planning a larger attack. and protests over the weekend over back-to-back police killings of black men. the debate reaching a tipping point. we have it covered the only way this network can. let begin with victor blackwell live in >> reporter: poppy, good morning to you. the focus across the city today, healing. there is a vigil planned later today to pray for the families of those five officers killed and the survivors who made it out, but also we're learning from the police investigation as they release some details here about just how much carnage the shooter was planning to inflict. >> we're convinced that this suspect had other plans and thought that what he was doing was righteous. >> reporter: dallas police chief david brown telling cnn the killer was plotting larger scale attacks. >> he was going to make us pay

for what he sees as law enforcement's efforts to punish people of color. >> reporter: bomb-making materials and a journal found inside the home of the deranged gunman suggest he was practicing detonations and aiming for larger targets. >> the materials was such that it was large enough to have devastating effects throughout our city and our north texas area. >> reporter: police say the killer told them why he did it during a standoff, saying he was seeking revenge for the shooting deaths of two african-american men last week. cornered in a parking garage, negotiations with the killer lasted about two hours. >> he just basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many did he get and that he wanted to kill some more and there were bombs there. >> reporter: officers ultimately using a robot armed with a bomb to end the gunman's life, a first for law enforcement in the u.s. at the scene, an ominous message

written in the shooter's own blood on the walls near his body. the initials r.b., a message police are still trying to decipher. this as we're learning more about the five officers whose lives were cut short protecting a peaceful protest. >> no, not my baby. not my patrick. >> reporter: 32-year-old patrick zamarripa, the engaged father of two, was a navy veteran and just weeks away from his 33rd birthday. his family says his dream was to become a police officer. >> my brother loved his country and his community. i just can't wrap my mind around it. it's just so unreal. >> since day one, since he was born, he was a hero. he was my little hero. he's a big hero now. >> reporter: those who did survive the ambush are grateful to be alive. the dallas mother protected her four sons when shots rang out. she was hit in the leg as officers were shot in front of her. taylor thanking police for their heroism in the hail of bullets.

>> it hurt. of course i'm thankful that my babies are okay, but somebody's dad, husband isn't. >> reporter: we've learned that president obama and vice president joe biden will be arriving tomorrow morning for that city wide memorial. we've also learned recently that former president george w. bush and former first lady laura bush will be in attendance at that memorial. they live here in dallas, and the former president will also speak at that memorial. poppy? >> quite a sight it will be honoring the fallen. victor blackwell for us in dallas. thanks so much. more than 300 people were arrested over the weekend protesting police shooting deaths of two black men, one in louisiana, one in minnesota just in the last week. nearly 50 of those arrests in baton rouge after police officers locked up a very prominent black lives matter activist for 17 hours. let's go to nick valencia. he's live this morning in baton rouge. nick? >> reporter: good morning,

poppy. police here are on heightened alert. i think it's safe to say all across the country they are. demonstrations here in baton rouge entered their fifth straight day. the largest crowds we saw were over the weekend as police tell cnn organizers have come in from out of state to protest. protests over police-involved shootings growing louder and more widespread. thousands taking to the streets over the weekend in cities across the country. the demonstrations mostly peaceful. >> look at this. >> reporter: in atlanta, nearly 10,000 protesters shut down major highways. the standoff ending with few arrests. but elsewhere, violent clashes between heavily armed police and pr testers led to over 300 arrests. in baton rouge, police in full riot gear arresting over 100 protesters. >> this is private property.

>> reporter: and storming on to people's front lawns. >> no, no, no, no! >> reporter: thousands on social media sharing this photo of a young woman stoic as officers rush towards her. activist deray mckesson was among those arrested friday night. he's a prominent face of the black lives matter movement, released 17 hours later. >> i remain disappointed in the baton rouge police, who continue to provoke protesters. >> reporter: in st. paul, minnesota, saturday night, protesters throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at officers from a freeway overpass after shutting it down, according to police. >> it's certainly not life threatening, but they're significant enough to go to the hospital. >> reporter: one officer suffering a broken vertebrae after a 25-pound rock was dropped on his head. >> i'm absolutely disgusted by the acts of some.

>> reporter: the shooting death of alton sterling, that black man who died at the hands of two police officers, is still very fresh. police warn that that is the kindling for the chaos, and they expect more demonstrations to happen later today. chris? >> all right, nick. thank you very much. let's talk about what is hanging over this entire situation. we know the pain. we know why we're dealing with it. the question is, how do we deal with it? we have a good group of men to talk to about this right now. cnn law enforcement analyst and retired nypd detective, harry houck. also, marc lamont hill. chief, let me start with you. you know what the issues are. we know what the sophisticated problems are with policing different communities. when you think about changes that make a difference in terms of what happens in use of force situations, what comes to the

top of your list? >> first thing we have to look at is these protesters who are protesting, they're not protesting these specific instances. what i believe the majority of them are protesting, what they consider to be the injustices that have taken place in the criminal justice system for a long, long period of time. some of the changes i think law enforcement should take a look at, out of the -- in my opinion. 99% of the good cops, are they silenced by what i consider to be the negative police culture that prohibits them from speaking up. >> what's your answer? >> i think it is. i think a lot of cops want to speak out about the injustices that's putting a negative blanket on law enforcement. they're looking for something they can come out on. i think that we should look at that first and see, how do we support those officers from within? the true changes are going to come when law enforcement disciplines themselves. >> now, these issues that the chief points out, put some meat on the bones of that for us, marc. what do you think these issues are that need to be addressed? >> well, one, i think is a

culture of silence. what we call the blue wall of silence. there has to be a space where officers can come out and speak. first, let's take a step back and say we have to reject the 99% of cops are good argument. not because it's not true, but because it ignores the fact there's a systemic problem. we don't have a problem saying the school system is broken. we don't have to defend it quickly and say, hey, all the teachers are good. >> teachers don't get attacked and killed in response to what seems is a systemic problem. that's why you err on the side of saying this is a good thing, not a bad thing. >> intellectually, we have to never lose sight of the fact we're not blaming individual officers. we're talking about a system that's dysfunctional. so how do we switch the system? part of that is changing the laws. part of that is creating a mechanism of oversight so when a police officer does do something bad, we have a space to not have other police investigate them but instead wf civilian review boards. these types of things give us the kind of transparency we need. >> how real is it that if you were on the job and you knew a guy was dirty you would be

worried about coming forward because what if it's not, you know, a clean situation? what if it comes back on you? you need your brothers and sisters within the force to support yourselves. >> well, it's an issue, but when i was in internal affairs, we had this thing called the action desk. believe it or not, i think about over half the calls we got were from other police officers making allegations on police officers doing bad things on the street. but chris, this isn't a one-sided argument here. we're talking about three different things here, all about the police department. facts have got to matter. if we want to make some changes here in what's going on, the police have already recognized the fact that we have some issues that we've got to deal with, all right. now, the black community has got to also understand that they have issues they have to deal with, all right. this is not a one-way street here. you got police officers, the ferguson effect that we're dealing with today. it's because police officers are second guessed right away. we had the incident in louisiana

and in minneapolis. we don't know what happened there, especially what happened in minneapolis. the investigation is still going on. but to come out with the rhetoric that the police officers were racist when there's no evidence to indicate that racism was involved, has got to stop, all right. if that doesn't stop and this thing about the disparity of blacks and whites in jails, that's got to stop because i got statistics right here which will prove me right. in new york city alone, okay, blacks are 23% -- they make up 75% of all shootings, 70% of all robberies are, and 60% of all violent crimes, all right. the whites, only 3%. now, that is why there were more blacks in jail than there are whites. let me just finish here. then you go, all right. so we look at that statistic.

they turn it around, the racial demagogues out there, that the blacks are being picked on. so the facts in these statistics have to be addressed, and you've got to understand them. >> but both can be true. you wind up dealing with a community more because of socioeconomics and criminality. but the question still remains of how you deal with that community. >> can i respond to harry? >> please. >> there's a couple things. first, harry talked about the idea of people immediately second guessing the police. the police should be second guessed. they're public servants, and we're the public. just like we should second guess our politicians. >> he's saying don't automatically infer an assumption of racism. >> that's not what he said. we have to make that distinct n distinction. police should be subject to scrutiny. but because police have not been, at this point police are frustrated when you don't take their word as gospel right away. with camera phone technology, witness technology, we see they're not always telling the truth. to harry's second point that in

ferguson we immediately jumped up and said this is racism, we did an investigation. there's considerable evidence of racism in ferguson. it isn't true there was no evidence of racism. racist e-mails, racist phone calls. >> he's saying in this specific incident. >> three e-mails, i believe, that were racist, correct? >> harry, there's only like a hundred -- >> it doesn't matter. >> guys, guys, guys. >> i want to be able to respond. >> well, they are. >> you think black people are prone to criminality? you don't mean that. i'm going to give you a chance to correct that. >> what does this say? the chief can back me up. >> he's not going to say on national tv black people are prone to criminality. >> i am telling you 75% of all shootings are blacks. >> i'm hoping you don't know -- >> harry, marc. >> it's your narrative. that's what you do.

>> chief, make your point. >> first of all, i don't believe it. it's not true. the second thing -- >> it's racist. >> it is not racist. >> to say black people are prone -- >> that's not what i said. 75% of the shootings that occur in new york city are done by blacks. you keep on talking about this disproportionate amount of whites and blacks in jails. this is why. >> all right. guys, seriously. >> how about we don't yell? >> that's exactly what i want to say. >> this is a conversation that's not always easy to have. you're going to have clashes of perspective. we all know this, all right. if you do not have this conversation the right way, you do not move forward. you can discuss the difference between saying an entire race is prone to criminality, which i know is not what you mean, and that statistically -- >> that's what i was trying to correct. >> but marc, we need to give people some space right now and

need to think about -- >> but we're also on national television, and you can't say things like that. >> look at the numbers, marc. you don't want to pay attention to those numbers. >> we know the numbers are a function of a disproportionate level of criminality within the population that's represented. >> numbers are also dishonest. >> they're not dishonest. they're true. >> let's take one step at a time. >> it's your interpretation, which is wrong. >> harry, googling some numbers is different than talking to me. >> i didn't google numbers. this came from the nypd. these are nypd numbers. >> then they must be true. >> yes, they are. >> let me get to the chief. we're going to have lots of conversations on this. this is just a first step. >> just a point of reference. when you point to these racial demagogues, one thing that you should take into consideration, a lot of times the media is flocking to a couple individuals that may or may not be speaking for of the african-american community. the second thing is that if you look at that incident that took

place in baltimore, it took a year before that video was released. you had officers who did not identify their weapons, who filed reports stating something other than the facts. that's what people are talking about. they're not talking about any specific instances. what they're saying is that government and law enforcement had the opportunity to clean up the injustices that had been taking place in the criminal justice system, the bias and the racism, for decades and decades. it has not happened, and those need to be addressed. it doesn't mean that law enforcement does not serve all communities well. it means that changes have to be made, talks have to be stopped, and action needs to be taking place. bottom story. i think that's the issue we need to address. >> do you think that police departments are systemically racist? >> i think that there's a lot of systemic -- well, i'll give you one example. >> in the true definition of systemic. it means everybody is. >> that's not what it means.

>> it does. >> no, it does not. harry, you can't just make up words and define. them. >> you do. >> no, i don't. >> guys, you have to be able to talk to each other. let the chief finish, and then we're going to continue this conversation another time. go ahead, chief. >> i think the intent of the racism that takes place in law enforcement is overstated, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. one example i will give you is this. the new york city police department, which i think would be the most valued company, i'm a big, big supporter, we always stated we stopped people where the crime took place at. if you looked at where we did our vehicle check points, we did them primarily in african-american, latino communities. is that saying they drank more than others? when you present that data, you say, well, hold on, maybe we're doing things that we're not aware of. i think what protesters are saying is, let's all take a look because there are problems.

a problem doesn't mean you're all bad, doesn't mean that you're all good. if we sit down, kill a rhetoric, have some intelligent conversation, we can make a change for the better for all. >> we know each other very well. chief, you and i are getting to know each other better. you're going to be part of our conversation. we've got to take a breath, even when something that's said is completely wrong. we have to deal with each other the right way. i'm not in the business of lecturing you guys. you're here because i need you here. this is the first step of the conversation. thank you for starting it. i know there's a lot more that needs to be said. i do. i've lived this for a long time as well. let's take one step at a time, all right? marc is going to give it to me in the break. coming up in our next hour, we're going to talk to dallas police for the latest on the investigation. in our 8:00 hour, we're going to talk with retired tennis star james blake. you remember what happened to him with the cops? he has a take on what the challenges are that black men face today, even when they're famous. poppy? >> chris, such an important conversation. a change for the better for all

as someone said on my show last night. we owe it to our children. we're going to continue this conversation throughout the show and also talk about the two presumptive nominees, hillary clinton and donald trump, addressing the american people in the wake of what has happened in the last week. are they doing enough to really unify this country? what more could they do? what more must they do? that's next. ♪ 4 by 4 those who jump start the weekend. the ones who want to see it all... hear it all... and feel it all... all summer long. ♪ jeep renegade -- it's how we live 4 by 4 summer. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,

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a brutal attack on our police force is an attack on our country and attack on our families. >> there is too much violence, too much hate, too much senseless killing, too many people dead who shouldn't be. >> there they are, donald trump, hillary clinton, both the presumptive nominees, one of them will be the next president. are they doing enough right now? are they doing enough at all to bring this extremely divided nation together? let's talk about all of it. david gregory is with us. and cnn political commentator eril lewis. thank you for being here. i thought it was interesting over the weekend president obama said this nation is not as divided as it may appear right now. we heard from donald trump urging his supporters to stand

in solidarity with law enforcement, talking about the force between civilization and total chaos. then we heard from hillary clinton saying we need more love and more kindness. david gregory, to you first, given the state of the electorate right now, which of those messages hits home for people? >> well, i think they both do, and i think that in trump's case, his tone has been a little bit more measured than we've seen him on other issues, particularly in response to the orlando massacre. he is clearly making a statement about the importance of solidarity with law enforcement. but i think it's really important for both of them to recognize how they frame the conversation, how they speak about this becomes really important so that you don't have parts of the electorate from a political matter who just retreat to both sides. this is such a difficult conversation to have, and to do it politically in the heat of a campaign, even more difficult. they also have competition, frankly, which is they have the

president of the united states, who is a powerful voice on these matters, who is going to be lending that voice to this in the days and the weeks to come. so they're going to become part of that broader conversation and are going to try to find a way to fit in. >> how do they do that when this number shows us that many americans don't feel like either of these candidates are doing that? quinnipiac poll just came out a few weeks ago. 61% of those surveyed think that this election has increased a level of hatred and prejudice in the united states. 61%. and now you're asking the two presumptive nominees to dramatically differ their tone. >> well, it's not a hopeful time, i think. if you are expecting either of them to take the enormous political risk that would be involved in trying to resolve this very deep-seeded issue -- >> is this about politics? >> well, anybody who wants to try and pull something out and say this is bigger than politics

in an election season runs the risk of being judged right by history and wrong by the voters. we've come off multiple election cycles in which a very divided populous is trying to make up its mind and candidatings win by sort of drawing sharp contrasts and winning by 50% plus one. that's how george bush won twice. that's how obama has won. >> haven't we learned something since 1967, since the report came out and said something that echoes so much of what we're feeling today, and that is that we're headed towards two separate americas, one black, one white, and unequal. >> the truth of it i think nobody denies. nobody watching this would deny it. i think most of the political players understand the basic lay of the land. for a politician, however, their question is, how do i get from here to election day, and do i want to fall on my sword, sacrifice my political future, and say all the right things that might unify the country at the cost of losing the election? >> so let's talk about unity that we're seeing in the democratic party right now. david gregory, to you.

we've just learned moments ago that bernie sanders will join hillary clinton at a rally in new hampshire tomorrow. when you think back eight years ago to how president obama, before he was elected, and hillary clinton were able to come together, how do you think we'll see bernie sanders and hillary clinton come together given the fact they've had some pretty tough words for one another? >> right, but we saw this eight years ago as well. that's what campaigns are about. that will quickly melt away. for the clinton team, they wanted this. they wanted it as soon as they could get it. it seemed a little strained, but that was the case when she was getting out of the race. it took years for some of the clinton folks and obama folks to reconcile. so i think this is a very strong sign for her. don't forget, she's also been campaigning with elizabeth warren. she's already had this very important bridge to more progressive democrats. the level of enthusiasm, the level of support, i think bernie

sanders will have something to say about that and how forcefully he endorses her and the extent to which he campaigns with her in the weeks and months ahead. i think the impact he wanted to have was on the platform at the convention. you see her being pulled to the left more because of some of his popular positions, like on college tuition and the like. let's remember back to your original point that both of these candidates on the issue of unity, both have very high negatives, both are seen as divisive figures. whether it's the crime bill in the '90s or whether it's the issue of standing with the police, it's a very difficult line for a candidate to be able to walk, to be able to balance all the competing forces here. the legitimate claims of a activists. >> and bernie sanders got some things he wanted over the weekend, including hillary clinton and the party backing the $15 minimum wage. not everything, but we'll watch a new step in this election

coming tomorrow in new hampshire. gentlemen, thank you both. >> thanks. all right. so the attorney for the minnesota police officer who shot and killed philando castile insists the deadly encounter didn't have anything to do with race. so why does he believe the officer opened fire? that's next on "new day." i have asthma...

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welcome back to "new day." philando castile's mother calling for peace. protests there are turning violent. more than a hundred people were arrested after shutting down interstate 94 for hours. this comes as we learned castile was pulled over dozens and dozens of times. he got more than 50 citations. let's talk about it in the context of what we've seen over the last week. what a weekend there. >> reporter: yeah, definitely, poppy. those minor offenses i want to reference because many of them included the presence of no insurance for mr. castile and not having a driver's license. many of them were thrown out. it does raise the question of racial profiling, at least from

members here in the community. now, as far as the investigation goes, officials with the bca, the state agency overseeing this investigation, they say, well, they're being prompt, but this is going to take some time. i did have a chance to talk to attorney of the officer over the weekend. he says that this has nothing to do with race, that his client had to fire that gun because he says there was a gun produced in that traffic stop, and he also says that if mr. castile obeyed commands, this would have never happened. so there are a lot of different sides coming out as far as this investigation is concerned. he says yanez has cooperated with the bca investigation, but again it is going to take some time, chris. >> all right. thank you very much. this is a complicated situation,

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the attorney for the st. anthony police officer placed on administrative leave for the shooting death of philando castile tells cnn race was not a factor. instead, he's pointing to the presence of a gun in the stop, which castile did have a legal right to carry. let's discuss what we're dealing with as universe of fact and what are these bigger issues at play in this situation. police review advocate michael bell joins us. his son was shot and killed by police in 2004. he has ideas that he says will help this situation be safer. we also have attorney and president of the minneapolis chapter of the naacp with us

this morning. let me start with you. the state of play in terms of what's going on with the investigation. we know that in baton rouge, there's going to be a federal inquiry simultaneous with any other investigation. we hear it's only observational in minnesota. what do you understand to be the reality and the reasoning? >> well, governor dayton called for a federal investigation into this matter. my guess is that because of the concern surrounding the doj's response in the jamar clark shooting in november of last year that the federal government has decided to sit on the sidelines in this situation. many of us have declared that we do not have faith in the system as a result of the way in which the jamar clark case was handled. jamar clark was shot in the back of the head. the hennepin county attorney, mike freeman, chose to decline to bring charges against those

officers, and so did the federal government. so we do not trust in the system at this point. >> now, trust in the system is an issue. you also have the realities of the system, which happen to be a systemic problem here. by that, i mean federal charges are very limited in situations like this. state charges are abundant. there are lots of different things that could be charged. so the federal government often effectively has its hands tied until after an investigation what it can review how that investigation was done and see what civil rights violations could be at play there. lieutenant colonel, you are well aware of this and say that's why we need a fix in every one of these situations that triggers a unique process. explain. >> i'm a retired air force pilot. i had a son killed by a police officer. i feel the pain on both sides of the fence here. and i know this, that there are

two different systems. there's the law enforcement and there's aviation. they're very, very similar. but if you take a look at the data, aviation has had a round of success where law enforcement is almost in a national crisis. i'm saying that the system that's in place with the national transportation safety board and its investigative process is what needs to be transferred over to the law enforcement side. the problems are correctable. >> all right. well, let's take one more step down this road. so you have a situation like this where there's a use of force, there's a question of whether or not it was excessive, someone's dead. who's supposed to investigate? >> it has to be an outside investigation, an external investigation where other people that aren't associated with minneapolis police department come in there and collect the data. but then there needs to be an independent review. it can't just be civilians. it has to be people that understand policing. they need to be appointed by a

high-ranking elected official. that's the same way the national transportation safety board is run. they need to look at the circumstances and say, what were the factors at play, and how can we prevent this from happening again. was it a mechanical error? was there improper training? identify those factors and then implement them statewide so that way it can help reduce the occurrence of this from happening again. >> nakima, in your experience, does this sound like a workable solution, and why do you think it hasn't happened? >> well, here's the problem. in the state of minnesota when you think about the culture of policing, there is a widespread lack of accountability when it comes to officer-involved shooting cases and even with regard to excessive force cases. for example, the bureau of criminal apprehension, which is currently investigating the philando castile case and also investigated the jamar clark

case, has an abysmal record for holding officers accountable when they shoot civilians. this is our so-called independent agency within the state of minnesota, and they have not been doing an effective job at holding police accountable. that was a part of the reason that the minneapolis naacp called for an independent federal investigation into the shooting death of jamar clark. we said we cannot trust the minneapolis police department to conduct a fair and impartial investigation. we cannot trust the bureau of criminal apprehension to conduct a fair and impartial investigation. so what else can we do other than turn to the federal government? so i like the solution being proposed. the problem is it will be difficult to find law enforcement officers and agents in the state of minnesota who will be willing to hold police officers accountable. we may have to bring in experts from outside of the state in order to have some semblance of justice in this case. >> look, we've heard from you, mr. bell, on numerous occasions

about this. it's an idea others have picked up on as well, but it hasn't happened. some states have done it, but it hasn't happened. we're going to put pressure on this and find out why the system is how it is and could be better. thank you to both of you for having this conversation this morning. >> thank you. >> an important one. we're going to change topics now. and look ahead to rio, the olympics. just a few weeks away. team usa gymnastics is et. it's a mix of new and some familiar faces. we'll have details ahead in the bleacher report.

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let's bring in coy wire. he has this and more in the bleacher report. >> the party might still be going on in portugal today, but it didn't look that way early on in the european championship. the nation's goal scoring super star, one of the best players in the world, cristiano ronaldo, goes down with an injury in the first half. they're playing france, big-time favorites in this one. no ronaldo, no problem. game was scoreless until this moment. second period of extra time. the goal in the 109th minute gives portugal its first ever major tournament title. look at ronaldo's face. incredible victory for portugal in euro 2016. kobe bryant and gymnastics legend nadia kom knee chee were at the trials last night. what a show they witnessed. gabby douglas finished in seventh place with a couple of solid performances, including

the vault and uneven bars, enough to make her a selection of the five-person squad that will represent team usa in rio. they will be led by america's new sweetheart, simone biles. she straight up dominated. she has won the all-around title at the last three world championships, and she's considered a lock to win gold in rio. could win up to five of them if she can do what many think she will. now, a playoff should have decided the winner of the u.s. women's open, but it all kwam down to a controversial penalty. watch this. on the second playoff hole, cameras caught norquist unadvertently letting her club touch the sand in a fairway bunker. barely. that caused her a two-stroke penalty. the problem was the players weren't told about the penalty until they were in the middle of playing the final hole. lang sealed the win with a par putt while norquist made bogey to lose by three shots.

a little bit of drama but a great win nonetheless for lang in the end. >> absolutely. coy wire, thank you so much. we appreciate it. now back to our top story. calls for peace and justice, are they enough to keep protesters very angry over those police-involved shootings from becoming angry? scenes across the country this weekend. what more can be done to bring the sides together? a closer look at that ahead.

tensions are high. a nation is on edge after days of protests following the shooting deaths of two black men by police and the ambush that killed five dallas police officers and injured seven more. tensions remain high in communities across the kwucount. the question that everyone is asking this monday morning is how can we unite, how can we come together? joining me now is an organizer of the protest in dallas, where those police were attacked.

thank you for being with me. you said, look, some of those officers that work at the department right behind where you're standing right now possibly saved your life that night and the life of the other protesters. i want to play for our viewers something that you said on thursday evening in that protest before the police were attacked. let's listen. >> i know a preacher i admire tremendously, jeremiah wright. and i'm going to say, god damn white america. god [ bleep ] white america. white america is a [ bleep ] lie. i'm sick of the bodies of black and brown people being slaughtered in our streets. >> why did you choose those

words? what was your goal? >> sure, sure, sure. you know, i think it's very important. obviously that was part of a much longer speech, but i do think it's important that when you talk about god damn america or god damn white america, what i'm talking about is god damn these structures of racism that are continuing to oppress black and brown people across this nation. i mean, we have to -- >> it's just not what you said, sir. it's not what you said. >> hold on. let me finish. what i'm saying is there has to -- we have to move beyond white america to america. >> that's a message of unity, right? america as a whole. but that's not the message you used. i want to read for our viewers some of the other things that you've said to give them some context here. let's look at this. back in december of last year, you said, our laws allow for our

police to shoot first and ask questions later. in may, you said, the police are always prepared for a gunfight, we shouldn't be surprised when they actually get one. and then in april of 2015, you said, the judgment is coming, those police who contribute to spill the blood of black men will be held accountable. those are the same police, sir, that you say possibly saved your life on thursday night. what do you mean may be held accountability? what's the message there? >> sure. i think for me what i'm trying to say, it's a religious message. what i'm trying to say is that ultimately we have to begin to hold police officers who commit this type of brutality accountable, in my opinion spiritually, and certainly legally as well. we're at a point in time where there has to be dual hands of love and justice. if there's just calls for unity, calls for peace, and no calls

for justice, then i believe that we're going to continue to see the hate that we've seen in places like dallas and other places around the country. >> but what about many that would argue that the inflammatory language that you use that we just heard and we just saw does the opposite of that, contributes to hate? >> sure, and i think that -- absolutely. you know, everybody who is a part of what happened on thursday night and early friday morning were changed. there's no question about that. i think for me, you know, my language, while i continue to be direct and continue to, you know, really want to speak to a need for love and justice, we certainly have to be careful to really call for those two things specifically, love and justice. >> are you saying that thursday night the ambush of those police officers changed your language going forward? do you regret the words you used? >> i'm saying that it changed

myrmy life. i'm not talking about just my language. it's not lost on me that those police officers were running to save my life. i was running backwards to try to save other lives. i mean, it's a great experience. there's no question about that. i certainly want to be a person who is all about bringing the dual hands of love and justice. >> would you use those same words today, the words that you used, god damn white america, would you use those words today after the events of the last week? do they help this country? >> i mean, certainly i did -- obviously i didn't know, i had no ability to know what was going to happen. >> of course. >> as far as helping our country, i do think that it is important that we begin to say, what do we want to get rid of? i mean, the language of

damnation for the christian has always been about what do we want to get rid of, what do we want to purify ourselves from? i hope that what we want to purify ourselves from is hate and racism. now more than ever we feel that way. >> with all due respect, you didn't answer the question. would you use those words today? >> i think that i would use -- i hope to use a variation of that. there might be a real need to maybe push more, i guess, harder on the love piece and not just the justice piece. so yeah, i do feel very strongly about the need to really connect on love and justice. >> i hope we see a lot of love, a lot of people coming together certainly and justice as well in the weeks and months and years ahead. thank you very much for joining us, reverend hood. i appreciate it. >> i hope so too. thank you. all right. we're following a lot of news.

let's get right to it. >> he was going to target law enforcement and thought that what he was doing was righteous. >> a brutal attack on our police force is an attack on our country. >> there is too much senseless killing, too many people dead who shouldn't be. >> oh, my god. please don't tell me he's dead. >> if we would have never been in the wrong place at the wrong time, none of this would have happened. >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> this kind of behavior is unacceptable. >> as a people, as a race, as a united states, we all need to do better and change things. >> this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." alisyn is off. poppy harlow joining me this morning. good to have you, my friend. >> good to be back. >> we have a lot of news to talk about in dallas, where we're

learning more from police about the gunman who killed five police officers and injured seven others. the city's police chief says the army veteran was planning a larger attack. >> meantime, hundreds and hundreds were arrested in protests across the country over the weekend. many of those protests over the killings of two black men, one in louisiana, one in minnesota. the national debate about race and justice in this country hitting an inflection point, as many call for unity. we have it covered the only way this network can. let's begin with victor blackwell this morning live for us in dallas. good morning, victor. >> reporter: poppy, good morning to you. police say they found evidence or suggestions that this shooter had been practicing detonations before this attack on thursday night, which convinced them he planned for this attack to be so much larger. in his estimation, a righteous act of revenge. >> we're convinced this suspect had other plans and thought what

he was doing was righteous. he was going to make us pay for what he cease as law enforcement's efforts to punish people of color. >> reporter: bomb-making materials and a journal found inside the home of the deranged gunman suggest he was practicing detonations and aiming for larger targets. >> the materials was such that it was large enough to have devastating effects throughout our city and our north texas area. >> reporter: police say the killer told them why he did it during a standoff, saying he was seeking revenge for the shooting deaths of two african-american men last week. cornered in a parking garage, negotiations with the killer lasted about two hours. >> he just basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many did he get and that he wanted to qui e

some more. >> reporter: officers ultimately using a robot armed with a bomb to end the gunman's life, a first for law enforcement in the u.s. at the scene, an ominous message written in the shooter's own blood on the walls near his body, the initials r.b., a message police are still trying to decipher. this as we're learning more about the five officers whose lives were cut short protecting a peaceful protest. >> no, not my baby. not my patrick. >> reporter: 32-year-old patrick zamarripa, the engaged father of two, was a navy veteran and just weeks away from his 33rd birthday. his family says his dream was to become a police officer. his family says his dream was to become a police officer. >> my brother loved his country and his community. i just can't wrap my mind around it. it's just so unreal. >> since day one, since he was born, he was a hero. he was my little hero. he's a big hero now. >> reporter: those who did survive the ambush are grateful to be alive. the dallas mother protected her four sons when shots rang out.

she was hit in the leg as officers were shot in front of her. taylor thanking police for their heroism in the hail of bullets. >> it hurt. of course i'm thankful that my babies are okay, but somebody's dad, husband isn't. >> reporter: president obama and vice president joe biden will be here in dallas tomorrow to pay homage and honor those five officers killed and to help this community heal. we've also learned that dallas residents former president george w. bush and former first lady laura bush will be in attendance at that memorial, and the former president will speak to the crowd there. chris? >> victor, thank you very much. joining us now is the deputy chief of the dallas police department, malik aziz. thank you for joining us this morning. >> glad to be here. >> the role that the chief and the mayor have played in this situation has been indispensable.

how much coordination is going on to kind of help this community stay together at this time? >> i think what you've seen in this type of leadership from mayor mike rawlings and police chief david brown, it has given reassurance to this city. it has given the citizens of the great city of dallas a reason to embrace us and come forward, and behind me we see a major show of love from not only this city but cities across texas, the nation, and the world. so their leadership has been nothing short of impeccable and phenomenal. so we're leaning our our leaders, our mayor, and our police chief. we have to remain stoic. our mayor and our police chief have lost five officers in this city. no police chief wants to lose any officer doing his tenure. so it's a major, major blow to a

chief. you've seen him stand tall and keep his composure. as chairman of the national black police association, i'm proud to say that the mayor, mike rawlings, and our police chief david brown are showing this type of leadership to the world. >> how close do you think this situation came from blowing into something even bigger? how big do you think the plans were that this madman had? >> well, i think you heard from, you know, our chief yesterday and what he described and what we heard should have been shocking. i think that we were fortunate to disrupt this. we were fortunate to be able to not go through something of a terrible ordeal because i think what he was planning, he used black lives matter as an opportunity to seek some further

havoc. if he would have been able to carry that through, then we would have saw probably mass devastation from the description from our chief. i think we're fortunate that he was not allowed to do that, playing with explosives or building with explosives is no light matter. it's scary. he used a peaceful protest of 1500 to 2,000 people that was at the culmination. he plotted, he planned. he was looking for a greater destruction. he just used that as the foundation for carrying it out. i don't think this city would have recovered from something like that for a long time. >> the tactic of how you got rid of this guy, using the robot with the explosive, i don't think we've ever seen that before. what went into the thinking of using that, and is it a new technique that you guys have?

>> well, i don't speak on things lightly with dallas police and speaking from my perspective as the national chair. i was the former squad commander here in dallas. sometimes extreme measures like this, extreme circumstances will call for extreme measures. i've heard our police chief say he would make that decision again. i would fully stand by that decision because when you're boots on the ground and you're inside of that -- and i've be there. you have to trust your people to make a call. i would much rather see us not sacrifice another officer and have another fallen hero and use that kind of means. i'm sure it will be studied by s.w.a.t. operations and police chiefs around the nation and criminologists and others, but those are the kind of things you have to do in order to stop someone who is acting in an insane manner who had put down five officers. he killed five officers, and he

was ready to kill more. so i would say readily that we needed to meet that kind of force with a greater amount of force to stop that threat. unconventional? yes. but unnecessary? i don't think so. >> he killed five, shot seven more. he shot civilians and obviously he had bigger plans. seems to be no questioning that assumption. let me ask you something else. there is a very terrible irony involved in this situation that dallas was the location where police officers were killed for doing their job, but dallas is also a city that has shown tremendous progress and wherewithal in dealing with many of the systemic issues that are driving protests all over this country. what was done in dallas, what did you learn about policing and policing specifically in black areas that reduced the numbers of excessive force?

>> i think from dallas since 1993 when community policing was introduced, it's gotten better under chief bolton, and chief brown expanded and expounded upon community policing and engageme engagement. we went down to areas, socioeconomic depressed areas, and decided he would reach down and pull in the youth. we have robust youth programs. we engage the community at every angle. we try to have a conversation about policing and community and show people the citizens here that we are part of the community, the fabric of the community. our chief grew up here. he was here. i grew up here from the southern side of town. so we have commanders here who have embraced this city. we come from this city. we were birthed in this city. these are the kind of interactions that we can speak to youth about. we can speak to a wide range of

young adults and have an interesting dialogue about where we're going in the future and what it means to be in this city and make this city a progressive city. we don't push away from the tough conversations. i will be the first to say we're not without our errors, we're not without our flaws, we're not flawless, no police department is. but what we seek to do is have a dialogue based upon what we've done in order for us to get better. the only way for us to get better is to talk about some of the things that we have done wrong, some of our failures. we need to embrace those successes also. >> well, malik aziz, it sounds simple, hard to achieve, and not done enough across this country. thank you for being with us this morning. >> chris, can i add this? >> please. >> you know, the violence that was visited upon our city with the killing of five police officers here, i want to say because around the nation people are suffering and people are

upset. the castile family and sterling family have suffered losses in a different way. but in violence as a means to an end, we should find some kind of silver lining in us having a dialogue to progress this great country. dallas didn't have anything to do with those things that happened in minnesota and louisiana. as we can put these community policing, community engaging in the bank. but it came back to visit us, even though we're doing a robust job here. it came back to visit us, and we didn't have anything to do with that. but we're all one now. 800,000 police officers are not monolithic. 18,000 police departments, we're not monolithic. but those things came back to visit us, so it would tell us policing community all over this nation, we're in this together and we must resolve this together. >> important point to make. thank you for making it. we'll talk again. >> absolutely important conversation. also over the weekend, more than 300 people were arrested across the country. they were protesting those two police shooting deaths of two

black men in louisiana and minnesota. nearly 50 of the arrests were in baton rouge last night. that's where we find our nick valencia this morning. good morning, nick. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. it has been no doubt an emotionally exhausting week all across the country. here in baton rouge, that has been underscored by a series of demonstratio demonstrations. in the last three days, nearly 200 arrests in this city alone. police attribute that in part to organizers who have arrived here from out of state to protest against police. protests over police-involved shootings growing louder and more widespread. thousands taking to the streets over the weekend in cities across the country. the demonstrations mostly peaceful. >> look at this. >> reporter: in atlanta, nearly 10,000 protesters shut down major highways. the standoff ending with few

arrests. but elsewhere, violent clashes between heavily armed police and protesters led to over 300 arrests. in baton rouge, police in full riot gear arresting over 100 protesters. >> this is private property. >> reporter: and storming on to people's front lawns. >> no, no, no, no! >> reporter: thousands on social media sharing this photo of a young woman stoic as officers rush towards her. activist deray mckesson was among those arrested friday night. he's a prominent face of the black lives matter movement, released 17 hours later. >> i remain disappointed in the baton rouge police, who continue to provoke protesters. >> reporter: in st. paul, minnesota, saturday night, protesters throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at officers from a freeway overpass after shutting it down, according to

police. >> it's certainly not life threatening, but they're significant enough to go to the hospital. >> reporter: one officer suffering a broken vertebrae after a 25-pound rock was dropped on his head. >> i'm absolutely disgusted by the acts of some. >> reporter: this week the country was seemingly strangled from within by violence. all of it started with the shooting death of alton sterling at the hands of two police officers. that shooting death still very fresh in people's minds. police here anticipate even more demonstrations. poppy? >> nick valencia live in baton rouge. appreciate that, nick. coming up in the next half hour, an interview you won't want to miss. we speak with retired tennis star james blake about his mistaken arrest in new york city, the excessive force he faced, and what's happening in america today. >> so we have to deal with the problems. you also have to deal with your kids. how do you talk to your children about race and policing?

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hundreds of arrests over the weekend in protests across this country over the deaths of two black men at the hands of police. shocking videos of their death igniting a national debate on race and policing in this country. a very important discussion to have and action to be taken. let's talk about it with the mayor of new york city, bill de blasio. he joins us this morning along with his wife, the first lady of new york. thank you both for being here. i appreciate it very much. you spent yesterday morning, sunday morning, at church at st. patrick's cathedral here in new york city. you said something that struck me. you said, we have no choice but to build something better in our time. i think about that as a new mom for my child. you think about that for your children. we saw at least 20 demonstrators arrested here in new york city last night. what's your message to them about how we build something better? >> i think it's partly

retraining our police, helping our police understand there's implicit bias in all of us in this country, and that we have to work to get that bias out of our system. that's across all backgrounds. it's about bringing police and community together. we're instituting neighborhood policing in this city for the first time in a truly comprehensive manner. police officers will serve the same people all the time. >> people say, why don't we always have that? it's a very expensive thing to do, a very difficult thing to do, but a very necessary thing to do. i'm interested in the conversations that you've had, both of you, with your children, with your son about this. what do you say? >> we say the same thing that so many parents across the country say to their children, and that is to be respectful, be careful, and to always know where you are

and have some situational awareness about the people around you. it's so important for our young people to hear. and these are conversations bill has had much more than i have. >> so on that, what does donte say to you? is he scared? i've had a number of people on my show last night, and their children have come to them, african-american children, and said, i'm scared right now. >> i think in some ways it's worse than that. it's so ubiquitous. it's an assumption. this is something we have to come to grips with. i think all of us in white america have to understand better that young men of color live in fear all the time. it's something that we have to heal. it's something we have to overcome if we're going to move forward as a country. when i talk to donte, it's come to the point that he assumes that this is a part of life and a part of the reality. it doesn't mean he's hopeless. it doesn't mean that he doesn't want to be a part of changing

the world, but i think it's a very simple equation. if you have white children, you don't need to give them that particular warning. you've got to prepare them for a lot of other things in life, but you don't have to give them that particular warning. it gets back to -- you understand, we honor our police, we need our police, but we have to have a very different relationship with police around the country, and police have to be trained to understand how to work with communities consistently and how to defuse potential situations. >> let's listen to what police commissioner bill bratton said yesterday on nbc's "meet the press" about the black lives matter movement, which has been the center, the organizing force behind a lot of these protests. it's so important to say condemned immediately the killing of those officers in dallas. i don't think that's said enough, that the movement came out and condemned that violence. here's what bill bratton said. >> the reality of the black lives matter movement is significantly focused, primarily

focused on police and their efforts to portray police and the police profession in a very negative way, which sun fortunate. there are 800,000 of us. we have racists, we have brutal people, we have criminals, cops who shouldn't be here, but they do not represent the vast majority of american police. >> do you, mayor, agree with your police commissioner on that statement about the black lives matter movement as it relates to police? >> when you hear the whole statement, i appreciate the fact that he's saying that we have vast majority of police officers doing their job. we have some who don't belong in the profession like every profession. i think what the protesters are doing is really about the few who don't belong. we spend a lot of time working as activists and trying to change the world, so i have a respect for the black lives matter movement. i think that movement, just the very phrase black lives matter, has changed the national

discussion. now, as with any movement, there's some people i don't agree with, but i have to tell you, they've changed the national discussion for the better. they did stop and have a moment of silence for the officers lost in dallas. just like the officers in dallas, when bullets were raining down on them, their first impulse was to protect the protesters. so we've got to find these examples of hope and possibility here, and that movement has helped move the national discussion forward. >> but what commissioner bratton said in part is, he said the movement is, quote, primarily focused on police and their efforts to portray police and the police profession in a very negative way. >> see, i would -- >> we have a different perspective. >> what's that? >> black lives matter is a force for good. it's about peaceful protests. it's about shining a light on the problems that we have in race relations across this country. we've had a history of it. it has not gone away, but we haven't had enough positive action taken on making change.

i am very encouraged by the black lives matter movement. i think that this is such a force for good, to have so many young people and older people too, engaged and being civically minded and participating in the conversation of our country is so important. >> and we can't move forward without it. that conversation is a prerequisite to the progress we have to make. >> before i let you go, i want you to listen to something. charles blow, a contributor here at cnn and columnist at "the new york times," after he was on cnn last night took to facebook live and made an eight-minute statement about his thoughts about what's going on in america. here's a part that stood out to me. let's play it. >> these conversations and debates that you have on television trick people into believing that there is a way to rationalize these dead bodies, that they can make a case that those dead bodies are simply the

collateral damage in a justified and honorable attempt to keep society safe. this is about all of you, and that includes you, white america. at the moment that most americans say this is unacceptable to us, these killings will stop. >> his argue, mayor, is that police forces are a reflection of the societies in which they exist and that white america, or much of america, is not doing enough to say it has to stop. is he right? >> he's right in the sense that white america doesn't understand the extent of the problem. as i said, and we know it from our own son, when the most law-abiding, hard-working young man you could imagine, but he has to worry. we've got to overcome that. how do we make a society whole? we make a society whole by everyone having a common standard. we value all our young people. we don't care what color they are. they are the future of this

country. it comes down to the safety we need actually revolving around us. we have a greater consciousness. the conversation just in the last year or two in this country has moved forward a lot. i think white america will participate in that change. i think people are saying more and more they don't want to see these things happen anymore. what charles blow is talking about is accurate. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about something very close to your heart. that's treating mental illness and drug addiction. it's been one of your main focuses throughout. a bill passed in the house on friday. you're hoping it will make it through the senate and to the president's desk. what can you tell us about that? >> absolutely. i want people to call their congress members and tell them to get the president to sign this. let's pass this bill. we need much more attention paid on mental health. we need more services for

everyone. you know, i can't say enough about the folks who have gotten this to the place where it is. we need mental health. what can i say? >> we'll watch and see what happens. thank you both for coming in. we appreciate it. chris? >> poppy, good talk to have. we need to have many more like them. remembering a fallen comrade. we're going to talk with dallas officials about how the community paid its respects to a transit officer killed in the dallas police ambush. we're also going to get an update on the condition of three wounded officers. that's next. you both have a

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that ambush in dallas left three dallas transit officers injured. d.a.r.t. tragically lost officer brent thompson, the first to be killed in the line of duty in their 27-year history. thompson's family just released a statement reading in part, our hearts are broken by thursday's events. thank you also for the support you've shown brent's d.a.r.t. police colleagues, officers cannon, mcbride, and retana, who were also wounded. please keep all police in dallas and across america in your thoughts and prayers as they deal with the consequences of that horrible night. your support will help keep us strong in the coming days and weeks. joining us now, d.a.r.t. chief james spiller and d.a.r.t. president and executive director gary thomas. gentlemen, it is good to be with you. i'm sorry it is under these circumstances. what can you tell us about the

officers you have who are still wounded? >> they're doing well. we're making sure we're taking care of them as well as officer thompson's wife. i've spoken with them as early as night and will be speaking with them again this morning, just checking with them. we have officers assigned to them. there's just an outpouring of support for their well being and care, and they're doing great. >> so you expect full recoveries? can we say that at this point? >> yes. >> all right, good. that's good to know. in a bad situation, at least there's some chance that things are going to improve on that level. gary, what are you telling people about what to make of what happened there? and not just what it means to d.a.r.t., but what it means to the culture of law enforcement. >> well, our officers did what they're trained to do. when i say our, dallas police department, d.a.r.t. police

department. they did what they were trained to do. you know, you can go through so many drills, you can read the books, you can practice, but until it happens, you really don't know. that happened to us thursday night. us as a community. as people have said, this is not the community we know. this is not our city. this is -- it's incomprehensible. but the officers protected the people around them first and then they ran toward the gunfire to deal with the situation. so they did what they were trained to do, but five of them paid the ultimate price. >> chief, you know the bigger conversation that's happening. we're well aware of the irony that these officers were murdered in dallas, a police department and force that's worked to hard to make such progress in a major city that has major city type issues. what are you telling others, and

what are you thinking yourself about where this situation has to go to make something like what happened in dallas and any of these excessive force cases that we hear about a thing of the past? >> well, i think first and foremost, the president commissioned a task force, the task force on 21st century policing. in there were recommendations. those recommendations stem all the way from the federal level to the state level to the local municipalities and the communities as well as the police. that's a starting point. i can say for north texas as well as the state of texas policing, we're taking those to heart. we're implementing those. it's changing the culture. one of those things is community engagement. they emphasize recommendations for the community, and their relationship with policing and how to amend some of those bridges, some of those gaps we

have right now, communication. >> community policing has come up, i think, for decades as something that works. yet, gary, as you know and as the chief knows as well, it's almost the first thing that gets cut in budgeting when it comes to law enforcement. how do we stop that? if we know it works but we know it's expensive and doesn't show up as easily on stats that help justify a budget, how do you do something that works even when it winds up being vulnerable to budgets? >> that's certainly the challenge. you go through your budgets and you're weighing all the things that you need to do that you have to do that you should do, that you could do. that's one of those things that we just have to be ever vigilant on. that's something that while it shouldn't take this kind of event to remind us of that, it will. as we look at this event, look at what can we take out of this,

what can we take and learn from as we move forward, that's one of those things to make sure that we do budget, put the appropriate amount of money in our budgets to do the community policing, to make sure that we're interacting with our customers, with the community around us, that we develop that relationship. so i think that's something, again, that it shouldn't take this to move forward, but we should learn from it. >> chief, let me just say that this is just one conversation in a much longer dialogue. we obviously care tremendously about the loss of your officer, thompson, and those who were hurt. but how we make this something we never have to repeat is just an important a discussion. we look forward to continuing it with both of you gentlemen. thank you for being with us, and i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. >> thank you. >> poppy? >> the rash of police shooting deaths and the dallas ambush

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racial tension is nothing new, but it is growing in america over the past week. thousands have been taking to the streets reminding some of

the 1960s civil rights protest. is the country as racially divided now as it was then? let's discuss. cnn political commentator, "new york times" columnist mr. charles blow, along with georgetown professor, new republican contributing editor and author, michael eric dyson. gentlemen, couldn't think of two better guys was to this conversation with. what is your gut response to the proposition, charles? where are we in terms of racial unity, harmony, any positive word you want to use? >> well, i think what's happening at this moment is kind of young people awakening to something that has always existed, and they're realizing how it impacts their lives and they're kind of rejecting that and responding to that. i think that awakening itself, you know, you can separate that from the protests or violence or whatever. that awakening itself is actually a very positive thing

because only positive can come out of knowledge. so you have a lot of new literature around the subject. you have a lot of scholarship, a lot of new discussion. that's a positive thing. how we take that positive enlightenment period and move it into something positive in terms of relations is another issue. i think that is our challenge. >> professor, can you give me a plus and minus to how what we had to fight through in the '60s compares to today? >> well, look, there's no question that in the context of american history, the development and evolution of consciousness that mr. blow has referred to has been precipitated by dramatic events. martin luther king jr., ella baker, all those great heroes of the 1960s portrayed an america that was deeply and profoundly divided between black and white. we know race is much bigger than the black/white divide, but the

black/white divide has been the major artery through which the blood of bigotry has flowed. those differences were huge then. we didn't have the right to vote for african-american people. we didn't have the right to assemble peaceably. police brutality was atrocious then. the death of black people by lynching, castration, and the like. all of that precipitated a movement that really argued for it the rights of black america and integrated us into the fabric of american society. what we have now is undeniably a far better circumstance in regard to the right to enjoy, in regard to the society that's been changed, we now have an african-american who's the president. but i don't want to say that's cosmetic, but it's a symbolic change that has not yet trickled down into the masses of african-american people and not only that, into the masses of american society. we have a black police chief in dallas. we have a black head of d.a.r.t. yet, the system itself has afforded the opportunity to

these black faces, but the system itself continues to perpetuate a legacy of inequality. what we have to do is measure our own progress, not simply from the '60s, but to getting closer to the ideals of democracy, freedom, and justice that all americans should enjoy. >> president obama, the professor mentioned that we have a black president. he has the hardest time with racial politics because people will suggest he can't win. if he says anything, the black community says not enough. white community says that's all he cares about. what should he be saying right now? he said, this is not who we are, america is unified. obviously people aren't accepting that notion, but what's the right space for him to occupy? >> it's hard for me to give him advice on this. >> from your perspective. >> on that point, i actually have been encouraged by a lot of what he has said, quite frankly. the problem is that rhetoric or

kind of discussion even from him is not going to fix this, right. this is a systemic thing that existed long before him. it will exist after him. there's actually not much he can do to steer that particular ship in the right direction. i do believe that he's been measured, and it's been interesting to see him evolve on his willingness to engage on this issue over the eight years that he's been in office. but i do think we have to take it out of him and remember that it's bigger than him, remember that it is systems we're talking about and not necessarily about people. i heard you guys -- people were kind of arguing before about systemic racism, as if systemic racism means a system rife with individuals who are racist rather than the systemic racism being a system that allows individuals not to have to worry about whether or not they are racist because it works on its own. >> but that is a complexity that

many ignore or that they're not aware of or don't want to be aware of. i'll tell you something, professor. if i can remove this from the theoretical to the practical for a moment, i keep hearing one thing that's a point of resistance which has to be addressed within the culture of policing. of course, race is much bigger than just policing. as you said, it becomes a flash point. here's what i hear from police officers and people who are in one way sympathetic to their cause. police officers deal with blacks the most, they create the most crime, they're in their areas the most, and they are disrespectful to police and that's why they have these problems. now, whether or not that is true, it exists as a notion. what do you do with that notion? when i state it as a proposition, what's the way to deal with this that can create conversation, that can create progress? >> we'd have to ask some very difficult questions that many white americans don't have to face, white men in particular. why is that women who

participate in those same streets, who police in those same streets don't end up killing black people? why is it that black police officers for the most part are not the ones involved in police-involved shootings? why is it that an overwhelming disproportionate number of people who are murdered by police, killed by police, happen to be killed by white men? if it was anything else, we'd be objective. we'd look at this through the empirical lens of our scientific analysis and conclude there must be a particular interaction between white male police officers and the masses of black people that they police that leads to some kind of interaction. now, if we want to deny history, we can pretend that we don't know what that is. the vicious stereotypes that prevail in american culture, that manifest themselves in racial profiling have a lethal consequence when interactions occur between white male police officers and black people in the streets. and then let me say this about

the president. i, too, believe the president is in a difficult position, but let me tell you the problem with his particular position. there is no doubt that the president is doing the right thing by going to dallas, but he should also go to louisiana, and he should also go to minnesota. why? to show that he is concerned about the american nation as a whole. when people say, you know what, if he speaks about race, he gets blowback, can you name me one subject about which the president speaks that he doesn't get blowback about? he gets blowback about everything. so if you get blowback about everything, allow your principles to regulate your behavior. allow your insight to guide you. he is one of the greatest minds when it comes to race. he wrote one of the greatest memoirs in history "dreams from my father," that deals with the complexity, the nuance, the sophistication of race. we need that president. courageous, bold, articulate, and willing to endure whatever criticism he may have to endure in order to lead this nation forward. he does not owe that simply to african-american people. he owes that specifically to white people, to challenge them

in the most loving challenge th >> professor, michael eric dyson, charles blow, you deserve that qualification as much as any. this was helpful. we need more. we'll do more. thank you, gentlemen. poppy. absolutely, we need more of it and we'll do more on this network. the racial tension takes a heavy toll on children. how do parents talk to their black sons about what's going on in this country, and how about to interact with police. three mothers will join me live next to talk about these issues that they're dealing with. they're living with, right now. and these are the lungs. (boy) sorry. (dad) don't worry about it. (vo) at our house, we need things that are built to last.

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i don't even go to sleep until my children come home. my grown children come home at night. i keep my clothes on, my wife will tell you, in case they need me in the middle of the day. or in the middle of the night. and i just do not understand, we love our children. we love our parents, mothers, fathers, they're brutalized, and nobody says anything. it is too much. it is too much.

>> that was d.l. hughley, talking about a sentiment that many parents of black children are feeling in this country right now, especially in the wake of those police involved shooting deaths in minnesota and louisiana. how and when do these parents discuss these issues with their children. what's the right age. what's the right setting. what do you say. i'm joined by three mothers who are dealing with that dilemma right now. alana hackshaw and ms. brinkley. i kept -- when i heard we were doing this segment, i was so glad we were having this conversation, and at the same time, i thought about it personally. i'm a new mom, i have a 3 month old, and i don't have to have this conversation. that's not right. that's not fair. that's not america in 2016. but that's the reality. so let's talk about the conversations you're having, and how all of us, all of us can

help. alan tha you've been trying to shield your son from the news, he ran to you and said i'm scared and ask if the police were going to kill him. what do you say? >> you know, to be honest, i was taken aback, because we've tried to shield him from the news. but i think with the -- what has happened in the last week or so, you know, as for us coping, we want to be informed. we have the tv on, and i had to step back and you know, i told him, i said nothing is going to happen to you. mom and dad are here for you. but what was hard for me is that i actually had to have that conversation with my son. >> at five years old. >> explicitly, he was like mommy, because i'm brown, could this happen to me. and so it's heart wrenching. it really is. >> your son is 12 years old. he looks much older. he is almost 6 feet tall, 200

pounds, and that plays into the conversation you have as well with him, right. you said there is no blueprint for this. >> right. no one told me, and my son is very athletic, so he looks older than 12 and a half, but no one told me when you have child, when you have son, this is the conversation you have to have. you have to tell them to -- how to conduct themselves where he is not a suspect. i didn't know that. in talking to my friends, no one told us. it is something that is engrained that, you know, maternal instinct kicks in and certain things, you're policing your own children basically. >> you said there is a game that he plays with his friends, where they run to ring the doorbell and then run away. >> right. >> and that scared you. >> he was introduced to it and i never heard of it before. he came home and i don't know if you're familiar, but when he said it to, i don't know if he called it cherry cherry or

dingdong ditch. it is a prank. you ring the doorbell and run. kids do it. so he came ex excited, mom, guess what i just played. as soon as he said it, my face kind of went stoic. i said you cannot play that game. it breaks my heart even now. he was having fun. i said you can't. he said why. because when your friend plays the game and he is running away, he is going to go home. there is a probability he'll go home with his mom. when you play it, you won't come home to me because you're going to be seen as a black male running from a staranger's home. my neighbors say no, we dwowoult do that. but you can't do certain things because you're considered suspicious or suspect. >> natasha, what about you, these aren't conversations you've had yet. these are conversations you're

preparing to have. at the same time, is there a message you want to send about most officers, many officers are good people, there to protect you and to try to form that bond? >> absolutely. i mean, as my son grows up, i definitely want him to be able to go to the police, not run from them, or have a sense of fear in their presence. >> what will you say? >> you know what, the police officers are here to do a job. they're here to serve and protect. that's just not for one set of people. they're here to serve and protect us all. if you do have a problem, it is right to go to your police officer. so i would definitely have that kind of conversation. >> you said at the same time, you feel like innocence has been lost. >> absolutely. you know, children, we have to have conversations younger than what we anticipate with our interaction with cops. before, you know, you were having a conversation at 15 or

16. now we've got to have this conversation at 7 and 8. i mean, that's not -- the childhood innocence is gone. we're supposed to be playing and riding bikes, but now i have to teach him that you have to be careful out there. >> let me pose this, alana, as we wrap up. is this a conversation that every parent, regardless of race should have with their child in the context that is fitting to their situation? is this a conversation that should happen outside of black homes as well, so people are aware of what you're going through? >> well, yes, absolutely. i mean, we all know there are conversations black parents have with their children, but as we're witnessing what is happening, in order for us to come together, the conversation needs to be had in all households, that sometimes there are a different set of rules for black children versus white children. this is what you need to understand about your fellow americans. so that begins to, i hope,

bridge a divide or a gap lack of information and lack of understanding. we all need to be having these conversations. >> until we get to a day when we don't. >> yes. >> thank you so much, alana, natasha, april. >> thank you. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. the suspect had been practices explosive detonations. we're convinced the suspect had other plans. >> this is deeply troubling and it should worry every single american. >> when the officers, the ones that are hurting, who do we call. >> justice will be served in minnesota. >> racial divisions have gotten worst, not better. >> why is he being arrested? >> he didn't do anything. >> this is not how we want our communities to operate. >>announcer: this is "new day"

with chris kwoem ma and alisyn camerota. poppy harlow joins me, and again, it deserves a second, we're so desperate for good news. you like you're 16-year-old old. the baby is sleeping through the night and your husband is on the job. >> sienna, three months old, baby was asleep, dinner was on the table. good muss. >> amazing. a man after my own heart. >> i was never like that. we begin with hard news in dallas. we're learning more about the frightening plans of a gunman who killed five police officers. he had much bigger ideas. the city's police chief now says the killer was planning a large attack. >> at the same time, hundreds were arrested in protests, this, after the back-to-back police killings of young black men in minnesota and louisiana. the national debate about race

and justice in this country reaching an inflection point. we have it all covered, only the way that cnn can. let's begin this morning with victor blackwell. he is live in dallas. good morning, victor. r >> reporter: poppy, good morning. there is a vigil planned today. this, as police are revealing details showing this shooter planned an even larger a ta, practicing detonations. >> we're convinced the suspect had other plans and thought that what he was doing was. >> he was going to make us pay for what he sees as law enforcement's efforts to punish people of color. >> reporter: bomb making materials and a journal found inside the home of the gunman

suggested he was practicing detonations and aiming for larger targets. >> the material was large now you have have devastating effects throughout our city and our north texas air area. >> reporter: the police say the killer told them why he did it, cornered in a parking garage, negotiations lasted about two hours. >> he basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us. singing. asking how many did he get, and that he wanted to kill some more, and there were bomb there is. >> reporter: officers using a robot, a first for law enforcement in the u.s. at the scene, an ominous message written in the shooter's own blood, the initials "r.b." police are trying to decipher

it. >> no, not my baby. not my patrick. >> 32-year-old patrick zamarripa, the engaged father of two, and weeks away from his 33rd birthday. his family says his dream was to become a police officer. >> my brother left his country and his community. i just can't wrap my mind around it. it is just so unreal. >> since day one he was born, he was my little hero. and he is a big hero -- he is a big hero now. >> reporter: those who did survive the ambush are grateful to be alive. the dallas mother protected her four sons when shots rang out. she was hit in the leg, as officers were shot in front of her. taylor, thanking police for their heroism in the hail of bullets. >> it hurt, of course, i'm thankful. my babies are okay. but somebody's dad -- >> reporter: now, this memorial

behind me has continued to grow with flowers and notes from people around the city and state. the big memorial event is tomorrow here in the city. president obama, vice-president biden will be flying here to dallas to attend that. we also know that dallas residents, former president george w. bush, and laura bush will be at the event as well, abld the former president will speak at the event tomorrow. >> joining us now is the former mayor of dallas and trade ambassador under president obama. thank you for being on new day "today." >> good morning, thank you for your concern and the concerns being expressed through your audience to what has happened here in our city. >> well, it is always unfortunate that it takes the worst to make people realize what is going on in different situations. let me ask you something. what is your biggest hope and what is your biggest concern about what these horrible murders will mean to the dallas

community? >> well, i'll start with my biggest, hope. and i know it may seem completely counterintuitive to some people against this backdrop. but chris, as we have this conversation, we need to have about how we make sure that when we have encounters among the two most nervous people, and that's for the most part, young black men and police officers, that they each give the one thing all of us want. they get to go home safe. but for all of the discussion about policing and how we make it work better, dallas is a great example of how to do it right. the rally that occurred here thursday night, by all accounts is peaceful as any as we have had. it was the third of these rallies in response to police shootings elsewhere. and from everybody that i talked to, people in my church and law enforcement community, i mean,

everybody was working hard to get their message across, but do so in a peaceful and safe manner. then we had this horrific tragedy. now, my fear is what all of us fear. those who dwell in the dark corners of the internet and look for any excuse to execute their own preverse brand of justice will somehow see this as a furth furtherance of their argument that they should execute more violence against the police and/or against young african-american males. and lord knows, that's not what we need it. >> leadership matters. your police chief there, your mayor have been exemplars of coming together and saying the right things and saying the hard things. what do you think we've heard from those who want to be the next president? do you think we're hearing enough? the types of things we need to

hear? >> you know, chris, no disrespect to you, one of the things that frustrates me most about the media, you all want to conflate everything into a national presidential issue. what i would rather hear, i would be honest from both of the candidates, including the one i support right now, is empathy and quiet and calm. policing is the ultimate responsibility, or at least policing at this level, is the ultimate responsibility of mayors and police chiefs. it is what we live with. it is our first order of business. yes, we want support. but i would rather have them be silent and thoughtful, and empathetic. it has troubled folks for years. the reality, this has plagued

relations between the police and communities of color. >> that's true. >> we have video now. >> that's one difference. >> i would rather they take the -- i would rather they be more supportive of what is going on at the local level right now. i hope they don't say anything to inflame it. >> ron, what's the reality, though? you've lived it, i've lived it. politicians avoid it, because it is complex, because it is hard. they avoid it. sometimes -- >> chris, you and i are friends, but mayors don't get to avoid it. i mean, that's the one thing, the joy and challenge of being a mayor, you don't get on a plane and run off to washington for, you know, a month at a time, six months at a time and come home and droepp a pronouncement and away. these are our neighbors, these are our friends. it was our friends out there in that march. we may not get it right. but i do think as we seek for

some hints of a rainbow amid this horrible tragedy there are cities doing this and doing it well. we cannot -- there is a larger conversation, a common denominator among this man, micah johnson and some of the others, they're all vets who come home very troubled. we start -- i don't know how many times we can have this conversation about mental health and how we don't take care of those that we have otherwise trained to kill and put them back on our streets, i mean, i think this is just more complex than the quote-unquote issue between the police and the african-american community. >> no question. >> we need to have a thoughtful conversation around both. >> i wasn't talking about mayors. i'm talking about the national leade leaders. i've got plenty of the election. whether i want it or not. >> i know you do, chris. >> i'm saying they run away from this. >> i also know having -- >> you look at dallas -- >> right now, i don't care about

that, because i know when this election is over, hillary clinton is not going to be down here being deputy chief of police. she'll be running this country, time to deal with a divvy cffic economy. i do think congress can do something, but mayors are frustrated. on both sides, i would indict them. not a single police chief of law enforcement officer in this state was in support of the open carry legislation. and yet it was the number one agenda of our legislature the last time. that doesn't ease an already tense situation, when you have these encounters. that alone is not responsible for this. but the reality, these are things that we tend to have worked out at the local level. i think you will see a coming together of mayors and faith based leaders and those thoughtful leader in the law enforcement community to say,

what can we learn from one another. what best lessons. what has dallas done right. what has david brown done right in training his leaders to deescalate situations. what have they done right in new york, chicago, where ever. it doesn't matter. mayors are much more willing to come together to share, because the urgency is manifested in places like right here in dallas. >> totally understood. i still think the things we know that work, community policing and transparency, also prove to be expensive and that's where help from above can come in. i'm not talking from way above. i'm talking about national leadership. >> chris, don't get me started. >> we'll have more conversations about this. >> i agree with you. >> it is a first step. >> community policing is one of the best. thank you, buddy. >> absolutely. we'll do it again. coming up, we heard from a former mayor who had to take on this position. how about the other side.

you're a victim of this dynamic. we're going to talk with james blake. you remember what happened with him. he got tackled by cops in new york city. one of the biggest names in tennis, right. how does that challenge change who you are and how do you deal with it as a young black man today. james blake conversation ahead. fascinating one. also one of the most outspoken voices of the black lives matter movement this morning is out of jail. mckesson will join us to talk about his protest this weekend. he is promising to keep the pressure on. he joins me next.

the country in protest against the deadly police violence we've seen, two black lives taken in minnesota and in louisiana. and then five officers gunned down in dallas. prominent black lives activist, deray mckesson after being detained. he joins us now, along with opel, thank you for being with us. let me talk to you, deray, because this is your first interview since getting out of jail. you've spoken about the experience, protesting in baton rouge. i know you've live streamed a lot of it. and you say that the police officers in that protest, you believe were provoking you. how so?

>> yes, remember, it was not just me, but so many other people here in baton rouge kate out and were completely peaceful. we are chanting, and the police came out and started snatching. that has happened for the past couple of days here in baton rouge. i was many people arrested. the police across the country have killed nearly three people everyday this year. people are simply tired of it. they're tired of it in baton rouge and across the country. protest is a way to bringing attention to things that otherwise would not be in the public conversation. so i remain disappointed in the baton rouge police, because they have been using their power to intimidate people and people are no longer going to tolerate that. >> opel, to you, when you look at this horrific ambush in dallas, the shooting of five officers killed, seven injured, the black lives matter movement came out and condemned that immediately after it happened, and yet the shooter told police

in the negotiations that he was angry, and wanted to target white officers, and was angry, and mentioned the black lives matter movement. do you think that event sets back your cause? >> what happened in dallas was really sad. i know that for many of us in the community, we are facing violence, and we have seen the consequences of police brutality, of extra judicial killing at the hands of law enforcement and we are mourning. we are the people who really understand and actually are able to quite honestly have a lot of sympathy for folks who are mourning in dallas. at the same time, we're very aware that we have to continue working to bring justice for black people, and to ensure that our lives are truly valued in this nation. we can't allow the actions of one person to derail the conversation. >> does it concern you that it may be in some people's eyes

derailing the conversation, derailing your movement? >> it concerns me that in some ways, we see that there are one off politicians or sometimes pundits and people who have an agenda who are misconstruing the facts, and are using this really unfortunate incident to cast a negative light on our very important and necessary movement. that's what i'm seeing. i hope it does not cause consequences for us. what i'm seeing right now is an extra amount of attention that's being placed on folks who are doing their civic duty and are protesting and exercising their rights, and i'm concerned that there might be some efforts that are going to be used to stop that very important expression of their freedom of speech. and the disdain and disgust and very righteous outrage people have. we've been seeing, like deray said, somebody is being murdered

in our nation. it is unacceptable. >> deray, let me ask you about language. because words matter. as we heard the dallas police chief say, words matter. some have pointed to the black lives matter movement and said some of the language used is anti-police. i want to read three of your tweets and get your response to some of that criticism. tweet from may of 2015, the police are engaged in ethnic cleansing, america. another tweet from april, the police are killing people, officer presently is akin to the myth of the american dreams, seductive but deadly illusion, nonetheless. then from last april, this fear for my life language is the new execution motto of america's largest gang, the police. what do you say to those who look at the tweets and say that is rhetoric that does not help. >> see, the reality is that we shouldn't have to protest. we are in the streets because the police continue to kill people day in and day out, without any mechanisms of

accountability. so the rhetoric you hear is in response to the real life events that people are experiencing. so here in baton rouge, again, i saw the police not fear for their lives at all, but still engage in violence with police -- with protesters, and that's challenging. what we see on these videos time and time again is that the police is not afraid. the rhetoric of the protests in no way matches the violence that the police has been inflicting on people and for a time and memorial. the only thing new right now, we have social media that allows us to show people, but again, this trauma has been happening for a long time and the police want us to focus on rhetoric so they are not focusing on the lack of accountability. >> i want you to both address this. the debate about all lives matter versus black lives matter. where do you fall on that? >> there is no debate. we actually know that all lives do matter. we believe it is so much so that we had to create black lives

matter. we know that there are people in our nation, black people, who are systematically being disenfranchised in a number of spheres in our lives. >> does it take away from your cause when people say all lives matter? >> what it takes away from is from having a real discourse about what black people are experiencing. it shows a lack of maturity for people who are expressing their thoughts and maybe their emotions. they aren't understanding what is going on and trying to derail a necessary conversation and very necessary action to rectify the injustices we're experiencing day in and day out. it is a distraction. >> opal, thank you very much, deray, to you as well. thank you for joining us this morning. chris. we just experienced one of the worst kinds of distractions in the form of this mad man who decided to murder all these dallas cops during an otherwise peaceful protest. we're now learning more details

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we want to talk about who was lost in dallas. these are men who should be known for much more than just how they were killed.

they're men and women who were injured who deserve the same. we have people today who can help us with this conversation. the president of the dallas police association, ron pingston and jamie castro. he is a friend of lorne aherns. tell us about this man who some called meat. >> you know, the first word that comes to mind, you know, when someone asks me, tell me about lorne, the word hero. lorne was a man who truly understood what it took to be a dallas police officer. he understood the brotherhood, the camaraderie. he understood that this may be asked of him one day, was to lay his life down for his fellow

officers, or for a citizen, and as we saw that night, he was even willing to do it for someone who was protesting displeasure with the police. but either way, lorne was that kind of hero. there was no hesitation to lay his life down. >> i read somewhere that obviously he was called meat because he was a big guy, but the biggest part was his heart and you saw it the way he did his job. how so? >> lorne was a man with gratitude. he was always wanting to take care of those who took care of him. lorne was out there, serving the community the best of his ability. you can go to the southeast patrol, where he served, and you can see that his work still stands there. there now stands peaceful vacant lots or parks where once violent

drug houses once stood. that's the gift he left for the community. he was always, always had his heart in the right place and wanted to make a change and a difference. >> ron, just one of the sad aspects of this situation is that officers were targeted in dallas, and dallas, among by cities has done so much to come so far in terms of doing community policing, providing transparency and having use of force be a culture that evolves. and yet, then this happens. how do you see the state of play in terms of the perception of policing versus what you believe to be the reality? >> i think it is so surprising that this event occurred in dallas, because we've been doing an outstanding job, both the department and the association. we've been meeting with the community. we've been meeting with the activists, and we've been having positive conversations. and that's what makes it so surprising it occurred here.

how we go forward, i think in dallas, we're going to continue to serve the citizens of dallas and give them our best that we can in serving them. we're going to continue to have conversations. we're going to meet with the activists, and we're going to honor our fallen officers and do our job like they were, honor and respect. >> what do you say, ron, to the notion that is driving part of this conversation that young black men are too often at risk when they come into police situations? do you believe that? do you believe that it is racial, and if, so what do you see as the fix? >> well, i see a fix as having positive dialogue. here in dallas, we have operation blue shield that started a year and a half ago and it started to have dialogue between the community and the law enforcement community. and that's how it is going to fix. you know, hate filled conversations aren't going to get us where we need to be in

this country. it is only going to be both sides sitting down and listening to each other. not screaming at them, demanding something, but both sides sitting down together and having a positive dialogue. >> jamie, you deal with this, you're the head of the dallas police association, latino. you don't feel people are being treated the same way, whether latino or white police officers, what do you say? >> you know, just a few days before this all occurred, i had put out a post through social media, asking the community, the lantino community if they had any kind of doubts, worries, suggestions or even complaints to give me a call to come to the dpa, our doors are open to the

public, to the activists or just anybody who has any kind of -- if they're worried about what you've seen or hey, i don't agree with the way this officer did this, come talk to us. come talk to us. send me a message. send me an e-mail. our door also always be own at the dpa to sit down and talk things out. having facebook wars, twitter wars, just gets us nowhere. and the way you need to do this is by sitting down. i'm trying to work with the consulates, meeting with them, teaching them, hey, look, this is how equipment works. so they understand the equipment, the way we are required to do -- the things we're required to do at our job. >> i know it is very important to you that your friend, lorne aherns is remembered for doing the job the right way and not for just how his life was taken. we're happy to help you in that goal, and we're sorry to have

this conversation under these circumstances. we know that funeral arrangements are this wednesday for him and the family. and we appreciate both of you gentlemen being on "new day" today. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. so important to remember, all of the fallen. let's talk about the politics as well. the recent police involved shootings impacting this 2016 election, the voters satisfied with how the presumptive nominees handling this crisis, and frankly, how they're talking about race relations in this country? we'll debate it next.

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clearly divisive times? >> let's discuss with christine and corey, advivice state, chrie quinn, a clinton supporter, and former trump campaign manager, corey lewandowski, who is still receiving severance, and will be the new hampshire delegation at the republican convention, and is also a cnn political commentator. quite the intro you have today. >> wow. >> all right, so christine, let's start with this. what is the role of a leader in this situation? we've had two different takes. one is get out there, get in front and tell us how to heal. the other is relax, don't make everything about politics. what do you think should be done by clinton and is she getting it done? >> you can actually, it should be both of those things. you don't -- shouldn't make moments of such national tragedy about politics of a political candidate. but leading when you're in government or politics is about helping the country heal, see

the truth, affirm the truth, and then move to the solution that will change that truth to make the country and the people in our country in a better place. i think hillary clinton in her calm demeanor, in her experience, in her having worked out in the country for three decades or more, trying to make this country a better place, has exactly that balance of affirming the truth. because if you deny the truth, or argue it, you're really insulting people. but really, also knows how to move us forward to a place that these kind of tragedies stop happening. the first part is moving forward with president obama's recommendations on 21st century policing as quickly as possible. we know in this race, we know she is the candidate that will do this. >> let me pose this question. the dissatisfaction that americans have with both candidates when it comes to the level of hatred and rhetoric and

prejudice that we're seeing in the united states, quinnipiac poll came out and shows 61% shows this election as a whole on both sides has increased prejudice in this country. corey, i point to you, someone who was on the trump campaign, 61% blame the trump camp for that. >> what you have is donald trump who is talking to people in a truthful manner. and i think sometimes what you'll find is people want to hear political correctness, and that's something hasn't solved problems over the last 30 years. donald trump, what he says is what he feels. what he says is the american people are smart. they're articulate. you have to address positions and tough issues head on. >> but these voters are talking about hate and prejudice. they see this election has increased that in this country. >> no, what this election has done is brought people back into the political realm for 30 years as a whole, some say the population has given up on pop

particulars becau -- politics. what you see is in the primaries, more people turning out to vote, people are finally reengaged or excited. 14 million people almost voted for donald trump. he won in 38 states from the northeast to the southwest and the reason is because people want to take their country back again. they want to feel proud to be americans again. that's something he is giving them. it is is an honor to have someone like that. >> i don't think hate is something that does engage people in politics. government is supposed to be about moving us to our best selves and best moment of opportunity. you can't say that donald trump has not said things and done things on this presidential campaign trail that are -- he has done things that are full of hate, and really beneath the role of president of the united states. his attack on mexican-americans, his attack on an american judge of mexican origin saying he isn't qualified to rule in

cases. his horrible stances on immigration. even the way he spoke to an african-american man at his rally, calling him my african-american -- >> whoa, hold on, hold on. >> let me clarify. that man came out and said he was still a supporter and it wasn't offensive to him. >> but wait, that is not an appropriate way to talk about another human being. my this, my that. it speaks to a lack of a sense of the importance of the president of the united states being a uniter. and the mexican comments he has made about mexican-american are nothing but hate fueled and that goes without what he says about muslims. >> if you look at this and the election results and the polls, donald trump is doing better with hispanics. he employs thousands of hispanics. they're taking -- >> what poll are you talking about? >> a poll last week. >> what poll? >> it shows that he is -- i don't think that -- >> 33%, he is winning hispanics,

if you look at what mitt romney received or john mccain. >> he is not saying he is going to win hispanics. >> way over the threshold that a republican -- >> there's not what you said. >> the other part of is this. the way mr. trump, anybody who knows him, and i know him very well, he would say my corey. you're my corey. that's a term of endearment. it is not a pejorative term. for someone to take it out of context and say something other than that, they don't know him. >> there is a point that's worth making. what corey says about pc and ends up allows us not to focus, the clintons got hit over the head with this. what hillary clinton said about predators, coming to the crime bill, she got all this stink, democrats couldn't apologize enough. even clinton apologized, right. they're not in the business of apologizing very often. she said she was wrong, but she wasn't wrong. but what they were talking about

is there was a lot of crime coming out of the black communities, and that had to realized. but the democrats ran away from it, because it was too offensive. it happens to be true that you have high crime there. if you want to talk about the truth, don't you have to see both sides? >> i think you have to see all sides of the truth and attempt to see all sides of the truth from the way other people see it as well. right, the way i experience truth, the way i experience policing as a white american is very different than a black american. what i feel sometimes when i see the police at different times in my life as a lesbian different than a straight woman might feel. new york, i want to give the police credit, tremendous. truth, we all bring our own view to it. let's go back to mr. trump for a second. >> do it quickly, we've got to -- >> whatever he said about muslims, that was not en dearing. what he said about mexicans, it

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from new york city police after a dramatic arrest last september. you'll remember this video when an officer tackled him after miss taking him for a fraud suspect. a panel found the officer did use excessive force and since then, blake has become active in the fight against police brutality. he joins us from london, there covering wimbledon. thank you for being with us. let's talk about your perspective of the past week. a divided america, no question. your reaction to the killings of young black men in minnesota, in baton rouge, and the execution of five police officers in dallas. >> well, the killings of course are tremendous tragedy that we all need to be mourning the lives lost. the innocent lives lost. as far as the protests go, they are a positive step, when you're using your freedom of speech to

effect change in a positive way and in a peaceful manner, that's a great effort and great cause. unfortunately, they were severely marched by the lone wolf shooter, as you said, that executed five police officers. that should never be indicative of an entire movement by peaceful protests going on across the country. it shouldn't be associated with one deranged individual that had different thoughts and different tactics to affect change. that's not the way anyone should ever affect change is through violence. >> after the incident where you were tackled to the ground by an nypd officer, you met with commissioner bratton of the nypd, with mayor de blasio, and talked to them about specific changes. now is the time for specific change to be implemented. how do we move past a conversation to action. what is it that you discussed with them that you would like to see changed?

>> well, i think a couple of the biggest points for me in terms of the change for the police officers is one is accountability. we saw two videos of cops, what seemed to be obviously acting in the wrong. and there needs to be an accountability factor. we need to find out exactly what happened, and delve into the videos and find out what the punishment should be, whether there should be criminal charges as well. there shouldn't be a way of shielding them, because they're police officers. they're still human beings. if they commit a crime, they need to be held accountable. there needs to be more training. i'm not a police expert in the training they do, but it seems there is at times, they're a little more on edge, and for me personally in my opinion, that's because there are so many weapons out there, there are so many weapons, military, and weapons accessible by people

unfit to carry weapons. if that changes, that will help the police and society react to each other in a more responsible and a more collegial manner. >> i think some of the minimage we've seen coming out of baton roonl and minneapolis have been striking and people have said wow, it looks like the mid 1960s to them. obviously not on fire, the riots aren't the same, but a lot of people say it feels akin to that. when it comes to the black lives matter movement, you've re-tweeted people like john legend who are supporters of the movement. are you a spupporter of the movement? >> i am a supporter from afar. i wouldn't say i am a member of any sort of, you know, union or anything like that. but i do feel that a lot of their points are well taken, and well put. i haven't met with any of the organizers. i haven't, you know, fledged any sort of allegiance to anyone.

but i do feel like black lives matter is a hashtag and something that is important, and it is one where i think it's long overdue. what has been happening to black lives, to black men in particular by some police officers by, you know, the public in general, the racism is on the front pages and headlines because of the violence that has taken place, but it happens everyday in business, sports, every other arena. it is just when it is physical violence is when it is the most notable and the most pinned forehead lines. >> former new york city rudy giuliani for making his comments on "face the nation" on cbs yesterday. i want you to listen to it. >> when you say black lives matter, that is inherently racist. >> well, i think there are --

>> black lives matter, white lives matter. asian lives matter, hispanic lives matter. it is anti-american and it is racist. >> james, what is your response to that? >> it is just shocking that someone that has ever held public office or that has gotten any where he has gotten in his life can have that kind of view on it, because black lives matter we're persecuted, we're dealt racist blows everyday of our lives. for him to say and cheapen it by saying white lives matter would be considered racist or black lives is racist, it is just so unknowing, someone that is so -- has blinders onto the fact that black men and women were treated so differently in everyday life. it is really sad to think that someone is saying that. i don't know if he has any ulterior motive for saying it, but i equate it to if someone says they're at a dinner table

and say they're hungry, but everyone else is hungry. everyone is still hungry. no, it is the person who doesn't have the food. it is the person out of the loop that's not getting the same benefits they are, that very much white america is getting the benefits of, it has been talked about white privilege, of not being afraid of police officers, not being, you know, held back in business. not getting the same benefits is what black men and women are going through everyday. >> james, what about your personal experience before this handcuffing, the mistaken identity that happened to you when you were tackled to the ground, did you have any encounters with police as a young black man coming up? >> yeah, and especially young black man that i was an athlete, so i had financial success from an early age and i had a few nice cars and i was pulled over a lot more frequently than my white friends, for seemingly

doing nothing. i was pulled over before with guns drawn. you know, with police officers with their hand on their weapon, and you know, then i had success on tour and when i first had success on the tennis tour, i found out there are death threats to my parents, and we had to have the fbi involved. that's something i think about when i'm facing a big match and i have to worry if i win this match, is there going to be more death threats, things going on. i know that's something andy rodic, the white athletes in our sport don't have to go through. i'm so mazed at players like serena williams, the real trail blazers like arthur ashe who went through so much worse in their lives. his greatest hurdle was being born black, not facing hiv. it makes sense to me for seeing

what he went through. >> let's talk about serena williams and what she said, because she has spoken out against violence, and let me read it. i do have nephews i'm thinking do i have to call them and tell them don't go outside. if you get in your car, it might be the last time i see you. she went on to say also obviously violence is not the answer of solving it. the shooting in dallas is very sad. she goes on to end by saying, we are all human. what do you think the impact of her speaking out like this. >> i think it does have impact and i think she is someone that has been touched by violence in her family. her half sister was killed senselessly as well, and she knows what it is like. like she said, violence is never the answer. speaking out, speaking out peacefully, even when you disagree with your opinion, i disagree with rudy giuliani, but i give him the respect that he has the right to his opinion and

we have the right to do it, and being able to debate and talk about it. that's why i think the peaceful protests going on are important, and you know, i don't know if serena was back there, she would participate in any of those, but i think that's also very important. her voice carries so much more weight and people like her and john legend, people speaking out. it is important. we need to stay on it. it can't be something that is gone in a week and we're forgotten about and it becomes just an afterthought. >> i appreciate your time, james, on such an important joining us from london. thank you so much. we appreciate it. "newsroom" picks up right after this. they think that it's sad.

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