? there's a very normal process. >> that's attorney/client privilege. >> he has not -- >> recuse himself.

>> nothing has been filed? >> it's in a court of law. it will be tried, the case will be tried. >> i guess what i don't understand is a guy who is running for president, and i would think that's probably the most important thing going on in his life at this time and probably should be more important to him than his business career or some lawsuits, you would think a guy running for president would say, this is going to be adjudicated in the court of law. i'm not talking about this. we have a country's business to talk about. but donald trump isn't doing that. he repeatedly brings up the guy's mexican heritage and now has brought up muslim heritage. >> the way he's been treated in this case. i think it's fair to do so. >> he did this at a rally. he wasn't doing it for party unity. he wasn't doing it to make america great. he had a civil case, and he didn't like the direction it was going. he's trying to get this judge to recuse himself by public pressure. what's amazing is that all this time talking about the surrogates, there were no surrogates to talk about hillary clinton's speech when she gave her foreign policy speech. no one was there. but the amount of time he has

spent getting delegates to take care of his private business instead of the issues of how the country should work is staggering. >> alex, what does this say about the trump campaign that he was the one on this call? there have been a bunch of articles lately saying there isn't much of a campaign there in terms of traditional campaign structure. >> well, i think those articles including in "the times" and reporting by cnn are clearly accurate, there isn't much of a filter between this it guy and the larger political land sksca and that has worked to his benefit. now you're seeing the limitations of that. typically when a candidate is under attack they want to have people lined up wall to wall from across their party, leaders in the states and washington out there defending him. you have had a remarkable silence from republican leaders when it comes to the trump university case in general and to the issues that trump is raising about the judge in particular. i think jeff is giving a pretty good illustration why republicans don't want to go there because members of

congress, governors, senators, they don't want to be in the position of raising these really sort of circumstantial and personal attacks about a federal judge that they don't know anything about. >> this is a lens into the ugliness -- >> anderson -- >> let carl talk. >> let's forget about the subterfuge we've heard here in the last few minutes. this is a lens into the ugliness of donald trump's mind, the racism of it. he is a total -- and this is the real issue in this election. he is a total break with american history and with american democracy. he does not believe in the institutions of american democracy. he is a strong man. he thinks this kind of posturing can get the desired results. we have a history of separation of powers in this country. we have a history of independent judiciary. look at this judge, for instance, who has taken on the mexican cartels and was in hiding for a while because he had been named with a price on his head by the mexican cartels. what we're looking at and

hearing and i've talked to a lot of republicans the last few days who are using the word about unhinged with donald trump is doing. and i think if you ask dana bash, see what she says about what she's hearing from republicans because they're horrified. this is not the republican party of reagan, lincoln, ike, or anybody else. >> we have to take a quick break. jeffrey, we'll come to you right after the break. we'll continue the discussion. later donald trump's insistence in his words the hispanics love me. we'll put it to the factual and electoral test. plus on the eve of the last super tuesday, a big day, president obama talking to senator sanders, reports he'll endorse hillary clinton this week. questions how long her challenger plans to go on. men. 80% try to eat healthy, yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's gummies. complete with key nutrients

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donald trump, sources say, telling is yosurrogates to keep attacking the judge he calls biased though it's giving republicans a case of political palpitations. jeffrey, back to you, first of all. what do you think newt gingrich, dr. ben carson and other republicans, paul ryan, who have come out against these comments, what do they not get? >> well, let me say, first of all, i love vice president gingrich and i refer to him deliberately in that fashion. i believe he made a mistake here. as to ben carson -- >> made a mistake because he publicly spoke against donald

trump or made a mistake of just his opinion? >> i didn't read it about -- what he's saying is in essence what i'm saying, the judge should be about the constitution and we should be about individuals in this country not about racial identity which leads me to all of these other republicans. and they are latching on to identity politics which is the grandchild of slavery and the son of segregation or the child of segregation. and respectfully to my friend carl who worked for ronald reagan and jack kemp, this is -- this is a total alliance, a total sellout to the racial politics of the democratic party and the american electorate going on since slavery. >> wait a minute. are you talking about what donald trump -- what's interesting about what you're saying, you're not talking about what donald trump said, identifying this it guy as mexican when, in fact, he's not mexican. he's american-born in indiana. and donald trump is talking about his mexican heritage impacting and determining how he can rule. isn't that identity politics? >> correct. >> okay. >> correct, anderson. i'm talking about it because this is the issue.

this goes far beyond trump university. this goes to appointing people to the bench and having a legal system where everybody is suppose d to be judged by their skin color or ethnic heritage. donald trump is picking this up and saying, okay, if that's the way you're going, this guy should be off the bench because admittedly -- >> that is the most -- >> and the muslim comment that he made -- >> that is the most -- i mean, you're doing back flips here to interpret something donald trump said. >> no. anderson -- >> you're saying by talking about -- no, by identifying him as mexican and not even of mexican herheritage -- you're saying he's commenting on identity politics of others. >> anderson, anderson, the judge goes out of his way to identify himself as latino. the judge does it. >> that's like saying a judge who is part of a catholic organization or a jewish organization -- should jewish judges not be allowed on the bench? muslim judges? apparently they can't. >> i am saying if they are

belong iing to organizations th are explicitly about race and bringing race into the judicial system instead of the constitution, that's the problem. and that has been going on for a long time. justice sotomayor and her wise latina remarks -- >> you have no comments this judge has actually made, youe just linking him to a latina judge because, what, they all think alike? i don't understand. >> it's the same philosophy. this is the liberal philosophy at large for judges period. this is what they want. they want everybody to judge by their personal experience. >> -- liberal? >> i've read the website here of the san diego group. >> we're in deep mccarthy land here. >> okay, john. >> i'm going to say this -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. you're defending the segregationists, i'm defending lincoln. >> he's not a racist. it is not unreasonable -- >> do you think the comment --

>> to consider the potential of bias based on donald trump's positions and, by the way, the majority of americans -- >> we're not arguing -- >> we have issues with mexico, whether it's drugs up and down the border, whether it's illegal immigration, people being here. it is the question. there's nothing wrong with raising the issue as to whether or not this judge may be biased. donald trump is not a racist. when no one was looking, donald trump was running his company, he was hiring african-americans, hispanic-americans, women, at the highest places in his company. when no one was looking, donald trump was never a racist. >> that's smoke and mirrors from the real issue. >> yes, it is. >> that's how he feeds his family. >> when no one was looking he was hiring polish workers as illegal immigrants to, you know -- >> so you're agreeing that he's not a racist? >> we're back to the ole days of

some of my best friends -- >> put his money where his mouth is. >> the question is were the remarks racist remarks. did he make racist remarks? >> no. there was not racism in his heart when he said it. he's questioning -- >> absolutely racist. >> there's bias in a legal matter where there's all kinds of crazy stuff. the plaintiffs in the matter -- >> let's just settle down. let's calm down. my question is, you raised valid legal points about this, and that's some of the stuff donald trump talked about, no doubt, on this call, and donald trump has valid, you know, concerns about how the case is being adjudicated. what i don't understand and what i think has surprised all these other republicans is him continuing to link this to this guy being mexican, which he's not, of mexican heritage, and saying maybe a muslim judge would not be able to do that either. so that doesn't raise any

concerns? >> i have a great idea. how about let's get back to the failing economy. let's get back with the failed international policy. >> but that apparently -- but that apparently -- >> he's not a racist. >> the issue is donald trump. donald trump is the issue. >> susan, go ahead. go ahead, susan. >> if you end up in court and you have to see a judge, john, because you're known as a delegate, is that judge of mexican descent or muslim, is he invalidated to rule on your case of speeding? >> i didn't necessarily say that but i am an attorney. if i am before a democratic judge -- >> i didn't say democrat. >> that happens. >> one at a time. >> ronald reagan when he was assassinated, he was in the office and he looked up and said a prayer and said i sure hope the doctor is not a democrat -- the doctor isn't a republican. it's a joke. in a court of law if the you believe in the separation of powers and if you have faith in

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we've been talking about sources saying in a phone call donald trump told the surrogates defend his widely criticized remarks about a federal judge overseeing lawsuits against trump university. last week he told jake tapper u.s. district judge gonzalo curiel is biased because of his mexican heritage. he's mexican, i'm building a wall, is how trump put it. he said latinos and hispanics will support him in november. >> i think i'm going to do very well with latinos or hispanics.

i employ thousands of latinos. i've employed over the years thousands of mexicans. they're great. they're great. i deal with them. i sell apartments. i deal with them. >> so, to recap, trump says having mexican heritage makes judge curiel biased against him. at the same time he expects to do well among hispanic and latino voters. how many does trump actually need to win? john king is here to break it down by the numbers. how risky are these comments about trump for him? >> reporter: in a word, anderson, very. very risky. here is the map from the 2012 campaign. president obama wins only 51% to 47% in part because of huge support among latinos. the fastest growing constituency in american politics but even bigger in 2016. 27 million latinos or hispanics eligible to vote in the 2016 election and will represent 12% of the national electorate five months from now.

that was 10% four years ago. this is a very growing and a very potent population. does it matter? you bet it does. twourp the last time the republicans won the white house. george w. bush received 44% of the latino vote in national exit polls. nine points behind john kerry, but above 40%. that's what most republicans think you need to win. look at john mccain, down to 31%. mitt romney four years ago down to a shocking 27%. remember a campaign about self-deport and things like that. where is donald trump at the moment? this is from the nbc/"wall street journal" poll. these are exit polls, votes that happened. this is the most recent poll that has donald trump getting just 20% of the latino vote nationally. look at that. 444%, 31%, 27%, 20%. room to change. 20% of the latino vote, can donald trump win an election with that? no. >> those are national numbers. when you look state by state, a path to 270, does it look better

for trump? >> if you look at where he is now and where it happened in 2012 and 2008, the picture gets bleaker because we do elect presidents state by state. these are the 2012 numbers, president obama in the state of california 75% to 23%. a 52% gap over mitt romney. in new mexico a 36-point gap. in nevada a 47-point gap. in florida a 21% gap. why are these important? let me shrink this down a little bit and put it over here and cover it up. let's go through the states i mentioned. kcolorado, that's right here. new mexico, that's right here. here's nevada. here's virginia. here's florida. now there are other states where latinos are key swing electorates, too, but these are important. let's just go back through time here. this is 2012. right? all those states, right, they're all blue. this is 2008. they're all blue. the last time the republicans won the white house, 2004, george w. bush is getting 44% of the latino vote nationally, red, red, red, red, red. can't win the white house

without these states. can donald trump win without them? yes. is it likely? no. >> what about the argument trump can still win by maximizing his support among white voters, especially white men who tend to have big doubts about hillary clinton? >> it's possible and so i would say is winning the powerball. you bring it up here, look at this. this is the white vote in national elections. george w. bush gets 58%. republicans win the white vote. john mccain plus 12. 59%, mitt romney knew this problem. he knew republicans had a latino problem. they maximized white turnout. he won the white vote by 20 points. he lost the white house in an electoral college landslide. look at where donald trump is now. these are exit polls. this is the nbc/"wall street journal" poll. already some undecided voters here. at the moment donald trump is under performing, the three republicans that ran before him. that's not a recipe to win. >> a lot to talk about. jeffrey lord is back and joining the conversation republican

strategist anna navarro. just talk about the numbers. trump can say he's doing well with latinos. at this point the numbers don't necessarily show that. are you concerned? >> the trick here -- the trick -- what he has to do and what i believe in passionately is change it from race to jobs. we have a situation in this country where we have, what, according to the department of labor, 94.some odd million people. i don't know the number for latinos who are in that group but the point is latinos are just like every other american. they need a job. they need work. they've got to earn money. they have families. they have kids. that's the issue and that's what donald trump is very good about. we have to steer this conversation, stop doing the race business and get back to jobs and economics. when he does that, i am certain that's going to help him a lot of. >> anna, is he able to do that?

he brings up the lawsuit in speeches and he's the one bringing up the judge in the speeches and in interviews brings up mexican heritage. >> i think he's not. i wish he was talking about jobs, too, but he's not. he has chosen to inject race into this. when you listen to the interview with jake tapper, he talks about that judge being a mexican in such a racist manner. latinos can hear that. yes, latinos need jobs. they need national security. they need health care. but we also need respect. first and foremost every american in this country needs respect. and if he's not showing it, what he's showing is discrimination. come november we will remember. let me just tell you this story, anderson. i have a friend, a woman who makes six figures. her 8-year-old daughter in miami, a citizen, born in the united states, is asking my friend with fear if they're

going to have to leave the country it if donald trump wins. this is happening all over america. there is a reason why the first elected hispanic woman in congress has publicly said that's not endorsing him. in miami, he's not supporting him or voting for him. why the mayor of miami, all republicans, have said they will not vote for trump because they will not be held responsible for the venom he spews. he doesn't want to make america great again. he wants to make america hate again. >> on that call today that you were on, i don't know if you or others, did anyone have an opportunity to say to him what you just said on the air which is you need to be talking about jobs not this lawsuit, not this judge? >> well, i will say this. he talked about jobs. he brought it up. he believes very strongly that this is one of the major problems we have in this

country. he's talked about this endlessly. he did talk about it today. no one needed to bring it up. >> do you think he gets it? >> of course he gets it. >> i'm surprised that he continues to not at all back track on his comments about the judge's heritage. >> anderson, i hope he doesn't back track. we have been dragged so far off base here by dividing by race what the american left has been doing since days of slavery. hillary clinton says she intends to target black and brown voters, quote/unquote. how about targeting americans? how about talking about jobs? how about treating everybody the same? >> jeffrey, it's your candidate who is identifying this judge not as an american but as a mexican. >> because the judge himself has made a big deal about his own ethnicity. that's the point. >> let me tell you something, jeff -- >> ana -- >> let me just --

>> jeffrey, is it inappropriate then for judges to belong to a jewish group, a catholic group, to belong to a scandinavian heritage group? >> it's inappropriate -- i would suggest if it's inappropriate to belong to the boy scouts because they, quote/unquote, discriminate against gays, lawyers shouldn't bannd togethe based on their ethnicity. this is in every social segment of the country where everyone wants to divide up by race and i'm suggesting as president kennedy said there's no place for race in law. >> ana? >> let me say there is a place for heritage in america. we are a melting pot and unless you tell me donald trump is a direct descendent of pocahontas, he, too, came from descendents. antonin scalia, we all respected, i was there in washington, d.c., one day when

he received an award from an italian-american organization. you know why a lot of people band together in groups that are the black bar association or the women's bar association, a lot has to do with mentoring, with networking. a lot of it has to do with making sure there is representative hires in law firms and at government levels. there are legitimate reasons. that you belong to a club does not mean a racist. let me tell you something else, this guy, this judge he's calling a mexican was a u.s., was an assistant u.s. attorney under president bush, was appointed to the bench by governor schwarzenegger, a republican of california. lived almost a year under protective custody because he was prosecuting a mexican cartel. this man has stood against crime in mexico and donald trump is nobody to call into question his

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crunch time for the democrats, hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaigning in california tonight as clinton teeters, coming down to the wire, tomorrow the final super tuesday of the season. less than 30 delegates away from the magic number that will make her the presumptive nominee. bernie sanders' supporters saying not to count them out just yet. we have worked hard up and down this great, great state. and i need your help tomorrow. >> reporter: one final day of campaigning in the long democratic primary. >> everybody out to vote tomorrow! >> reporter: hillary clinton is on the cusp of becoming the party's presumptive nominee. tonight she is still fighting hard for california not only to finish strong but hoping to vanquish bernie sanders once and for all. >> i will do everything i can to unify the democratic party.

i certainly am going to be reaching out to senator sanders and hope he will join me in that. we have ton unified going into the convention and coming out of the convention, to take on donald trump. >> reporter: but sanders is still vowing to take his fight to the democratic convention, an improbable quest made nearly impossible if clinton wins california. he says he's the strongest candidate to take on donald trump. >> at what point do you become a spoiler, though, senator? >> if i win tomorrow in california, if we do very well, and i don't know that we will. we may. if we do well in other states, if there are super delegates out there who say, you know what, looking at the objective evidence of polling, looking at the objective evidence of who has the strongest grass-roots campaign and can bring out the larger voter turnout, which i think is crucial for november, if some of those super delegates begin to think it is bernie sanders, i think that is not an insignificant thing. >> make sure everyone votes. >> thank you. >> reporter: still, sanders would need to flip nearly

three-quarters of clinton's super delegates which seems unlikely since he has yet to sway a single one. rivals have battled it out in all corners of the country, sanders winning 20 states and clinton 24. with the final six states weighing in tuesday, lyclinton s 3 million more votes than sanders, and she holds a comfortable lead in delegates. only 26 away from the 2,383 pledged and super delegates to win the nomination. the democratic party is slowly coming together, and clinton is embringsing the history making moment of becoming the first woman to be a party's presumptive nominee. >> it's really emotional. it will make a very big difference for a father or a mother to be able to look at their daughter just like they can look at their son and say you can be anything you want to be in this country. >> reporter: her supporters worry sanders could stay in the ways of this history. a point he angrily refuted today. >> to say that it is sexist --

>> reporter: they insist they're settling in for a fight and hope a california victory will force the democratic party to take a second look. >> how are you? >> reporter: yet today sanders' tone seems softer, barely mentioning clinton's name at a san francisco press conference. >> let's assess where we are after tomorrow before we make statements based on speculation. >> and joining me now from san francisco, what can you tell me about the phone call between senator sanders and president obama? >> reporter: anderson, the phone call happened yesterday. it was a private phone call just between these two men. they've had a few before over this long democratic primary. i am told that the president praised senator sanders for the type of campaign he's run and advise d him that he would inded be endorsing formally hillary clinton as early as this week. we don't know exactly when but possibly on wednesday, the morning after the last six primaries. but, anderson, you can see the crowd behind me here in san francisco. thousands of supporters of senator sanders.

so that is what is weighing on senator sanders here, his goal, as he says, to keep donald trump from the white house. also his goal to not disappoint these supporters here. that's the decision he's facing. but i can tell it you, anderson, we talked to him earlier today. he had a different tone in his answers as he addressed things. so he says that he'll re-assess things after tomorrow, and he should be given the space to do that here. he's won 20 states, of course, here and dropping out is always a process if he decides to do that. anderson? >> jeff zeleny. bernie sanders surrogate, executive director who supports hillary clinton and back with us journalist and author carl bernstein. if president obama does endorse hillary clinton as early as wednesday, what impact do you think that has on sanders? >> i think if sanders loses california, he has very little room to maneuver. there's only one question left, and that is about the server. we keep seeing time bombs with the server.

the only way sanders can be the nominee is if super delegates move towards him because there is such fallout over further bad information about the server that they might be tempted. the thing about the server is that her conduct is indefensible and she hasn't been truthful. and her people -- people who favor her -- know this. they worry what she has done here is give donald trump a possibility of becoming president by her conduct with the server, and that's the worries. >> you're a sanders supporter. how worried are you of obama coming out, the president coming out and endorsing hillary clinton? >> let me say one thing because there have been some things that have been conflated here. there will be no clinching tomorrow. nobody clinches the nomination. we will not know who the nominee is until the super delegates and delegates vote on the convention floor in july. as carl points out, there are 50 days roughly between tomorrow and the convention and a lot of things happen. that's five lifetimes, political lifetimes. >> the server thing the biggest

thing that could happen? >> who knows? yes, that's a big deal because i think carl is right, and we've had this debate before. hillary clinton has not been forthcoming. we never learn this in politics. it goes back to your day. it's not so much what you do, it's the cover-up that hurts politicians more. hillary clinton up front said, boy, i messed up, it would have been a one-day story. >> before you respond, we have to get a quick break in. you'll be the first to respond as a clinton supporter after the break. on honors members save up to 25% on brands like hampton, doubletree, hilton garden inn, and waldorf astoria so stop clicking around. book direct at hilton.com now that's satisfaction. [so i use quickbooks and run mye entire business from the cloud. i keep an eye on sales and expenses from anywhere. even down here in the dark i can still see we're having a great month. and celebrate accordingly. i run on quickbooks.that's how i own it. only one network gives you more than just great coverage. it's t-mobile!

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we have never said in the last few weeks, bernie or anyone else, anything but that it's a huge hill to climb. it's a very steep hill. part of the establishment we've been criticizing for a whole year, but i think the prospect of potentially losing the white house and letting donald trump be president is something the super delegates should consider. >> as much as you've been talking about the super delegates, you're going to need to call them. >> i agree with you. >> what's in it for sanders to stay in, affecting the platform, getting as much impact as possible. >> i think reality that something could happen and he's in a stronger position if something happens and there is this very unusual situation with the server and an fbi investigation that something could happen. is it likely?

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