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a week of shocking violence in america, five dallas police officers shot to death, 7 wounded. african-american man in minnesota, louisiana killed by police. their deaths caught on camera. sparking protests nationwide. we're looking at one protest now in atlanta. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. a country in crisis, demanding leadership. >> we know there is something wrong with our country. there is too much violence, too

much hate, too much senseless killing, too many people dead who shouldn't be. >> a brutal attack on our police force is an attack on our country and an attack on our families. we must stand in solidarity with law enforcement, which we must remember is the force between civilization and total chaos. >> who will voters turn to in november to keep america safe and will this election bring us together or drive us farther apart? i want to bring in now texas attorney general, his name is ken paxson, he joins us now. thank you for joining us this evening. i want to send our -- >> thanks for having me on. >> absolutely. i want to tell you your deepest condolences for your officers and the people of dallas. how are you doing tonight? >> you know, it was a very surreal day for me. i used to work in downtown

dallas, about a block from all of this happened and i never thought when this happened that i would be in a situation close to a self-stated event like this occurring. you don't expect it in your own backyard and suddenly in happens and it's simply shocking. >> what can you tell us about the wounded officers in the hospital? >> you know, they haven't put out many updates. so i don't know a lot about their conditions. that still remains to be seen. we're praying for these guys because we know some of them are in serious condition. >> this was a deadly statement for law enforcement since 9/11. what does that mean to you? >> you know, it was a very sad story. but i think there is a silver lining in this. if you think about what happened here, you have police officers who escorted and were taking care of and protecting people

who were expressing their first amendment rights. these people were expressing their first amendment rights that may not have been favorable to these police officers. but when it came to the moment, they needed to be protected, these officers stepped into the fray. some of them died, some lived. but they were unafraid to take the risk for people that disagree with them. that's a great story for america and i think that's good. >> officers around the country do that on a daily basis on their jobs. what more are you learning about this shooter's motivation? >> well, i think he spoke about his motivation. i don't know if we're ever going to get much more than what he spoke because obviouslies he's not around anymore. there's not much more to learn other than what he said, he had issues with certain groups of people. so, unfortunately, we're not going to learn any more about him. >> attorney general paxton,

again, our deepest condolences. thank you. >> well, thank you for having me on. it's been a tough day. we're going to continue to pray for the families and for our state. >> absolutely indeed. i want to bring in now the family of philando cass tile whose death at the hands of police was live streamed by his fiance. it shocked the country, devastated loved ones. joining us are tracy and clarence castile. i don't know how you're able to get up out of bed and leave the house. but you are. you've been handling yourselves with the utmost dignity. thank you for coming on. i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> it's been two days. >> appreciate that. >> since this tragedy happened. you know, since then, we have seen a lots of anger and emotion from protests across the nation.

when you woke up today and you saw that these 12 officers had been shot, five killed, i would imagine you were saying my goodness what else could happen, first louisiana, now this. >> absolutely. >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> devastating day for -- >> in america. >> the people of dallas. these 12 people. men and women were killed, wounded, and i send out my deepest condolences to the families and the state of texas. >> you know, it's so hard to deal with because when something happens, mom, what happened with your son, i would find it -- i think i would find it hard not to be selfish and just worry about myself and just try to block everything else out.

but has that -- is that impossible for you to do considering what's been happening around the country? >> the thing about my son, he was a humanitarian. he loved life and he believed that all lives mattered. and i thought it was a tragic thing that happened in dallas, and my heart goes out to them as well. >> your son's girlfriend, diamond, i want you to listen to what she said earlier today. listen to this. >> i want my justice. i want that police officer's name to go public. and i want people to know who did this to us. who did this to our city, our state and our country. it's not you. it's not you, it's not you. it's none of us. we didn't do this to ourselves. i just want the world to know that. >> valerie, what do you want to see happen?

>> pretty much countser some of the things that she said. i want the person who was involved to be held accountable basically. i do want him to go to jail, yes, i do. yes, i do. i need that. because the a that that went down, unacceptable. things like that shouldn't happen to anyone, especially when you're taught to obey the law and then you're killed by the law. >> tracy, there are a lot of people out there who have been protesting because of what happened and protesting in the name of your family. we've been talking a lot about black lives matter, the movement, the different reactions that those protests elicit. last night we all watched what happened. it was really like a war zone. what do you think can be done to heal this enormous divide between the black community and law enforcement that so many

people feel? >> love and peace. the communities, law enforcement, build a better relationship with one another. people can't trust -- if they can't trust your police department, your sheriffs, anyone in law enforcement, we're going to have this same chaos. peaceful demonstrations, you've got this riot and you got all these families that are hurt behind all this. i think bridging that relationship with law enforcement, the communities and everybody just loved each other, you know, that's about it. >> considering the emotions that

are so high, that may be a tough thing to do. tracy, i had never seen anything like it. i don't think any of us saw anything like diamond put out. i'm sure it's awful to see. but i'm sure you're glad that it happened so that people can get some insight into what some people face in this country. >> well, i don't -- i'm glad that the video came out. very horrific thing to see. but with any criminal case, people need to be held accountable and i want what my sister wants, justice. and with any criminal, any -- >> go to jail. >> this person should be in

custody. treated like any criminal. be put in custody. handcuffed. fingerprinted. set bail, get an attorney. and go through all the due process. and guilty until proven innocent like any other criminal. this is a criminal case. i believe that's what should happen. he should be treated like any other criminal. >> you know, i want to ask you, valerie, because this is kind of an old school question if you'll forgive me. i'm not making a statement about you here. but i want to talk about congressman john lewis and something he tweeted out here. he says i was beaten bloody by police officers but i never hated them. i said thank you for your service. he also referencedr. martin luther king, jr., pleading for peaceful protests.

do you think that protesters will listen to him? >> they may. they should. because you can you can exercise your right to demonstrate and be peaceful. my son was a peaceful man. and we don't condone violence. but the thing about forgiving, you can forgive sometimes but you'll never forget. but he took my son's life. i can't forget that and i don't forgive him. bottom line. >> there have been over the last couple of days people who are saying, you know what, if a police officer gives you a command, you should do it, you should comply. i saw your interview -- >> absolutely. >> on cnn. >> right. you're adamant about that. you taught your son to do that. yet and still, you know, his girlfriend is saying that he did, but he's not with us today.

what do you say to that? >> i say it's unconceivable. i don't understand that one. i mean, god works in mysterious ways, and i don't know if my son was a martyr and he's got something else to do behind him being killed like that. maybe some changes will be made because of him dying in that manner and it being seen live, streamed live as it's happening. so maybe that's what's going on. that was his destiny. that's what he was put on this earth for. because that went worldwide. everybody saw it. everybody was devastated. and i think that's part of the reason. i just didn't understand it and i didn't know why it would be my son, my one and only son.

>> can i ask you guys something? how are you able to do this? how are you able to get on television and speak so clearly and -- how do you do it? >> well, me personally -- >> i've been sitting here listening and you've been talking to tracy and val and by passing me. >> forgive me. you could have jumped in at any point. >> i could have just chimed in. the composure is coming from. the thing is, we have a message to share. being irate, distraught, sad and not being able to focus and get this message across, it's not the best thing. the best thing for us is to be cool, be able to explain how we feel about our nephew, what type of person my sister's son was and what type of legacy that he leaves behind. how he affected people in a positive way throughout his short-lived life. we've been talking about a few

different things. excuse me, but i bounce around a lot. i can't help t it's just my nature. >> you're allowed. go on. >> in regards to the police and their relationships with the community and things of that nature, i in my opinion think that more police should come from the neighborhoods in which they live in where they know the people and know how to communicate with the people in the neighborhood and that develops better relationships just with that. and then there's the training, the type of training that these police officers get. i believe -- i don't know for sure, but police officers are trained to kill. you know, not to shoot to wound or to warn. >> i think he's right about that. >> and then, i mean, for some -- i believe it used to be a scale of force, how you would treat a person when you came to him. you talked to them nicely and then you talk to them with a

strong fist and then you go to the taser, to the gun or the baton or whatever it was. you do all these things before you kill them or pull the weapon. depending on what the situation was like. it's like these things have changed. police officers go straight to the gun. they'll give you a verbal command and if you don't do what you do, you're shot and killed, maimed. >> yes indeed. >> so i'll think of more things to say in a minute unless you give me a direct question. >> we're good. but you'll think of it and you'll have to call and tell me. i have to run. i got to tell you again, thank you guys and please keep us updated. i'm sure what you're dealing with, arrangements and all those things now. it appears you have a strong family and i'm so happy that you can laugh right now. there's going to be lots of tears ahead. but to see you smiling is very important. thank you so much. thank you, clarence. thank you, tracy. thank you, valerie. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.

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there. it looks like there is a bit of pushing going on. but not really sure. i don't want to call that. again, protesters are out and exercising their right to protest. we'll continue to monitor that. there was a big rally in atlanta tonight and one in san francisco and now there is one going on in phoenix, arizona, that we're keeping an eye on. it could be them right around the media to get on television. let's move on. i want to talk to nick val ent from baton rouge, louisiana. since the shooting happened the other evening, tensions have been high there. what's going on? take us to the scene. >> reporter: we saw those tensions and how high they got here, don. it was about an hour ago we arrived on the scene, the corner of airline and goodwin, about a half a mile from the cop shop, the headquarters for baton rouge, police department a the one point we saw for the first time here in baton rouge, in the

days we've been here, a swat line form. it was a mixture of police and law enforcement agencies. i'm not sure how much you can make out behind me, but they have asked us to move across the street largely the crowd has dispersed. at the height it was up to 200, 300 people. the cops largely outnumbered those demonstrators. there was a negotiation that was brokered between the protesters. they allowed one to get on the police megaphone to ask the crowd to disperse. the agreement being that the police would leave so the protesters would. that happened and as it was happening, somebody threw a cupful of ice at one of the swat officers and that escalated tensions again. there were folks in the crowd trying to rile the protesters up, trying to say that no one is leaving the demonstrations in atlanta, in chicago. they shouldn't leave here in baton rouge. there was only a handful of people trying to excite the crowd. there were state representatives, local politicians as well that were trying to temper any anger,

trying to temper any frustration here in the crowd. within the last ten minutes, things have largely calmed down. traffic is moving again. 15 minutes ago, that was not the case. things were at a standstill and there were some fears that perhaps tear gas could be used. the police asked children to be removed from the scene. right now, it is not as tense as 15 minutes ago, but the crowd is not altogether gone. police are still very heavy presence here on the corner just a couple blocks away from the police department headquarters here in baton rouge, louisiana. >> cnn's nick valencia. thank you very much. i appreciate that. let's discuss all of that now with my political contributor, host of united shades of america, op-ed columnist, mr. charles blow who has been on air probably longer than i have. you were on new day this morning, weren't you? >> i'm working on a few hours of sleep. >> how are you holding up? >> i mean that.

>> there comes a point when you realize that whatever you're going through, it shrinks, pales in comparison to what the families of the officers and the families of the people killed by the police officers. so you know, it gives you a bit of wind in your sails. >> i said that in the commercial break. i said i'm tired as hell. but i can't complain considering what happened. i want to play this extraordinary clip from diamond reynolds. she's philando castile's girlfriend. he was shot by police in minnesota. >> this is bigger than philando. this is bigger than trayvon martin. this is bigger than sandra bland. this is bigger than all of us. so today, i just want justice for everyone, everyone around the world. not just for my boyfriend and the good man that he was. because i'm going to continue to stay strong for him. i want all of you guys to do the

same. >> when you step back from the events of the last few days, do you think we've crossed the ruin con where there's no going back? are we at a crisis point here? >> i think the temperature keeps rising. i think that this is a new state and a new stage. part of what -- people want to blame the black lives matter, young people for having the wrong slogan or blame this or blame that. what you're seeing is the result of a complete failure of the system at the highest levels. here in washington, d.c., no truly significant legislation has been passed, frankly, for years. but certainly dealing with this issue. so what you have is the walls are beginning to crack under the pressure of the elites failing the people. this is a piece of everything that's going on in the political system, the election, the dysfunction, the craziness, the

elites are not doing their job. so what you have now is desperation and fear economically. now, in the justice system and in the streets, crazy people are grabbing guns and shooting out planned parenthood. shooting up black churches and cops. the system still has not responded. i think at a certain point, you have to recognize that yes, we are now at a higher level of alert. at some point both political parties and the leadership have to begin to pass laws to do something or it's going to get worse. >> that is what you do, that is what you have been tasked to do here at cnn is to cover really the diversity of america and untold stories in america, and part of this election year, you know, some of the candidates have -- people will say donald trump has capitalized on a voice and a demographic in america that many people have not heard or haven't paid attention to.

>> yeah. i think it's hard to sort of think that people haven't paid attention to that voice, that voice of -- that rhetoric is always present in america. i think the thing that happens like with the news and people coming on news programs like this, as we saw with joe walsh, he gets to hide behind his rhetoric and not have a conversation with you. at best, he's running to be donald trump's vp nominee at this point. there's just a sense that like people are hiding behind the rhetoric. we need to change the narrative. we're in two camps. there's the police community and the black community. i feel that's just wrong. the police community is supposed to be a part of the community, not separate communities. i feel with the united states of america, when i sit down and have real conversations with them, the rhetoric melts away. i feel that's what real conversations have to happen where people aren't hiding behind the rhetoric. it's going to happen again. it's going to keep happening. as van said, the temperature is rising. >> does that happen when you're

face to face, charles, with that sort of conversation? you and i can have -- if you and i sit together and talk, it's hard to be -- i notice when people on television, they're sitting inboxes and they're by satellite, they can be really rude to each other. when you're next to someone, you have to engage them at least in a way, in a personal way that you may not in another situation. >> right. i do think personal interaction, we see the humanity in people when you're next to them and talking to them. however, this idea that the oppressed need to educate oppressive forces out of being oppressive is, in fact, a form of oppression right? the idea that if someone is racist to me, that it is now my obligation to do the work to change the defect in you puts the onus on me.

i mean, it's like i don't have the time. the great phrase that says one of the great effects of racism, the effect is that you is a distraction. it keeps you explaining things that don't need explanation. >> it's also -- >> yes. >> here's how i see it. when you tell someone, you have an issue with this or if they tell you, you go, no, no, no, i don't. maybe we should see each other as marriage >> you go to counseling, you got to deal with it, you got to say yes dear, sometimes i'm right and sometimes i'm wrong. we don't do that as brother and sister of different races sniemts no i'm not in a marriage. we're getting a divorce. i refuse to be in an abusive relationship with someone abusive to me. what i'm saying is this. your defect is not my problem.

if you need educating, then you need to do that work. >> charles, i understand what you're saying and i agree with you at some level. but we all have to live here and even if someone has a defect, you can know it. but it doesn't mean that you have to put up with them or live with them. but i think that in some ways you can be the bigger person to help educate them. it's tiresome. you can't do it all the time. >> i think there are fantastic people in the world who have the patience and the wherewithal to do that. i do believe, however, every moment that i take explaining something that does not require an explanation is a moment i've taken away from doing my work in the world. it's a moment away from my family, a moment that i have taken away from nurturing my spirit. i won't give that to you. >> i got to get to something else. you guys are going to stay here. >> the most ironic thing is that

charles blow is probably the best explainer right now on the american scene saying how he does not wants to explain. i want to point out without your explanation, most of us would be lost. go ahead. >> but here's the thing. charles and i, i love charles and we can disagree, right? and be respectful to each other and still be friends. >> right. >> but neither one of you has a gun. that you know about. >> i want to bring in a guest by telephone. you've joined the conversation. i'm not sure how much you've heard. we've been discussing the protests happening around the country. one of which happened and may still be going on in atlanta tonight. you are actually out there with the protesters, right? >> yeah. i felt that it was just a moment and that there was a real need. so many of the protesters tonight came from the atlanta university. that's actually where so much of the civil rights movement during

the late 1950s and '60s was birthed. i thought it was appropriate during this critical moment when i felt like protesters had moved in a different direction that i speak to the young people directly. so i did that. >> you're the mayor of a very big city in a very diverse city with a big african-american population. and the police department there. how are you dealing with these issues, the issues between the community and policing in atlanta and how should people around the country deal with this sort of divide that we have? >> you know, don, i think we actually are leaning into the community. you look at the population of our police department, it really does mirror the population of the city of atlanta. last year in 1.6 million interactions with public, our police officers fired their

weapons less than ten times in 1.6 million interactions. last year in the city of atlanta, less than 100 people were murdered. i think what you really have to do is, you need to respect law enforcement, but you also need to make sure that the relationship is mutual. so we're doing the very best we can in the city of atlanta. last night we had 1500 people protest the awful murders of philando castile and sterling and this morning, we expressed our deep sorrow over the loss of the officers in dallas. we had 1500 people protest and zero arrests. today, we had more than 10,000 people protest in the city of atlanta, respected people's first amendment rights. we've had very little loss of property. we've had less than 12 arrests today. we think that protest is a part of the dna of the city of atlanta. we're the home of dr. martin luther king and the home of cnn.

where cnn was founded. we think it's right to provide a safe space for individuals to protest. so we're going to have a long night. but i think we're going to get through it in a good fashion. >> as you know, it was my home for search years. >> i know. >> virginia highlands. >> i know. >> i want to ask you this as a mayor. i don't know if you saw the secretary, hillary clinton -- the former secretary's interview with wolf blitzer today. she said something interesting. i'm paraphrasing here. she said i think it's important, she wants to call on all white people. her words. paraphrasing here. to understand that what african-americans in this country are going through. to sort of empathize with them. i found her statement very interesting. what i said on the air to wolf blitzer and it's similar to the conversation that van jones -- i'm sorry, that charles blow and

i were just having about looking within yourself and then also helping other people understand. did you happen to see the secretary's comments? what do you think? >> don, i didn't see the secretary's comments. but i certainly understand them. you know, one of the things that's exciting about this protest tonight is our young people have an expectation that they will be treated fairly and just. so i view that as a kind of progress. i mean, my dad used to tell me the story about his parents when he demanded that his grits be served hot. every demand might seem unusual at a moment. this generation of people fully expects that their rights will be respected and to the extent that they're seeing they're not, their tolerance level is much

different than perhaps my generation or my parent's generation. all of this is progress, it's messy and achy and painful. but we are moving towards a fairer society. i said just the other day, don, i said that many of the things that we're seeing on videos regarding these murders, of black people and other people, it's been going on. you know it and i know it. before i was an elected official, i got stopped in my car all of the time. my dad drilled in to me the lessons of driving a vehicle, keep your hands on the steering wheel when you're pulled over, look forward, say yes, sir or ma'am to the police officer. place your wallet in the seat by you. ask for permission to do anything. he was concerned about me living. he just wanted me to get home safe. but this generation, they have a different expectation. they expect to be treated fairly

and lawfully. we've got to give them the space to lead their protests and to be a part of the solution. sorry it was long. >> no, no. i'm enjoying the conversation. i want to say that charles blow is here and van jones and w. kamal bell. do you have any questions for the mayor? let's talk. >> one thing that i find fascinating, mr. mayor, i want to know your take on this. we kind of in media assumed that there would be a repeat of the last assassination of police officers with this ambush of police officers in dallas where protesters basically kind of calmed down after that assassination between the time of the assassination and the time of the funeral and things kind of cooled down. this is markedly different. these protesters are rejecting the idea that that person represents them the way that

people keep trying to project him. >> he said he wasn't -- >> he said he wasn't a part of it. you listen all day to some conservative media, they've been trying to attach him to the black lives matter movement and to those protesters. what we are seeing tonight is not only did it not take the wind out of their sails, in some cases it seems like they have ramped up the protests. i think that's a fascinating phenomenon because they are rejecting what is being placed on them. >> quick response, mayor. i have to get to break. you know how that is. >> i think that goes to the point that this is a different generation with different expectations. i think it also points to the result that you have seen in case after case where black people lost their lives at the hands of law enforcement. but we have to respect the 99.9% of law enforcement officials who do good every day. we have to act decisively when the individuals in the law enforcement community do wrong.

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we're back having -- i'm loving this conversation with charles blow and van jones. we had the mayor of atlanta on earlier, kassim reed. it's hard to solve a problem when people can't admit there's

a problem or exactly what the problem is. >> you know, i think about, i was watching your show before i got on. just to see the body language of joe walsh versus the body language of the castile family. joe walsh, who threatened the president on twitter is acting like he's been wronged, yet the castile family shared a laugh with you. there's this thing that black people, we sort of feel like we have to rise above and be on our best behavior and be the spiritual leaders. meanwhile, joe walsh is threatening the president and is booked on your show. we have to change the narrative. we have to stand up. the other thing i want to comment on is we talk about a recurring nair of do the right thing when the cops talk to you, hold the steering wheel, and yet rice, john crawford, iii, they didn't have the chance to do the right thing before they were killed. you can't good behavior yourself out of being killed by a police officer all the time.

>> to charles' points where he says -- i think charles you said you're exhausted sometimes from trying to educate people or show them why they may have biases or whatever. i mean, that was -- that was a difficult exchange with joe walsh, but sometimes i welcome that. i can understand how you can get tired of it. >> can i say something about walsh. one the things that was disgusting about his appearance. he starts the clock running for when america goes to hell at ferguson and what president obama said about ferguson. but he insulted the president of the united states -- he stood up on the house floor and screamed out, you lie to the president of the united states within the first six months of him being in office. i would say that's when america started going off the rails. if you want to start trying -- if words matter and conduct matters, having an unprecedented

show of disrespect to a sitting president within the first six months. he hadn't said anything about ferguson or trayvon or anybody. i thought it was particularly galling to hear that from him. we have to recognize there's a certain section of people in the country that are just not willing to be self-critical at all. it's amazing to me -- i was very proud actually of the mother who said i'm not going to forget him. in charleston, if you had all the black people shot up and the first thing we said we forgive. if everybody said we forgive them, we never have this conversation about this rise of racist groups. she said i'm not going to forgive. she refused to play into that role. >> i got to go. you're eating up w.caman bell's

comments. >> can i follow-up on what he said. >> i yield -- >> are you yielding the floor to the jae gentleman from "the new york times." >> the one thing i said was interesting, you can't behave your way out of this. i tell people all the time, when they pull a gun, you can't pull a resume. you don't have that sort of time. you can't say i go to this fancy school, you can't shoot me, i have this fancy job, you can't shoot me. i've never done anything wrong in my life, please don't shoot me. it doesn't happen that way. they didn't have time to say those things. that's not the way that it works. >> i've got to go. this is great. it was like we were out for drinks. >> it's like a barbershop. >> charles, you don't have any hair. >> and van. >> i barely have any. >> thank you. i'm glad that we could smile through such difficult times and have this really interesting conversation. i really appreciate it. up next, hillary clinton,

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stewart, the former communications director for senator ted cruz. before i get to you guys. i was talking with van jones and he was mentioning the person who say you lie to the president. it wasn't joe walsh. this has been an emotionally deadly week. do you think donald trump has shown the kind of leadership we can expect in a president? >> i do. i think it was the right move for boat of the candidates to cancel the events. we heard him mention the awful deaths of the officers and the two deaths of, he referred to them as the motorist. he mentioned both as he should have and faded into the back drop. today was not about hillary clinton or donald trump. it was about honoring the officers and talking about the awful tragedies we've seen in figuring out how we can get to the place where what martin luther king said, we have to learn to live together as brothers or we will perish

together as fools. that is what today was about and it was nice to see the candidates fade into the background. >> i want you guys to listen to a bit of a video statement that donald trump released tonight. he started out by talking about the brutal attack on dallas police and then said this. >> every american has the right to live in safety and peace. the deaths of alton sterling in louisiana and filland roe castile in minnesota say we have to make sure the american's safeties are protected. too many americans are living in terrible poverty and violence. we need jobs. racial divisions have gotten worse, not better. >> so, for the sake of time, a quick responses, everyone, i want to get to hillary clinton as well. do you think he struck the right tone, angela? >> no, i don't. i think that donald trump, one, was late on commenting on the deaths of alton sterling and

plpl philandro castile. he didn't want to comment. he didn't think it was worthy of commenting on before hand. i think it is unfortunate to say that this is about jobs. people continue to, in some way victim blame here. this wasn't about employment. castile had a job. he was doing very well seeking and feeding and serving these kids. it was not about jobs here. >> i want to turn now to hillary clinton's response and interview with cnn's wolf blitzer today. listen to this. >> i'm going to be talking to white people. i think we're the ones who have to start listening to the legitimate cries that are coming from our african-american fellow citizens and we have so much more to be done and we have got to get about the business of doing. it we can't be engaging in hateful rhetoric or insicitemen of violence. i've said on the campaign trail,

we need more love and kindness. i know that is not usually what presidential candidates say, but i believe it and i'm going to be speaking about it from now all the way into the white house and beyond. >> alice, is that the answer? more white people need to empathize with african-americans? >> i agree, they were both right to cancel campaign events. this is not about the presidential race. it is about the human race. to a degree, hillary clinton is right. it is about more lochb and kindness. mayor reed made a good point. this generation is looking for more fair treatment but at the same time, there needs to be more respect and fair treatment for police officers and i think that is what we're getting away from. i think both hillary and donald trump did the right thing today by issuing their words of support and concern for the victims. giving it a day to breathe, let the families grieve and then i'm sure we'll hear much more tomorrow out of the two of them moving forward on ways that we can combat senseless violence

and tragedies as we've had the last few days. it is too much too soon and should not be happening. >> i have a short time left but there is so much anger and fear in the black community and law enforcement community. what should leaders be saying to calm tensions if i can get ten seconds from each of you. first, angela? >> i think that listening is right but i think we need to be careful with the rhetoric we use. for someone to say that respect is needed more for officers, i just -- >> okay. >> i think the main point is there are seven families tonight that will experience their first weekend without our loved ones. there are seven families. >> alice? >> and as charles blow says, everyone wants to go home at the end of the night. let's peacefully co-exist. find a way to bridge the gap and live together in peace and harmony and that is the best answer. >> thank you, a. have a great weekend considering the circumstances. i appreciate you joining us. thanks for watching, everyone, i'll see you right back here on

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welcome to our viewers here in the united states and indeed all around the world chlth i'm michael holmes at the cnn center in atlanta gl and i'm george howell here in dallas, texas, and we're at the dallas police department headquarters and i would like to give you a sense of what is happening behind me. you see this memorial you see set-up. you see the balloons, flowers, messages to remember the five officers. these five officers who were killed in the line of duty. their families who expected them to come home. those officers did not come home. the u.s. president, barack obama is set to visit dallas in the coming days at the request of the city's mayor. in the meantime, we are learning new details about the act of domestic