and thank you so much for joining us. don't forget you can watch "out front" any time anywhere on cnn go. "a.c. 360" begins next. john berman in for anderson tonight. from president obama to protesters in minneapolis, new york and elsewhere from an outraged governor to yet more grieving parents and growing reaction to a pair of police killings of african-american men. two dead in two days. the first fatal shooting of a man named alton sterling baton rouge, louisiana, that caught on video. the aftermath of the second in the suburb of the twin cities live streamed on facebook narrated by a mother, her 4-year-old daughter by her side as the man she loved and was engaged to marry philando

castile bled to death in front of her. t the stop that began for a stop for a taillight was appalling on all levels. arriving in poland we heard from president obama clearly shaken, his words almost arrested and he pleaded with america, we are better than this. >> i just ask folks to step back and think, what if this topped somebody in your family? how would you feel? >> to be concerned about these issues is not political correctness. it's just being american. >> president obama just a short time ago. it was a very powerful moment and we'll bring you the entire statement and talk about this

with others including filmmaker spike lee. there is anger across the nation and protests tonight across the nation. cnn's sara ganim on the streets of new york. tell me where you are and what's going on where you are. >> reporter: we're in times square, john, and this is where this protest has ended after almost three hours, they've been out here marching through manhattan and they started at union square just after 5:00 and began marching uptown and you can see how many people are out here. i would estimate more than a thousand and it started as a slightly smaller group and grew as we began to march more than 30 blocks. something that's interesting that i want to note. there have been no arrests here despite the fact that they were blocking traffic during heavy rush hour here all along fifth avenue, cars were at a standstill as protesters walked between them. same thing here in times square in the middle of a busy intersection. protesters sat down for more

than 20 minutes before police came in and had them stand up and they haven't had them move at all. you know, as we were marching, you saw police were marching -- not marching, but walking alongside of them and nypd saying they do not plan to arrest anyone or stop this protest from continuing as long as they remain peaceful and orderly. to a lot of people here that feels sort of like a turning point. they're hoping that this is a turning point in their call for action, for change. certainly, you saw the behavior of the protesters, incredibly good behavior, moving out of the street for things like ambulances. a very different sight than we've seen in the past. remember, this is almost two years to the day -- just a few days short, about ten days short of two years of the death of eric gardner when the deaths

began, since then, several more black men have died in police-involved shootings and these protesters and many of their signs talk about that. the growing list and they say they are not going to stay silent. the tone of this protest is really quite impressive, i have to say. i have to say that people -- the police walking alongside them allowing them to say their piece and they're also behaving quite impressively, john. >> sara ganim in times square. we can see pictures of the protests in chicago and also minneapolis. we will keep our eye on all of the protests as the night goes on and we'll examine the larger issues driving all of them and hear from all sides in this national debate surrounding it. first, we want to give you the latest on the incident that really touched off what you're seeing right now on the street, the killing of philando castile. here's ryan young. >> stay with me. >> those three words uttered by

diamond reynolds and fiance of philando castile as he sat in the driver's seat dying from wounds from bullets shot by a mrin so thea police officer. >> we got pulled over for a busted taillight in the back and the police -- he's -- he's covered. they killed my boyfriend. he's licensed -- he's licensed to carry. he was trying to get his i.d. and his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer know that he was -- that he had a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet and the officer just shot him in his arm. >> reporter: calmly, reynolds narrates through the events in realtime, live streaming the horrific aftermath on facebook. >> we are waiting for -- >> i will, sir. no worries. i will. [ bleep ]. >> reporter: it was just after 9:00 p.m. wednesday in falcon heights, a small, predominantly white neighborhood outside of st. paul, minnesota when philando castile and his fiance pulled over and the video ten

minutes in length shows philando shot, slumped over and badly breeding. >> i told him not to reach for it! i told to keep his hand up! >> you told him to get his i.d., sir, his driver's license. please don't it will me he's dead. he's don't tell me he went like that. >> keep your hands -- >> please don't tell me this, lord. please, jesus, don't tell me that he's gone! please, officer, don't tell me that you just did this to him. you shot four bullets into him, sir. he was just getting his license and registration, sir. >> and they're not alone in the car. where's my daughter. you got my daughter? >> reynolds' 4-year-old in the backseat of the car witnesses everything. she can be heard crying in the background. >> face away from me and walk backwards. walk backwards towards me. keep walking! keep walking. keep walking. keep walking. get on your knees. get on your knees.

[ crying ] >> ma'am, you're just being detained right now until we get this all sorted out, okay? >> reynolds and her daughter are finally put into the backseat of a police vehicle. don't be scared. my daughter just witnessed this. the police just shot him for no apparent reason. no reason at all. they asked for license and registration. that's the police officer over there that did it with the black on. i can't really do [ bleep ] because they've got me handcuffed. >> reporter: the child is heard trying to comfort her mother. >> it's okay, mommy. >> i can't believe this.

i'm [ bleep ] [ screaming ] >> it's okay. i'm right here with you. [ crying ] >> reporter: the deadly encounter between police and philando castile has ignited a tinderbox of outrage. people taking to the minnesota's governor mansion late last night chanting wake up. >> wake up! wake up! >> governor mark dayton asking the u.s. department of just toys help with the investigation and then late this afternoon, he makes his first remarks. >> would this have happened if those passengers and the driver or the passenger were white? i don't think it would have. >> the mother and uncle appearing on "news day," saying dying at the hands it's not

enough. >> we hear this around the united states of the world. people being harmed and abused by people that we're supposed to trust with our lives, people that are supposed to -- >> protect and serve. >> and protect us and they tend to be our executioners and judges, murderers. >> we're being hunted every day. it's a silent war against african-american people as a whole. >> reporter: as for reynolds, she appeared in front of the governor's mansion today with this to say. >> i wanted everyone in the world to know that no matter how much the police tamper with evidence, how much they stick together, no matter how they manipulate our minds to believe what they want, i wanted to put it on facebook and go viral so that the people could see. so that the people could see. i wanted the people to determine who was right and who was wrong. >> ryan young joins us now. ryan, what are you seeing there? minnesota?

>> reporter: just an amazing crowd of people. we're talking about several thousand. this has grown within the last 30 minutes or so and this crowd swelling and you have to look at this crowd because it's quite representative of the area. if you look behind me you see people who have come out here with their families, black, white, asian, all nations are out here and they're chanting together. we've seen this people holding hands who do not know each other and i had a conversation with two couples that were talking about this and they were trying to say they wanted their children to understand what was wrong with the situation and just in the last 20 minutes the governor himself walked out of the gates and started talking to the protesters and there was a dialogue right outside the fence line and it seemed to be all positive and so far people planned a rally as long as possible to make their point known that this is not what they want the state or city known for and it's quite amazing to take a look at the collection of people here. >> the governor saying would this have happened if there were white people in the car?

no, i don't think it would. this, what you're looking at right now, live pictures of new york city. that's where sara ganim was a short time ago in times square, this march, this protest that you're looking at right now has been three hours in the making. they've walked around a great distance of new york to end up where they are right now. as you can see, there is a large police presence there, the nypd is used to protests like this and they put a lot of officers on the streets and they communicate with the protesters during the entire event and in this case, during the entire march. you can see right now there is a bit of a stare-off with people chanting, but not much more than that although the numbers here are certainly not dying down any time soon. let's listen for one moment. we will keep our eye on this over the next several minutes. as we said, looks peaceful right now. the police officers are there as they have been for some hours.

we did see some pushing and shoving earlier, i am told, but certainly nothing rate now. that can happen as march lines move up close to where law enforcement is standing, but everyone now appears to be doing their jobs and we'll keep an eye on that as the night goes on. joining us to talk about what's going on all across the country. charles blow, former federal civil rights prosecutor laura coast and former president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. i want to start with you because we were sitting here last night not even 24 hours ago and not talking about minnesota and talking about what happened to baton, to new york city and there are people, and there are people all over the country. talk to me about what you think the people we're looking at right now are feeling, and talk to me about what you're feeling.

>> you can understand, i think that is an american anger. i don't think that we as americans believe that this is the country that we love, that we want to have, and i think this is a real big moral question here that's hanging out which is a lot of these videos, too many of these videos and too many of these cases that i've covered in the last two and a half years, all of those victims look alike. they look like me, and you have to keep asking yourself, how is it possible that so many people who look exactly aliken counter the police in their life often as a result of routine traffic stops, other times as a result of a 911 call and they leave that interaction dead and what we do is come on television and we argue about whether or not we can find a way to apologize for the police enough, find a way that we can rationalize their

behavior enough that we can say whether or not they should be charged, should not be charged, should be convicted, should not be convicted and what that does in my opinion is it leaps over the moral question which is a very serious question and that question is should those people still be alive? those officers will all have a chance to tell their story and they'll have a chance to hire an attorney and they'll have a chance to have their day in court and those people will never have any of that, and what shocks people to their core about the horror and the terror of this is that with community violence it is often territorial, right? you know the pockets of a city. you know the pockets of a nation which are dangerous. the police are omnipresent. there is nowhere that you can go to escape the presence of law enforcement. that means that there is no place for me, there is no way for me to graduate out of this

danger. there is no way for me to earn my way out of it. there is no way for me to earn enough money, get the gumption to move away from what is dangerous to me because it could be anywhere i am. most people like the people on that street are saying i refuse to live as an american in terror in my own country. >> jefford, i want to bring you into the conversation. charles blow just asked a very simple question which is should philando castile still be alive? your answer? >> we don't know yet. we ought to be waiting for the packs, but instead you've got people like governor dayton rushing to judgment and making very irresponsible conclusions about whether race was involved in this, whether the officers acted properly. i mean, this is remarkable to me to see a sitting u.s. governor react in this way. it's really quite shocking and

it does no service to the police or to the people in the streets asking for answers. >> jeff, what the governor said and what president obama said and what charles was just saying is these are not isolated incidents. yes, we have to know the facts of what happened in st. paul. we need to know more about what happened in baton rouge, but there's no denying the facts that african-americans are pulled over by law enforcement at a much higher rate. there's no denying the fact that they're shot by law enforcement at a much higher rate than whites. those are -- >> there's no denying that they commit crimes at a higher rate. that's a subject that we continue to fwlos over is law enforcement is in these communities in greater numbers because there's more crime in communities of color and by the way, disproportionately blacks are the victims of those crimes. celebrate the fact that law enforcement is in these neighborhoods trying to help.

>> should we be celebrating the law enforcement is in communities or should we be asking the governor of minnesota and the president tonight about how we could be better? >> what we should be doing is trying to figure out how we will work through this very difficult issue between police and community. we can sit here and speculate all we want, what happened. there certainly has to be an investigation, but i'll tell you, that footage there in minnesota is very, very disturbing for anyone. i'm a 40-year police veteran. i've been an administrator for 20 years in this business, and i have seen police shootings over the years and all of them create some form of disgust oftentimes with people in our communities, but what mr. blow is referring to, i have to agree to. we keep seeing this too often over and over and over again. nobody is more conservative when it comes to me about policing, but what we're seeing is a pattern here that we just cannot

ignore and we can't blow off. now, your last guest that just spoke and the union president, yes, there is a high rate of crime in many parts of our communities of color. that is statistically true, and we also have to putmore police officers in those areas which means that we may engage that population, but just because we're there and we have to engage the population does not mean that it has to be negative, and this comes down to community relations. this comes down to building relationships. you take that community right there in a small community such that you have there in minnesota or baton rouge. those are small communities, small precincts, small areas, and it's really a wonder how the officer nor any of the persons who died in those events, it appeared that they don't even know each other and had no relationship with each other. they had not even seen each other on the street so this is a

real complex issue, but we must allow an investigative process to take place. we're seeing some horrible and very disturbing footage and video, but we still have to allow the process to do what it does, but in the interim, we cannot ignore that something is going on here that you have to pay real close attention to, and we have to find some answers to. >> laura coates, i want to bring you in here. we are looking at protests in chicago and we saw new york, and people moving in atlanta and there are protesters, as well. i want to ask you about the specifics of the case. in a moment, but first, just touching on what we've been hearing from everyone here tonight so far, you can't watch that ten-minute video and listen to the anguish of diamond reynolds and know there was a 4-year-old in that car watching. it's hard to see that and say that we shouldn't be working to

make sure this doesn't happen. >> no, you're right, john. it's absolutely gut wrenching and i'm a hometown kid from st. paul, minnesota, with a nearly 4-year-old child. personally, i had a visceral reaction, but while everyone's talking about conceptually and hypothetically how we should hold hands between the community and officers. i look at this as a prosecutor and i say -- [ no audio ] ♪ ♪

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called by a homeless man who had an altercation with sterling. the homeless man was panhandling him and sterling showed him a gun to shoo him away. a few moments later alton sterling was on the pavement dying. late tonight president obama talked about his killing and the death of philando castile in what he sees as a larger, inescapable pattern. we played a portion of his remarks earlier in the show. we'll play them now for you in full. >> good evening, everybody. i know we've been on a long flight, but given the extraordinary interest in the shootings that took place in louisiana and minnesota, i thought it would be important for me to address all of you directly, and i want to begin by expressing my condolences for the families of alton sterling and philando castile.

as i said in the statement that i posted on facebook, we have seen tragedies like this too many times. the justice department, i know, has opened a civil rights investigation in baton ruble. the governor of minnesota, i understand, is calling for an investigation there, as well as is my practice given my role, i can't comment on the specific facts of these cases, and i have confidence that the department, but what i am saying is that all of us as americans should be troubled -- and these are not --

incidents. they are a broader set of racial disparities that exist in our criminal justice system, and i just want to give people a few statistics to try to put in c context why emotions are so raw around these issues. according to various studies, a wide rage of studies that have been carried out a number of years, african-americans are 30% more likely than whites to be pulled over, after being pulled over african-americans are three times more likely to be searched. last year, african-americans were shot by police at more than twice the rate of whites.

african-americans are arrested twice the rate of whites and african-americans are more likely to be charged with offenses carrying mandatory minimums. they receive sentences that are almost 10% longer than comparable whites arrested for the same crime so that if you add it all up, the african-american and hispanic population who make up only 30% of the general population make up only half of the incarcerated population. these are facts. and when incidents like this occur there is a big chunk of our fellow citizenry that feels as if because of the color of their skin they are not being treated the same.

and that hurts. and that should trouble all of us. this is not just a black issue. it's not just a hispanic issue. this is an american issue that we should all care about. all fair-minded people should be concerned. now let me just say we have extraordinary appreciation and respect for the vast majority of police officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. they've got a dangerous job. it is a tough job. and as i've said before, they have a right to go home to their families just like anybody else on the job, and there are going to be circumstances in which they will have to make split-second decisions. we understand that. but when we see data that

indicates disparities in how african-americans and latinos may be treated in various jurisdictions around the country. it's incumbent on all of us to say we can do better than this. we are better than this and to not degenerate into usual political scrum, we should be able to step back, reflect and ask ourselves what can we do better so that everybody feels as if they're equal under the law? now the good news is that there are practices we can institute that will make a difference. last year we put together a task

force that was comprised of civil rights activists and community leaders, but also law enforcement officials, police captains, sheriffs and they sat around a table and they looked at the data and they looked at best practices and they came up with specific recommendations and steps that could ensure that the trust between communities and police departments were rebuilt and incidents like this would be less likely to occur and there are some jurisdictions out there that have a topped these recommendation, but there are a whole bunch that have not. and if anything good comes out of these tragedies, my hope is that communities around the country take a look and say how

can we implement these recommendations? and that the overwhelming majority of police officers who are doing a great job every single day and are doing their job without regard to race that they encourage their leadership and organizations that represent them to get behind these recommendations because ultimately, if you can rebuild trust between communities and the police departments that serve them that helps us solve crime problems. that will make life easier for police officers. they will have more cooperation. they will be safer. they will be more likely to come home. so it would be good for crime fighting and it will avert tragedy.

and i'm encouraged by the fact that the majority of leadership and police departments around the country recognize this, but change has been too slow. we have to have a greater sense of urgency about this. i'm also encouraged, by the way, that we have bipartisan support for criminal justice reform working its way through congress. it has stalled and lost some momentum over the last couple of months in part because congress is having difficulty generally moving legislation forward and we're in a political season but there are people of good will on the republican side and democratic side who i've seen want to get something done here. that, too, would help provide greater assurance across the

country that those in power, those in authority are taking these issues seriously. so this should be a spur to action to get that done, to get that across the finish line because i know there are a lot of people who want to get it done. and let me just make a couple of final comments. i mentioned in my facebook a statement that i hope we don't fall into the typical patterns that occur after these kinds of incidents occur where right away there is a lot of political rhetoric and it starts dividing people instead of bringing folks togeth together. to be concerned about these

issues is not to be against law enforcement. there are times when these incidents occur and you see protests and you see vigils, and i get letters, well-meaning letters sometimes, from law enforcement saying how come we're under attack? how come not as much emphasis is made when police officers are shot? and so to all of law enforcement i want to be very clear. we know you have a tough job. we mourn those in uniform who are protecting us who lose their lives. on a regular basis, i have joined with families in front of

capitol hill to commemorate the incredible heroism that they've displayed. i've hugged family members who have lost loved ones doing the right thing. i know how much it hurts. on a regular basis, we bring in those who have done heroic work in law enforcement and have survived. sometimes they've been injured. sometimes they risked their lives in remarkable ways and we applaud them and appreciate them because they're doing a really tough job really well. there is no contradiction between us supporting law enforcement, making sure they've got the equipment they need. making sure that their collective bargaining rights are recognized and making sure that

they're adequately staffed, making sure that they are respected, making sure their families are supported and also saying that there are problems across our criminal justice system, there are biases, some conscious and subconscious that ought to be rooted out. that's not an attack on law enforcement. that is reflective of the values that the vast majority of law enforcement bring to the job. but i repeat, if communities are mistrustful of the police, that makes those law enforcement officers who are doing a great job and are doing the right thing, it makes their lives

hard harder. so you know, when people say black lives matter. it doesn't mean blue lives don't matter, all lives matter, but right now the big concern is the fact that the data shows black folks are more vulnerable to these kinds of incidents. this isn't a matter of us comparing the value of lives. this is recognizing that there is a particular burden that is being placed on a group of our fellow citizens, and we should care about that. we can't dismiss it. we can't dismiss it.

so let me just end by saying i actually genuinely truly believe the vast majority of the american people see this as a problem that we should all care about, and i would just ask those who question the sincerity or the legitimacy of protests and vigils and expressions of outrage who somehow label those expressions of outrage as quote, unquote, political correctness. i just ask folks to step back and think what if this happened to somebody in your family? how would you feel?

to be concerned about these issues is not political correctness. it's just being american and wanting to live up to our best and highest ideals, and it's to recognize the reality that we've got some tough history and we haven't gotten through all of that history yet, and we don't expect that in my life time, maybe not in my children's life time, but all of the vestige s would have been cured or have been solved, but we can do better.

people of good will can do better and doing better involves not just addressing potential bias in the criminal justice system. it's recognizing that too often we're asking police to man the barricades in communities that have been forgotten by all of us for way too long. in terms of substandard schools and inadequate jobs and a lack of opportunity. we have to tackle those things. we can do better. and i believe we will do better. thanks very much, everybody. >> president obama just a short time ago upon arriving in warsaw in poland. he's there for a two-day nato

meeting, but before doing anything with that he felt the need to speak to the nation back here at home about what's happened over the last two days here. two more police shootings of african-american men. you can see protests around the country right now in several cities around the country. we will keep our eye on those all night. director spike lee has appeared on this program many times. unfortunately, it's often in the aftermath of tragic incidences like the one we're seeing right now. we are always grateful to hear his perspective and he is here with senior obama official van jones. we will continue to keep our eye on these protests and those crowds growing around the country. remarkable pictures from around the country. spike, i want to ask you about what the president did there. he spoke for 16 minutes and he clearly wanted to get something off his chest there. there were a few things he said, number one, we can do better. he said that several times and number two, he wanted to lay out the facts about law enforcement and african-americans are shot by police at a two and a half

times higher rate than white americans and he wanted to frame this discussion maybe in a different way. he sort of suggested and he suggested outright that just by saying black lives matter and you're not saying that blue life, the lives of police, do matter. >> i applaud president obama for his speech. i that was it was magnificent. in the past he's been maybe hesitant to step out in front like with trayvon, i'm going to say he got murdered. when trayvon got murdered and again, me being redundant. i think the president nailed it. he talked about the stats that these things aren't just happening out of thin air. i would like to add, we've had some tough history and he said the vestiges that passed, i would have used slavery, tough history, vestiges, let's use

real words. slavery, that's the stuff we've not dealt with in this country and that's why we're still in the predicament that we're in. >> the president did use real words, though. he said this is real. this is a thing. >> i'm not killing what he said. >> people asked me, would this have happened had they been white passengers in the car and the minnesota governor said no, i don't think so. >> mark dayton, are those the words you're looking for? >> i want to applaud the governor of minnesota because i know the police are killing his character. and i don't mean to use the word kill in -- that's not the word to use, but i think he was being honest, and -- ooh -- >> it's tough. >> diamond reynolds, i've never seen anything like that before in my life. i think that what she did was very heroic, and -- i don't

want -- i think people are missing, her daughter was in the backseat. >> diamond reynolds is fiance of philando castile. >> 4 years old and how is she -- she'll be traumatized for the rest of her life. >> she streamed. she live streamed on facebook what was happening in that car and narrated while it was happening. you know, these -- with the technology because i've always believed this stufr has happened all of the time, with the technology we're seeing it, and we're in the 21st century of high-tech lynching, you know? i saw the other day my man, kaepernick, quarterback of the 49ers he said, 21st century lynching and you know, these videos, this is the real american horror show. >> van, i want to bring you into

this discussion. van jones, president obama said repeatedly we can do better. that was a refrain that he made during his speech tonight in poland, but "the washington post" came out with new statistics. the washington post is doing a phenomenal job tracking officer-involved shootings in the united states. there is no one federal database that reliably tracks these things and the post has taken it upon themselves to do as good of a job, and over the first six months of this year they've gone up and there's no change in the rate of african-americans being killed versus whites. when the president says we can do better based on what we're seeing over the last few days, are we? >> well, we're not seeing much better, and i've got to tell you, for every african-american parent what happened with that young man who was shot in the car is our nightmare because he did everything right. this was a young man who had never -- best we can tell had an

overdue library book, parking ticket, let alone an arrest record or criminal record and he was absolutely clean, working every day, working with children, beloved by everybody, has never been in any trouble at all and gets pulled over and apparently, if you believe the woman. we don't have the video evidence of that, but she seems incredibly credible and did exactly what he was told to do which is what we tell our young people to do and he wound up dead. so that is why you have this despite this almost numbness that people have for these videos now, this just shattered african-american community and all people of conscience around the world saying oh, how can this be happening? so i applaud the president for stepping forward, and i think he was really trying to be constructive. he tried to speak to the pain and the fear and the sense of disrespect on both sides. he really spent as much time talking about and trying to point out his respect for law enforcement and has demonstrated respect for law enforcement, and also trying to say this is a real thing.

what we've got to do at this point is try to find some kind of a solution. the reality is, and you know, spike lee's movie "chiraq" points out there is too many violence in the black community. whether it's police violence, street violence, too many funerals and rather than point fingers we need to come forward with constructive proposals. number one, we need to start screening police officers on the front end rather than getting fired or ross cuted on the back end. there's no screening. there's literally the psychological screening that should be happening is not happening so you can't train. once you brought in the front door people who may be psychologically inappropriate for the job and who may have deep bias and can't figure that out. you can't discipline on top of that and that's something everyone can agree on. >> i will say mr. castile's crime was his black skin.

that was his crime. that's why he was killed. >> the governor of minnesota mark dayton said had they been white people in the car they wouldn't be dead. one of the things you talk about a lot is trust and the lack of trust. >> it's gone now. >> completely gone? >> i think it is. look, i'm not here to speak. i'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else, but i want people to understand when something happens in ferguson, baton rouge, whatever, that affects the relationship between the community and the police departments in those areas. so this is a nationwide thing. it's not, like, well, that just happened in baton rouge and ferguson and that just happened in staten island. eric gardner. this affects on a nationwide front. the relation between black, brown people and the police departments. >> let me read you what diamond reynolds said today. she said police are not here to

protect us. they're >> look, why would you -- i'm not going to stoop that. she was sitting right next to her fiance. he got murdered for being black. >> the reality is -- >> and thank god that the 4-year-old wasn't injured or killed in the back seat. >> she wasn't physically hurt but she was emotionally hurt. let me just say one more thing. had there not been the video, had her cell phone battery died, here's what would have happened. there would have been a police report filed saying that this guy, a black guy had a gun in the car, he reached for the gun, the wife, woman got hysterical, child protective services would have taken the kid away, she would have been arrested and would have spent the rest of her life saying i swear to god he wasn't doing anything. everybody said yeah, yeah, whatever. so i just can't stress this

enough. african-americans have been saying this stuff has been going on not for the past two and a half years, not for the past two and a half decades but for a century plus. you go back to isaac b. wells and this has been going on. finally now the technology at least lets some people come into our world and see this from a different point of view. w what i want to say is i'm tired of people telling us tell black children to act this way or that way. if you cooperate with the police now, you still get killed. i want to now say something bold. it's time for white parents to start talking to their children, too. more white parents need to be talking to their children and saying as you grow up, be aware you may get subconsciously tricked into thinking that every black person is a threat, guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven black. we want you as young white children to be very vigilant and tell your friends to be very

vigilant. these parents did everything right and this young man did everything right and he's now dead. >> you can hear the pain of philando castile's mother. >> can i say something? what i love on your screen, diversity of the demonstrators all across america which represents diversity of this country. so various cities, various ages, black and white, it's diverse. hope you don't think it's only black people out there protesting this. >> philando castile's mother this morning says she thinks african-americans are being hunted in the united states. you couple that with what we just heard from diamond reynolds, the police are not here to protect us, they are here to assassinate us. do you think african-americans are being hunted? >> yes. facts don't lie.

what are cops going to say? are they going to believe my lying eyes or the picture? >> that's a big statement. you can understand if you're a officer and there are thousands of them across the country, they will say people think we're hunting african-americans? >> i don't think -- i'm not going to make the blatant statement that all police officers, but too many black people have been murdered and buried to prove otherwise. >> you want trust. i know you want trust between the community and law enforcement. >> we all want it. but we look at diamond reynolds in the car. i mean, i have never, ever seen anything like that in my life. >> i don't think any of us have. the presence of mind to sit there and stream it and narrate

it. >> let me say something about her. how credible, you can never find a more credible human being. i mean, for them to be able to sit there, she doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would sit there and lie and make up some stuff. she is as credible a human being as you will ever find. so i think that she needs to be treated with a very very high level of respect. of course we have to go through the whole process, get everybody else's testimony and all the evidence. but the reality is very few human beings would have had the presence of mind to do what she did. and to do it the way she did it. i think my hope is that she becomes somebody who america can actually embrace as a heroine because what happened was so unjustified, i would say it was -- if that was not a murder, if that was not a murder, i don't know what the word murder means. >> van, van, van, we have seen this before and the cops walk. they walk. >> hang on one second.

we don't know, we didn't see, i should say, what happened before that camera started rolling. we didn't see what happened. we don't know exactly what the conversation was between the officer whose name we still don't know, by the way, and philando castile. we just have her narration which was in realtime and as you say, it seemed like she was speaking from the heart there. but we don't know exactly what the facts were beforehand. it is a question that many people are asking is how important are the facts. >> i think they are incredibly important and frankly, charles blow i think, i hope his comments earlier tonight go viral and viral and viral again. >> he's great. >> what charles blow said today should be quoted by everybody which is that in fact, the officers will get their day in court. the officers will have an opportunity to have every single fact examined and reexamined. unfortunately, this young man will not. the question is, is that right. should that young man be here.

charles blow i think spoke for all of humanity tonight and what i would say to you is simply this. do not let her credibility be attacked. there may be other facts, other evidence. i just want to say there's a playbook and the playbook is for them to go destroy every single person who speaks up, to try to turn whoever got killed, this person was a thug. you can't do this right now. they may be trying to figure out some way to discredit diamond. what i'm trying to put out there to the cnn audience and the whole world, this woman deserves respect for what she went through and the presence of mind. whatever they find or don't find in the background, that's an american hero to be willing to put her most gruesome pain out there for the world to judge and she should not be attacked by anybody. fact-finding is one thing. character assassination, if that starts to happen, you will see a country rise up in defense of this young woman. >> spike, the last word?

>> difficult times, united states of america. difficult times. >> what's the solution? >> i don't know. i don't know if anybody knows. >> you have any hope? >> i got two children, you know. and i have a son. so it's scary. it's scary. >> all right. spike lee, van jones, don't go far. a lot more to talk about. we'll be right back. we will give you the latest on the protests right now that are growing. we have seen protests in new york, st. paul, washington, atlanta, philadelphia, washington, d.c. and elsewhere. thenot cold, but not hot.e, i can sleep the way that i sleep and he sleeps the way that he sleeps and we don't disrupt each other. it's just cool, it's great!

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