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>> this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa. >> the man accused of murdering 13 people. >> why do they hate us? >> what did we do to the islamic world? >> americans are asking why do they hate us? >> emphasis on the last word. us. why do islamic terrorists hate americans? 15 years after 9/11, we are no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> so what are you waiting for? you can go to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle. >> who are they?
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how many? are they multiplying in a new deadly form? >> tomorrow will be washington. it will be new york. it is coming. >> inside schools. young children are being taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country. terrorism is front and center. >> that pefear paved the way foa new voice in the country. >> the next president of the united states! >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut
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down of muslims entering the united states until the representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. it's going to get worse and worse. you will have more world trade centers. it will get worse and worse, folks. >> trump's message led some americans to say who cares why they hate us. we hate them. >> who is bombing buildings and airplanes? it's not the christians or the jewishes. it's not the jewish. it's the muslims. >> we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> they are not going to be happy until they take over the country. we have to be under sha ria law. i am not going to bow down to them. >> with fear turning to hate,
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they need answers. it's a matter of live and death. >> when you ask a scholar, he makes an important distinction. >> why do they hate us? >> if they are muslims, they don't hate us. they are a small group of extreme radicals. that's an entirely different question. >> it comes from the small group of extreme radicals. >> how can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the war against islam and muslims. >> no one scares officials more. >> wanted dead or alive. >> also helps plan attacks on the united states.
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>> we are facing you with men who love death like you love life. >> he is an american born in new mexico. educated in colorado state university. how influential is he? the boston marathon bomber wrote about his teachings as he lay bleeding in a back yard boat. one of the san bernardino killers, the husband watched the video sermons for years. >> what we know now, the deadliest shooting now at an american military base. >> then the psychiatrist who murdered 13 americans at ft. hood in texas. hasan e-mailed about his plans. the under wear bomber tried to
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blow a plane out of the sky over detroit under orders from him and orlando killer omar mateen appears to have been swayed by him after watching his sermons on the internet. but here is the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the 9/11 terror attacks, he was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capital. he was answered such a perfect role model, an imam, that "the washington post" did a story about him. >> there is always this association between islam and terrorism. when that is not true at all. it's a religion of peace. >> gradually it is possible to see the beginnings of his
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disenchantment. >> hatred is something that comes out of nowhere. there are reasons. the fact that the u.s. has administered the death and homicide of over one million civilians in iraq. >> no one seems certain when he became a full-fledged jihadi. one thing is clear. he was a scholar of islam yet never cites religion when speaking about why he hates us. >> over here. >> his reasons are about american foreign policy. the so-called war against islam that jihadis always speak on. the fbi began to monitor our life. it became a top leader of al
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qaeda. >> is it at least as big of a threat as bin laden? >> probably the biggest threat on land. >> one important fact that i have not mentioned. he is dead. it was an american drone strike in 2011. here's the most frightening fact. he is still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror happened after his death. the san bernardino killings. the boston marathon bombings and the worst mass shooting in american history, the orlando nightclub murders. he is on the internet right now, literally thousands of his videos are just a click away. >> you remember the good old days when americans were enjoying the blessings of security of peace.
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>> the man is dead, the message is not. yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. the united states has for better or worse waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in the world of islam must lie somewhere else. somewhere deeper. some say it comes directly from the koran. is the muslim holy book being distorted? >> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam, 72 virgins. is that true? >> what exactly does the koran promise martyrs? when we come back. going to clean better than a manual.
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religion? ask a critic of islam and then ask an honest muslim reformer, you will get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it's time to stop saying this is not about islam. isis is uber islamic. uber islamic. it's time it is said. >> the next time a bombing or beheading occurs and got knows it will, the first thing you hear is no, no, don't misunderstand. islam has nothing to do with this. that is not true. most of the people doing these bombings and beheadings say they are doing it in the name of allah and cite verses from the koran. >> the controversial question triggered a shouting match on
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bill maher's program. >> we have to criticize bad ideas. >> of course. >> why is this a mother lode of bad ideas? >> we have more than a billion people who are fanatical who want to go to the score and get sandwiches. >> wait, wait, wait. >> wait a second. you are paying the whole religion. >> let's get down to who has the right answer. a billion people, you say. all these billion people don't hold these beliefs? >> we come back to the point about the numbers, but let's look at the text. the koran does contain verses that encourage intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of stone.
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look at the bible. if a man has sex with another man, kill them both. both holy books have passages recommending murder for nonbelievers. this verse in the koran is the that isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. therefore strike off their heads. >> the same belief that guides isis appears in the bible in dude ron me, they are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in the koran. >> islam is being manipulated. it is being used. >> she points to one colorful example of manipulation in a famous koranic story.
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>> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam. 72 virgins. is that true? >> it is not true. >> she said that several scholars studying the original text came to a startling realization. >> nowhere in the koran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. what it promises as far as heaven goes is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated. the original word that was used in the koran was the word for raisin. not virgin. in other words, martins would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisins. imagine the surprise of the terrorists who expected something completely different.
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the story illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas, but it reflecting a growing new reality. the jihadis who carry out violent attacks often know little about islam. >> in many cases they are petty criminals or dropouts or unemployed and in many cases they are drug users. they have no religious training whatsoever. >> it's not better than me. maybe you have studied. >> they are ignorant of religion and they latch on to radical islam as a way to act out alienation. >> these isis killers fit the profile partying at a high end nightclub in brussels. he was the mastermind of the paris attacks and he blew himself up in paris. it is easier to brain wash
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recruit who is are not religious. the former mad cal told the new yorker, having no background in islam is an advantage. they are trying to stop the revutment by stopping all inside. >> they have the wrong material. they have the elements for a change. >> there is another famous story. a father's two sons convert to christianity and leave home. he asks the father to bring him back and he said there is no compulsion in religion. >> the book can't speak. it is we muslim who is speak on its behalf. there is i beautiful passage in the koran, one of many, that states god does not change the
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continue of a people until they change what is inside themselves. to those who say you are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say yes and so are you by not loving the freedom loving verses of the koran. >> the question remains, why is an intolerant and violent interpretation of the religion flourishing in important parts of the world? it all starts with an american pop song.
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>> figuring out exactly what turned this couple into mass murderers. >> the wife in the san bernardino terrorist attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized. >> we asked how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own in a twisted act of martyrdom? there is a way to understand this. you can draw a straight line
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direct low to the roots of mode modern radical islam. let me explain going back to the beginning of the story. bizarre as it may sound, today's islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1949. the place was greeley, colorado. baby, it's cold outside was p y playing at a church dance. an egyptian student happened to stop in. he was a deeply conservative muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of the animal-like mixing of the sexes and lips met lips, chests met chests. the worst sight of all was the
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out line of women's breasts in tight sweaters. his essay about his time here, the america i have seen bill a sensation in the arab world. he hated everything about american culture. hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> he was tearified. they are narrow and they are racist and recented the way women and men interacted and recented a nature american materialism. >> he was a fierce critic of government that was trying to westernize economy, societies and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism with the leading nation in the world, the united
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states. he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of the egyptian president. he had become a rock star with budding radicals. even as they were jailing and torturing his followers. >> we are muslim who believe in their religion. >> thus in the jails of egypt and other arab tyrannies was born al qaeda. he was revered by osama bin laden and the current head of al qae qaeda, al zarqawi. radical islam explodes in 1979. in iran there was revolution.
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enraged by the rule of the american-backed shaw, popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american embassy. for 444 days, the united states watched helplessly as americans were held hostage. >> there are indication that is a large number of muslims -- >> at the same time november 1979, cataclism in saudi arabia. the take over of the grand mosque in mecca, islam's holiest site. it was stormed by insurgeents demanding the overthrow of the american-backed saudi king. these effects were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals.
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they had taken control of iran. and in saudi arabia the monarchy makes a fateful decision. it decides to appease the ultra conservative clergy who preach a puritan cal and intolerant interpretation of islam giving them free to spread their poisonous world view to other countries. >> it's hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on the planet that hasn't been touched by the ideology. >> remember saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world muslims. the muslim world. >> the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam.
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but look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in saudi islam. the former imam of the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis, he said. she share their ideology and we expressed in a more refined way. >> that are ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia. from the mosques. >> remember 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia. so did osama bin laden. more person who was from saudi arabia. the wife in the san bernardino killings. >> she came from pakistan and later moved to saudi arabia. >> malik lived in saudi arabia and pakistan. to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully
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exported ideology? pakistan. the saudi funded mosques preach a message like the saudi ideology. the san bernardino killer is a product of radical islam globalized by saudi money. and one more visitor to saudi arabia, the orlando shooter, omar mateen. he went there twice. up next, a crucial question. when we asked why they hate us, how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right, when we return. ♪ bud light party here to discuss equal pay. women don't get paid as much as men and that is wrong. and we have to pay more for the same stuff. what?
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>> if you believed everything you heard about islam on news channels, you would have good reason to be afraid. >> we need to kill them. >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are we talking about. the world has 1.6 billion muslims. >> 300 million people who are ready to blow us to smithereens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can they really be true? donald trump offers higher percentages. >> 27 to 35% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace just told the front-runner the fact. >> according to the best experts and think tanks, they said at
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most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right, trump is wrong. scholars and experts agree. the number of jihadis is somewhere between 100 and 200,000 and not hundreds of millions. how did they come up with the results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. that works out to around 1/100 of 1% of muslims around the world. despite the consensus, the myth persists. >> 253 million muslims? >> why don't you take a look at the poll that came out recently. >> we did take a look and couldn't find any poll by pew that brought any relation to trump's claims.
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they sent us a statement that said it has not issued a survey saying that 27% of muslims would go to war with the united states nor asked a question of muslims about going to war. there are some pew polls that are troubling. let's look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims who want sharia as the law of the land told pew they favor stoning as punishment for adultery and 86% favor the death penalty for those who leave islam. >> we may be appalled boy certain regressive beliefs, but they are just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims
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believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> he responds with an analogy from america. >> the christians at the westboro baptist church believe that god hates homosexuals and as a result of that belief, they picket the burial ceremonies of american soldiers who die overseas. now, christians in the united states also believe that homosexuality is a sin. they share that belief with the westboro baptist church, but they would never share in the actions. by bill maher's logic, those two
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groups are essentially the same because they share one fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway like the book of mormon, it is unthinkable to have. >> the hit broadway musical, the salt lake city-based religion. >> what are do they do? they took out ads for mormonism in the program. that's an adorable response. no one produced that play who lost any sleep or whether they might be killed or be hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons. that is what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this i certainly agree with harris. and yet there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing muslims.
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fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. this time the immigrants are muslims from yemen, bangladesh and bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first sea in america run by muslim-americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had significant for that community and the country. >> more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes going on. so i'm leaving. >> church bells collide with the call to prayer. restaurants cater to separate groups. different cultures living side
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by side. there have been rough spots, but they have begun to make their new reality and new government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag -- >> we have a great possibility to solve problems. >> then the call started coming in from the rest of america. >> we are coming from the muslims who try to bring sharia law. people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in america. >> many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i'm not saying to hate them. i'm saying we don't need them here. >> by the grace of god it will not dominate texas! >> sharia law has never been established in any city in america. no one wants it less than the
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muslim americans here. >> we don't believe in that. we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think you would follow it here? i don't think so. >> community activist said his family fled yemen in search of the things all americans want. >> for a better and security and a better future. that's all we came here for. we carry the american flag wherever we go. >> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds. >> look at this man. he came to america from pakistan at age 16. penniless. he is a billionaire today in the most american way possible.
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he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host dr. oz, a first generation turkish-american. the list goes on. middle eastern scholar said it's a list you won't find in many other western countries. >> how many people on french television, how many people with elite roles in french business are the children or the grandchildren? the united states. we have people who are barons in industry and important in the media and whose faces look different than ordinary white americans. yourself, for example. there are very few faces on french television. >> as for all the fears americans have of sharia law and muslims as terrorists, they are part low rooted in this
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fact. >> 1% of the population of america is muslim. most americans don't know any muslims, and so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam. it becomes very easy to conflate that with mainstream everyday islam. we would never make that mistake when we are confronted with extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of christianity because we live in a country that's 70% christian. we are tribal ultimately. we are much more likely to forgive the extremes within our own tribe than we are the extremes in other people's tribes. >> back in michigan, more than 20 different languages are spoken in the halls of the high school. and there are cultural differences that have to be navigated, like that most american of traditions, the prom.
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>> not many girls are allowed to attend the traditional prom with boys. >> so one teacher had a solution. >> once i got it, i thought, oh, yeah. this is going to be awesome. >> there is still a traditional prom at hamtramck high, but now there is also one with no boys. >> you can let your hair down and wear dresses and actually go and have fun, dance around, knowing there are no boys there. >> you have certain rules from your family, from education, from everywhere. you can do. but when you go there, you are like a free bird. you can do anything. a bird doesn't have any limitation. up next, my thoughts on why they hate us. your dentures seem to fit fine when you first put them on.
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the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, no matter the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself, it's muslims again. and you will probably be right. in 2014, about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. the vast majority of those perpetrating the violence were muslim. but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims. that's crucial to understand because it sheds light on the question, "why do they hate us?" islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west. they hate the modern world, and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear, while the
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jihadis are few, there's a larger cancer within the world of islam, a cancer of backwardness and extremism and intolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion are muslim majority. all that have laws against leaving the faith are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain in the 14th century islamic civilization was the world's most advanced or that the koran was once read as a liberal and progressive document, they are not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today. what they are saying is it can change. islam, after all, has been around for 14 centuries. there have been periods of war but also of peace. it's the same religion then and now. so what is different? it's not theology. it's politics. radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant economics of muslim countries.
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they have found in radical religion an ideology that lets them rail against the modern world, an ideology that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere, in europe, even in some rare cases in the united states. so how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, reform their faith, and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines, many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis. the hundreds of muslim reformers that i've spoken to said their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits condemn islam entirely, demean their faith, and speak of all
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muslims as backward and suspect. here's another way to think about this. in america, african-americans make up about 13% of the population yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now, we understand, i hope we understand, that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be dehumanizing, unfair, and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic, or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with isis even though he is a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged as individuals with individual liberties and rights. it is what they hate about us. we might as well live up to our own ideals.
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i'm fareed zakaria. thank you for watching. happening right now in the "newsroom," making the rounds. potential democratic vice presidential picks being put in the test defending their positions and presidential candidate hillary clinton. plus, on the heels of clinton's 3 1/2 hour grilling by the fbi assessing the timing and potential impact. and terror around the world. a deadly bombing in baghdad. isis again claiming responsibility. it's the third massive casualty attack in less than a week abroad. turkey, bangladesh, and now iraq. hello, everyone,
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