in is cnn breaking news. >> our breaking news on cnn, the deadly terror attack on one of the world's biggest airports. turkey's prime minister said at least 36 people are dead and 147 round wounded at turkey's

ataturk airport. three suicide bombers are dead. they arrive in a taxi, open fire and then blow themselves up. panic as the terrified and some wounded desperately fry to flee the carnage. meanwhile here at home the americans having second thoughts about fourth of july travel plans. and which presidential candidate do they believe will keep us safe? cnn's reporters are covering every angle of our nurse tonight. joe duran is in istanbul. joe, describe the scene for us no >> well, don, it's the street that has now opened, the traffic is flowing. the airport i believe is about to open. we have not heard any flights going out except one an hour ago, and i'm not sure that was a commercial flight. it might have been an official flight. there is less chaos obviously, but it was different a few hours

ago when we first arrived on the scene. there was chaos. there were a lot of passengers making their way out of the airport, walking down the middle of the road with their bags and ambulances going in and out, many ambulances in and out of the airport, don. >> you said right now they are keeping you obviously a distance away. explain to us where you are and if you're seeing any activities at the airports, planes taking off or what. >> we are about 200 meters from the entrance to the airport. the blue sign that you see behind me is the entrance to the airport where you have security policemen there 24 hours a day with machine guns, and beyond that is the terminal where the explosions happened. it is another 300 meters. we, as i said, the traffic has opened, police are now allowing traffic to flow. we don't know the situation at

the airport. we're not close enough. the police are not allowing us to go any further than where we are now. >> and, joe, you spoke to people who were injured in the attack when you arrived on the scene. what did they say? >> well, i was speaking to some of the passengers who were coming out of the -- walking down the street. there were thousands of them. we spoke to some of them. they were in shock. many of them did not want to speak. they just wanted to get out. you also had people going, trying to get to the airport, family members who were obviously very worried, some of them crying, trying to get to the airport, but they were not being allowed in. we did speak to one ambulance driver who told us he had already made two trips inside. he had blood stains on his shirt. he was waiting to go in and attend to more of the injured. >>. >> all right, joe, stand by. i want to bring in ivan watson now. you know this airport well, you traveled through it many times. you know officials there.

walk us through what happened. >> well, according to eyewitnesses, there seemed to have been a succession of blasts. three of them, eyewitnesses are saying, and that seems to match the account that's come from the turkish government that has described at least three attackers, not only armed with what were possibly suicide belts, explosives, but also with kalashnikov assault rifles. the turkish prime minister saying they opened fire first before detonating their explosives, and that caused an increase in the casualties. judging from the footage that has come out, it looks like there was damage on two levels of the international terminal. you've got the departures hall on the second floor and there's clearly damage inside that building as a result of some kind of a blast. and then on the arrivals hall

there was damage certainly outside the building where the taxi lines would be, that something took place there. and then the turkish government says that a third attacker carried out some kind of explosion, some kind of blast out in the parking lot. all of these attacks of course adding up to a deadly mass casualty attack. >> so if it is suspected that this is isis and that's just what they believe right now, ivan, why doesn't isis claim responsibility for the attack? >> reporter: we don't know. we simply don't know. but if it was isis, as the turkish government has already suggested, it would have been the third attack this year, don, in istanbul believed to have been carried out by isis. the previous two attacks in january and in march were both suicide bomb attacks that targeted foreign tourists walking around istanbul, looking

at its quite spectacular tourist attractions. but this a much more coordinated attack. it looks like a wave of bombs are, and that is how perhaps at least one of the attackers might have gotten into the airport itself past some of the security guards that stand at the entrances to the airports, past some of the metal detectors and x-ray machines in a people have to go through to get into the building itself. >> ivan, you've been in this airport countless times. as we were listening to joe duran, he talked about the security economic point and what had you to do to get into this airport. describe for us what it is like when you go to this airport. >> first when you're driving in, there's a gate that joe's standing in front of that has police with submachine guns and they can stop cars, they can check identities and search the cars, though most of the traffic is waved through. and then you drive up to the

entrances of the arrivals or departures halls and there you get out of your car and walk up and then immediately you at the entrance, there are doors that open up and that's where there are police and security guards and metal detectors and x-ray machines that you have to take your belt off and do the whole kind of nine yards just to get into the building. beyond the passport patrol and checkout procedures, then you have another ring of similar guards to get to the departure gate. there are a lot of rings of security here. despite that, you had what appeared to have been supicide attackers determined to cause mayhem and as much loss of life as possible an attack on the most important gate way to turkey, to its native city, to a member of the nato alliance and

is coming at a time when turkey's tourism industry which used to be booming is on its knees because turkey is dealing with isis and kurdish militants who are carrying out attacks mostly on security forces. it add up to a very grim picture. my turkish friends, my foreign friends in istanbul have been living with dread, don, for months as a result of these attacks and the political polarization in the country. just last weekend you had riot police tear gassing activists trying to come out in the streets for an lgbt parade that the government cancelled, all of this in a country that was promoted as a model to the muslim word, a model democracy four, five years ago. >> i want to bring elise labott

in. what are u.s. officials saying tonight? >> as ivan said, no claim of responsibility but the feeling of u.s. officials is that these attacks bear the hallmarks of isis because of the coordination of the suicide bombers, the three suicide bombers and using these sophisticated assault rifles and then the suicide bombs, this bears the hallmark of isis. it also does not bear the m.o. of these kurd ish separatists, pkk. we've been talking about they typically target military installations, security-type targets. there are kurdish groups that are partners with the united states and other western nations and other arab nations in the conflict in syria. and so they aren't seen as -- the pkk is not seen as a group that would want to really target international civilians, don. >> so, elise, there was a travel

warning in place for americans in turkey. tell us about the timing of that. >> there's been a longstanding warning in traveling the whole country in turkey. but just yesterday the state department issued a new warning telling american citizens do not travel to southeastern turkey on the border with syria, a lot of concerns about that border area. so much so that they've restricted in recent months the travel of u.s. diplomats in the area, they've sent the families of u.s. diplomats out of that area so a lot of concern about that southeast border area. tonight they are warning americans throughout istanbul and turkey to really be alert, be on alert for your surroundings and tighten your security, don. >> elise labott and ivan watson, thank you very. i want to bring in a witness to the attack, thomas kemper, he's on the board of global

ministries and was en route to a mission trip to japan. he joins us by phone. considering what happened, many thanks for joining us this evening. we're glad you're safe. you were in the turkish airlines lounge. tell us what you heard. >> yes, thank you. i was in the lounge when i heard the bomb and it had to be something bigger. it was really loud and people started running in all directions and i just ran with them. but then there was another thing people were coming in our direction so it was total chaos, tripping over each other and people were trying to find a place to hide, which was really scared because people were desperate to find a place they would not be found. >> was there any guidance from police or was it chaos? >> no, that was chaos.

i ran into the kitchen into the lounge with somebody from china, we couldn't talk. we didn't have joint language but we're trying to hide there and the children were just crying and screaming. it was a terrifying time. for at least a half an hour, it was terrifying. i'm german and i found some people who talked german. >> did you finally leave through the arrivals area? >> yeah, we were there but many hours later, we were just guided and walked and walked and arrived through the arrival hall and saw the blood and all that was destroyed but they had tried to cover it up a little bit but that was probably the only way out because we were right in the international terminal. >> i understand that people were so frightened and so confused, it was so chaotic, they were trying to break windows in order to get out of the airport?

>> yeah. we had some people they were so scared, they started to try to get out of the windows from the turkish airlines lounge but of course the glass was too heavy and they didn't succeed and they didn't want to draw much attention. it was just sort of desperation in that moment. i have never experienced such a panic from so many people from so many different nations. it was very terrifying. >> were there any procedures after that? you were traveling at an international airport. did you need a passport or you just went out the arrivals area and kept going? >> no, they were very strict with the passport. that's why it took so many hours to get everybody out. you had to really show your passport. i was sitting next to a young woman who was in a hijab and veil and she cried so much and i just started talking to her and she spoke some broken english

and she said she was in istanbul and she hadn't brought her passport to the airport and they weren't letting her out. without passport, you couldn't go anywhere. >> what's going through your head at this moment? >> you know, i was so -- i met this young muslim woman here from turkey. i was on a crowded bus. i was sitting more or less sitting on each other's lap and with the luggage and everything with a family from somalia, who lived in holland who was going to visit their relatives in mogadishu and then get stuck in something like this here. i really felt strongly about our shared humanity. and most of the people who are really victims of this are muslims and they are suffering as much as anybody else, if we can only find a way to reach out to those muslims and create a

common culture of peace and understanding, i still believe it. and being in that room in the lounge with all these people, so different people and they all have the same wish for life and happiness for their families. i think we need to get better in reaching out and being one family. >> thomas kemper was at the airport when it happened. thank you. glad you're safe. >> when we come back, much more on our deadly attack tonight at istanbul's airport. i formed many connections with the residents. i feel like i am part of their family and they're part of mine. if you can get up in the morning, ya know, shake the dust and go up there and make somebody happy, when i go to sleep, i did my job.

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our breaking news tonight, three suicide bombers attacking one of the world's biggest airports in istanbul, killing 36 and wounding at least 147. i want to bring in juliette kayyem, michael weiss, buck

sexton, elise labott and lieutenant colonel rick francona. >> this is the main conduit for many of the fighters to come from the front. they go down to istanbul. by drawing attention, i think they may have stepped on it here. i'm sure it's isis given the methodology here but i question their selection of target. >> if there was isis, does it reveal anything about their strength around the world and ability to inflict a lot of damage, michael weiss? >> there are about half a dozen attacks in 2015 that i counted, put it in the book. the interesting thing about them is that most of them, bar one actually, all of them bar one, were against pkk-aligned targets inside target. pkk is handing it to isis on the

ground in northern syria backed by u.s. and special forces on the ground but, number two, isis is geo politically staffy. president erdowan's policy was to combat terror and hitting pkk targets in turkey will lead to what? not an uprise in antipathy gets kurds in isis, which they have got, but an uprise in antipathy against the turkish government. they are looking to drive a wedge against the turkish political cabinet and they did. there was a pkk aligned kurdish

party did quite well in regional elections. isis is trying to essentially tear turkish society apart. >> and drive a wedge. >> juliette, this is a major attack against a major airport. this airport when we talked to officials after what happened in brussels, they said there should be a layer of security outside. i remember mary schiavo saying that very clearly. many places have security layers on the outside, where you have to check your luggage on the outside, you get screened before going into the airport. do you think we're going to start seeing changes after this attack? >> after any of these attacks, this airport made changes after brussels in terms of the security before you enter. some of your eyewitnesses have been talking about that today. but here is the challenge. and it's just the simple "triumph" truth

of the way people move in this day and age. even if you create more security at this point rather than that point, the next place is going to be soft. you're always going to have a choke hold because people are going to be moving in and out of these multi-national, huge airports that service millions of people a year. and so, you know, this idea that we can get airport security perfect is just a fiction. it's the nature of travel today that it's always going to be a soft target. it's not fatalistic, it is just simply -- if you put too much of a security apparatus on, you're not going to have the movement of people that makes istanbul such an amazing place. that's the tragedy of today. turkey is an experiment, not perfect certainly by any stretch of the imagination, but this idea that merged europe with the

middle east and ataturk, if it is isis, wanted to make a statement about that. >> it is still unclear if any americans were killed or injured in this attack. if we find out americans were harmed, will it affect u.s. in this investigation? >> it will make a difference. right now we've been seeing a steady stream of these mass casualties attacks happening to allies. if we have a mass casualty on u.s. soil that is in any way planned by u.s. affiliates. it's already started to happen.

there are small numbers of u.s. troops there but the presence in iraq will get much larger. that's where i think this is all heading. in the meantime, there's only so much we can really do, we live in a society society. it's really just a question of taking the steps that you can to make it harder for the terrorist to be able to pull off an attack with mass casualties. you're trying to limit casualties, once they get to a point like this where they're armed and have explosives, they're going to kill large numbers of people, even it if you have good security in place. >> thank you. up next, hillary clinton and donald trump both reacting to the istanbul attack tonight. their statements couldn't be more different. ♪ ♪

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airport where the terrorist attack took place. donald trump spoke out earlier tonight. i want you to listen how he addressed this terror attack. >> we can't do waterboarding but they can do chopping off heads, drowning people in steel cage, they can do whatever they want to do. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. >> so, carl, donald trump would have talked about radical islam in the past. he never mentioned the word muslim in his speech. are you surprised by that? >> not surprised because we talked about it last night where they got rid of corey lewandowski, this is presidential donald trump ready to take on hillary clinton in the presidential boxing ring, not the street fighting. >> are you surprised by this?

>> his immediate aftermath was the new donald trump, it was very controlled, it was a couple of constrained tweets. what we heard was the classic donald trump, that we should all be on the same page what is the terrorists are doing. >> hillary clinton released a statement saying the attacks only strengthens our resolve to defeat forces of radical jihadism and cannot retreat. >> i think it gives a huge contrast to what donald trump is talking about. i think voters want somebody who is thoughtful, somebody who is knowledgeable, somebody who understands the nuances of our place in this global world where we cannot retreat. we are 5% of the world's population and in order to fight terrorism, we have to engage our allies and partners overseas and

around the world to help us do that. i think voters understand that. you also saw in hillary clinton's statement today other things that were in huge contrast to what donald trump said or didn't say. she talked about nato. she talked about how this attack was on turkey one of our close e nato allies. she talked about, again, having to understand that we have to bring in our allies and our partners in the middle east closer so that we can work hand in hand with them. these are things that donald trump never talks about. that's why you have hillary clinton now really rising in terms of who people trust on the issue of terrorism. >> go ahead, carl. >> donald trump doesn't talk about that because it doesn't work. engaging our allies, look, jordan went on a campaign when they burned their pilot and it did nothing. we can't rely on our allies. hillary clinton i don't think is going to recruit the assets d

domestically to do this. >> this was a point where people believed donald trump was better than hillary clinton on terror. but now 50% for clinton and donald trump 39%. the gap has widened sense the orlando attack. kevin? >> trump can't appeal to a voters on a resumé of experience because he doesn't have any. he appeals on very quickly defining it as terrorism and offering people a blanket promise that he's going to confront terrorism. it's a perfect study in contrast between two candidates. hillary clinton is calculating her appeal is going to be on

this idea of being of a stronger temperament and the need for cooperation among allies. that's speaking to her resumé as secretary of state. but do i think that is one of the problems that hillary clinton continues to face, this idea that she's being calculating or very cautious at a time where the american people are frightened or have a heightened sense of awareness about terrorism, donald trump's appeal here and the way he's going to be able to i think seize this issue to his advantage is that clarity and strength at a time where people are really worried. >> go ahead, phillip. >> it's worth noting in the post/abc poll, people were more concerned about terrorism and still preferred hillary clinton by about 11 points. >> everybody stay with me. when we come right back, mch mo -- much more on our breaking news tonight, the deadly attack at istanb

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our breaking news tonight, at least 36 people dead in the terror attack on one of the world's busiest airports.

back with me philip bump, maria cardona, carl higbie, kevin madden. >> i want to play a clip of donald trump. >> there's something going on that's really, really bad. we better get smart and tough or we're not going to have a country left. it's bad. >> based on what you heard, philip, what would a donald trump do as president? >> it's hard to say. donald trump takes positions and switches his position with some regularity. the argument he's trying to make is i'm going to be tough. clearly the case he's trying to make is all these other guys are setting back doing nothing, i'm going to go in and knock heads together. i think there are valid concerns about whether or not that can be done or should be done. i'm sure we'll heard from the other people on the panel --

>> do you think that's reflected in the poll numbers? unless the poll numbers are in your favor, everyone says they're tainted, they're bad numbers. if these numbers were in his favor, his supporters would not be saying this was a terrible poll. >> donald trump has defied of single poll -- >> sort of true. except he was leading at the beginning of the polls -- >> but he started at t off at t bottom and you talk about the polls where it says donald trump is more able to handle terrorism. as a soldier, i don't want hillary clinton -- >> i respect you for your service but it's not just combat soldiers that are voting. this is everyone voting. >> you're right. >> here's what i think donald trump's biggest challenge is. he is speaking to the strain of republican voters who want to

see somebody who is tough, is strong, who is not going to take it anymore. he is playing the role of macho and it has work for him so far. i think it has run its course. why? here comes the issue about nuance. voters have seen the difference between donald trump and hillary clinton in the wake of the orlando massacre. they give her much hyper marks in terms of how she responded to that, the way she responded versus donald trump to brexit, the way they are both responding to what happened right now. she is able to offer a calm, steady, nuanced but very specific plan on how she's going to handle terrorism and when it comes to -- >> let me interject here. >> when it comes to the temperament for being a commander in chief, heads and shoulders above the rest. >> and it came out in the report

today about benghazi, do you think this is going to have any effect on whether people think she has the temperament to be a commander? >> the benghazi report i don't think will because it absolutely says nothing than what the dozens of other investigations and reports that have come out have said, which is that they have found absolutely no wrong doing, zero coverup, yes, there were failures which she has responded to, she has taken responsible for and implemented the 29 recommendations from her own accountability review board that was done by outsiders and experts in this field and that is baked in already, don. >> i want to hear about that, quickly. i want to hear from the trump supporter and, kevin, i promise i'll let you get in. watching this report today, this was before the terror attack, that was going to be the lead story on the news. what do you have to say to what she says? do you think it's going to affect her at all?

>> i think the benghazi report -- we were talking about it a little bit earlier, i think the republicans dug really deep into it, we got a few things out of it, it's time to move on. she didn't do criminal as were found by this. but the talking point that comes out of that entire benghazi, who do you want looking over your back if you're out there? >> you heard it from a donald trump supporter. >> i'm surprised by that answer. the benghazi report undermines the arguments that hillary clinton has made about judgment and it underscores the concerns people have about her being trustworthy and honest. what hillary clinton and the white house and others were saying publicly did not square about some the concerns they had privately and what they knew to be some of the intelligence they were getting back about the fact it was a terrorist attack. in that case it actually hurts. one of the things about donald

trump on this is his appeal on some of these national security foreign policy issues, it not about policy for them. for the people that care most about donald trump and what he's offering on this, what they care about is that muscular rhetoric and the sense of clarity. the question is whether or not the people in the middle, the persuadable voters, are going to take a look at resumé and experience and clarity and which way they're going to go. >> i can bet they're going to take a look at the latter. >> maria is absolutely right. all of the attitudes about the benghazi report are baked in october when hillary clinton went to testify before him. >> are you surprised when he says move on? >> him? >> carl. >> yeah. >> 50% of trump supporters said she intentionally let it happen. >> i don't think he intentionally let it happen but i don't think she did anything to save them. >> kevin, you might disagree

with that a bit but fascinating conversation. >> let's look at what the american voters are saying. right now they're trusting her more or terrorism and who gets to be commander in chief. >> kevin, last word. >> there a lot of grass roots republicans who don't want it and it should be the central part of any national security debate. >> thank you everyone. when we come back, much more on our breaking news, the deadly terror attack tonight and what the next commander in chief will have to do to fight terror. what are you..? shh! i'm live tweeting. oh, boy. birds eye. so veggie good. wannwith sodastream®er? you turn plain water into sparkling water in seconds. and because it's so delicious, you'll drink 43% more water every day. sodastream®. love your water.

back with me now. political commenter and former cia analyst. and michael weiss. the co-author of isis, inside the arm aef of terror. a reminder to americans about terror groups, constant threat here. donald trump is saying he is calling for a ban on travel with countries to terror link. hillary clinton is wanting closer ties with allies. we've been debating and discussing which one works better. which -- do any of them work

better? >> travel to country with terror ties or stabbing immigration. >> he is saying travel from countries meaning immigration with terror ties. >> that encompasses, he is obviously referring to islamic jihadism, it encompasses the u.k., spain, germany, france, where there have been acts of terror, not necessarily done by al qaeda or isis. separatist parties and so on, the ira and ireland. i have a piece coming out on the daily beast in a few minutes that counted up the number of fbi cases investigated on u.s. soil of jihadist isis members or those who pledge looking to strike on the american home land. every single one was born in this country. they are a first generation, muslim american, their parents came over or in some cases and quite a few lately, they're white people who converted to islam. nothing donald trump has

suggested will stop that. i met with fbi agents today, in fact, federal plaza here in new york, and three special agents nd and i asked them, is a ban on immigration from countries with a history of islamic terrorism going to make their lives easier. they shook their heads and said no. >> what do i think about the idea? >> do you think, do you agree with that? as a former cia analyst? >> there adistinctions made all of the time. >> they're one of the allies. >> there are does distinctions made all of the time on who is on a visa waiver company and distinctions made on immigration law and have been for a long time about ideology. there was a time period, still to this day, you have to pledge to the united states constitution. the tests have existed for a long time and continue to exist. some countries are treated differently than others in the immigration process through visas or permanent immigration process.

the trump campaign, this keeps changing. it is a moving target. i don't think they're suggesting this will stop all terrorist attacks. there are home grown radicalism. people who convert, judaism is an ideology, not a race or ethnicity. to borrow from hillary, if you can stop one attack, i think that is, at least, that is the way that they're trying to approach this to say that we need to do something about this and this is not going to stop all of it but if it stops one, are we willing to tighten up on this issue. that is not necessarily -- >> let me jump in. we've been talking about gun control, right, about due process and what have you. to michael's point and your point, a lot of this is home grown terror. he is suggesting that we bring back water boarding. are we going to water board american citizens in this country? >> i would borrow from former senior colleagues of mine in the cia who will tell you i think now that if the next president

wants anybody water boarded, the president will have to do it himself or herself. no way that anyone will take the heat on that and i think right now the american people wouldn't stand behind it. >> leaving aside the morality of having this blanket prescription on one group of people or one of the practicers of one faith being disallowed to come to the united states, from a practicgm point of view, this plays into isis. the land of disbelief and the land of islam, america, western democracy, secular, the muslims have no place there. and the only place they have is to conduct terror, such as brussels, such as orlando. the second point of view is look, i want people from the middle east who want to come to this country. i want to recruit them as spies. i mean, you're cia. these are the people you need to collect human intelligence whether it is in our own

communities here or if we'll send them back to syria or iraq to gather information on not just isis and al qaeda but the next -- >> that sounds like at the hillary clinton approach. >> broadly speaking, i tend to agree more with her than mr. trump for sure. and it is the david petraeus approach, the brennan approach. there is a consensus within the security establishment that we need to rely on arabs and muslims to help us collect the information and intelligence to make america safer. >> saying we need to strengthen relationships with allies is a plattetude that doesn't get us anywhere because the consensus is so strong that anybody who spends five minutes on the issue at any level of government already knows, of course we have to work with allies and should be recruiting people from inside of these communities, the question then becomes one of a number's game. where are the majority of major terrorist attacks coming from. we talked about some that are home grown, others coming from

people from certain countries. some might need additional scrutiny in the immigration process. there are some countries that we can come to the u.s., stay for 90 days. no questions asked. others have to go through a longer process. i think the trump campaign needs more than they deserve. but the clinton is telling us what we've been hearing for decades. the entire of the post 9/11 world. it is not stopping mass casualties attacks. and it is not enough and we are one very bad day away from the collaborative clinton approach on this stuff not being the case anymore. >> home grown radicalization is not just a problem for the united states. it is a problem as we've seen in france, belgium, great britain, germany, spain, other countries. what is going to stop people who were born in those countries from coming to the united states under this blanket prescription if we're only barring people from syria turkey, jordan, iraq,

here is the thing. the jihadi john was a native son of britain. could he come over under this plan? why not? he is not britain we don't consider a country racked by islamic terrorists or any other form of terrorism. >> thank you, we'll be right back. ants sloppy joe on the menu every day. rosie's my best friend. evelyn likes to dance. harriett wants her fried shrimp as well. alice anne likes vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup and rainbow sprinkles. they give me so much back. i can't even imagine how i could possibly give them what they give me.

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tomorrow night. cnn's live coverage of the terror attack in istanbul continues with john vos in london and amara walker in los angeles. good night. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. i'm amara walker in los angeles. >> i'm john vause in london. you're watching the breaking news coverage at the airport in istanbul. >> turkey's government says 36 people are dead. 147 people wounded. the video of the attack is graphic and some viewers will find it disturbing. a surveillance camera at the airport captured the moment one of the three bombs exploded and you can see there are people just running for their lives before the blast, then debris falls from the ceiling as the area starts to fill with smoke. now, another camera captured wh