this was two decades before crime and punishment. it is only fitting that the term white nights is associated with one of st. petersburg's greatest cultural icons. to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week, back in new york city. good morning happy father's day. i'm brian stelter, time for "reliable sources" our weekly look at the story behind the story how news and pop culture get made. donald trump revoking "the washington post's" press credentials. should other news outlets impose a trump bracket? plus an exclusive profile of the woman who defended the ban, trump's press shy press secretary au pics. first the search for meaning after a murderous rampage in orlando. we've seen the victim's faces and heard their names and also now starting to see their

funerals. the attack at the pulse nightclub clearly meant something but what was it? what do we call it and take away from it and how is the media covering people's interpretations? just now i called it an attack, a word usually applied to acts of terrorism but the shooting breeze was the worst mass shooting in this country and in my mind also a hate crime. look at this exchange between don lemon and trump supporter. >> i don't think that's the point right now,.the media is trying desperately to make this about guns. this is about islamic terrorism >> no, the media is not trying to make this about guns. >> kay lee, the media is not trying to make this about guns. >> yes they are. >> what tuning? is the media trying to make this about guns? trump also talked about guns in the massacre, he talked about having more guns. he says some of the club goers should have been armed.

listen how proud he reacts to them. >> if some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here to their waist or right to their ankle, and this son of a [ bleep ] comes out and starts shooting -- and one of the people in that room happened to have it and goes boom, boom, you know what? that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks. that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight. >> he says it would be beautiful but just now a few minutes ago the head of the nra wayne lapierre breaking with trump saying "i don't think you should have firearms where people are drinking." let's go back to the sound of the rally there. it's important to understand that there's a feedback loop between trump and his crowds. when i interviewed trump by

phone earlier this week i asked him to identify his sources for radical islamic terrorism. he said "there are many sources i rely on, many, many resources but i also rely on the feeling of the people" he means the emotions of the people at his rallies, the emotions of the americans who attend and let's face it, americans seem divided. look at this gallup poll. it asked do you view the incident in orlando as more of an act of islamic terrorism or domestic xwn violence? 79% of republicans said islamic terrorism. 60% of democrats said gun violence. unfortunately gallup didn't give people the option of saying both or all of the above. few people who participated this say mixture of both. let me bring in two leader, john aval avalon, editor-in-chief of "the daily beast" and npr's head of news michael oreskas.

great to see you both. >> good to be with you, brian. >> michael, what does this poll tell you and how should journalists inform people what happened when people made up their minds so quickly in this massacre? >> this poll was conducted 72 hours after the horrific events at the pulse nightclub, and already almost everyone had not only made up their mind about the meaning of the event, they've taken sides in a preexisting partisan debate. that's the antithesis of what a journalist should do. we've long ago learned that when you have complicated horrific events like this, you have to proceed fact by fact to assemble what really happened. we warned our journalists and listeners to remember in the early hours and even the early days of an event like this, much of what you learned on the ground and even from law enforcement is inaccurate, sometimes dead wrong, and almost always incomplete.

>> you look at this poll and you think this is a reflection of where we are as a country, that there's no getting around it, or be more optimistic maybe and say no, we're not as divided as we seem. polls make us feel more divided than we are without having the option of nuance and say yes all of the above. >> it is both a hate trim cricr act of terrorism. terrorism almost always is a hate crime. the point is this was the deadliest mass shooting in our country, that is true. it is a terrorist attack, that is true. when we project partisan politics on even things like mass shootings that's a sign of sickness on our society. the tole is not the problem in a pundit sell of the sample set questions. the problem is our impulse to try to hijack knees things with partisan narratives and drive home a larger point which ignores the damage and suffering. >> go ahead, michael. >> it captures another reality which is important both for journalists and for society,

it's pretty well established that if you have a strong opinion about a subject, it's much harder for you to absorb information that may contradict your point of view. so if journalists go out and try to honestly depict what's going on, they will encounter exactly what you showed between don lemon and the trump supporter. there will be many people who will resist that reporting simply because it doesn't fit their preconceived notion. similarly if the facts lead to us decide the shooter in this case was even influenced or directed by outside terrorist groups, those will say no, this is about guns and it will be harder for the society to actually understand what happened and that makes it harder for leaders and for law enforcement to do their jobs properly. >> yes, i think one of the things that maybe does color us as journalists in our perception and coverage of these attacks, when tammy baldwins apart of the

democratic filibuster she listed major mass shootings over the last ten years taken took ten minutes. i heard all the times at "the daily beast" we covered the attacks, the adrenalin, how it absorbed the oxygen in the country and as predicted faded away and surrounded us in the wake of newtown, 90% some support for the bills and couldn't get it past. we have lived through these and people don't kill people, guns kill people but guns help and the idea we can't talk about that, the idea this legislation that even members of congress feel totally defeated and impotent in the face of the shootings we deal with, whether mass shootings or the shooting that occur every day that's an appropriate filter when it comes to opinion or editorial. >> there have been a lot over the bias in the wake of the coverage around guns. something from "slate" argued whenever guns are covered,

there's a media bias. it says there's a lot of coverage of mass shooting but "it's much harder to write about the gun violence in inner cities like chicago but ignoring the wider violence creates the impression that the media cares only about rifles and mass shootings." michael we heard this investigative reporter and editor's conference this weekend going on, the panel of gun reporting experts agreed sometimes there's too much coverage of mass shootings, relatively rare but horrible and not enough coverage of the daily grim death toll from gun violence. how do you as a leader of the npr newsroom try to address that? >> it's an important subject and goes to the large issue of the difference between what you can call a glacial event, things that happen all the time and change us over time and those things that happen suddenly. we're a lot better at covering things that happen suddenly than to stand out rather than the steady accretion of gun violence, althoughly say there are a number of news organizations and i include npr and this has done a good job of for example covering the gun

violence in chicago, or in other cities in this country, but it doesn't stick with people nearly the way the sudden events do. >> is it diverseit to make sure media newsrooms knows what it is to fire a gun and some newsrooms there's a lot of left-leaning people or people who live in cities who don't own guns personally? >> that's a key point, brian. the real divide in guns can be largely explained by urban versus rural, one of the fundamental divides between red state and blue state but between some of our oldest political debates and divide in this country. that's a fair and important point. i think that covering that daily carnage is difficult but also important we ran a piece on friday, 125 gun deaths since orlando just in that week. that's difficult to do on a daily basis especially because there's no national database. in places like chicago you can cover that death toll as it increases over the summer those are important stories for us to cover every day. the numbers themselves are horrific and causes a moral

crieses for our country if we ignore it. >> the nra rarely gives interviews but he's on cbs this morning, just appeared on "face the nation." something he mentioned specifically about the media. here's what wayne lapierre said. >> suggested concealed carry in a nightclub where people are drinking? >> i think you should have firearms where people are drinking but i'll tell you this, i have never seen so much misinformation and poorly researched stories the last week as that as we've seen. what happens on the watch list? people forget law enforcement set it up. that attorney general janet lynch, they're not enforcing any of the federal xgun laws. they let it happen night after night after night and given cover by the elite media like the "new york times" that writes a five-page story and one little paragraph, these bad guys we're facing, they don't say oh gosh they passed a law. oh gosh, i don't think i can do it. >> that's wayne lapierre speaking this morning on cbs. is there an issue with gaining access to nra representatives

and beganing access to republican congressmen who stand with the nra and oppose new gun legislation? is the situation we see after a massacre like this, that that side doesn't speak, doesn't comment, doesn't weigh in and kind of waits for interest or outrage to die down? >> there's some of that, although we saw mr. lapierre this morning, so certainly we heard his point of view. i think there are clearly spokesmen who are accessible. i don't think that's one of the big problems in this debate. i think the big problem is people don't listen to each other. >> but also i think there is a calculated, again, a calculus on the part of some folks in the gun lobby they'll wait for the outrage to fade, which it will and block legislation that's got 90% of the approval of the american people. that's part of calling b.s. what we need do as journalists get the story behind the story of how you can have this massive disconnect between popular approval for no brainer background checks that are bipartisan and their inability to pass congress and there is a calculated attempt to capitalize

off our lack of memory. >> it's a great chance to hold legislators' feet to the fire here because we're talking about even incremental change, if any change happens at all. michael, john, thank you for being here. john, stick around if you can, i'll have you back later in the show. we'll look at another split in the coverage of orlando, the radical islam versus ordinary muslim-americans who opposes it. we'll get into that right after this. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services - all with dedicated, responsive support. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you're free to focus on growing your business. centurylink. your link to what's next.

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welcome back. covering mass shootings and the people who commit these crimes is very difficult especially when the motives of the perpetrators are multilayered, fraught with contradictions and frankly seemingly impossible to ever truly understand and this does seem to be the case of the orlando gunman, as we learn more and more and as news outlets try to get it right in terms of the full scope and why he did this. let's pause for a moment and ask are we doing it at the expense of other americans who are muslim by not having adequate representation and across the news media. joining me to discuss this is irsha manji, is a muslim, lesbian founder of the project of the university of southern california and carl bernstein. do you find you're only booked in moments of crisis, moments of tragedy when acts of violence have been committed by someone

who is muslim, who is just acting they say in the name of isis? >> yes, increasingly, brian, and it's such a good point that you make, you know, that muslims typically are in the media only when there are tragic circumstan circumstances. i often joke with producers, see you after the next shooting, see you after the next bombing, after the next beheading and the tra crazy thing is, people like me, muslims yes but also professionals we're never asked about what we teach or what we do. we are asked only if our religion and how we feel about it. we are reduced to one dimension and that mind others have a lopsided view of all that muslims are not just some of what muslims are. >> and i cited your sexual orientation because we keep hearing claims that perhaps this gunman was on gay dating apps,

he was frequenting this club, then again the "new york times" says the fbi hasn't found any concrete evidence that he was gay. what can you tell me about the portrayal in the past week of these issues involving muslims who are gay, has the coverage been accurate, has the coverage been totally off base? >> no, i think actually the media have done a pretty good job here in the united states especially getting the views of openly gay muslims. we rarely see them in any story about islam, and what i hope, brian, going out of this, is that when there is another story about islam, and again, likely it will be a negative one, that even the first openly gay imam here in america, who had many hits during the past week on television will be gone to by editors and producers for his view about theology, even if it

has nothing to do with homosexual, because again, here is an individual who is expert in his own right about what he does and what he teaches and being gay is just one of the things of who he is, not all that there is to him. >> carl, let me bring you in. i wanted to talk with you about this as well. we both noticed this, something missing this week, this idea that there are limited representations of american muslims on tv. we can't be "reliable sources" if we don't have entire diversity of the country. >> the bigger question is where is the reporting on the reality of muslim communities in america, of muslim america? there is so little real reporting who muslims in this country are, what do they believe? why not a two-hour debate or a two-hour panel during all our

political coverage what the statistics are and in the field reporting. we don't do that. we wait and wait and wait and yet our readers and viewers particularly on television are ignorant about this 3 million strong population of muslims in our country. >> i do here in los angeles a fair amount of tv projects and some of them have to do with islam, not all of them. wren ever a project like this happens i am told by broadcast executives, irshad you got to understand the average american is standard. they hear islam and muslim and they will protest our station and in the life of our channel, i don't need another demonstration. so in a sense, we're getting a vicious circle here, that broadcast executives don't think that americans are smart enough

to understand whoo carl, you and i would like to present. >> with all due respect i don't buy that. i just don't buy it. i believe that cnn and nbc and cbs, i truly believe that real reporting on the reality of muslim america would be welcomed, it's a kind of laziness and thoughtfulness of the kind that we practice but i do not believe that the problem is fear of losing advertising. look, i taught in sunny brook university here on long island. >> i wish you would tell that to broadcast executives. >> i will, and i'm doing it now. i taught at stony brook university on long island here. huge number of muslim students, one of the largest muslim communities. donald trump, if this is as big

a political issue as we say it is, we feel covering it with reporters and we need reporters out there, whatever the facts, let's talk, really believe in terrorism in this country. let's hear that if that's the case, but let's go out there and find out. we have a grievous failure of reporting in this election campaign on this aspect as well as on the lives of the candidates. and it's all related we're being lazy, doing debates and analysis and doing that great but we're not doing beyond the horse race and covering the hugely important resident stories underneath and it's one of the reasons perhaps we have two nominees for president of the united states who are disliked by so. by the american people. >> i hear it on the news side and with irshad entertainment

side of the media business, you're saying there's that kind of understanding, that entertainment executives think americans are stupid. would you like to name any of the studios or networks? >> no, i don't think it would be in anybody's best interest for me to name those individuals, at least not yet but one quick thing i would add about the lazine laziness, not just of broadcast executives but about journalists. we had throughout this week many mainstream moderate muslims on television and particularly those representing national organizations and journalists were settled for often hollow condemnations of this attack in orlando from these lobby groups. what we should be asking them in addition to do you condemn, which of course they will, is then what are you doing to reach out to mosques in this country, and to demand that they stop

preaching intolerance of gay and lesbian people and do you acknowledge there's a certain interpretation of islam that allows for these attacks to be happening? let's put those who are crying civil rights as they should be drying, let's put them on the hot seat as well to see how deeply they're willing to go to offer the truth and the facts as carl wants and as i want to the american people, including to fellow american muslims. >> on that note, we have to break here. >> i believe -- >> irshad thank you for being here. carl stick around. when we come back donald trump banning "the washington post" from his events. i asked trump if he's elected will he kick reporters out of the white house press briefing room? his answer, plus talk of a united trump blackout coming up. i'm terrible at golf.

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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. "i just wanted to be treated fairly" when i asked him about his revoking of "the washington post's" press credentials. "donald trump seems to connect president obama to orlando shooting" it was later toned down. i think the original headline went too far. trump did talk about obama and sinister terms saying there's something going on but he didn't specifically suggest that obama was involved. so the headline did go too far. "the post" editors realized it and tamed it as you saw. trump was fed up and decided to top giving "post" reporters press credentials for his events. "post" editor marty barron said this "trump's decision to revoke "the washington post" press kre den,s is nothing less than the repudiation of the role of a

free and independent press. "the post" will continue to cover donald trump." some called what's going on it a black list. he denied in avision months ago and others include the daily beast, politico, "the huffington post" and buzzfeed. how worrisome is it? the famed former "the washington post" journalist carl bernstein, author of "a woman in charge: the life of hillary rodham clinton" with me john avalon and dana milbank of "the washington post." you work on the opinion side and newsroom side, can you tell us how, if at all this ban has affected coverage at "the post"? >> i don't think of our readers would perceive a difference. it's a hassle to get other people into the events to travel

unilaterally to enter with the public instead of with the press but they're still getting the story. "the post" has been fairly dominant in its trump coverage, i believe that was the reason for the ban, not any particular headlines so it's not really an issue for "the post." what's the rest of the industry going to do about this now, because as you mentioned he's gone after a number of news organizations, he's threatened to rewrite the first amendment, talking about using the fcc and the justice department to go after news organizations, so i'm suggesting it's time to start more the media as a whole to start taking a look at what's going on. >> we'll talk about that in a moment. carl, let me ask you about this, i asked trump when you're in the white house, if you're elected president, will you kick reporters out of the briefing room? he said no, the white house is different. he would never try to get a reporter's credential revoked if he were president. do you believe him? >> first of all,is' shown himself throughout this campaign to be a pathological liar.

there's very little truth that comes out of his mouth. so let's start there, but really, this is about a candidate for president of the united states who does not believe in a free press, keeps talking about changing libel laws and suing the press and has instituted many, many lawsuits throughout his career, but more than anything, as dana is getting at, the underlying story here is who is donald trump and i will say and have said that we are seeing the nominee of a major political party for the first time in our history, who is a neofascist, a particular i kind of neofascist, a strong man who doesn't believe in democratic institutions, his bigotry is evidence and we need to keep looking at it, but this is a story of a candidate who is a total break in our history, and we need to be doing reporting on it, not just debating it on television. i think "the post" the "new york times," "the wall street

journal" are way ahead of television right now in terms of who this candidate is, and also in terms of who hillary clinton is. we need to be looking deep near these candidates. >> you say path almost liar, calling him bigoted. i want to cause there, john avalon do you agree? is that too harsh a statement? >> no, not pathological liar and bigoted. i'm not a big fan of echoes of nazi parallels but -- >> not naziism. >> fair enough and we can get into that peculiar -- >> are we at the point now a year into this campaign this unusual campaign where it's appropriate to call him a pathological liar? >> yes. absolutely. look, this is a candidate who lies with unusual enthusiasm. there have been studies to show on the stump he lies as much as once every five minutes and so it's our job as journalists to hold him to account to insist on a fact-free debate. part of this thing that gets created is often journalist organizations for a variety of reasons slide into that mess of

moral equivalence where they do on the one hand, on the other. if you print something a candidate says you know to be false you become part of the problem. it's our job to push back on that, and look, trump and the press have a twisted relationship. he is a celebrity demagogue who craves media attention, yet resists every attempt to hold him accountable and it's our job to do that without fear or favor. if you become part of the black list as the daily beast has been for a while, now "the washington pos post", where is the badge of on or? >> you've been denied for months, do you attend his events anyway as members of the general public? what do you do to get around the ban? >> there are ways to continue covering a candidate even if they don't give you their official badge and put you into the pen and corral you like so many cattle. what happens is too many organizations frankly i think have been uncomfortable holding him to account because they're afraid of losing access. they're afraid of offending his supporters and that stops them from doing their duty. in the case of the presses, we see the slide to the "the

washington post," it's worth remembering churchill's line about appeaser, feeds the crocodile hoping it eats them last. we need to understand that and push back, that doesn't mean ignoring that he's the republican nominee. that's real. can't make that go away. >> your proposal there should be a blackout, other journalists should skip his rallies because "the post" can't attend? >> he is going to be the republican nominee barring something unforeseen. you can't ignore him. we have our civic duty to cover that but we can do things so we stop giving him this credulous uncritical coverage. ted cruz was right he got about $2 billion worth of the equivalent of ads from the media for free, so i'm saying, stop taking the, his rallies live. >> those are not advertisements. showing the rallies are not advertisements. that is news coverage taken is critiqued and complained everwards.

do you think that's not sufficient? >> no, i think it needs to be critiqued in real time and just simply isn't and the idea of having a fact checking segment after the fact, a lot of us are hung up in the news business about this so-called objectivity, and saying well he said this, and she said this, and not saying no, these things are wrong, and i think the others have been saying here, donald trump it's not about left or right conservative/liberal. this is a man operating fundamentally outside of our democratic system, and it's not wrong of journalists to point that out. in fact it's our obligation. >> that's right. there's not a tension between the ideal of objectivity and calling b.s. on candidates who lie reflexively. those walk hand in hand and are in concert. it may require something as close as possible to real time fact checking. that's our responsibility, that's what we need to be doing and totally consistent with the mission of an ideal, the ideal of an objective press that

pushes back, calls b.s. and insists on a fact-based debate. >> carl, last word to you about the situation with "the washington post." >> well i think it's absurd that you would boycott donald trump or whatever. we need to cover these candidates in terms of their lives, their records, their truthfulness, including hillary clinton on television. we are very late to getting past the debate and to the real story of who these people are, what they've done in their lives. we are now seeing what "the washington post" particularly is reporting about donald trump's life, his almost let's use the word he calls hillary clinton crooked hillary. let's take a look at donald trump's crookedness in his business affairs, and on television. i think we have a great divide between the old main stream media print, now digital press, and television. in television particularly the networks and cable news need to look at their agenda and how we're covering this campaign, get back into business of

reporting not just debating and analyzing which we've been great at, but we've got a lot of reporters and we need to be doing the reporting on hillary clinton, on donald trump, and particularly on america, on muslims, on neofascism. there is a baig gen ka, because something is going on in this country that requires the most thoughtful coverage we've ever had and we don't have it yet and not nearly close enough. >> carl bernstein, john avalon, da dana milbank thank you for being here. >> thanks, brian. what is it like to be donald trump's spokesperson? a new profile of camera shy picks shed light on that. we'll get an exclusive preview after the break. milk wins. 8 times the protein, less bathroom breaks. they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing?

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>> welcome back to "reliable sources." behind the scenes of the trump campaign to the extent there say campaign at all. hillary clinton's campaign has more than as to people who sent out press releases and answer questions and accept interview

request including brian fallon, he's a regular all across cable news. that number of a dozen is normal for the presidential campaign but the trump campaign has just one press person, hope pics, title is press secretary and one of trump's closest aides. you probably never heard of her. she's never given a tv interview and avoids the lime light. we had a hard time finding pictures for the segment. she learned that a typical day for hicks brings upwards of 250 media requests usually, she alone usually decides who gets in, who comes out but sometimes it's trump who plays bouncer for his own private party. olivia is a staff writer for "the daily beast" and joins me now. the 27-year-old press secretary for donald trump is in the july issue of "gq" online tomorrow morning. that's kim kardashian on the cover but i think hope hicks is

the story. i want to talk about "the washington post" press ban she is the one i e mailed and trump called back an hour and a half later. i was surprised he had time to talk with me about this and you were able to interview him about the press secretary. >> hope hicks is press shy which is interesting for a press secretary, a very interesting quality and i was able to interview donald trump while hope hicks sat next to me and said nothing and donald trump sort of talked about her and her fate, you know, with her right there, not saying anything. it was very strange but in some ways i think the story of hope hicks and how she almost accidentally got to the center of the trump campaign neatly captures what is so unorthodox about the trump campaign. trump in some ways seems to have ended up here by accident himself. he didn't think he would make it this far. i think her story is instructive when you're trying to understand him hen ace campaign. >> what's it like to be donald trump's spokesperson? what did you learn through this process? what did you find out about what a day in the life is like? >> very busy is what i learned.

obvious lie she has a ton of media requests that come in all the time but she's not a typical press secretary in that she doesn't do press, doesn't go on television. >> she used to work for ivanka. >> she worked at the trump organization. she's never worked in politics before which is again very unusual for someone of her stature now in the republican party. and but she deals with a lot of media "but she doesn't spin reporters. she's not out there actively trying to change the narrative about donald trump and in some ways that would be an impossible task. >> the clinton campaign during the primaries they were whispering about bernie sanders and martin o'malley when he was in the race, typical press behavior. journalists don't have to listen to it and canis disin but you're saying what makes the trump campaign press shop so strange there's only one person and not doing that kind of on background communication. >> she's not spinning or lying to reporters, however you want

to put it. it's very interesting to me. i spoke to trump's spokesman from back in the '80snd '90s when he was getting a divorce from ivana trump. donald trump is his best spok spokesperson. he knows the press better than anyone else. you basically have to stay out of his way and she's doing a good job. it's difficult, you can't look at the way she's handling this job and say she's doing a badjob or good job. there's no precedent. we've never seen a candidate like this. we can't judge her. >> i asked her are you going to hire more press people to help her? he said they're working on it, but they've been working on that for months and hasn't happened. >> she had no idea when she signed up to be part of the trump organization that she was in effect signing up to join a campaign and she was constantly being promised is my understanding there are going to be more people joining the trump campaign, there would be more communications staff. >> hasn't happened yet, interesting. >> hasn't happened yet. i think part of that is trump

thinks i can do it on my own, also notoriously very concerned about spending too much money, we can see maybe he wouldn't want to hire someone involved in politics before to run his communications shop if it would be expensive. but it is interesting that he is just letting it kind of just, he's winging it basically with the media. >> as jonathan martin said on "inside politics" this morning, for trump the primary is still going on and hasn't made that pivot to the general. >> he's still talking about jeb bush and john kasich, no longer entities he needs to worry about it. >> olivia, thank you for being here. the article will be online on gq's website tomorrow morning up next, what is it like for a local journalist in orlando after this nonstop week and tragedy? we'll talk .. ..

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when you think of orlando, florida, what do you think of? i think of tourism, the home of disney world, so-called happiest plank on world. this week orlando brings something eld to mind -- tragedy, basically becoming the new capital of the world, first rising pop star christina grimmey stopped by, that's why a crew for cnn was there last sunday when this happened, 48 patrons in the pulse nightclub were killed. this happened later in the week. torrie after torrie. it's journalists' response to try to make sense and how these events have happened. it's been very personal for the staff of "the orlando certainty

necessarily." i want to go to the managing editor, john cutter. thank you for taking a few minutes with us. i think about the casey anthony trial, i think about the jerome zimmerman trial for killing trayvon martin in that case, but has this been particularly difficult because it's back to back to back tragedies? we knew people. we had friends who came in sunday morning were worried about their own friends who they had not heard from. i mean, everyone has been to disney. we're so associated with it. that was a real gut punch, too. >> what has been the most difficult part for you, as someone assigning reporters, making sure they're getting their story in on time, but also taking care of themselves.

what's been the most difficult part for you? >> just because there's so many people involved in this, but i think the think we have tried to focus on is realize this is about us as a community. this is the place we live, we work, so we tried to focus a lot off community, both those we sloth and the survivors, but realize this is affecting people. we even had therapy dogs on thursday. it was a little break from the relevinlessness are this, and i think it helped. >> we have a picture on the screen of the food sent to the newsrooms. we've seen this before, there are times when they will send things to each other. does this also stepinvolved journalists, taking the time to

process? >> it's not just the newsroom. we sent a message to the whole building, to let people know there were resources available, and to be sure that people would take advantage of them, but it's very hard to pull anyone who works in the newsroom away from covering this, and that is something we are worried about. >> because they want to continue covering the story. >> what about the week to come? we'll tart to see the national leave orlando. what most do you want to be covering after the national media starts to go home. we've talked about this is not something that's happened to just orlando, perhaps partner with our sister newspapers, and just go to places like san bernardino, or sandy hook, and try to understand how did those communities process what happened. i think everyone is looking to see how the investigation continues, what are we going to learn about more details of what happened that night. >> a lot of praise for the sentinel this week.

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