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clinton on the issue of terrorism and getting into a war with the "washington post." we're going to get into all of that this evening. want to begin this hour with cnn's pamela brown who is here with me in orlando. she's been working this story and investigating it. we're learning much, much more about omar mateen. give us the latest on that investigation. what is the latest on the investigation? >> we know that investigators followed up on more than 100 leads, don. and they also have been interviewing the wife of the gunman. and she has been speaking to investigators giving helpful information according to our law enforcement sources including some of the place this is gunman visited in the days and perhaps the weeks leading up to the mass shooting. so investigators are using that information to piece together a time line. and they want to figure out if there was preoperational surveillance done, if there were perhaps other targeted he was scoping out. all that is still under investigation. but what we do know is he was

exposed to jihadist propaganda online. and that is part of why he was radicalized according to our law enforcement, sos. one source said he was taking in a lot of that prop gand yachlt it wasn't just isis. it was other terrorist groups as well. the picture of this gunman that is very confused, very disturbed because there seems to be under influences here beyond just the fact that he may have been inspired by terrorist organizations. >> he was certainly conflicted abo about something. we're learning about him possibly visiting pulse, going to the club before numerous times. >> right. and so four patrons would are regulars at that club told the orlan "orlando sentinel" that he visited this club multiple times prior to the attack. and so that is a line of inquiry that investigators are pursuing. they want to figure out why that was. was it for personal reasons? was it all part of the planning

prior to this attack so he could do the preoperational surveillance? they haven't figured out why he had gone multiple times. it is certainly something of interest. >> what about the reports about gay hookup or dating sites like grinder or jacked? >> that is something else that investigators are looking at. they're putting this picture together. we heard from the patrons. ween to the to the nightclub multiple times and now we're learning he was using these gay apps. the question is, that investigators are trying to ans, was he doing it for his own personal reasons? was he trying to learn more about the gay community or partst blaning? that sun clear. it is certainly of interest. >> again, as the patrons are saying, they've seen him. there are people saying on these apps, right that, he contacted them. those are, again ashgs cording to people who were with the using the apps. they say he contacted them. thank you pamela brown. i appreciate your reporting on that. donald trump getting a major speech today. let's talk about the political part about. this a mathor speech in reaction

to the massacre in orlando swrechlt more. >> reporter: donald trump's 34-minute speech was brimming with the kind of nativist rhetoric that helped him win the gop nomination. >> they're pouring in and we don't know what we're doing. >> reporter: but as he doubled down on the solution to americans fear of attacks at home, limiting immigration into the u.s., trump made lots of flames, some true, some not true. in the category of not true, this -- >> the killer whose name i will not use or ever say was born in afghanistan, of afghan parents who immigrated to the united states. >> reporter: his parents did immigrate from afghanistan but the killer himself was born in new york. which is why u.s. officials are calling it an act of homegrown terrorism. still, regardless of the orlando killer being american, the thrust of trump's response to the attack is focused on

concerns about immigrants. he drilled down on hillary clinton's plan to let syrian refugees into the u.s. >> a 500% increase in syrian refugees coming into our country. tell me, tell me how stupid is that? this could be a better, bigger, more horrible version than the legend airy trojan horse ever was. >> reporter: that stat that clinton's refugee proposal would be a a00% increase over president obama's plan is true. to be specific, obama's plan allows for 10,000 refugees, clinton's is 65,000. that would actually be a 550% increase about what trump claims. but he also argues there is no vetting. >> having learned nothing from these attacks, she now plans to massively increase admissions without a screening plan. >> reporter: the reality is

refugees now go through months of processing and paperwork before they being admitted into the u.s. so that is false. then there's the question of how many syrian rev knees are coming in now. >> we have to stop the tremendous flow of syrian refugees into the united states. >> reporter: on cnn's new day, trump was more specific. >> we have, by the way, thousands and thousands of people pouring into our country right now who have the same kind of hate and probably even more that he has. >> reporter: on the numbers, what trump said is true. according to the state department, 3,887 syrian refugees have been admitted to the u.s. since last october. more than 2,000 of them in the last month alone. though that's far fewer so far than the 10,000 president obama said he would allow. and on the issue of guns -- >> her plan is to disarm law abiding americans, abolishing the second amendment and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists

with guns number good. not going to happen, folks. not going to happen. >> reporter: trump repeated the claim that hillary clinton wants to do away with america's right to bear arms. but that is false. clinton does want to restrict access to guns but not abolish the second amendment. >> if the fbi is watching you for a suspected terrorist links, you shouldn't be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. >> reporter: beyond the specific statements for muslims in america, trump's overall tone was no doubt alarming. even as he said some american muz li muslim communities are great and call for a partnership. they know he was bad. despite offering no evidence, any of the killer's fellow american muslims knew about his intentions. don? >> thank you, dan yachlt i appreciate. that want to talk about this now with the cnn political

commentator and trump supporter. buck sexton is here as well, he is a former cia agent. and van jones is also here. so good evening to all of you. good to you have on. what is your reaction to what you heard from dana bash? >> first of all, i want to say that my heart goes out to the victims and families. i know this is an unimaginebly hard time. just we're all with you no matter what side of the aisle we come. from but my reaction to dana's piece is that donald trump is exactly on point. he was correct when he said in his speech we have engage fwhd deadly ignorance. we have a president who is called had a workplace violence. he called this random acts of cre extremism. but the problem is this is radical islamic terrorism and we need a commander in chief who will say that and say it boldly and go after these monsters who are slaughtering people, gay,

straight, female, male, we need someone who is going to go after these monsters and find them. that is exactly what donald trump said in his speech. >> van jones? >> well, first of all, like kaly, this is a horrible situation. i'm not gay. i'm not muslim. i'm very close to both communities. i also want to say you to you, don, you're having to pull double duty as a victim of the community and doing your job. first of all, much hor yoen' resper -- honor and respect you to, brother. i think trunl's tone and ideas are just horribly wrong headed. the reality is we don't understand what happened yet. this could in fact be an act both of a hate crime against gay people. it could also be an act of self loathing by a gay person. it could be radical terrorist act by somebody inspired by jihad or that could be an excuse for a cover. it could be a gun policy

failure. it could be evil. instead of us coming together like we used to do when these things happen, instead, we have people that run and try to divide us with their own policy restrictions. that's wrong. it's wrong today. and i was very disappointed to hear that kind of an approach when most people are just shocked and grieving. >> i want to go to buck. donald trump said on -- by the way, thank you, man, for. that donald trump said on cnn this morning that she is not afraid to say -- or hillary clinton said she's not afraid to say radical islam. trump was asked to respond to that. listen. >> radical islamic terrorism was responsible. she did say that. that's a departure for her. >> she used radical -- she used radical islamicism. she didn't use radical islamic terrori terrorism. there is a difference. she didn't say it. she said she would use it. the only reason she did that is because i've been going after her. >> you've been pounding her,

there's no doubt about it. >> if i didn't do that, she would have never -- if i didn't do that, she would have never said those words. >>. i don't know. that but you're better at that mind reading thing than i am. >> i don't want the credit. >> all right. >> i didn't pound her on that, she would not have said it. >> all right. so buck, he says he force herd to say it. what do you think? does it matter what she says or what it is called? >> i think it's important to have an accurate and open discussion and description of what happened and the motivat n motivations behind it. hillary clinton this morning referred to radical islamism and jihadism. it's strange for a former secretary of state to know that islamism by its nature is considered to be radical and certainly gee jihadism is radical. again, that's getting perhaps even further in the weeds than we need. to on van's point he maud a minute ago about how we came together. >> no as you're talking about

it, let's listen to what hillary clinton said so we can discuss it. here it is. >> from my perspective, it matters more what we do than what we say. it mattered that we got bin laden and not what name we call him. they should not use islam to justify slaughtering innocent people wluchlt call it radical jihadism or islamism, i think theret same. i think it's dangerouses for efforts to beat this threat is to demonize and demagogue and declare war on an entire religion. that plays right into isis' hands. >> so, buck, i want you to respond quickly and then van to as well. i didn't mean to cut you off. >> what i said before stands. there say distinction between islamism and jihadism and hillary clinton coming out and saying it, it shows she's not very comfortable with this

terminology. she uses it improperly. for a former secretary of state that, is weird. i want to move on to van's point which is necessary. this should be about stopping the next attack. i would think there should be a unity between political parties and across political lines to try and do that. and there are some things we can have a real discussion and should have a real discussion about immigration in this country and whether it has any effect whatsoever on terrorism. a discussion, for sure. i think also there is a discussion to be had on gun control although once again, people -- >> i need to move to get to mo. i have more people on the panel. mo, you heard what he said, she said z it matter what it is called? >> look, i'm kind of with her on. this i'm far less concerned with what it's called and much more concerned with what we do about it. words do maert. this is the point he's making. words do matter. if you listen to the wore that he's using, it should be chilling to every american out

there. when he is casting aspersions on an entire faith and making them complicit in what happened in orlando, that is remarkably dangerous. when he is insinuating and questioning openly the loyalty of the presidentst united states in combatting this, that should be horribly chilling to every single american. there is a reason why donald trump is featured in isis recruiting videos. there is a reason why he has become the face of the anti-muslim movement within the muslim community. it is setting us further back when we use this kind of rhetoric. van is right. it's about coming together as a nation. but it's also about how we're going to deal with our adversary as broad. >> all right. i'm dealing with limited time. sorry to cut you all off. we'll be right back. every ingredient is the main ingredient.

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so let's pick up our discussion now. i want to bla this four. there is donald trump. he called in to fox and friends this morning. said this about president obama in relation to the orlando attack. listen. >> he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands. it's one or the other. either one is unacceptable. we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's

got something else in mind. and the something else in mind, you know, people can't believe it. people cannot -- they cannot believe that president obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words radical islamic terrorism. there is something going on. it's inconceivablinconceivable. >> okay. so what is he insinuating? what he is saying there? he is akugz tccusing the presid being a sympathizer? >> i don't think so at all. later in the day he was asked what he meant. he said i don't it this president wants to see what's going on. i think there are a lot of people that sit back and befuddled by the president's actions whenever these things happened. oftentimes, not today, thankfully, but oftentimes he takes the opportunity to instead of chastising the terrorists, he'll condemn the actions, of course, but then he goes on to say to america, it's important tore tolerant. and we americans sit here and we

think we don't have a tolerance problem. i don't look around. i spoke to many people today. i watched the news from top to bottom. i haven't seen anyone saying inflamatory islamic hateful things. >> except for donald trump. >> no, no. he never said anything that the. he made one kplent about muz imz knowi -- comment about what muslims knowing what is going on. that's what he is talking about. we can distort the comments all night. i think it does a disservice to the victims. we should be talking about how to address radical islam, not parsing donald trump's words. >> well, okay -- >> mo first. >> i'm sorry, i like -- i guess i just don't see it the way you do. donald trump has made an entire campaign out of castigating muslims.

and making them a large part of the problem. and want to ban an entire religion from entering this nation. it's not parsing words to replay what he said and amplify it. i mean the man is running for president. and what he is saying is very, very dangerous. >> first of all, there is this mythology that somehow the president came out and said radical islamic terrorism, everything should be perfectly fine and we would all -- and it would be better. i just don't think that's right. some americans haven't heard why he doesn't use that term. i like to explain it. it would be paying them an incredible kbliment to associate them with islam. this is one of the great faiths to call them what they want to be called. it would be giving them a comment. he's insulting them by refusing to call them that. like when the kkk, another terrorist organization, they call themselves a christian organization. we would never call them christians. it would pay them a kbliment.

they call themselves patriots. we don't call white terrorist groups patriots. because that's what they call themselves. it's not that he's not every day trying to ep kus safe, but he just forgot to say a term. if he said that term, it won't fix the problem. i don't understand the obsession with the term. >> i think that is just willful blindness. it's not the pez's place to be able to say that any particular group is or is not within the islamic faith, especially when groups are calling themselves like the islamic state. they would beg to differ. i'm not here to parse out who the correct from a thee lodge wall per inspect whoif is correct and not. i'm trying to figure out ways to prevent the next terrorist attack. the reason that people have trouble with this administration in particular is because as she noted earlier in the show, the president said things like ft. hood where you had a u.s. -- a member of the united states military in contact with a wanted al qaeda leader and was then shooting up people on a

u.s. military base. the president calls the workplace violence. the downplaying of the ideological basis for this kind of terror and the presense tense that a majority of the strategic mass casualty terrorism that united states faces is not from something within the broader islamic community. makes a lot of americans feel very uneasy about the way this administration handles things. it's in front of all of our faces. we see all of the different groups. islam in some form or another in their name. to say it's not in the faith at all is just not being honest. >> i think it does matter. there is fear in this country, this politically correct kind of fear that if you see something going on that is strange and the person happens to be of the muslim faith or arabic person that you can't report it which is why we saw in san bernardino. they didn't want to be called bigoted. we see the co-worker of this young terrorist man say he

believes the company did not let this man go or look into the warning signs because in fact he was a muslim man. they didn't want to be accused of being bigoted. when you have a president who says, yes, there is islamic terrorism. yes, we should be on the lookout for anything that is strange of anyone, any color, origin or ethnicity including muslim people, it makes a difference. it is important to call what it is so people feel like they can report strange things when they see them. >> donald trump revokes "the washington post" -- i have to get to a break. donald trump revokes a "washington post" press credentials. we'll be right back. that detergent was like half the price!

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back now with kaly and buck and van jones. van, i know you're chomping at the bit to get n how do you want to respond? >> first of all, i'm not going to insult my friends and kbliment my enemies by calling these butchers muslims all the time. i don't know why anybody thinks that's a good idea. there are a billion muslims in the world that hate this stuff

and offended by it. it doesn't make ate love sense. the other thing i want to point out, the vast majority of people who have been killed in the united states by terrorist acts since 9/11 have not been killed by muslims. they've been killed by politically motivated white supremacists and politically motivated white nationalists. so that is something that we don't talk about. so something weird happens. when a white person shoots someone we talk about their mental state first. were they crazy and ideology second? when a muslim does it, we talk about ideology first and then the mental state second. they're extremists on the religion and crazy. we have to have one standard. we have to talk someone's mental state or we're going to talk about the ideology f we talk about ideology, the white see prem sifts killed more people since 9/11 than the muslims have. >> i have to respond to. this the cutout 9/11 from -- >> i can't, buck. i can't. that is the last on this conversation. buck. >> that is disingenuous.

>> the "washington post" is the first outlets to report on this with the original reporting. they were the first one of the first outlets to report on the headline reading donald trump suggests president obama was involved with the orlando shooting. the post later changed the headline to donald trump seems to connect president obama to orlando shooting. trump took notice to. that here's what he said. based on the incredibly inaccurate coverage and report setting trump campaign, we're revoking the press credentials of the dishonest "washington post." buck, the daily beast, buzz feed, the huffington post have been blocked in recent months. is donald trump at war with the press right now? >> i don't know how long this will really last. you had huffington post, one of the most read news sights saying that his campaign was a joke and they weren't going to cover it. this works both ways. that is quite obvious at this point. you also have democrats who won't go on fox nouz do a debate. there is any number of ways can you slice it. donald trump deciding he's going

to invoke press credentials. he's within i had rights to do it. i don't encourage it. but if he wavents to do it, he can do it. i still would like to respond to the fact that we are pretending the threat from nonislamic terrorism is equivalent to other terrorism. but if we have to move on, i suppose we'll move on. zbh buck, it's only a timing thing. that's not it. it's timing thing. i want you to respond to the "washington post" that him revoking their press credentials. >> yeah, i think he absolutely should v in fact, i think what they did was edging on libel. when you say donald trump suggests obama is involved with the shooting, when all donald trump has ever said that had no reference to. that there may be something else going on here. and from that "the washington post" basically concocts this headline much like the "national enquirer" would do. i mean this is ab seen. if you want to be a real credible news organization, report facts. don't report lies.

don't make things up. then you don't deserve to have press credentials. >> the executive editor said donald trump's decision to revoke "the washington post" press credentials is nothing less than a repudiation of the role of a free and independent press. when coverage doesn't correspond with what he wants it to be, news organization is banished. what is your take on that? >> i spent 20 years as a press secretary. and communications director. i had my fair share of fights with your colleagues in the press corps, don. i have gotten into screaming matches with some of them over the years. i never banned anyone from covering. number one, it's silly to think can you ban anyone from covering your campaign. if you want to restrict access, i guess you have the right to do that. but when you are stepping out on to this stage as a candidate for president of the united states,

this comes with the territory. you're not going to like all the coverage. you're going to think some of the coverage is unfair. but the press plays a role. nobody knows that better than donald trump. donald trump is a creature of the press. so to do this i think is disingenuo disingenuous. >> in the short time we have left, you worked for the obama administration. most administrations if they don't like what you're saying, dhoenlt tell you they're going to take the press credentials. they just ice you out. so is his way a better way? >> look, a fair point there. there are lots of ways for the press to handle it. i guess you could give him points for being authentic and being clear about it. there is i think a concern. he doesn't seem to have the same basic respect for the independents of the press that you would want. he loves the press when he's getting a lot of attention. gets angry when the attention is different. i think it's disturbing. i wish he had more respect for an independent judiciary. i think the comments about the judge were wrong and also about the press. >> thepredom neninently

left leaning. >> i think they all do the same thing. donald trump is saying i'm not going to do it. everybody else says they don't tell you. >> absolutely. they get some people access and others not. it's not as crazy as people think. >> absolutely. next, late breaking news about the activities of the gunman leading up to the shooting, the killing at the orlando nightclub. we'll be right back. ♪

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investigators using cell phone data determined that omar mateen visited a disney property hours before the attack and he searched online for a lot of jihadist propaganda including isis beheading videos. we have the senior editor from "the daily beast," eye retired special agent at the fbi and a former new york city police commissioner and retired xbloesives investigator. michael, what do you make of the search and also visiting disney properties? >> to be honest, i don't know what to make about visiting the

disney property. maybe he wanted to go to disney world or scouting another potential target. the jihady propaganda though, this is straight out of central casting. i've seen reports he was watching the serm yonz and youtube videos of the sort of main al qaeda cleric based in yemen killed in a drone strike. it is very common for isis adherence today to have been either in part or whole radicalized by the videos. everything is so far about this guy that we discussed in the last segment that he might have been closeted gay and will some kind of deep-seated personal grievances against blacks and jews and ethnic minorities and so orngs everything so far leads me to believe that, again this was a lone wolf phenomenon. you can write the script with a crayon these kinds of characters. the only things that mising so far is some stint in jail. you know, an arrest for some kind of petty krcriminality.

but almost every major terrorist operation we've seen in the west add here's or, you know, kind of conforms to this broad script that we're seeing unfold so far. i don't see anything to indicate that there was a large scale coordination with isis. >> all right, your opinion? >> listen, that's what they do. you know, these guys are radicalized online. we've seen this in the last two or three events where they're looking for propaganda. they're searching the internet through the various apps. this is the way they communicate. this is the way they learn. this is the way they're radicalized. >> let's talk about soft targets. people all over the country are

concerned about soft target bdz movie theaters and concert halls, malls. just about anything. >> yeah. >> can you say anything is a soft target. you can't protect 100% of the people. what can we do better though? >> well, we have to be aware as citizens to have what we call situational awareness. you look in the exit signs and figure out how to get quickly. there is something that the population in israel deals with every day. and we're just starting to experience it now with these types of events. and i think this just emphasizes more that if you see something you have to say something. and if i could discuss why this individual was seen at disneyland, he probably was evaluating what is the best target. what was the best soft target? if you look at disneyland, i think it is very difficult to get a weapon past the main gate

in disneyland. but in a crowded bar, that's not the case. it's not unusual that they would case a blase ahead of time. we have the case where the conspiracy to blow up the prudential building in newark, new jersey, after 9/11. those individuals were seen casing that location prior to the event. >> the first thing that popped out of my head, the timest evening that led me to believe right away that he had been surveilling this particular location. that means he was surveilling others to look for the softest target possible. he hit this place at 2:00 a.m. as it was jam packed with people and just started shooting people. it was loud. it was jam packed. and actually nobody could really hear the rounds going off. >> so if he was interviewed about it fbi multiple time, why

doesn't that information trickle down to the proper sources, especially whether he is purchasing guns? >> the fbi did interview him a bunch of time. we also had the incident where he was taking the weapons training. that should have raised red flags. there should have been communication through the joint terrorism task force and all around the country. that should have been communicated on. what have r you have here is a situation where there is really no linkage between what the fbi comes to a concluded their case and couldn't find anything there which means there is no conviction, there is no case moving forward. that allows you to go out and purchase the weapons. >> is there something where at least there is some sort of flag or some sort of information sharing even if you, you know, don't prohibit someone from buying a gun, their right to buying a gun. at least the person selling them the gun would at least have

information about it and maybe able to alert authorities on some way. no? is that not feasible. >> that's exactly what i wrote about this morning, don. this guy woontz fbi radar on two or three different occasions. being looked at as a possible sympathizer, supporter or a terrorist. they found nothing. rightfully so. they went on about their business. but at some point once he filed an application to purchase a firearm that, should be flagged in some way where it bounces back to the bureau or the local municipality or local police where they can give him a call, stop by his house go, check him out. what you are looking for the guns for? without that, you're going to have tons of these things happen in the future. >> anthony, if you want to weigh in on. that i see several panelist shaking their heads. are you in agreement with that? >> don, this is not an unusual

event. what the fbi did whether she looked at him is what they can do all the time. the fbi didn't do anything wrong. when a person goes to purchase a firearm or explosives, they come up on the national criminal instant background system. they're looked toot see if their prohibited from purchasing a firearm or convicted felon or a fugitive from justice, illegal drug abuser? this is not unusual. gao reported in may of 2010 that from february 2004 to 2010, the fbi data showed there were 1,228 individuals that came up on the hit list that were on the watch list trying to buy firearms. 91% of those roughly 1,119 times the transfer of the firearms were explosives was allowed to go through. that's because there was no prohibiting factors to prevent

that. and this is not law enforcement's fault. law enforcement is doing their job. we don't make the laws. we enforce the laws. congress, the senate particularly had a chance back in may of -- actually, december of 2015 one day after the san bernardino shooting to do something about this but they rejected legislation that would have prevented a suspected terrorist or someone on the watch list from in fact making the perfect that your orlando shooter did. it's not law enforcement's fault. the problem lies with our laws and our regulations. >> we have to leave it there. vo: across america,

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list can go out and legally purchase firearms in the united states of america. well, there's the height of insanity and who is authorizing that insanity? congress of the united states. >> so those are some very strong words. he said that nra is holding congress hostage. is that problem you think, jim maxwe maxwell, to mr. may's point? >> you know, i believe something that is going to have to be examined. i wouldn't go so far as being held hostage. it's going to take some sort of congressional action to change the statute. tony very clearly laid out the criteria for getting weapon in the united states. you can't have a felony conviction. you can't have a history of mental illness or drug use. and now they're going to have to add to that if you are on a watch list, you can't have access to weapons. it makes perfect sense. the law doesn't exist right now.

in order for it to work, you have to go to congress to get some sort of change or amendment to the structure of the law as it stands today. >> you were here and stlag was a solution to some of. this you were saying when the president comes to town, what were you saying? >> there is something that any agency that does protection knows about and, you know, a lot of threats are made to the judiciary, the u.s. marshal protect the judiciary. you have diplomatic security from state department that protects state heads coming to visit. and generally what you'll do is if somebody is making a threat that doesn't rise to the level of a full blown threat that can you take anticipate criminalize that particular threat, what they'll do is they have a list of names. this individual is threatened this judge, this individual has made some threats to the president. and what they'll do is when they're travel something, where they'll go and mock knock on th individual's door to do a

reality check with that person and say wee know you're in town. we're checking on you. >> let's talk about the gun issue. listen to this. >> her plan is to disarm law abiding americans, abolishing the second amendment and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. no good. not going to happen, folks. not going to happen. not going to happen. thank you. she wants to take away americans' guns and then admit the very people who want to slaughter us. let thet come into the country. we don't have guns. let them come in. let them have all the fun they want. >> michael weiss, do you think these sort of domestic terrorism incidents have a connection to immigration in this country? >> in this case, no. i mean this was a guy born in

new york, not afghanistan as donald trump erroneously stated today. his father came into the country 30 some odd years ago when ronald reagan, not exactly a squish on the second amendment or enemy of the united states or national security was president of the united states. i've said it before. i'll say it again. donald trump doesn't know what he's talking about on the issues. stanley mcchrystal, the former head of jsoc, he is responsible for killing more al qaeda in iraq members including senior leadership than probably any other american sowed today that the ar-15, the rifle used to shoot up the pulse nightclub is meant for the battlefield. it's not meant for the streets of the united states. when the founders wrote the second amendment, they were talking about muskets not uzis. the constitution is a living dynamic document as most people who study it agree. donald trump is playing to the

cheap seats here. this is his tactic since the beginning of his campaign. as i said before, i'm much more ameanable to an argument for all the possession of guns and america's rights to court. but if you know what you're talking about when it comes to the middle east or radical jihad or isis. donald trump knows none of those things. >> yeah. bernard, as a police commissioner, you had to many times police are out, you know, outpowered with guns. does he have a point about limiting what kinds of guns people can own? >> i think it's a good question to ask and i think it's something that has to be looked at. i would have to agree with stanley mcchrystal. the ar-15s, uzis, you know, these are weapons used on a battlefield. you know, do we want those on our streets?

i want our police to be able to have them. i don't see a problem with our, you know, off duty police officers being able to possess or carry them. but beyond that, you have to ask yourself do we want people in our communities carrying these types of weapons? >> yeah. last -- that has to be the last word. thank you, gentlemen. that's it for us to night. thank you for watching. stay with cnn for late breaking news on the orlando massacre. good night. working my canister off to clean and shine... and give proven protection... against fading and aging. he won't use those copycat wipes. hi...doing anything later? the quiet type. i like that. armor all original protectant. don't be dull.

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