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you can always tweet the show at cnn sit room. please be sure to join us once again monday, right here in "the situation room." until then, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, the breaking news. chaos after britain's shocking vote. stocks plummeting worldwide. what does it mean? and donald trump warns brexit coming to the u.s. and think moment, at least 20 dead in west virginia tonight. nearly 200 people trapped in a mall at this moment. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news, shock waves. britain's stunning decision to break away from europe, creating chaos and panic around the
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world. stocks hammered with the biggest drop in nearly five years. the british pound at its lowest level since 1985. on wall street, the market closing just a short time ago. the dow down 610 points. and on top of that, there are major political implications. the british prime minister, david cameron, announcing he's going to resign. and donald trump predicting that the anger that fueled the so-called brexit is coming right here to the united states. >> they want to take a lot of things back. they want to be able to have a country again. so i think you're going to have this happen more and more. i really believe that. and i think it's happening in the united states. >> and tonight, a very revealing development. some of the most googled questions in the uk since the polls closed last night. what does it mean to leave the eu and what is the eu. that is stunning in and of itself. we are covering this crucial breaking story from every angle. we begin with richard quest in london. and richard, the carnage to
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markets today, worldwide. >> reporter: absolutely. it started in asia, as the results came in, erin. tokyo is down some 8%, hong kong down 3 or 4%. into europe, and at one point, the london off 9%. by the time the day was over, their pared back their losses. you about the uncertainty. this is about certainty. and when you think about -- look at those numbers. how the worry, the nerves, the tensions transmitted themselves, erin, across the atlantic. so you end up with the dow down 3.4. the nasdaq off 4.1%. and here's the real problem. this is a process, this brexit process, is going to last several years. now obviously, there will be an element of clarity about how things move forward. but the truth is, big u.s. companies that have large operations in the united
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kingdom, general motors, ge, ford, caterpillar. they are all going to have to decide, what do they do? how do they expand? what is the effect on their business? >> so all right, thank you very much, richard quest. you're going to be back with me in a couple moments. the big question as richard lays out the market carnage we are seeing around the world, how did this happen? clarissa ward on that for us from london. >> the total number of votes cast in favor of leave was 17,410,742. this means that the uk has voted to leave the european union. >> reporter: britain's historic vote, a seismic event that shook the world. prime minister david cameron, who led the drive to remain in the eu, appeared outside 10 do you think street and said he would resign by october. >> i will do everything i can as
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prime minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months. but i do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination. >> reporter: meantime, the winning side celebrated, one of its leaders, nigel farraj, quick to declare victory. >> done it. its independence day. the ordinary decent people of this country have overturned the establishment, the big banks and the big businesses. we have done it. >> reporter: the leave vote driven by an emotional emergency. its slogan, take back control, appealing to those who feel the country is under siege, from an influx of immigrants coming to britain through the eu's open borders. and donald trump in scotland to tend to golf course business, agreed. >> i think it will be a good thing. you're taking your country back. you're going to let people that you want into your country. and people that you don't want or people that you don't think will go into -- be appropriate
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for your country or good for you're country, you're not going to take. >> a stunning decision in a market that has been shocked. >> this is the worst period i recall since i have been in public service. >> the results stunned the mark markets. britain's currency, the pound, following to its lowest level in more than 30 years. well below the worst of the 2008 financial crisis. germany's angela murder ankle, expressing her deep regret. francois holland saying europe faces immense danger. president obama tried to sound a positive note. but couldn't hide his deep disappointment. >> i believe we are better off in a world in which we are trading and net working and communicating and sharing ideas. but that also means that cultures are colliding, and sometimes it's disruptive. >> reporter: the real question now, erin, is what happens next?
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and the answer is nobody knows, exactly. prime minister david cameron said he would not pull the trigger yet on implementing the article that would start the process of the uk extricating itself. from there, it could take another two years to hash out some kind of a deal. but in the meantime, of course, all these european countries are panicked. the pandora's box has been opened. a new precedent has been set, and that other european countries will now try to reach out and have their own referenda, erin. >> clarissa ward, thank you very much. ruling the bond markets. bill, the true shock about this is that nobody seemed to expect it. >> well, we didn't. we're all slachs, i suppose to the polls. and the polls basically showed that leave would lose.
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it's interesting, though, that there were strong hints before. i mean, there have been hints from the trump phenomenon in the united states, erin. because, you know, trump reflects to a certain extent many of the same phenomena that we're seeing now with brexit and leaving. we're talking about a populist movement. we're talking about anti trade. we're talking about, yes, immigration. to a certain extent. but these are things and concerns that british voters and british citizens were concerned about, and 53-47 shows that, you know, things are changing, like president obama said. a clash of cultures. >> and, you know, alan greenspan says this is the worst he's ever seen since he was in public service. a pretty incredible statement to make. obviously, we saw carnage around the world. now it's going to take, obviously, a long time for this to sort itself out. during that time, incredible uncertainty and possibly the breakup of europe.
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how long will this pain last, bill? >> well, i think it will go on. i don't think it's the worst thing that's happened in years like alan greenspan has said. obviously, there were significant moves in the market today. but, you know, it will take two years for the ufc to leave and to work out new trade arrangements with their european partners. so that will be part of the process. but in the midst of all of that, will be other countries, perhaps france and italy and perhaps, you know, other citizens of countries that feel disadvantaged and have a populist type of attitude. there will be elections, there is one in spain this weekend. and so we're going to see some change rather quickly, but not dramatic to the extent of lehman brothers or capital market crisis. >> and you know what's incredible when you say that, though, for decades, right, it was building towards a unified europe. of and we have all been told that that is a good thing for the world, it has kept the world safer. it is a unified europe, it is not a europe that causes world
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wars. it's just one example. you're saying, obviously, you can see the breakup of europe. other countries leave. but a lot of people are asking, bill, and i think it's a fair question, does it really matter? does it really matter if the uk leaves, if other countries leave, or is this one of those things that the establishment says, worry about it, and they're wrong? >> well, it doesn't matter, and it matters only at the margin, although the uk is a large economy. what i think is most important is that it's -- it's a threat to globalization. president obama made a speech specifically today about globalization. and to this point, for the most part, established interests have said that globalization is very much a positive. the free trade, immigration, et cetera, et cetera. now all of a sudden, you know, the electorate is questioning whether or not globalization is the wave of the future, like it has been for the past 20 or 30 years. and if it's not, the important
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point, if it's not, you know, that leads to slower economic growth and some negatives for capital markets. >> and, you know, a quick follow to get your point here, bill. some periods of time say obviously if trump wins in the u.s. and there there are a lot of similarities between him and britain. what do you think? >> well, you know, i think trump makes some important points. i'm not a republican advocate for trump. but i think his attitude towards trade and tariffs and trade agreements is something that any administration should follow through on going forward. you know, personally, if trump could only stop behaving like an adolescent and more like an adult, some of his ideas could be accepted in the press. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time, as always, bill. >> thank you, erin. richard quest is back with
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me now. and richard, you know, i want to ask you. it's interesting, listening to bill gross. after the significance of this, right in the second-most popular search it term on google in britain is what is the eu and only behind the first one, what happens if we leave the eu. these are the search times after people voted to leave the eu. do they even understand what they're voting for? >> most people had a really good idea of what it was all about. some obviously didn't. but erin, the real story on this is, tonight, how the youngsters are blaming the oldies for voting them out. and that's the word going round, is you have ruined my future. you had your life, and now you have screwed up mine. and because what happened is, all the oldies, people of my generation and older, went out and voted, and most of them -- not more, but a lot tended to vote to leave. the younger generation tended to vote to remain. and there's a lot of -- a huge
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amount of animosity. the second thing that's happening -- this is tonight's london newspaper, "the standard," we're out. the second thing that's happening is buyers' remorse. there are many stories of people now saying, oh, my goodness. what did i just do? i wanted to give them a blood -- y nose. i wanted to give a warning. but what have i done by voting leave? and that's the sort of -- the sort of tensions we're seeing in britain tonight. >> all right, richard quest, thank you. and next, our breaking coverage continues. does the brexit vote mean donald trump is going to win? and why trump thinks brexit is good for his golf course in scotland. >> when the pound goes down, more people are coming to turnberry, frankly. and the breaking news at this hour. these pictures from west virginia. at least 20 people dead, massive flooding in that state tonight. the death toll is rising. we have the very latest. we're going to go on the ground.
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. tonight, donald trump says the united states is next. that's his message after the stunning decision by british voters to ditch the eu. does britain's vote mean a trump victory in november?
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sara murray is "outfront." >> reporter: with scotland's lush hills at his back, donald trump is applauding the uk's decision to turn its back on the european union. >> people want to take their country back. and they want to have independence. >> reporter: trump, sensing parallels today, between the voter angst driving the british it and and the anxieties in the u.s. >> you're going to have more than just, in my opinion, just what happened last night. you're going to have i think many other cases where they want to take their borders back. i think it's happening in the united states. >> reporter: trump even claiming president obama bears some responsibility for the brexit after he pushed for the opposite outcome. >> i actually think his recommendation perhaps caused it to fail. >> reporter: as he argued both obama and hillary clinton are out of touch with american voters -- >> she's always misread everything. the only reason she did it is because obama wanted it. if obama wanted the other way,
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if he said leave, she would have said leave. >> reporter: clinton's campaign fired back. >> he's not concerned with foreign policy, he's not concerned with the american people or their retirement accounts or their security. he is concerned with himself himself, and that's it. >> reporter: trump, who just days ago admitted he didn't spend much time brushing up on the brexit, felt little need to do so with his foreign policy advisers today. >> i've been in touch with them, but there is nothing to talk about. >> reporter: and as trump warned of the threat of immigration. >> people want to see borders. they don't necessarily want people pouring into their country that they don't know who they are and where they come from. >> reporter: vice president joe biden cautioned against politicians playing to people's fears. >> all this provides fertile terrain for reactionary politicians and demagogs,zen phobia, nationalism and isolationism. it has been unamerican what we have been seeing. >> reporter: and from the knife hole of his trump turnberry golf course. >> a lot of people think this
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will be the greatest par 3 anywhere in the world. >> trump defended his unconventional foreign trip. not a single diplomatic meeting on the books. instead, dismissing questions about his rocky relations with leaders like david cameron. the british prime minister, who just today announced his resignation. >> where is david cameron right now? >> reporter: now, erin, today i asked donald trump about the potential negative economic impacts of the brexit on the united states' economy. he brushed aside that question, essentially saying economic experts in the u.s. don't have any idea what is going to happen. but he did point out that the economic turmoil could be beneficial to his properties abroad, like this one trump turnberry. back to you. >> all right, thank you, sara. joining me now, donald trump supporter, caylee mac thenny. steve long gan, spokesman for the super pac who wants a delegate revolt at the republican convention and maria cardona, hillary clinton supporter. thanks to all of you. john, it happened there.
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can it happen here? >> can a similar move that could overwhelm conventional wisdom. look, there is connective tissue between the brexit vote and what donald trump is selling here. america first, britain first, a sense that out of it touch elites alienating the middle class. and sometimes too polite to add muslim, but let's be honest. that's what's motivated much of theeth know nationalism in europe and some of it here. so there are common strains. there is not a similar situation, obviously, to a brexit vote but clearly donald trump hopes this is a wind at his back and he may be able to ride the wave in the white house. >> absolutely. and when you hear, maria, things that donald trump says and things that the leader of the brexit movement says, actually, this is one of most amazing things. so i want everyone to be able to hear for themselves. here we go. >> we will win this war. we will get our country back. >> we can bring our country
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back. bigger and better and stronger than ever before. >> we can vote to get our borders back. >> we're going to have a wall. >> i want us to live under british passports and under the british flag. >> we're going to put america first. and we're going to make america great again. >> that message worked, right? in a sense, what the british vote was about was saying no to the establishment. britain first. are you scared when you hear that? >> i am scared. i think all americans should -- that shaud should scare the bejesus out of all americans, that that kind of xenophobic thinking could just put aside all of our american values. donald trump is trying to do it. he did win in the republican primary, he won the nomination because of that. because he was playing to the fears that john was just talking about existed in britain. but here's the big difference. a general electorate is very different from the electorate that he faced during the republican nomination. the general -- a general electorate is very different
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than, frankly, the electorate that faced the vote from last night. >> but maria, there are a lot of people who say put america first, that people want to put america first, who aren't zone phones and all of these other negative words. >> sure. absolutely. but guess what? it is also an undertone for the muslims that he wants to ban, the 13 -- the 12 million undocumented immigrants that he wants to deport. the wall he wants to build. the mexican and the latinos that he has absolutely, you know, gone forward with divisive rhetoric and has inflamed. those are the voters that, look at this man and are like this is not the america that we want to stand up for. >> seems to call brexit xenophobic. >> the kind of language that people were focused on -- >> we just heard in that sound bite was make america great again. make the united kingdom great again. people are proud of the nation states they live in. have gotten into europe through
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immigration. there is nothing wrong with department of justice data which ted cruz presented this week that said a 580 convicted terrorists in this country, 380 were foreign-born. 40 refugees. there is nothing wrong with vetting people who come into this country, protecting americans -- >> that is not what donald trump is talking about. >> that is exactly what he's talking about, not xenophobic. making america great again is a dog whistle to make america less or more white and less diverse. >> but hasn't donald trump tapped into something very significant? the sentiment frankly, steve, that a lot of people may have underestimated. >> sure did in the uk. >> i find myself agreeing with caylee on this issue. here's where the big disconnect is. the piece of the puzzle missing. there is another major driving force that passed brexit yesterday in england. the drive-by conservatives for more free trade. that opens up england's ability to engage in more free trade agreements. that's really what they want to grow their economy, and they will benefit. but donald trump is --
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constantly opposed free trade. so in there, there is a major disconnect. >> the fact is that -- the fact -- it's not -- >> big gross -- doesn't really matter. >> in terms of what motivated him. behind conservative populism, there is a lot of anger. people tapped into it about the banks, about trade. and the large erfield we're dealing with is frustration with globalization, which causes folks to really get defensive -- their identity being crushed. and that can be not form of cultural resentment or economic resentment. let's not be naive about the underlying anger. because when neil firfer rang says these are the people we need to stop. when all of a sudden you find yourself with a common cause -- you need to own that. and understand the -- >> you don't think this is xenophobic. >> the european is the most undemocratic government on planet earth.
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>> that is because you know in the parliament in europe, members of parliament from england can't propose a bill of any type. >> unappointed bureaucrats. the people of britain don't want to be ruled by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats from belgium. they want their independence. so now america has another sovereign ally overseas in great britain the way it should be. a bunch of wishy-washy europeans. they -- >> one moment. you're all going stay with me. >> they did the right thing. they're calling it independence day in britain for a reason. >> we'll hit pause, and by the way the jury is out on that. they may not be. and may be able to renegotiate a deal in the eu. next, is this what donald trump should be talking about today? >> a brand new sprinkler system, the highest level. many of the holes have been made
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tonight, donald trump celebrating britain's split from the european union, saying the decline of the british pound, which was massive, is good for his business and good for him. in fact, trump spent most of his 15-minute opening speech this morning before he took questions all about brexit. in his speech, he talked about his new golf resort. a clear indication trump is not ready to turn over the reins just to campaign. phil mattingly has tonight's big number. >> i think it's something that is going to be a great tribute to scotland is and also a great tribute to the world of golf. ♪ >> reporter: donald trump landing in scotland as the uk makes history. the presumptive gop nominee
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talking to the press, mostly about his golf course. >> brand-new sprinkler system, the highest level, many of the holes have been jiggered and made even longer and new greens, new everything. >> reporter: his hotel -- >> and the hotel opened about two weeks ago, and it's been amazing. we have had very few complaints, almost no complaints about the rooms. >> reporter: and how the vote that sent shock waves through global markets may actually be a good thing for his business. >> and when the pound goes down, more people are coming to turnberry, frankly? and a candid admission that for trump, there is no separation between his business portfolio and his campaign. >> well, i don't think it matters while i'm running. >> reporter: a position voters appear to disagree with. the latest cnn orc poll showing nearly 70% believe trump should step down from the trump organization. yet for trump, business and campaign success are inexorably linked. nine of his own properties so far this campaign, a tactic
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designed to hammer home the message of the hugely successful billionaire businessman, with properties and products all over the globe. >> you have the water. you have the steaks. you have the wines and all of that. >> reporter: that pitch paying off with voters so far. trump leading clinton by eight points on the question of who would handle the economy better. yet with four bankruptcies and a history of bare-knuckle negotiating tactics, a career that is fertile ground for political opponents. >> he's written a lot of books about business. they all seem to end at chapter 11. >> reporter: clinton's team wasting little time today, launching a new web attack ad hours after trump's remarks in scotland. all an effort to undercut trump's business empire. one he said today he will only cut ties with under one condition. >> if i win, i would -- even though i don't have to do that, i would probably put everything
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in trust. my children will run it along with my executives. >> reporter: and erin, one most of the interesting elements here, how donald trump has reacted to the clinton campaign's attacks. it's worth looking back just four years ago. right at this moment. when the obama campaign and the supported super pacs dumped tens of millions of dollars to mortally wound mitt romney, a heartless businessman. hillary clinton's campaign is more or less following the same exact playbook right now. but trump, he's not apologizing for anything. his point is, look, i w a businessman, i was out to make money. i'm not going to apologize for the success. we'll see if the outcome is different in 2016 than it was in 2012, erin. >> thank you, phil. my panel is back with me. so, you know, the british vote to leave the eu, stocks tank around the world. the prime minister of the uk resigns. and he's talking about his new sprinkler system. >> the first thing he said, this is a great day for england. and he's right about that.
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and then he went, the purpose of this trip was to be there for his son. he said, ten minutes, praising the property that his son, eric trump had built. nothing wrong with that. being a good father. and then proceeded to talk 20 minutes about brexit. because he devoted ten minutes to praising his son, think that's insane. >> totally insane. >> 20 minutes talking about that. >> the eyes of the world are -- >> because the press asked him about brexit. >> the eyes of the world on the republican nominee who is in the united kingdom on a day of massive geopolitical importance. and he gets up and he starts talking for ten minutes about his golf course. and it underscores a degree of collusion between the campaign and his businesses. with about the seriousness of the office. and the big difference between he and mitt romney. whatever you think about mitt romney, he was clearly motivated about service and had a record
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to back it up. donald trump is about self service and that was screamingly apparent this morning. >> that is absolutely not true. he spent ten minutes praising the property he was on and then eric trump was given -- >> he talked about the golf and the sprinkler system and i know it's uncomfortable for you, it's not just about love for his son. it was deeply weird. >> it was not uncomfortable. >> visit some left wing socialist program? that would have made you happy? >> all about big government and the europe union. >> steve -- >> should -- he have stood up -- >> low income housing project in london. >> should he have stood up and commented about this and talked about it and taken the opportunity to say what he wanted to say? >> that's who i am. i'm the guy with the candidates. he has every right to go to europe and talk about brexit. >> it doesn't make -- >> it was a brilliant move on donald trump's part. in the history of the world, no
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businessman has gotten this much free publicity for his business. >> how about you come play golf. >> i'm not denying it -- >> one at a time. >> i'm in the golf business. i want that kind of press. >> to john's point, here's what it underscores. let us not forget that not too many days ago, donald trump was asked by a reporter about brexit. his response, huh? he had no idea what it was. >> that's not -- that's not quite true. >> he went hmmm? and then he said, oh, people should -- >> he said i haven't -- to your point, he said i haven't been paying much attention to it, so i wouldn't really listen to me. but he has been consistent in supporting the movement. a fair way of saying it. >> that should scare us all again, because this is somebody who is auditioning to be commander in chief. you need to be up to speed on the events that are going to cause global activity the way that what happened yesterday. he is clearly -- not just not up
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to speed. but doesn't seem to really care about what these events are and how they affect the american people. >> so hold on. let me just play -- okay. so, again, he's been consistent in supporting the vote that came out today. but to your point, what exactly he said, because i want to give you a chance to explain. here's what he said. >> i don't think anybody should listen to me, because i haven't really focused on it very much. >> there's a reason for that. because -- first of all, as you pointed out, he's been consistent about britain should exit the eu. he didn't want to involve himself in world affairs the way our president did, the way president obama actively went over there and not only told a country what to do, he threatened. he said if you don't vote to remain in this country, you will be last on the list of negotiating trade deals with the united states. and hillary clinton was right there alongside him and the world should wake up, because where hillary clinton wants to take us is exactly where the uk rejected. that has cost them a ton of money, cost them isis individuals being in their country. that is where hispanic hillary
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clinton wants to take us. >> the americans believe she has the best itemment to be commander in chief? >> she doesn't have the judgment. >> she would be a better -- >> talking about the quote there that i think you need to respond to. i haven't been paying a lot of attention. that reflects a degree -- >> let's see this one. >> that was exactly my point. >> in the economy of europe at this point, just not reasonable. and it's not acceptable. he is not going to be that kind of -- >> of course not. neither is donald trump. >> that's not true. he is not going to be the genius. >> trump is a liberal. since the beginning. that's the real problem. and he doesn't know how to engage in free trade. and that's the bigger problem. what's going oh -- by the way, if you want to make money, buy stocks today, they're on sale and book your trip to london this summer. >> are you a travel agent?
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>> what he says is true. when you talk about polls, though, maria, you've got to look at the facts here and you heard phil mattingly report. when it comes to the economy, donald trump is head and shoulders above hillary clinton. so maybe talking about his golf course is not going to hurt him with voters. they're going to say that's right, he's there for his business. a senator -- jason osborne made the point last night. we don't criticize the senator for going back and voting, why do you criticize trump for going back to his golf course. that's the point he made. >> let's go to that. you're right. that is an issue the hillary clinton campaign needs to focus on and they have in terms of the economy. last week, an issue on foreign policy and she went after him on foreign policy, her numbers on foreign policy went up. her numbers on the economy are going to go up, i guarantee you, because americans, what they saw yesterday, is somebody that does not care about the american people and what american families are going through as they were seeing their 401(k)s go down, donald trump was talking about thread counts on an -- in the sheets -- >> it's deeply weird.
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>> in a luxury hotel. >> the argument against donald, he'll be the next president of the united states. >> bad judgment -- she wants to take us for europe. america will reject -- >> she never said she wants to take us -- >> she d. massive regulation. >> pause, and i hope that we can have a reprisal for this entire conversation. thanks to all. next, breaking news. this very bad news from west virginia. 20 people dead tonight from flooding. frantic rescue operations, 200 people trapped inside a mall in the flood. we go to the ground. and trump throwing out an allegation, but then says, well, it wasn't me. don't shoot the messenger. >> there's this doubt. people have doubt. again, this was not my suggestion. i didn't bring this up. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪
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tonight, the trump campaign promising to reveal evidence that shows hillary clinton's private e-mail server was hacked during her time as secretary of state. but when pressed for evidence, the presumptive nominee did not have any. sunlen serfaty is "outfront."
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>> reporter: donald trump asserting with certainty that the private e-mail server hillary clinton used as secretary of state was hacked. >> her server was easily hacked by foreign governments, perhaps even by her financial backers, in communist china. sure they have it. putting all of america and our citizens in danger. >> reporter: there is no conclusive indication clinton's e-mail was ever breached. and when pressed, trump offering no proof to back up his claim. >> what she did is illegal. she shouldn't have had a personal server. >> is there any evidence it was hacked, other than routine phishing attacks? >> somebody heard it -- >> where? >> i will report back to you. >> reporter: this has become a fundamental play in donald trump's playbook, casting himself as just the bearer of bad news. >> there's this doubt. people have doubt. again, this was not my suggestion. i didn't bring this up.
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>> reporter: drudging up things he's heard, pushing them out into the political ether. and when pressed to substantiate the claims he has repeated, his defense, don't shoot the messenger. >> born in canada. >> reporter: it's a crutch trump has leaned on repeatedly at politically opportune times, bringing up old charges about bill clinton, saying he was called a racist. but the proof of that claim he didn't have. >> are you yourself calling him a racist? >> no, he was called that by the obama campaign. he was called it loud and clear. he was extremely insulted. >> why did you put it in your tweet if you don't believe it? >> they said it, i didn't say it. >> reporter: another claim made often on the campaign trail he heard president obama wants to take away americans' guns. >> the president is thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away. you heard this one. >> reporter: but when pressed -- >> i've heard that he wants to. and i heard it on your network.
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somebody said that's what he's thinking about. i didn't say he's signing it. i said that's a tough one to sign, actually. >> reporter: on his chief issue, immigration, trump repeated what he had heard about the number of people who are in the u.s. illeg illegally. >> i'm now hearing it's 30 million, would be 34 million. >> reporter: a number nearly three times larger than current estimates. >> where are you hearing that. >> i'm hearing it from other people and seen it written in various newspapers. >> reporter: while making big claims is nothing completely new for politicians, there is certain a pattern of this coming from donald trump. he capitalizes off the initial rhetoric but when pressed for facts or evidence, he distances himself from having any connection to the origin of the claim. erin? >> thank you very much, sunlen, as always. and next, the breaking news, the death toll climbing. 20 dead tonight, homes swept away in floodwaters throughout the day. a mall under siege right now, 200 people trapped inside. we're going to go to the ground, next.
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breaking news. massive flooding the death toll rising, 20
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people dead, the victims including two young boys swept away, more than 40 counties declaring state of emergency. the video here is dramatic. look at that. burning home, the creek and floods. at this hour, frantic rescue operation under way. hundreds trapped in a mall now, national guard trying to build a temporary bridge. meteorologist allison chinchar joins me. how did this happen so fast? >> let's look at it. flood waters rose 24 feet in 12 hours. 17 feet in six hours, due to all of the rain. we look at the flood threat still going on. the counties that you see are still under flood warning, includes sections of interstate 64 and interstate 79 as well. this is the radar in the past 36 hours. first wave coming in, second wave, third wave. that was the problem. so many waves of rain coming in
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over the same spots. look at the numbers. 9.6 inches in west virginia, white sulphur springs. this was in a short period of time that these occurred. again, this is the widespread from charleston to white sulphur springs. this is the target area here that ended up picking up so much of that rain. the terrain played a huge role. here's that area in the appalachian mountains. you can see this rain coming into the city and the stuff on top of the mountains flowed into the city. in a sense they got a double whammy from both sides. >> let's go to the director of west virginia homeland security. jimmy, let me get to the story developing. hundreds of people stranded at a
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shopping mall in the midst of the flood. what's being done to get them out? are they out? >> our department of transportation working with local authorities has been able to cut an access road into those folks and most of them are getting out. we could walk them out earlier, now that the road is complete, they can drive their cars out, everyone has gotten out. those that are there are there because they're picking up some of their belongings from last night, checking out of hotels and proceeding on. >> jimmy, the death toll, 20 victims, the flood waters came so fast, young children among them, it is a horrible thing. is it under control at this time, are you worried that toll could go higher? >> it is heart wrenching to see what's happened and our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out to victims and families. our concern is we are still accessing a lot of the homes.
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we still have active search and rescue missions going on as we speak. unfortunately we do anticipate that this death toll could go higher. >> it's just horrible. have you seen something like this where this happened so quickly? this really seemed to happen today so quickly this afternoon, these waters surge. >> the terrain in west virginia is very rugged. when you add nine inches of rain in a short period of time in the mountains, it causes waters to come up very rapidly. our first responders did a tremendous job over the last 24 hours trying to get access to a lot of people doing rescues. there will be a lot of heroes that will never be mentioned that come out of this event but they have done a tremendous job getting people, getting to people and getting them to safety. >> jimmy, thank you very much. our thoughts are with you.
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hopefully the death toll will not go higher. obviously people are hoping they will emerge from it safe tonight. thank you, jimmy jeannette. we will be right back. a chance to win a u.s. olympic training center experience and over 1,000 other incredible prizes. visit milklife.com/champions to enter.
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see you back here monday. "ac 360" begins right now. john berman in for anderson. we begin with a brutal wakeup call that millions of americans got this morning. simply put, their retirement savings, for some even their jobs may depend on the historic choice british voters made to leave the european union. that's just the money impact here. for britain it means a new prime minister and perhaps end of the united kingdom as we know it. decades of the european unification after the second world war could be fracturing, means a measure of turmoil, even chaos, where 24 hours ago there was a predictatorable set of rules. now everyone is in uncharted waters. hasn't happened before, not even close. we will hit all of the angles tonight. first, the bottom line here. an ugly