. wow. >> the black lives matter movement has only called for a de-escalation of violence, not an escalation of it. >> everywhere in the united states, police say they are on a heightened state of alert. some believe they're being targeted now more than ever. >> his facebook page was covered with black nationalist symbolism. >> this was an individual choice for whatever reason that shook our city, black and white, to its core. all of dallas is traumatized. ♪

you know, we're always grateful to wake up in the morning, sit down in front of you and know that you are with us. help us understand what it's like there this morning maybe even as opposed to yesterday. >> reporter: good morning to you at home. another peaceful night here. this memorial behind me in front of the dallas police headquarters growing again even after some tense hours yesterday. i want to go through what happened across the country overnight. this was a third night of protests against police brutality. watch this. >> big firework just popped off. people are very upset out here. the police are surrounded. >> reporter: i want to take you through some of the cities.

i'll start here in minneapolis where there was a peaceful demonstration that turned dangerous. five police officers were hurt when people in the crowd threw bottles, rocks, fireworks. they protested furious over the death of philando castile. >> you can't stop the revolution! >> reporter: this is chicago. three people arrested here. activists snarled traffic downtown, some gathering along the city's famed magnificent mile. we'll have more from there. you hear the crowds here in washington. hundreds marching along city streets, including a young girl you saw there. her shirt reading, my life matters. and now to baton rouge. a black lives matter activist was arrested.

>> don't fight me. don't fight me. >> i'm under arrest. >> reporter: the video you're seeing here, this is what was caught live as he was streaming the protest. i'll have more on that arrest later in the hour. but we're beginning our coverage in minneapolis where at least 50 people were arrested during violent protests there. i understand that the protest ended really early this morning, not last night. what have you learned? >> reporter: well, it's actually two separate protests is what we're hearing from the people who were involved. they all originated here at the governor's mansion. we should mention the last four days have been very peaceful protests. but today they did end in a number of arrests and some violence. but that second protest that just ended, that was about an hour ago that it ended. 50 people were arrested. we were over there when we

actually saw two buses full of people being loaded up, people detained. we're told now they're at the police department being processed at this point. what we're being told from protesters is that that one -- the people that marched from here to that location two blocks from here, sort of got barrelled in by the police. they pretty much just stopped them in the street from continuing to march and that's when the arrests occurred. i want you to hear from a woman who said she got woken up by a phone call from her daughter who was getting arrested. >> my daughter was a protester. at the governor's mansion i guess they decided to walk. she called me and said i'm surrounded by police. they got guns on me and i'm probably going to get detained for walking. and i got out of bed and this is what i saw. >> reporter: what do you think about what you're seeing right

now? >> i want to know where my daughter is. it's ridiculous. >> reporter: the streets were full of family members just like that, protesters who left the scene. now to that earlier protest that you talked about, the one that shut down i-94, major interstate here between st. paul and minneapolis. that one did have a number of violent incidents reported by st. paul police. we're talking about fireworks being thrown at police officers, bricks, concrete slabs, pieces of construction. as far as the protesters, they tell us they were maced. they tell us there were smoke bombs thrown at them. it did get violent. that one shut down the highway for about five hours. we're not quite sure how many people were arrested in that particular protest. >> reporter: back here in dallas now.

authorities are defending their use of a bomb carrying robot that killed the cop murderer micah johnson. dallas police say they used the robot like this one as a last resort. this was after negotiations failed and the gunman kept shooting at them. johnson ambushed and assassinated officers during an anti-police brutality protest. bullets sprayed into the crowd. two civilians also shot. 12 officers shot. five of those officers killed. we have sara sidner with us now. what more can you tell us about this bomb-carrying robot? we heard about this initially from the chief several days ago and now coming out and again defending the use of it. >> right. there isn't a great amount of

criticism. there are groups coming out in numbers saying this was the right thoiing to do. the chief said very clearly why they ended up using this device. we will talk a little bit about the device now. it's a remote tech model f5 claw and arm extension. on that claw and arm extension there was c-4, highly explosive, a pound of it. i want to let you listen to the chief. this is what he initially said as to why they decided this was to important to use. keep in mind, negotiations had failed and a police officer was shot during those negotiations. >> we saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it

to detonate where the suspect was. other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. >> other options would have exposed their officers to grave danger. two civilians were also hit. at this point the police were thinking, look, this is our only chance. five officers had been killed. seven officers had been wounded. this is what they decided was their best option to make sure no one else died. >> last resort. let's go to what happened yesterday. after what we saw here on thursday night into friday morning there were people who saw that there was another lockdown here at headquarters. streets were shut down. do we know more about what prompted that? >> what we heard from police is there was some sort of a call to

them, some sort of information to them that there was a credible threat. as you might imagine, everybody is on heightened alert right now. >> of course. >> the citizens frankly are on alert. so somebody said there was something going on inside of a parking structure. police decided to go in. they locked this area down, no one getting in. they went into that structure, checked it several times and found that there was no threat. but of course when you get that call after what happened here, you are going to react and take it as seriously as you would any other threat, especially because so many police officers were targeted. >> of course. the police did their due diligence for hours and found nothing there. we'll continue the conversation about the investigation throughout the show. i've got law enforcement analyst art just off camera here. we're talk to talk about this impact of this threat and this continued trauma, i would call it, on the officers who have

been on high alert for several days now. also overnight we're getting word of multiple shots fired at police head quarters in san antonio. police are on the hunt for a suspect there. plus, we're learning more about the motivations of the dallas police shooter through his online profile. >> his facebook page was covered with black nationalist symbolism, the black liberation fla flag. her wandering miles from home. when the phone rang at 5am, i knew it was about mom. i see how hard it's been on her at work and i want to help. for the 5 million americans living with alzheimer's, and millions more who feel its effects. let's walk together to make an even bigger impact and end alzheimer's for good. find your walk near you at alz.org/walk.

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>> he became a police officer to protect the community. and if there ever was a time that he was killed in the line of duty, he did what he wanted to do, was to protect others. >> i tell my kids i have dangerous job and that someday i may not come home. i'm a realist. >> they've got to pray everyone single day for that. i just pray that everybody else will be thinking about our officers throughout the country. >> most officers are good people and they choose every day to

walk away from their families and put their lives on the line every day. >> i'm here to protect everyone. >> there are still good law enforcement officers out there. but i'm proud of my husband and my daughter. >> there you're hearing from the family members of police officers. they're sharing their biggest fa fears as their loved ones put on that uniform and put themselves in harm's way every day. i want to start with something we talked about in the last block. overnight the officers injured in minnesota we saw fireworks there, bricks, bottles tossed at police. what's your reaction? >> this is how protests go unfortunately. some people try to co-op these protests.

they want to have peaceful protests. that's what law enforcement wants to see. you're going to have this. this unfortunately follows any large group that has a protest going on. since this incident happened and the fbi has put out alerts regarding these protests and law enforcement being in a hyper vigilant state, hopefully this will calm down because we've got the rnc and the dnc coming up very shortly. we know we're going to have protests there. i'm sure since this incident in dallas that law enforcement in both cleveland and philadelphia are ramping up even more. >> of course. let me ask you about san antonio, the breaking news overnight that shots were fired at police headquarters there. what's your concern about copy cats specifically? >> the minute this happened, i think we all came out and said

oh my gosh i hope there won't be any copy cats. unfortunately this is starting to happen. we had at least five or six incidences of law enforcement being ambushed. this is going to be an ongoing process. we've learned from the national law enforcement officers memorial fund that at this point 26 officers across the country have been shot and killed in the line of duty. at this point last year it was 18. >> i think there's a correlation

between these two. this just didn't start on friday on wednesday. this has been going on now for probably a year. we've seen this uptick in violence against law enforcement. but also law enforcement officers responding with deadly force. i don't know when the tipping point is going to happen. i hope this was the tipping point here in dallas, but only time is going to tell here. >> what's the impact on these officers who are still in many respects grieving their partners, their friends after what happened on thursday. and then you have that heightened alert again on saturday, this up and down? >> anybody who went through 9/11 remembers this same scenario where you've got adrenaline pumping through you for 30 hours. this is like an effort quake and these are the aftershocks.

and this is going to continue for some days now where every little incident law enforcement is going to respond to the max. more now about the possibly motivations of the killer here in dallas by looking at his online activity. it's clear micah johnson was visiting, liking and absorbing messages that could have inspiei inspired him not just to hate, but to strike.

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welcome back. i'm victor blackwell here in front of dallas police headquarters. you know, before he shot five dallas police officers, 25-year-old micah johnson was very active online. as our drew griffin reports, we may be able to learn more about his motivations by looking at the groups he followed on social media. >> his facebook page was covered with black nationalist symbolism, the black liberation flag, his photo, fist raised in a black power salute.

cnn has been speaking with a former friend of johnson who says he was disturbed not just by recent police killings of black men but on the history of violence against his race. johnson repeatedly viewed the videotaped beating of rodney king. and he knew everything about the history of martin luther king's assassination and the murder of malcolm x. it's clear micah johnson was visiting, liking and absorbing messages that could have inspired him not just to hate, but to strike. the friend, who wants to remain anonymous, says johnson was a good black man with a little bit of an anger problem. that combination of history, pride and anger is visible when you scroll through micah johnson's facebook likes. they show the shooter visited and liked a multitude of african-american groups, black

lives matter, african-american history, alternative afro centric news sites, the new black panthers. but you also come across these, groups that espouse more than just black awareness or empowerment, but hate and violence. the african-american defense league is one of them. shortly after news broke of a black man being killed in baton rouge this week, the aadl posted then deleted this call to arms, calling on the gangs across the nation, attack everything in blue. the postings are similar to what led to this nationwide alert issued by the fbi on thursday, a warning to all law enforcement that attacks on police were being called for with images to graphic of cops being killed, cnn has chosen not to repeat them. one shows an artistic version of

an officer's throat being cut, similar to isis style propaganda. >> certainly they're putting out ins -- >> he knows the fbi is monitoring sites like these. and while he says they haven't risen to the level of actual terrorists, he's troubled where the sites may be headed. >> we don't see the same enforcement action against white nationalists and black nationalists that we do see against jihadist groups. extremist groups are getting on the internet more. they're exploiting the lessons from isis's success. >> almost like a page from the isis play book, domestic hate sites are making micah johnson a

martyr. rest in peace the site declares of the murderer. he stood up to injustice. grew griffin, cnn, dallas, texas. >> thanks to drew for that report. now, as the country mourns both the death of the dallas police officers and the deaths of two black men killed by police earlier this week, there are a lot of people turning, of course, to faith, especially on this sunday morning to heal. i'm going to talk with the leader of a mega church here in dallas on how to move forward through love and prayer. >> god didn't pull that trigger. one of the great things about those of us who believe in god is that he gives us free will. generally it works in our favor. but occasionally it works against us when somebody's will decides to make a choice that is detrimental to humanity and such was the case here in dallas.

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demonstrators threw rocks, bottles, miefireworks at office. san antonio texas, several shots fired into police headquarters there, leaving behind shell cases, bullet holes in the headquarters. no one was hurt, but police are searching for a man seen running

down an alley. there are so many people across the country who are wondering how to heal, how to move forward. bishop td jakes is trying to help with that journey. he's the senior pastor of the potter's house. it's a mega church here in dallas. 30,000 members. during the vigil for the fallen officers he asked the community, asked the country to come together. >> many of us do not recognize pain until it's on our front porch. >> i sat down with bishop jakes to talk about what it means to truly heal, to move forward. and the special message he has for his congregation this morning. >> it was a bit shocking to me. you know, it was horrible. i mean, the demonstration had been calm and peaceful and the

relationship between the demonstrators and the police had been amicable. and then out of the blue this crisis comes and rattles our city down to its very core. >> there will be inevitably and there are people right now, sunday morning, asking the question, why is this happening? how could this happen? maybe how could god let this happen? >> god didn't pull that trigger. one of the great things about those of us who believe in god is that he gives us free will. generally it works in our favor. but equationally loccasionally works against us. >> young black men, the concern that they're being targeted by police, to those young men in your congregation what do you tell them? >> i have three sons, two daughters.

you have the same talk with your parishioners that you have with your children to be very careful and very respectful, not to allow your temper to overwhelm you. yet there is a certain degree of worry that goes along with it. it is not the police that we're afraid of. we need the police in our communities like anybody else. it is those particular officers who are either not well trained or should never have been selected in the first place. it's not what happens in the mainstream but on the isolated back roads that makes me concerned. >> you of course have some members of law enforcement in your con gas station. >> >> absolutely. i have had the privilege for speaking for the black association of police officers from time to time. it's a really tough job and there are a lot of good police officers who give of themselves unselfishly every day.

it's a hard enough job without being targeted like this. now it becomes even more difficult for them to do their job. i think it is possible to have great respect for the police department and still be able to hold them accountable when designated individuals go awry. because for some reason in our country we think that if you are concerned about sidewalk justice, which is what i call it, that then you are disloyal to the police officers. but the two notions are not mutually exclusive. it is possible thoeld tho hold accountable. >> you're a man who is recognizable. are you ever concerned if you're pulled over by an officer about your safety if they don't know they've just pulled over bishop jakes. >> i've had experienced in my life. i've had experienced where i was pulled over, badly handled or

mistreated. i've had experiences where my sons were pulled over and calling me on the phone screaming and crying and i'm scared to death something is going to happen. because i don't know which kind of police officer pulled them over, the good one or the bad one. you don't have to be a bad person to make a bad decision. that happens. what we are concerned about is when that does happen, why does the criminal justice system look the other way? you can't totally control -- there are bad reporters, bad preachers, people who have made bad mistakes who are good people. that's human. our system need to be such that there is accountability and consequences for bad choices. that same reality needs to also

be true for the police department. >> this is a city you've lived in for how long? >> 20 years. >> what do you feel in the last couple of days after the shooting and what we've seen at the dallas police department and people bringing cards, flowers and notes and stopping to thank and embrace members of law enforcement. >> first of all, i'm very proud of our city. we've come a long way. we've got a long way to go but overall i'm proud of our city. we've got problems. but you must realize that what happened in dallas is not a reflection on the city of dallas itself. the march was successful. the police were protective. this was one individual. i think it would be a travesty to think that dallas is in an uproar because of the divide that exists between our communities. there is a divide. but this was an individual choice that shook our city,

black and white, to its core. this sunday i hope to sit down with some of the victims from baton rouge. and we're working to bring in the family from milwaukee to talk to them on stage and to talk to my congregation. because i realize that my congregation is traumatized, all of dallas is traumatized, both black and white. and this is an opportunity to bring healing, individually and collectively, so that we can go back to the business of being better for the betterment of dallas and working on being better as brothers and sisters. the reality is this series of shots and the death of good police officers, the explosion of somebody's child because of the choice he made, cuts me to the core. that young man, as horrendous as what he did may have been, that's somebody's child. and we're in the business of

healing. it is a tragedy that the purpose of the march got distracted by the choice of one individual. >> very, very valuable words there. i want to share with you the front page of the dallas morning news this sunday. a crying eye here. the editorial headline, this city, our city, has been tested before. now we face a new test. yesterday the front page was we are hurting and the faces of those officers. and now this morning the path forward toward healing. a message of transition from what happened here thursday into what this city will continue to be as it moves forward. >> what a great interview with td jakes there. i know we'll hear more of it next hour as well. as he's wrapping up his european trip, president obama

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i firmly believe that america is not as divided as some have suggested. >> a scott bolden and scotti hughes. thank you both for being us this morning. i want to read something to you from the "new york times." a quote from a history professor saying that unity is the wrong goal. quote, often in our past unity has meant burying disagreements rather than solving common problems. what we need now is someone who can work across differences, not erase them. i think there's no way trump can do this. the jury is still out on

clinton. i know that there are millions of people who believe that donald trump can bring unity. but when we look at the past divisiveness of his comments and his relate rihetoric, how do yoe that -- >> right. i love the question of how. first let me also commend the president for his words. that's the leadership that we need to see right now out of our top officials, especially the president of the united states. the problem is that it is not the same as what we've seen in the past. unity is all about perception, about your environment. thanks to the internet and social media, our environment is not just our zip code anymore. we feel close to those we have never met before thanks to technology. the solution that we need to be talking about is why are we not

encouraging more law enforcement to have diversity? only 12% of officers are black officers. president obama, when he first got in office -- we need to have more solutions. unfortunately every time there's a situation like this the automatic solution that comes from the democrats has to do with gun control. but you never actually see specific ideas. more just these generic statements and an assault on the second amendment. >> what are the specific solutions that trump is going to bring to the table? >> i think it comes back to economic development. he is saying let's go into these urban areas. let's restore respected in their communities by making them take pride in their communities. you do that by bringing jobs and money back into these areas and

education. let's teach the people to fish for a long term and continue to grow these communities. it's what he's done in the past when he partnered with the rainbow coalition and built the building on wall street. >> i want to, scott, come to you with some historically high end favorables for both candidates this morning. trump's at 59% edging out clinton by only 57%. on top of that, a new time magazine report cites usa today that likely voters across the country found that 61% of them are alarmed about the presidential election. only 23% are excited. that's less than a quarter of our country is excited about these two candidates. how is hillary clinton going to be able to bridge this gap between police officers and the communities and the african-americans and the whites

and the racial divide that we see? >> i think hillary clinton has a long history of reaching across not just racial lines but political lines. certainly donald trump doesn't have that history. and given his employment and business history with minorities and women and the business failures that he's experienced. but let's talk about hillary clinton for a second because she's been in the senate, she's been in the white house. she has a long history of working across racial and political lines on healthcare issues, on family issues, on civil rights and human rights. her high negatives may go to the whole trust issue. of course when she's been under attack for the e-mails, you're going to get that. for the first time you have these high negatives. if you listen to the democrats and barack obama and hillary clinton, they have a message of hope. they have a message of unity. it's not one of divisiveness. donald trump and the republican party are in complete disarray.

he can't even reach across intraparty lines because his message is offensive. he's the last thing we need right now. what we need right now is healing and resolution and creating the safe space for people to talk about their differences and not to bury disagreements but to really resolve them and have racial tolerance. >> we'll see how these conversations continue to evolve. we are out of time but we always appreciate your voices in these conversations. thank you. protesting in a digital age. it's live. it's raw. it's unfiltered. brian stelter is looking at why live streaming these rallies is in a sense becoming the new normal. >> yes. just a few hours ago among the many arrests in baton rouge was

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new this morning, cnn has just learned at least 125 protesters were arrested overnight in baton rouge. the moment that he was taken into custody it was captured live on periscope. look at this. >> you're under arrest. don't fight me. don't fight me. >> i'm under arrest, y'all. >> now police say he's charged

with simple obstruction of a highway. brian stelter joining me now. mckesson is still in prison at the moment. take a look at this. hashtag free deray is trending. what do you make, brian, in the rise of people live streaming protests? >> this reflects his stature in the movement. he's the best known, most famous activist within the black lives matter movement. he has been that way since ferguson in 2014. he was in baton rouge along with other high profile activists in order to witness and participate in the protests. sounds like bond will be set this morning and perhaps he'll be released later today. he is very media savvy.

last time i saw him, his phone was always in his hand. he is known for always being on twi twitter and periscope. when a high profile protester is arrested and live streams it -- think about what it's like if you're in baton rouge and protesting and you're able to watch the protesters in st. paul and philly and new york statemat the same time. i think one other point is significant here. the fact that he's been arrested means that there is a famous face for these arrests last night. sounds like about 200 people arrested in various protests. but when you have someone that is relatively well known, it does create more attention for the protests. we are live from dallas when we come back. do stay close.

[ ghost voice ] the name your price tool can show you coverage options to fit your budget. oh -- ohhh! she slimed me. [ laughs ] you can't stop the revolution! >> the black lives matter movement has only called for a de-escalation of violence, not an escalation of it. >> everywhere in the united states police say they are on a heightened state alert. some believe they are being targeted now more than ever. his facebook page was covered with black nationalist symbolism. >> this was an individual choice for whatever reason that shook our city, black and white, to its core. all of dallas is traumatized.

it was another night of a lot of protests, a lot of arrests. good morning to you and thank you for your company. i'm christi paul. my colleague victor paul in dallas this morning where the conversations with still very raw. are they not, victor? >> reporter: good morning to you and good morning to you at home. not just here in dallas are these conversations raw, but across the country. we've seen this third night of protests against police brutality. i want to take you on a tour of what we've seen across the country. i want to start in minneapolis where police used smoke bombs, tear gas, after a peaceful demonstration turned quite dangerous. five police officers were hurt there when people in the crowd threw bottles and rocks and fireworks.

>> you can't stop the revolution. >> you can't stop the revolution! >> now to chicago. three people ray rested in that city as activist es snarled traffic downtown. hundreds of protesters marched on new york streets waving signs, carrying messages of support of black lives matter. and about 20 people were taken into custody in new york. now to baton rouge where black lives matter activists deray mckesson was one of roughly 120 people arrested in that city. >> i'm under arrest, y'all. >> the moment was caught as he was live streaming a protest. so he recorded his own arrest. we'll have more on that arrest

later in the hour. we're going to begin our coverage in minneapolis this morning where at least 50 people were arrested during the protest there. kwh >> reporter: we've had four days of peaceful protests. but one that just ended a few hours ago, it was somewhat not peaceful. it sort of ended in all those arrests that you were just describing. it started here at the governor's mansion. they marched down the street a few blocks and they sort of got cornered in by the police, we're told by those protesters. they said at that point they got arrested and put on a bus. we were there when we saw swat members lining up and those protesters being loaded onto two separate buses and being taken away to be processed. we also talked to a mother who says she got woken up by her daughter who was part of that

march. >> my daughter was a protester up at the governor's mansion. she called me and said i'm surrounded by police. they got guns on me and i'm probably going to get detained for walking. and i got out of bed and i came. and this is what i saw. i want to know where my daughter is. it's ridiculous. >> reporter: a lot of frustrated parents and protesters. it did get violent at one point. protesters shutting down a major interstate here in st. paul. five officers getting injured by getting hit with fireworks and bricks and construction materials. certainly has not been a peaceful night here in st. paul. >> let's bring in now cnn law

enforcement analyst art roderick. i want to pick up wheith rocks d bricks and fireworks being thrown at officers. >> this seems to be getting worse. again, i think we're back to these protests start off peaceful. there's certain people in the group that want to coopt that type of agenda. law enforcement is used to this. generally they can handle these types of situations. and a lot of times they let themselves wear themselves out. i know there's been a lot of arrests that occurred last night. i heard somewhere in the area of 200 across the country. >> let's talk about the decision when to arrest and when not to arrest. we saw the video of deray mckesson arrested, one of the

125 in baton rouge, charged with simple obstruction of a highway. when we watch the protests in new york, those are protests without permits. they are walking in the middle of the streets and officers are walking alongside them. in baton rouge, why arrest there instead of keep peace? >> it's different jurisdictions. every police department is going to handle these types of situations a little differently. new york is probably a lot more used to this type of protest. they know how to handle this particular situation. baton rouge, maybe not so much. obviously now since the incident occurred down in baton rouge, the shooting in baton rouge, they're going to learn through this process that, you know, even though they might not be permitted, let's let them protest. let's let them work it out. >> take us into the decision making process. as you say from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, the protests -- although there were arrests in

new york last night, i guess over the last several years of these protests, often police in new york make sure that people are safe. they walk alongside them. they keep order. when deray mckesson or other people step into the road, they're arrested for stepping in the road. how does the department get to that point? >> when you look at nypd, you look at baton rouge pd, obviously there's a disparity of experience in these types of situations. i've been involved in mass arrest situations. they're an absolute nightmare for law enforcement. not only are you physically making the arrest, but then you've got to process them, you've got to get them to the court system. it jams the whole court system up. in these larger jurisdictions they don't want to deal with these mass arrest scenarios. the whole judicial process gets

jammed up when you make these mass arrests. an unprecedented takedown of a mass murderer. that's what happened here on friday morning. police used that bomb carrying robot to blow up the sniper. now, it saved lives but now officers are defending their decision to use it. plus, after this week of tragedies centering around controversial shootings of black men and now the assassinations of officers, a lot of people across the country are worrying about how to move forward. i spoke with bishop t.d. jakes. he will deliver a special message for his congregation this morning. >> i hope to sit down with some of the victims from baton rouge and we're working to bring in the family from milwaukee and to talk to them on stage and to talk to my congregation.

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welcome back. i'm victor blackwell here in front of dallas police head quarters. the police are defending their use of a bomb and this bomb carrying robot to kill micah johnson after that standoff with officers. it really is a first of its kind takedown. dallas police say they used a robot like the one you see here as a last resort. this was after negotiations failed and the gunman kept shooting at them. johnson ambushed and killed officers on thursday, spraying bullet into the crowd. he hit two civilians, hit 12

officers. five of those officers were killed. first, they're defending it against whom or what? >> it's an interesting question, because it isn't as if there is a large ground swell of people asking why did they use this. there's a lot of people who recognize that the situation was extraordinary and they used extraordinary means to deal with it. there's always the question of the slippery slope. when these should be used, since this has likely never been done before, exactly how they will use it and what are the decisions going into using something like this which is obviously going to create quite a bit of damage and kill whoever is anywhere in the vicinity of that blast radius. on that claw and arm extension it had c-4, a whole pound of that explosive substance. that can do quite a bit of damage. it also ended up killing the

suspect in this case. we should also mention exactly when all of this was going on. if you listen to what the police said, there were four officer who is had already been shot and killed. and there was an officer who was likely killed during the negotiation which went on for hours. at some point the police decided we have to do something or more officers are going to die. >> we saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was. other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. >> so you heard there it would expose our officers to grave danger. there will be questions going further about this. but i think in this particular

situation a lot of people are looking and saying this does appear to be their last resort. >> let's expound this conversation now. i want to bring in jeff parks. he is homeland security and improvised explosives expert. he also served in the army. so first when remote tech model f 5 with a claw and arm, i have to admit i glazed over a bit. i need for you to as plainly as possible in just a few seconds if you can explain what this is, what it's typically used for. because this use is a first of its kind. >> bottom line is it's a remote controlled vehicle that's driven by an operator through a camera feed. it has a manipulating arm which is able to pick things up, put things down, extend and carry a package as it did in this case.

>> thank you for that. jeff, we hear now that the chief is defending the department's use of this robot and the bomb to kill the shooter. what do you think of the chief's decision to send in that robot? >> i think it was an excellent decision. i think the robot is there for high risk situations. in this case, it was carrying the explosive. that's actually one of the things these are designed to do. the difference was that you had the chief had made a decision that lethal force was authorized and they used it to carry the explosive to the shooter versus normally where it may be carrying it to another explosive device that you're going to disrupt. >> so less than a pound or roughly a pound of c-4 used here that was detonated to kill this shooter, can you put that explosion into context for us? i mean, without being too

graphic and indelicate because of the hour but put the explosion into context. >> i would say that's a significant amount of explosive. it was more than enough to do the job to neutralize this individual. >> okay. okay. now the question is, this is a first. does this lead potentially for this to happen more often? that this would be a more common use of this technology? what's your concern or do you have a concern about the possibility of this becoming more common? >> i think the key here was -- the unique part of this was you had a mass casualty situation. you had a police chief who had been forced to make the decision that this lethal force was authorized. that's where police forces don't frequently go. that makes this more unique than the delivery method when was the robot. once that decision was made, they had to eliminate this guy.

you could use the robot or send is swa the swat team. this guy was clearly well positioned. so by using the robot and a large amount of explosive, it kept them from putting those officers at risk. i don't think it's a dlip rslip slope. this robot is designed to investigate and carry a package or a bomb as it did here. so the difference was not what it was carrying, but where it was carrying it. >> as the chief here proactively defending the use of the bomb and the robot. not specifically challenged or questioned by any specific entity. thanks so much. >> thank you. so this week the country

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this morning dallas police are investigating an incident outside the home of one of the officers killed in the sniper attacks. two officers were stationed outside the house when they were hit by another vehicle. and that's all we know. >> we are heart broken. >> standing at a podium just hours after five of his officers were killed and seven others wounded by sniper fire, dallas police chief david brown speaks for them all. >> all i know is that this must stop, this divisiveness between our police and citizens. >> this week the country was torn from within by violence, both by police and those against them. it started on tuesday in baton rouge, louisiana. the fatal shooting of alton sterling, a 37-year-old black

man killed at the hands of two white police officers seemed to be the kindling for the chaos. >> they killed my boyfriend. >> less than 48 hours later philando castile's shooting death by a falcon height's police officer fuelled the tension. then on thursday night this happened. the man who assassinated the officers made his reasoning clear to police. >> the suspect said he was upset about black lives matter. the suspect said he was upset at white people. the suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. >> the killings in dallas resonated in baton rouge where this week's violence began. friday night protesters squared off with riot police. from phoenix to chicago to atlanta, police say they are on a heightened state of alert. some believe they're being

targeted now more than ever. it's a debate that played out on cnn. >> you have now a group of people like mooiyself and many others who don't want cops to believe that i am the one who's persecuting them. >> we have to be candid. there are people that have been out spoken, that are a part of the black lives matter movement that are not advocating for peace, that are not advocating for peaceful protest, that are advocating for hurting police officers. >> but just how bad has it gotten for police? gunfire deaths are up from last year but are still about average. while fatal shootings of police officers are up from last year, it's the same average rate between 2005 to 2015. the stats might not reflect the sentiment currently held by many cops including the dallas police chief. >> we're hurting. our profession is hurting.

>> nick valencia, cnn, baton rouge, louisiana. meanwhile, dozens of arrests overnight. and thousands protesting police brutality. we're going the get you caught upt on the headlines. >> so many are turning to faith in order to heal. i'll talk with the leader of a mega church here in dallas. that's bishop t.d. jakes on how to move forward through love and prayer. >> it is not the police that we are afraid of. we need the police in our communities like anybody else. it is those particular officers who are either not well trained or should have never been selected in the first place. it's not what happens in the mainstream. it's what happens on the isolated back roads that makes me concerned. a meeting? it's a big one. too bad. we are double booked:

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we are following a third night of protests against police brutality across the country. in new york 20 people were arrested overnight as hundreds marched on city streets carrying messages in support of black lives matter. >> in baton rouge, louisiana, 125 people were taken into custody for blocking a highway. including black lives matter activist deray mckesson who live streamed the moment that cops took him into custody. >> in st. paul, minnesota, 50 people were taken into custody at one point during that protest. a police officer was hit in the head by a piece of concrete. >> as we're holding this

national conversation about interactions between police and the communities they serve and conversations really about race, cnn asked african-americans about the talk that many have at home with their loved ones, their children especially after the recent spate of officer involved shootings. >> i'm scared to sit my son down one day and say they might not like you. >> i want to have children one day, but i don't want to have a son because i don't want him to go through this police brutality. >> i have a little boy. a little black boy that's 1 years old. and i fear for his future. >> as a black man in america, we have to figure out thousand survive. you know, and the best way to do that is have conversations about it. >> they might look at you negative before they look at your positive. >> don't play no loud music. don't draw attention to yourself. >> don't fight them. >> don't reach in your pockets for anything. >> you have to watch what you

say and what you wear. >> don't wear your hoods. >> you just might be seen as a criminal. but you never done anything in your life. >> just yes, sir, no, sir. >> yes, sir, no, sir. >> give him honest feedback and just talk to them. >> i'm going to move my hand to the glove compartment. >> just put your hands up if they tell you to put your hands up. >> everything i'm saying is measu measured, calculated and thought out. >> they're not us. we can't reason with them like they are us. >> you're already an african-american male. you already substantiate outand. try your best to fit in with everybody else. >> how do we stand together and say no more? >> after the tragedies of this week, shooting after shooting, there are many people across the country who are wondering how to move forward. bishop t.d. jakes, a pastor here

in dallas is trying to help with that journey. he's the senior pastor of the potter's house. a church with 30,000 members here in dallas. during a vigil for the fallen officers he asked the community and the rest of the country to come together. >> we pray for the nation. we pray for every city around this country. we pray for cities that we watched on television and ate our dinners and went to bed and thought it was their trouble but not our own. but death has come into our windows. it has climbed up on our front porch. i don't know how you feel about it today, but i feel like enough is enough. >> i sat down with bishop jakes to talk about what it means to heal. how to heal and move forward and how he'll answer questions about how what happened here on thursday night could have happened. >> god didn't pull that trigger. one of the great things about

those of us who believe in god is that he gives us free will. generally it works in our favor but occasionally it works against us when somebody's will decides to make a choice that is detrimental to humanitiy thuman. and such was the case in dallas. >> to those young men in your congregation, what do you till them? >> first of all, i have three sons. i have two daughters. and you have the same talk with your parishioners that you have with your children, to be very very careful and be very very respectful, not to allow your temp tore overwheler to overwhe. it is not the police that we're afraid of. we need the police in our communities like anybody else. it is those particular officers who are either not well trained or should have never been selected in the first place. it's not what happens in the mainstream. it's what happens on the

isolated back roads that makes me concerned. >> with so many thousands of members of the potter's house, you of course have some members of law enforcement. >> absolutely. >> how do you counsel those police officers? >> you know, i have had the privilege of speaking for the black association of police officers from time to time. it's a really tough job. and there are a lot of good police officers who really give of themselves unselfishly every day. it now it becomes even more difficult for them to do their job. i think that it is possible to have great respect for the police department and still be able to hold them accountable when designated individuals go awry. because for some reason in our country we think that if you are concerned about sidewalk justice, which is what i call it, that then you are disloyal to the police officers. but the two notions are not

mutually exclusive. it is possible to hold them accountable and still respect the ones that are heroic every day. >> you're a man that's famous, recognizable. are you ever concerned if you're pulled over by an officer about your safety if they don't know they just pulled over bishop t.d. jakes? >> i've had experienced in my life where i was pulled over, badly handled or mistreated. i've had experiences where my sons were pulled over and calling me on the phone screaming and crying and i'm scared to death that something is going to happen, because i don't know which kind of police officer pulled him over, the good one or the good one. there are lots of good ones but suppose the odds are against us and we get a police officer who may not actually be a bad person but in a split second makes a bad decision. you don't have to be a bad person to make a bad decision. that happens. what we are concerned about is

when that does happen, why does the criminal justice system look the other way? >> bishop jakes said he would also try to bring in those families from minnesota and louisiana this sunday to be part of a conversation at the potter's house here in dallas, bringing in some ways the victims of all three of these tragedies into one place to have a deeper, more substantive conversation. >> and hopefully specifically for them to find some healing and camaraderie amongst each other since they have the commonality of some of those experiences. i want to introduce you to the face of the dallas police department. chief david brown is going to be sitting down with cnn to talk about the personal tragedies that he's over come and the next steps for his department.

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well, president obama is in spain this hour, speaking there about the difficult week that we've had here in america. he's actually cutting his european trip short, will be back in washington tonight. earlier he told his european audience not to believe what so many people are saying about divisions in america. >> i firmly believe that america is not as divided as some have g

suggested in the wake of t sugge suggested. >> the police chief said he does feel a division. >> we are heartbroken. there are no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our city. all i know is that this must stop, this divisiveness between our police and our citizens. >> coming up on state of the union, chief brown is joining jake tapper for his first sitdown interview since those shootings. jake, i know that chief brown has dealt with both sides of police tensions within dallas. and it was so interesting, you rarely hear a chief of police pleading with people for their support.

did that strike you? >> it did. i think it's one of the things when president obama talks about there aren't the divisions in the country as many portray it, i think that that's probably true to a lot of americans. but there are also a lot of americans, whether they are in communities that have nervousness when police approach or whether you are a policeman or policewoman or a member of a family affiliated with law enforcement, you do feel those very stark divisions. and somebody like dallas police chief brown knows that firsthand. his personal story is very, very compelling. not only has he lost a partner and a brother to this kind of violence that we see, but his son was involved in a shootout with police and lost his life after killing a policeman. so he knows these divisions firsthand in a very personal and

tragic way. >> yeah. he's one of those people that as soon as he starts speaking i think we stop and listen. we want to know what else he's going to say. what else are you talking about on the show? >> we'll also sit down with the department of homeland security secretary jeh johnson and new york police commissioner bill bratton to talk about these divisions in law enforcement and the state of america. we'll also talk to the governor of oklahoma, mary fallon who is reported to be on the list of possible vice presidential nominees for donald trump. we have a great panel and we'll also have a special state of the cartoonion with gary trudeau. it's decades worth of cartoons about one of his favorite subjects, donald trump. >> appreciate it so much. looking forward to the show. now we want to take you back

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you know when bullets are being fired you have to run into it. i'm always thinking about my daughter and my nephew every day. any time i hear of a new york city police officer crashing their vehicle or getting shot, those are the first two calls that i make. >> no one wants their child or their significant other to get hurt in the line of duty. but it's just something that, you know, you learn to appreciate every day with them. >> my husband always tells me he became a police officer to protect the community. and if there ever was a time that he was killed in the line of duty, he did what he wanted to do, to protect others. >> i tell my kids i have a dangerous job and some day i may not come home. i'm a realist. >> they've got to pray every single day for that boy. i just pray that everybody else will be thinking about our officers throughout the country. >> most officers are good people and they choose every day to walk away from their families and put their lives on the line

every day. >> i'm here to protect everyone. my children as well as someone else's children. >> we are still good people. there are still good law enforcement officers out there. hearing from the families there behind these officers who serve us around the country. as dallas grieves for the five officers who were killed and the impact of the ambush spreads not just nationally but in some respects globally, a community is left to heal. well, let's bring in the person who comes in to help that community heal. angie trice, program director for the national alliance for support. how are you? >> i'm well. how are you? >> i'm well, thank you. thank you for the work you do. once you get in contact with these families and learn about who they are and what they need, what can your organization offer them? what does your organization

offer? >> we offer them support and resources to help them get through the situations. we also help with care packages. we send things to their families, we send condolence cards, we send anything they really need. really we're there for the support and give them resources that they need. >> that's the support offered to families in this situation in dallas. let me ask you and look at it from a different perspective here. after the deaths of alton sterling and philando castile, we heard from the attorney for one of the officers jeronimo yanez, who said his client was saddened from what happened there. the statement, it had nothing to do with race and a person with a gun. regrettably the use of force became necessary in reacting to the actions of the driver of a stopped vehicle.

he says his client is deeply saddened for the families and loved ones of philando castile. i am not asking you to comment specifically on the cases and facts, but does your organization support those officers as well? do you reach out to them? >> yes, we do. we reach out to every officer, no matter what situation they are going through. we'll help him in any situation. >> okay. >> okay. can you flesh out a bit more, beyond the care packages, what those conversations are like as the members of your organization speaks with these families. >> we will send -- besides the care packages we have a chaplain on call 2015 and people to talk with them 24/7.

>> people in other cities around the country and around the world stand in solidarity with them. they may donate to a fund to support them, but in most respects their lives are pretty much the same. i would expect that it would be different for law enforcement families, especially after what we have seen around the country after what happened here in dallas. would you talk to me about that. >> it is a little bit different. as the wife of an officer, i have to think and we have to think as law enforcement families, are they going to come home to us every day, what are they dealing with on the streets. they not necessarily are going to tell us everything they go through. they might not necessarily want to tell us because it causes us stress even more if they go into depth of what they already go through. because we already know in our minds what they go through. we don't necessarily want to hear the in-depth details. so it's a little stressful. we try to live a normal life, but in that aspect it's kind of

hard. >> it is definitely a difficult job for the officers, and i thank you for explaining. i know your organization used to be wives behind the badge. we did a story with the group there in durham about a year and a half, two years ago, explaining that the life of a law enforcement spouse is just as difficult. angie, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you very much. this tragic incident had everything toe do with the presence of a gun and nothing to do with race. that's what some people are saying. again, that nothing to do with race but the presence of a gun. regrettably the use of force became necessary in reacting to the actions of a driver that philando castile, again -- sorry -- the statement there from the attorney for the officer who shot and killed philando castile. back to you in atlanta.

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t . a peaceful protest in dallas takes a horrific turn. >> we cannot let the actions of a few define all of us. >> how would hillary clinton or donald trump handle this moment of crisis? >> we must do better together. >> we will make america safe again. >> plus, the fbi investigation ends with no charges. but a harsh take on clinton's

private e-mail server. >> they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. >> trump allies cringe as he again wanders off script. >> they took the star down. i said too bad. should have left it up. >> one week to the gop convention. is the candidate ready for prime time? "inside politics" the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your sunday morning. three questions as we count down one week to the republican convention and reflect on the horrific police shootings. question one. will last week's events exacerbate a racial divide that's been too evident this year for as president obama says bring a needed moment of national consensus? >> there is sorrow. there is anger. there is confusion about