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good evening. welcome to a day that began with donald trump under fire from republicans over his ethnically based attacks on a federal judge ended with word of a conference call, and according to sources, trump telling surrogates not to back down. telling them instead to keep it up, to keep going after the judge. that's the breaking news. it's our lead this hour. when asked about the controversy by fox news's bill o'reilly tonight, trump instead suggested he was through talking about the case. >> at least by talking about it people understand it's a civil lawsuit that should have been dismissed a long time ago. the judge is treating me unfairly.

the questions were asked and, frankly, i don't like wasting my time talking about this lawsuit. i'm going to win this lawsuit. >> donald trump tonight after quite a day. more from sara murray who joins us with the latest. this conference call, explain what we know about it. >> reporter: anderson, we know this was a conference call with supporters, is yosurrogates for donald trump. it sounds like it began as a way for trump to explain what was going on with the court case, explain why he has been picking this fight with the judge so that his supporters could better understand it, of course, in the face of all of this backlash he's been receiving. but it seemed to, according to sources on the call, morph into trump trying to get them to create this he can owe chamber, to continue criticizing this judge, to continue taking on members of the media who are also being critical of this judge and sort of stand by donald trump at a time when many republicans are trying to distance themselves from him. >> just to be clear there was a memo sent out from the campaign instructing is yosurrogates not talk about or respond to questions about the trump university lawsuit, is that correct? >> reporter: that's right. what sparked sort of the

confusion and firestorm over the call, surrogates received a memo the night before essentially saying this was a legal matter, leave it alone. don't deal with trump university and the judge. and that was -- it was former arizona governor jan brewer who brought up on the call, look, we have a memo yesterday that said the opposite and trump was dismissive of the memo, very dismissive of the chatter that people should stop taunging abo talking about the law sued and he encouraged people to back him up, to hammer the judge, hammer the case home. the spokeswoman says it was a positive call, a way to thank supporters. obviously we're getting a lot of different storylines coming out of this today, anderson. >> we've heard from two people on the call in the last hour. we will again this hour. thank you very much. in addition to citing judge curiel's ethnicity, another source of bias ties the judge to bill and hillary clinton. tonight, though, whenever something like this comes up we're going to try to get beyond the rhetoric and search as best

we can for the facts. more on that angle. >> reporter: the law firm in this san diego office building being pulled into a political firestorm. at issue, the trump campaign is claiming that the law firm appointed by judge curiel had paid big money to hillary and bill clinton for speeches, contributing to the campaign's opinion that trump cannot be given a fair trial. the clintons did receive payment from the law firm, according to the lyclintons' financial disclosure forms, $675,000 over a five-year period. former president bill clinton giving two speeches september 2009 and september of 2013 and hillary clinton spoke in september of 2014 before she was a presidential candidate. each of the three speeches amounting to $225,000 a pop. but the law firm was not hand-picked by the judge, according to court documents way back in september of 2012.

it was the first plaintiff who filed a motion to have the law firm considered as counsel, and that was before a different judge not judge curiel. it wasn't until february of 2014 when judge curiel approved the motion and signed this order formally appointing the law firm. judge curiel said then that the court is satisfied the plaintiff's counsel met the criteria. that approval made more than a year before donald trump even declared his candidacy for president and not without merit. legal expert says that it is not unusual for big law firms to fork over sizable sums. >> that includes hiring speakers. so it's not outside the realm of possibility they would hire politicians and other notable figures to come speak to them and pay exorbitant fees. >> reporter: the trump campaign

and its surrogates continue to hold this up as another layer in their argument that the judge is biased against trump. >> this judge came in and appointed two law firms, two high-profile law firms, one a hillary clinton supporter had given hundreds of thousands of dollars to clinton and her husband. >> reporter: former attorney general today saying there are legitimate questions raised by the judge's selection of the firm. >> these are the kinds of questions that should be asked in connection with any case. that is whether or not does the judge have the kind of relationships or are there circumstances that exist that would call in to question the impartiality of the judge. >> the law firm robbins, geller, rudman and dowd did not respond to cnn for comment on the story nor would they provide an accounting of speeches in the past. that's one of the things we'd like to know. back to the panel. senior legal analyst jeffrey

toobin. the thing trump has been kind of thrown out there about this case, does it make sense to you? >> i think it's important to separate two things. one is these alleged conflicts of interest that the judge has, which as far as i can tell are completely nonexistent. the important point about those is trump himself has never remarked about them. all he has talked about is the fact that the judge is mexican. once he was correct about that, the judge is of mexican ancestry. that's the only reason he said the judge was biased. so the fact these other issues have been brought up after the fact to try to, you know, offer some support is just ridiculous because donald trump is the one running for president and the only issue he's raised is the judge is mexican. >> what about the eidea of -- some people will hear, why is this big law firm paying the clintons all this money? is that standard? >> it is fairly unusual to have a law firm pay that much money to any sort of public figure.

the firm is known as one that has been sympathetic to democratic politicians in the past as have most plaintiff side lawyers. remember, the judge was appointing a plaintiff's side lawyer. it's mostly democrats. it's a very experienced firm. it was a very common thing for this judge -- for this law firm to be appointed. and the most important thing is that both judge curiel and the other judge were making this selection before donald trump was even a presidential candidate. how could this be an example of bias against him? >> so jeff lord joining us as well, trump supporter. the fact that the plaintiff was the one or one of the first plaintiffs was the one to first file a motion to consider this law firm for counsel, not judge curiel. in fact, it was a motion done in front of a different judge completely, does that change the whole argument this judge was politically motivated? >> the judge -- judge curiel signed off on this. is that not what you were

saying? >> he did sign off on it after the other judge ruled on it as well. >> well, right, exactly. to the point, and i might add the head of the law firm gave something like $2,700, according to f tc reports, to hillary clinton before donald trump announced his candidacy when the whole world knew he was about to run for president. >> donald trump has given to hillary clinton, though. >> did trump's lawyers oppose the appointment? >> can i make one point about this? if this judge is as bad as donald trump has said -- he said he's a hater. he says he's biased. why haven't his lawyers made a simple motion to recuse him? lawyers do that all the time. if i may offer a hypothesis the lawyers, like most lawyers, have to follow the law. and there is no law that suggests this guy, this judge, is biased in any way. i think it's worth point iing o

they have not moved -- >> john, does that concern you? >> $675,000, yeah, that concerns me. that absolutely concerns me. and it's true, yes, it is unusual those fees are paid to politicians by law firms. the selection is concerning without question. there's a lot -- >> even though it was the plaintiff who asked for the law firm -- you don't buy the idea it's a limited pool of law if firms? >> there's no limited pool. you come to new york city, let's walk down the street. there's hundreds if not thousands -- >> california. >> it's california, no matter what city, this is a class-action lawsuit about trump university. there's thousands of law firms that handle these. it's not a limited pool. this is a very political law firm. there's a lot of suspect issues surrounding the selection. >> this all occurred before donald trump was running for president. >> during the course of this case, we saw a remarkable blunder this week that got very little play, the judge releases confidential information and

then unreleases -- >> we talked about that. >> it all counts. >> margaret? >> all of this is distracting from the actual question here which is can somebody of a certain ethnicity rule impartially in a case that deals also with plaintiffs of their ethnicity? is that possible? and does donald trump believe that's possible? and that is a fundamental question we should know about any president. we know what he thinks. many of us think that is a racist. this is not what the nominee of the republican party should be. all of us -- and we'll see just how many those are, jeffrey lord. >> the possibility of a potential bias. there's nothing wrong with that. >> but what you're doing and what he's doing is in the court of public opinion trying to stoke this notion that somehow there is this injustice because of this racial thing. donald trump started all of this. donald trump believes this. >> donald trump must believe he gets something out of it, that

there are enough people -- >> maybe he gets a new judge. >> what do you think? >> i think he's using this as a ploy to basically get the judge to recuse himself because, as jeffrey mentioned, he has not filed anything and as margaret just said there is no legal pathway for him based on what he has said, that this judge is biased based on his heritage. what donald trump should do is what he mentioned in the interview, move on from this. let his lawyers handle it. to have his is yosurrogates be responsible for litigating a civil issue -- >> can we go to another question here, and that is i believe in talking to republicans again that this is the case, donald trump thought there was some electoral advantage to saying what he said and to raising this question. and he put it out there to help him win this election, and now it has backfired, or it appears to have backfired. we are swimming around in a sea of red herring here. >> alex? >> had is what drives mainstream

republicans absolutely up the wall about donald trump and his campaign. he has now turned the entire last week of the election, a period of time where hillary clinton has faced damaging disclosures about her e-mails at the state department, that the president and hillary clinton have faced damaging sign of slow economic growth into a referendum on a civil case alleging fraud against him and his businesses and the question of whether he's attacking a judge in racist terms. this is not the way any conventional candidate would handle this matter. and i think you are seeing what the benefits of being a slightly more conventional candidate might have been. >> he wanted to raise race. that's the underlying fact that we're talking about here. he raise it had purposely and the question of muslims as well. that is his central underlying message. >> he didn't raise that. he was asked about that. he responded -- he did answer the question. >> he brought up the judge's name at a political rally for one purpose only and that is what carl said to bring up the issue of race saying he is being

treated poorly by a man of mexican heritage. >> we have to take a quick break. jeff, go ahead. you get the last word. >> carl, again, president kennedy, race has no place in american life or law. i agree, donald trump agrees. unfortunately, a lot of republican establishment folks are into identity politics and that's not good. >> i don't quite get your argument. you are completely reversing -- it's donald trump who brought up -- >> racial politics with the emancipation, was he on the american left? >> look, look, this is the thought process of the republ republican party is the constitution should be colorblind, carl. and what we've had for decades now is politics from the left that wants to racialize everything, everybody has to be split up by race, bean counted, et cetera, et cetera. >> but didn't your candidate bring up the ethnicity of this person? in fact, incorrectly so? >> thank goodness because --

yes, and thank goodness he did so we can sit here on cnn and have this conversation. >> you think that's what donald trump was trying to promote, a discussion about identity po politics? >> i absolutely think that. we backed into it sideways but i think that's a very good outcome here. yes. >> by bringing this up he was actually subtly commenting on a condition of the left talking about identity politics, is that what you're actually saying? >> anderson, there's no question that i think he backed into this with the trump university situation. but in doing so it does bring this up. it does bring this up exactly. this has been going on for years. >> let's take a quick break. >> this is an important discussion to have in a presidential campaign and thank goodness he did it. >> it is an important discussion to know where candidates stand on issues like this. more to talk about including the state of texas which also looking at trump university. trump down plays it. the facts of the case, why it was dropped, are raising new questions which we investigated. a rock star sized rally for bernie sanders in san francisco with the delegate numbers

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state of texas attorney general's office was seeking $5.4 million from donald trump and trump university to avoid a lawsuit. the money to pay back theed 456 it texans investigators say the school defrauded which makes this comment from donald trump in an interview with jake tapper last week seem at the very least completely misleading. >> and do you know this case was turned down by almost every attorney general from it texas to florida to many of these states? >> reporter: in texas trump university was subject of a full-scale investigation by the attorney general's department of consumer affairs. it alleged trump university violated five different texas commercial codes and accused the school and trump himself of false, misleading and deceptive acts and practices that were unlawful. in fact, these documents obtained by cnn show texas state investigators actually went under cover inside trump real

estate seminars here in texas, and they found the same patterns and practices that has trump defending his university in lawsuits in california and new york. the pitch? >> success. it's going to happen to you. >> reporter: trump university can turn anyone into a successful real estate investor. the reality, trump university was all about bait and switch. according to the texas attorney general, the free seminars were really infomercials for the three-day, $1,495 course. and that three-day course had a primary goal -- to use more high pressure sales tactics to get students to buy the gold elite package for $35,000. dozens of students told the t texas attorney general's office they didn't learn anything except how to prey upon owners in financial turmoil.

and there is this, acknowledgement from donald trump's attorney that trump personally reviewed and approved the course materials. texas state officials felt they had a solid evidence filled case. but just before the settlement meeting, trump u. lawyers told texas they would completely pull out of the lone star state, never to return, and the state's lawsuit was dropped leaving those texans who felt defrauded force d to pursue refunds on their own. >> drew joins us from austin, texas. why did the texas attorney general drop the case? why not try to get back the money texans lost? >> reporter: well, the texas attorney general then is the texas governor today, and governor greg abbott's a republican, so there's been a lot of allegations this was dropped because of the republican connection. well, the governor today said that's just a bunch of bunk. said six years ago he had no say in the decision to drop the trump case, and the person who was involved in saying we're going to drop this case at the

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the primary season unlike any other is nearing the finish line. the final super tuesday now just hours away. six states vote tomorrow. california the biggest prize, 475 democratic delegates at stake. hillary clinton, the front-runner, 26 delegates short of sewing up the nomination. president obama could endorse her by the end of this week. bernie sanders, though, has still not signaled he's ready to bow out, not by a long shot. he raised the prospect aftof a contested convention. gary tuchman got there early to talk to supporters. >> reporter: these are true bernie believers.

♪ bernie sanders bring me a dream ♪ >> reporter: sanders' supporters lining up as far as the eye can see in san francisco. hours before the candidate himself even arrives. >> bernie or bust. >> reporter: but is that bust about to occur? is this bernie sanders' last stand? >> if bernie sanders doesn't get the nominee it would be really depressing. i don't think people will stop believing in him or stop trying to fight the good fight. that's going to be a really sad day if that's the case. >> reporter: sanders refuses to step aside for hillary clinton despite the fact she is on the verge of becoming the presumptive democratic presidential nominee. are you prepared for her being named that? >> i don't want to hear it but, yes, it looks like that could happen, very well happen. >> we knew this was coming. >> reporter: how do you feel about that? >> okay. she's better than the alternative. >> reporter: conciliatory viewpoints like those seem to be the exception among these fervent supporters. >> they are most likely soon going to endorse hillary

clinton. how does that make you feel? what would you say to them? >> they're friends. i didn't vote for obama because i consider him part of the same hillary establishment. >> reporter: a representative of many people waiting in this line. hillary clinton is named the presumptive nominee, what are you going to do or say about it? >> she won't be. straight up, dude, she won't. what if, what if. >> reporter: she is angry and has no plans to compromise. the fact is it's likely going to happen. >> it likely isn't. that's your script. that's your script, dude. everybody on the internet, social media, look, there's all the polling out there and you are straight up just lying. it's a blackout. >> reporter: a blackout which is short for bernie blackout which many sanders supporters allege has kept their man off the news. many here say they have a message for democratic party leadership. >> what i say to them, their days are numbered. they are subverting the will of the people. >> reporter: there is a lot of time for this anger to possibly subside.

election day is still five months away. five months ago the iowa caucuses hadn't even happened yet and a lot of tumultuous developments since then. five months is a long time. but some here swear they will never get over it. if you watch tv tuesday night and see hillary clinton's name next to the name presumptive democratic presidential nominee, tell me how that will make you feel. >> bad, like doom. i think hillary clinton and donald trump both represent doom. >> gary, it seems a number of people believe bernie sanders has a shot at winning the nomination. >> reporter: that's a common sentiment here, anderson. a lot of people still believe that. for many it's wishful thinking. they don't know how that will work. many people are specific saying there will be a massive super delegate switch and over the next few weeks the super delegates will realize bernie sanders is the man. by the time the convention

comes, they will cast their vote for bernie sanders. by the way, that's dave matthews behind me, the dave matthews band, leading off and bernie sanders will be taking the stage. >> thank you very much. according to cnn's estimate hillary clinton needs 26 delegates. her support among super delegates has given her a huge edge over sanders. john king is back at the wall to break it all down by the numbers. the lyclinton campaign, they're 100% confident she will be the presumptive nominee tomorrow night. any reason to doubt that? >> no. absolutely no reason to doubt that, anderson. let me show you why. in the pledge delegate count just shy of a 300 lead in pledge delegates now. this is changing by the second -- by the second. look at this, 561 super delegates in now to 47 for senator sanders. we have her right here up kissing the line, shy by ten delegates. as i said, this is changing by the second. and the clinton campaign knows, number one, media counts are beginning to put them at or over the line. they know in their private conversations with these remaining 106 super delegates dozens of them, i'm told, have

already privately committed to secretary clinton. they know in their math they're already over the line. what they want to have happen is for the voters to do it. they want to be able to say the voters of new jersey put hillary clinton over the line. they expect to win in new jersey tomorrow. they expect to win something like this, 55% to 45%. even if bernie sanders pulled off an upset and win 55% to 45%, hillary clinton is across the finish line. they are quite certain the first state we count votes in tomorrow night, if there is any doubt by 8:00 tomorrow night, 9:00 tomorrow night, there will be none when we start counting in new jersey. >> and the young lady in gary's piece who said this is all a conspiracy by the media, on the internet there are all these polls and a blackout, is there a path for bernie sanders to come back tomorrow? >> yes, but it's a very difficult path. let me take the super delegates off the board. if this happened tomorrow, anderson, if senator sanders won them all -- i have to tap this here. hang on one second. if senator sanders can win them all, and this is at 55%/45%,

i'll show what you it does to the pledge delegate count. they think maybe they will win california. if they could get two, maybe three. sanders will get the dakotas and montana. if sanders won them all, he would still be 220 or so down in the pledge delegate count. he needs to win with 60% in some states, 70% in some states. is it possible? maybe up here. is it possible in new mexico, california, and new jersey? probably not. but if he wins them all, anderson, maybe the super delegates get a case of jitters. this is unlikely. i want to show you something to close the conversation. when you hear the sanders' supporters say this, part of this is what they're being told by the senator's allies. if you look at this, if this is about democracy, heading into tomorrow she's won 29%, he's won 21%. she has this healthy lead in super delegates. for senator sanders to win, to create the environment for super delegates to switch, anderson, six tomorrow, the final con ete

in the district of columbia. if he can get this down to maybe 100, maybe a case of the jitters. most people think that's unlikely including the president of the united states who is prepared as early as wednesday to come out for secretary ly clinton. >> john king, thanks. back with the panel, also joining the conversation, a bernie sanders' surrogate who also ran against hillary clinton in the primary for her senate seat in 2006. also a clinton supporter and executive director of the new york state democratic party. jonathan -- >> i'm not going to say -- no! she's not clinching it tomorrow. here's a statement from the sanders' team. i won't read the whole thing. it's unfortunate the media in a rush to judgment are ignoring the national committee's clear statement. i want to underscore that's the dnc's statement not the sanders' campaign, that it is wrong, with all due respect to john king, who i admire, wrong to count the votes of super delegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer. secretary clinton does not have and will not have the requisite

number of pledge delegates to secure the nomination. and i just can't fathom why the media's just rushing to call this thing over. the first thing that's going to happen tomorrow -- >> isn't president obama rushing to call this over? >> i want to point out two things before i talk about the president. tomorrow there are going to be people who want to vote in california. and if the media has already started calling this, that will discourage people from voting. that is not good for democracy. there is still a primary on december 14th for district of columbia. >> those people coming forward wednesday, is he silencing the votes of people? >> i think the president should wait and honestly the president should wait until the super delegates vote at the convention. i understand why he's doing that. if you look actually at the facts about when the nomination is, it's not until the convention. >> i don't know why the president should wait. the super delegates have made up their minds. it's incumbent upon the sanders' campaign to change their minds. yes, the language presumptive

nominee but the fact of the matter is she's won 3 million more votes. she's won more primary states. she has the majority of the delegates. the rules say you add these super delegates which get you to that 2,383 number and, yes, you can go to the convention. you can do whatever you'd like to do at the convention to sway some of the delegates, it's unlikely to happen and, frankly -- frankly i think it's important to start early a ground game that gets us to a place where we can go after donald trump. >> first of all, we're all going to be onboard -- >> jonathan, quickly. >> we're all going to be onboard of defeating donald trump. basil made a slight adjustment i agree with. tomorrow we can't use the word clinched. i understand if the media says it's a steep hill, et cetera. >> if i can stick up for the media. saying that hillary clinton is overwhelmingly likely to be the democratic nominee is going to discourage people from voting, we would have seen some evidence

of that since the media began saying that correctly in april, right? >> that's not true. >> jonathan, jonathan, come on, come on. senator sanders -- senator sanders -- >> let him respond. you've talked twice. let him speak once. >> senator sanders was raising the hue and cry they ought to vote the will of their states. now we're supposed to be backing off and letting super delegates vote any which way they please regardless of whapts what happens in their states. i respect you're an aggressive is your dwat for your candidate, i respect senator sanders wants a path forward. let's not pretend the press is doing anything other than the math and reporting the results. >> all i'm saying they should not use the word clinch because it's not factual. that's what the dnc's position is. >> we're going to take a quick break. hillary clinton just wrapped up a rally in long beach. just ahead we'll talk about what might happen after the votes are in tomorrow if secretary clinton does hit the magic number of delegates. what will bernie sanders' next move be?

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sanders concert and rally on the left, bill clinton speaking on the right as the eve of super tuesday of 2016, what happens after tomorrow. back with the pam, what has

history showed in terms of when we saw clinton against then candidate obama coming together at the convention? how likely will we see a repeat of that at this convention? >> that would be the model for a winding down of this primary. it's less than senator sanders wants to get from them. you had this sort of show unfold in the couple weeks after the nomination wound up and again going into the convention. hillary clinton wanted to have her moment in the sun. there was really no question that it was over. you didn't have surrogates for hillary clinton saying this thing could still go any way. who knows what could happen between now and then. the real qui, the thing that makes trump supporters a little bit excited is senator sanders is not a guy who has lived --

>> do you believe your candidate trump can still pick up sanders support e supporters? >> there's an assumption bernie sanders endorses hillary clinton everybody comes. that's not happening. a third of the voters aren't going to come. they're going to stay home. she didn't clinch anything. a lot can happen. the democratic rules are pretty clear. she could be indicted between now and then. more information could come out. issues about her foundation. there are so many things. >> is that what is the subtext of some of the sanders campaign? >> yes, and i've talked to another sanders people that they think there's a chance of leaks or whatever, not niecely an indictment that will make the super delegates think twice. you have president obama thinks she is the better candidate. he's going to come out for her

and is the one person that can really help her in this election. he has credibility. he can pull the party together. sanders in this convention is going to also move to hillary if he's the nominee. i cannot imagine he wants to be put in the role of electing donald trump. no one thinks he won't campaign with everything he's got to beat donald trump. >> while i respect so many of you on this panel i think it's disingenuous to hold this indictment over her head. >> i think it's unlikely. i don't think there will be an indictment. >> the fact we keep talking about it -- >> let him respond. >> it seems to me all it does is fuel the folks on the right that have basically only promoted this issue as a means to

disqualify her. >> it's about reporting and journalism. it's not about favoring a candidate. there is a real investigation going on. we don't know the results of. we know there are a lot of people in that investigation who might leak things that are in hillary clinton's interest. whether they're fair or not. it's part of the dynamic. >> i want to go off the indictment thing. that's all speculation. i actually support what basil says. some bernie supporters will be outraged by this but there's a bigger thing which is all the polls show bernie does much better against donald trump and for the following reasons. he appeals to independents. the economics don't work for most people. it's one of the reasons i've argued donald trump will do well in some industrial battleground states over trade. bernie sanders has been solid on and hillary clinton has not. the pitch i would make, and i think bernie would make to the super delegates, has nothing to do with e-mails.

he doesn't want to focus on that, but about the issues, about why he's stronger and will bring a better america for the people. >> we have to take another quick break. i want to thank everybody on the panel. coming up this evening, the prosecutor investigating the case of a 3-year-old boy who got in that gorilla enclosure at a zoo has made a decision whether the mom will face any charges. what he said today and why. >> everybody back up. >> quiet. if legalzoom has your back.s, over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start

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the incident that left a 450-pound gorilla dead and a family of a 3-year-old very shaken up says the mother will not face any charges. the boy was dragged by harambe, the gorilla. by all accounts, the mom didn't act in any way that was harmful to the child. a zoo official shot and killed harambe and zoo officials say it was the right decision in this case. randi kaye spoke with an expert on gorillas at the philadelphia zoo to learn more. >> reporter: this is how most gorillas spend their days, sitting quietly, snacking on leaves and berries. at the philadelphia zoo, there are five gorillas, including three silverbacks.

matuba weighs more than 400 pounds. >> he's a relatively adult male gorilla. gorillas have personalities just like people do. >> reporter: the zoo's chief operating officer has studied them and it's really the male who is responsible for managing the social order of the group, managing their day-to-day activities. activities that include playtime. >> tumbling across the grass, tackling, all of the things that you would expect to see in adolescence humans. >> reporter: he refers to them as quiet giants. they have many as 30 different vocal lie zagss, including roars if throughout tended and rumbles if satisfied compared to other prime plates, they are quiet but at times can be hostile. >> they have a fairly dramatic display. the whole chest-pumping thing although it's actually not this,

it's with an open hand. and they can charge across and usually not make contact with the object of their display. >> reporter: such a colorful display, andy says, is most often provoked by something or someone else. and he says while gorillas in general may not be aggressive, certain things can set them off. for example, humans communicate using direct eye contact but for a gorilla, a direct stare can be perceived as a threat and they may lash out. still, at the philadelphia zoo, staring is all visitors can do. these gorillas are a huge attraction. here, visitors get to see the gorillas and their trainers inrakt. the gorilla keeper uses hand signals and vegetables for rewards to entice gorillas to get close and get medical treatment. this way, trainers can administer vaccinations. with the chest pressed to the mesh, he can get an

electrocardiogram. workers can inspect his feet or hands for injury. this pregnant gorilla has learned to press her belly to the fence. this is ache approximate you tur of the baby inside her. no question, they are smart and like to learn but andy reminds us that they are unpredictable. >> predicting what any wild a l animal is going to do is something you cannot do with a high degree of reliability. >> did they comment about the ohio incident? >> they didn't want to talk about that but our expert told us that sort of dragging behavior like we saw the gorilla dragging the boy in cincinnati is part of his dramatic display and usually goes along with the chest tluhumping. they do drag branches into their display when they are responding to something in their environment. it's typical to see a male

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that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now. the breaking news, hillary clinton and bernie sanders vow to fight for every last vote in tomorrow's primary despite reports she has reached the magic number to clinch the democratic nomination. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. this on the day that donald trump doubles down on his criticism of the judge presiding over his trump university case saying that he won't apologize and insisting they back him up. democrats having a field day with this. >> trump doesn't want you to pay attention to what this case is revealing so he is attacking the judge and saying outrageously that the judge who is of mexican