community. we have it covered. let's begin this morning with victor blackwell in dallas. >> reporter: good morning to you. the white house says president obama is intensely frustrated over the inability to have a rash rational conversation about gun control. he of course will be joined by former president george w. bush who will speak here today with the president. and of course this comes after a very emotional night that we saw here in dallas. >> faster than a speeding bullet. more powerful than a locomotive. able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. >> reporter: hundreds gathering monday night for a candle light vigil to honor the fallen officers killed in the dallas ambush. >> lorne, i know you're up there

listening, brother. and i want you to know i was there outside the window by your side to see you take your final breath. >> reporter: the doctors who fought valiantly to save lives struggling to cope with their deaths. >> and i think about it every day that i'm able to save those cops when they came here that night. >> reporter: telling cnn something must be done about the senseless violence. >> i don't understand why people think it's okay to kill police officers. i don't understand why black men die in custody and they're forgotten the next day. it has to stop. >> reporter: dallas police chief david brown says the country is putting too much of a burden on police to solve societal issues. >> not enough mental health

funding. let the cop handle it. not enough drug addiction funding. let's give it to the cops. that's too much to ask. >> reporter: brown's message to protestors become part of the solution. >> we're hiring. get off that protest line and put an application in. and we'll put you in your neighborhood and we will help you resolve some of the problems you protesting about. >> reporter: this as the parents of the killer are breaking their silence. >> i didn't see it coming. i love my son with all my heart. i hate what he did. >> reporter: his mother says it was his time in the military that changed him. >> he was very disappointed. very disappointed. but it may be that he -- the ideal that he thought of our government, of what he thought the military represented, it just didn't live up to his

expectations. >> reporter: since that attack on thursday night, much of downtown dallas has been shut off and closed down, cordoned off as a crime scene. we've learned that some of those roads will reopen today as the city looks for normalcy. that interfaith ceremony starts today at 1:30 eastern. >> it will be a beautiful site with all those people gathering from across political lines to be together for that city. >> overnight protests against the police shooting deaths of two black men in the last week. police arresting at least 16 people in atlanta. and fifth night of demonstrations there. hundreds took to the streets. some staging a sit-in at the governor's mansion. in downtown chicago last night, up to 1,000 people taking part there. those demonstrations did remain peaceful. we're also learning about the funeral arrangements. castile will be laid to rest on

thursday. alton sterling's funeral is set for friday in louisiana. we have cnn political commentator and author of the new book "nobody: casualties of america's war on the vulnerable," you know him, mark lamont hill. we have former secret service agent and former trial attorney for civil rights division of the department of justice, laura coates. let's take up the point that the chief made last night that we are asking the police to do too much. let's replay that sound. >> we're asking cops to do too much in this country. we are. we're just asking us to do too much. every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. i just ask for other parts of our democracy along with the free press to help us, to help

us and not put that burden all on law enforcement to resolve. >> is this true and if so what does it means in terms of the state of policing? >> i think, chris, certainly the officers are expected to do a great number of things. but the expectation of society is that the officers when they are wearing the hat they're supposed to as a patrolman and a police officer, they do so with honor and integrity. if you give too many responsibilities to police officers, you defer a great deal of power. what you see in excessive force cases, that rogue officers are abusing this gift and granted all of this power. it -- it's a consequence of the greater society. >> let's look in the context of the murder in this dallas situation, in terms of what the police confront on a regular basis. the parents are speaking out

now. they didn't know how to help him, they didn't think it would be this bad. but when you look at that in terms of what they're saying, and let's take the parents at their word, what does that mean to you in terms of, you know, what we're dealing with in society or not dealing with in terms of threats. >> well, i don't know if the military had anything to do with this. an individual like this who's clearly disturbed, he looks like he's looking for a reason to engage in some sort of violence or to act out somehow. if you're looking for that reason, you're going to find it. >> i don't mean that the military ruined this man. i'm saying that through his experience, he developed some type of illness that wasn't diagnosed, not followed up on, the family didn't know what to do, and we see this time and time again where someone winds up decaying in their own skin and becomes a madman. >> sure. i understand what you were saying initially.

i'm not blaming military, i know you're not either. what i'm saying is the tools are available. we can't just say the tools aren't out there. that's not true. was there know psychologist or psychiatrist within 50 square miles of this individual? we say that and throw these terms out there a lot and it's syruply not true. if they thought something was wrong, the family, where's the personal responsibility there. they could have found someone, the fact is, they didn't. i don't know, i think it's kind of a copout. i don't think that's true. >> you have to put it in context though. republican just got a bill that is now making it through to empower families more. when you're dealing with an adult, there's almost nothing a family can do unless you have them involuntarily committed. >> that's his issue, then. that's the family saying, no, he

doesn't want help. that's not the fault of the government or the cops or anything else. >> true. >> if an individual doesn't want to get help, there's got to be some personal responsibility here. >> then he says -- the chief says, to all of you protesting, i want you to consider this, and let's play his suggestion. >> we're hiring. we're hiring. get off that protest line and put an application in. and we'll put you in your neighborhood and we will help you resolve some of the problems you protesting about. >> never heard that before. you and i have been all over this country covering this problem. i've never heard a chief suggest that before. >> it's an interesting solution that almost gets at the issue here. one of the things we talk about is the need for community-based policing. having relationships so that you're not just riding by cracking heads, but you're also having conversations with

people. that was the spirit of broken windows policing when it first started. it was about having relationships and policing neighborhoods in ways that make people comfortable. it almost reflects a belief that if we had more black officers, that would be enough. it's also a problem of structure. it's a systemic problem. even if everyone was a perfect cop, there's still a model of policing that needs to change. what i thought the police officer said that was more important was the idea that we have to not put so much burden on law enforcement. because what we've essentially done is say, look, you have a mental health issue, there are a ton of resources out there for you. >> do you remember when we were on the ground, i believe it was in baltimore and mentally ill guy took a knife and went after the store owner and the store owner knew him and called the

cops, said he's here again. he charged him with the knife. they wound up shooting and killing him. that's a tough thing to put on their plate. >> it is a tough thing to put on their plate. i agree that individual responsibility matters. people have to make healthy choices for themselves and their family members. we need to expand mental health opportunities in schools and community based things. we can't arrest our way out of poverty, mental health, and homelessness. yeah, they end up arresting everybody, even if they have the best of intentions. >> counselor, something's starting to bubble up, i want your take on it. the idea after negotiating with a man who was dead set on killing officers, they wound up sending in a robot with an explosive device and took him out. people are concerned about. do you think there's an ethical question or do you think it's a non-issue? >> i think it's bubbling because

it's the example of whether it's excessive force or note. to have a robot blow up one person could be viewed as excessive. you have somebody who intended on taking more human lives. the reason it's so important right now is because as the chief indicated, they're going to review over 170 hours of body cam footage et cetera. they still have to justify even thinks that would be through common sense justifiable. they sought to say, look, we know there is a condemnation of police officers that we use too much force particularly against black men, and they still feel the burden, even in this context to have to justify this actual killing. it's part of a larger conversation. it goes into cya mode for the officers. if i can touch on one thing that mark was talking about. that is that people have to

realize there's a three-pronged approach. it's protest, it's legislation, and it's legal action against people who are committing unlawful acts including officers. if one method of being able to protest or legislate is to join the force and become on the front line, as a black woman, i've been a prosecutor who is normally on the side who people would assume belong to the criminal defense attorneys. but you got to be on the front lines and also be able to effectuate change. sometimes being the gatekeeper is the same thing. >> laura, dan, mark, thank you for helping us out this morning. >> coming up in our 8:00 hour, we're going to talk live with dallas mayor mike rawlings. he's been a unique leader in this situation. we'll talk to him about why. and also tomorrow night, how about this. a special two-hour town hall on the issues that matter, black, white, and blue, america 2016.

on those tensions between police and minorities. don lemon will moderate. right here on cnn kwsk. donald trump warning that the violence spreading across this country might just be the beginning of a long dangerous summer as he declares himself the law and order candidate, following that by saying i'm also the candidate of compassion. this coming as new audio surfaces this morning of donald trump praising hillary clinton. our jason carol has more. he also praised barack obama. >> reporter: well, he did at one point. donald trump speaking out on a number of issues talking about the shootings in dallas and the incidents in louisiana and minnesota saying that the nation is divided. also in an interview with the associated press, trump predicted more violence this summer. and during that speech yesterday, he provided a solution, saying not only is he

the law enforcement candidate, but the candidate of compassion. >> it's time for the hostility against our police and against all members of law enforcement to end and end immediately right now. >> reporter: donald trump addressing for the first time out on the campaign trail the dallas ambush and recent police-involved shooting deaths. >> i am the law and order candidate. >> reporter: and blasting his democratic rival. >> hillary clinton on the other hand is weak, ineffective, pandering, and as proven by her recent e-mail scandal, she's either a liar or grossly incompetent. >> reporter: this as the "wall street journal" uncovers contradicting audio from turumps old syndicated radio segment. the audio clips owned by the radio network premiere revealing

inconsistencies in the billionaire's rhetoric. >> i know her and she'd make a good president or a vice president. a lot of people think an obama/clinton pairing would be a dream ticket in november. >> reporter: a far cry from his attacks on the trail now. >> wherever hillary clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow. she'll never be able to do the job. her judgment is horrible. she will be such a lousy president, folks. >> reporter: in may of 2008, trump condemned west virginia lawmakers for proposing gun glasses on hunting in schools. >> we hear way too many stories on school violence. it's a dangerous risk that might not be worth the payoff. >> reporter: and then trump eight years later. >> you know what a gun-free zone is? that's bait. i will get rid of gun-free zones on schools and you have to. and on military bases.

i don't want to have guns in classrooms although in some cases teachers should have guns in classrooms frankly. >> reporter: vice president joe biden and jeb bush questioning trump's ability to deliver on his promises. >> look at donald trump and what he's saying and ask yourself is it believable. >> i think people are going to really feel betrayed. >> reporter: trump has repeatedly brushed off some of his formal rivals. trump suggested that a lack of training for officers might be partially to blame for the shootings in louisiana and minnesota. he also criticized the black lives matter movement saying the name in itself is a, quote, very divisive term. >> appreciate the reporting. today is going to be a very challenging one for president obama. this will be the 11th time he's been called to a city to console after tragedy of this kind. so he's going to go down here and deal with this unique

tragedy of dead police officers. and then he's going to make the case for why this country must come together and is in fact united in this cause. we're going to discuss the implications of this moment on the election. who's doing better here? who has the solution? next.

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welcome back to "new day." president obama set to speak today at a memorial for those five slain officers in dallas. this is the 11th time this president has had to travel to a city and address its people following a mass shooting. donald trump, hillary clinton facing their own challenges. let's talk about all of it. errol lewis is with us along with patrick heely. gentlemen, thank you for being here this morning. if you're the president and you're traveling there, you're weary because you've done this 11 times before. you're also walking quite a line because you're respecting the police officers in this horrifying tragedy and also dealing with a divided nation

over race and police-involved shooting. what is the first line out of your mouth? >> i think he'll try to sort of make this almost a continuation of what he did in south carolina after the dylann roof murders. there are differences between them. a madman who goes into a theater with no motive whatsoever that anybody can discern is fundamentally different from somebody with politically tinged moments. there's a difference there. i think also, though, the president has got to sort of do what only the president can do, try to heal the nation, try to appeal to our common humanity. he has not been very successful when it comes to getting the implementation of what his task force on policing recommended. very few departments have taken him up on it.

if you look through the recommendations, it's actually pretty soft stuff. they ask local departments to convene listening sessions and that sort of thing. not surprisingly, only 15 states and cities have taken him up on it out of 17,000, 18,000 police departments nationwide. >> and he is taking a very aggressive stance. he's saying we're not divided. does that make him sound tone deaf or is he obviously turning a blind eye to the situation or do you think there's a strategy at play? >> it's really tough, chris. a lot of people are anxious. a lot of people are fearful. they see america, what's going on, cratering a little bit. he's right. this isn't the '60s. there aren't riots, there aren't cities on fire across america. what president obama does so well but sometimes doesn't go into the bloodstream of people, he presents context, looks at

the long arc of history. when they listen often, they understand. the problem, though, this audience is going to be a tough one for him. in charleston, people wanted comfort, they wanted that kind of empathy. here, there are going to be a lot of people in that audience who are going to feel very ambivalent about obama's record here. >> in this meeting they had with police, there were two police divisions. they said we don't think you as an administration are doing enough for us. >> that's right. in terms on f threading the needle it's going to be tough. people are looking for him to help them understand what's going on, but when they're looking to his administration for answers, a lot of people feel like, you know, he's been on the wrong track, that the justice department has given too many military-style weaponry and equipment to police departments or that the justice department

hasn't sort of followed through on the accountability reports that they've tried to put onto police departments. >> how it plays out in the election. it's interesting. former mayor ron kirk from dallas yesterday yelled at me and called me out for saying media are always trying to conflate what happens. >> right. don't make this about the election. >> but it is. we're looking to see who has a leadership strategy for this situation. trump says i'm the law and order candidate. it harkens you back to nixon. i'm the law and order candidate. he had a way to get off vietnam. trump says he's got a way to get out of isis. is that a real parallel? is he sizing himself up as ni n nixon? >> it's absolutely a parallel. both he and hillary clinton, when they talk about in effect sort of moving a lot of pieces around on the chest board at the

local level, they are far exceeding what any president can realistically do. hillary clinton says she wants model of deescalation and have better policing. that's not something you're going to do from the white house or the justice department. they can provide a tone and some leadership but what nixon did actually, in the light of history, helped fuel mass incarceration. it pushed in one direction. it gave a lot of incentives for departments to really crack down and draw laws. it's a multi-pronged approach. you got to pass laws. you got to have -- >> she's still looking for that tau tone, right? donald trump is sort of clearly positioned himself -- >> that's the beauty of it that it's very simple. >> how can bernie sanders help hillary clinton on this front as we look at new hampshire and him joining her on the trail and the

tough spot she's still in when it comes to the crime bill, when it comes to mass incarceration, how can bernie sanders sort of getting on the band wagon -- he's not necessarily fully endorsing her. how can he help her on this front? >> she did very well with african-american voters, voters with major cities in america. bernie had his own problem with black lives matter activists. i think the sense though as donald trump tries to say i'm the law and order candidate, come behind me, i'll keep you safe, what she's trying to do is broaden her coalition to get the younger voters into her camp in the key states. again, when these incidents happen, we tend to forget it's 10 or 12 states where this is really key. bring those young people in, have a united democratic party. >> some of those young voices we're hearing on the streets of america. >> absolutely. and they feel it.

they want some kind of a statement from their leaders that sort of say, you know, i understand what's going on, we're going -- she has that rhetoric already. it's more the emotional connection that bernie made better than she did. >> gentlemen, appreciate the perspective as always. speaker of the house paul ryan is going to talk trump and the gop agenda in a live cnn town hall with jake tapper tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern. also new developments in the deadly police shootings of alton sterling in baton rouge. why is the d.a. removing himself from the case at the same time that that convenience store owner, now he's filing a lawsuit against police. what he's alleging. details ahead. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything,

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welcome back to "new day." a district attorney in baa tron rouge recusing himself from the al ton sterling death investigation. this as we learn more about the store owner. our boris sanchez is live this morning in baton runl wiouge wi more.

>> reporter: that district attorney for east baton rouge recusing himself from the case saying herbalessentially he is close to the family of one of the officers involved in the shooting of alton sterling. he says he's too close to the family and working with 400 homicide cases with his mother and that his father is the security detail in charge of looking out for the safety of the drone. so he is stepping aside for this one. aside from that, there are growing calls for security footage from that sss mart where alton sterling was killed to be released. the owner of that mart is suing the baton rouge police department. he says the footage of confiscated ill legally without warrant and that he was held for six hours without being allowed to call his family or an

attorney. very serious allegations. we've called the baton rouge police department for comment. they say they do not comment on pending litigation. >> those are important aspects. we're going to go to break right now. another important aspect you're seeing getting a lot of attention. there's suggestions and statistics flying all over the internet and tv. are blacks more criminal and are whites actually killed by cops more often. here's another number that shows that. we have the real numbers in context ahead. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.

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the police shooting deaths of two black men in minnesota and in baton rouge, louisiana reigniting a debate. is race a factor when it comes to police shootings? we want to lay out the facts for you. it's so important to get it right. especially when you're talking about the proportion of the population as a whole. but it's incredibly complex. walk us through it. >> the "washington post"

launched a realtime database in 2015 that tracks deadly police shootings based on news reports, public records, and the "washington post" own reporting in an attempt to answer that very question. it's important to note this is raw data and we don't know the full circumstances of each individual shooting. first, let's start with the shooting deaths in 2015 by race. 990 people were shot dead by police in 2015. and out of that number, more white americans were killed than black americans. 494 to 258. but if you look at these numbers as a percentage of the population, a very different story begins to emerge. blacks made up 13% of the population in 2015. but accounted for 26% of those shot and killed by police. whites by comparison made up 62% of the population, but it counted for 50% of the police shooting deaths. now, this disparity also deeper

when looking at victims of police shootings who were not carrying a weapon. about 15% of black americans shot and killed by police in 2015 were unarmed compared with about 7% of whites. now, this year, 2016, there have been 515 people shot dead by police. that is roughly a 6% increase from what we saw in the first six months of 2015. suggesting if things don't change, we could end the year with even greater disparities. chris? >> all right. that is a good starting point for a look at what happens, but also why. the raw numbers certainly give you a sense of what happens here. but our next guest took on the question of why, looked at the broader subject of police force and didn't limit the definition to just shooting deaths. his findings show even when police use nonlethal methods an anti-black disparity, as we calls it, still exists.

joining us now, professor at john j. phillip of criminal justice. give us the headline from your research. what is the reality? >> so thank you for having me on. thank you for engaging with this in a serious way. there's been a conversation for years now that we see racial disparities in law enforcement outcomes and why do we see that. on some side, they say it's because of bias on the cops. on another side they say, what's really going on is there's more crime in those communities. we wanted to know whether or not wriem was a primary of sufficient explanation for the disparities we see across the board. we controlled for crime. for arrests which is the best racial demographic data that we've got by demographics. when we controlled for all offenses in the bjs data set, we

find a persistent racial bias, a racial disparity that doesn't favor black people. >> and -- so let's tick off some of these notions. well, the reason that you have more incidents with blacked is because blacks commit all the crime. 70%, 80% of the crime are blacks and that's why. it's just the number of contacts, not any other factor. your take. >> right. that's exactly the argument that we were trying to figure out. and in doing science when the data are as raw and sort of preliminary as they are right now and frankly sometimes so poor, it's way easier to say, hey, that's not a sufficient explanation than to say this is the one explanation. so that's what we were looking at, is crime a sufficient driver. and it turns out just no in the sample that we had. we in this particular report looked at 12 cities, but they were a fairly diverse range of city. we had transit police, some

police departments that were majority white, some that were majority black and latino and some that had no majority. when we control for all offenses, all the different crimes somebody might commit in that area, it turns out crime is not sufficient to explain the disparities that we see. when we're having these conversations, contact has got to be one of the issues. because it's much more likely to happen that you have contact with law enforcement if you're black, but it's not sufficient to explain everything that's going on. >> is there anything statistical to support the notion that blacks resist more than whites? >> it's a great question. and the answer is unfortunately, and i hate to be a social scientist about that, we just don't know yet. and the reason is you could have information about resistance that sometimes is recorded. but it's always recorded after the fact and not recorded in the

same context of well, i put my hand on my gun and i started speaking aggressively or directively to that person and then they got an attitude with me, you don't have a time course to it. the data are not set up to have a good sense of what does resistance men and what did the officer do to try toro the body cam images are going to be the best that we got. without that, it's really difficult to get a good sense of what might be resisting more. >> a conversation for another time is why don't you have better data, and that is part of the sin of policing in this country. we do not track data there and the government loves to track data, but why not here. conversation for a different day. dr. golf, thank you very much for helping us try to understand a complex problem a little bit better. it's a time for looking at the numbers, a time for protest, but also for leadership. we have two men coming up who've

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former president george w. bush will honor the five fallen police officers killed in that ambush in dallas. the community is heartbroken. the nation is trying to grapple with the shooting deaths of those officers and the deaths of two black men at the hands of police in just the past week. let's talk about all of this. it is important, it is complex. the pastor of the oakcliff bible fellowship in dallas joins us. the police chief david brown is a member of your church. and i just have to ask you, on sunday, as you were preparing your sermon for him and for all of your congregation on sunday, what went through your mind, what was your message? >> well, we wanted to do a number of things. first of all, we wanted to express our heartfelt pain at the loss that took place and the lives of so many people and the devastation of families.

we called all of our policemen and women forward, almost 75 or so, and we applauded them. we also had to affirm the fact that in any bunch of apples, you can have some bad ones, but we need not vilify or generalize the police department when so many, almost all, are doing a marvelous job. so we wanted to affirm them. but we also wanted to give from developing a message context, a theological reason for why our culture, country, and even our city is in the condition that it is in. so as i was working on my thoughts, giving that theological foundation is important to realizing the realities that we're dealing with. >> you wrote a fascinating opinion piece in the "washington post" about this. let me read part of it. you wrote, unless the church, the church as a whole, unless

the church steps forward collectively to fulfill its god-given role of influencing the conscience of our culture, our country will keep spiraling downward into the depths of fear and hate. this as donald trump said that he believes the division will get worse, that we are leading into a very angry and divisive summer. what is the conscience of our culture right now? >> well, we -- we are living in the devolution of the spiritual. that has opened up a vacuum for all these other things to say. it says, there was no true god, no teaching priest, no law, aficti afflictions happen to everybody in the land, then it closes with this phrase, for god troubled them with every kind of distress. if god is your problem, only god

is your solution. that's why the e muls fier to bring these together has to be the spiritual. and that's the job of the church. so our failure has contributed to the void that now needs to be filled by the spiritual dimension -- >> how does the president help this nation get there? religious, we are all america across the board, how does he bring us there with his remarks today as well as what we will hear from former president george w. bush. what do you want to hear from both men? >> well, first of all, we want to certainly comfort the families. but in addition to that, there has been a loss of values that are commonly shared. those values you don't need to make up on your own. they are resident in our bible and also resident in our

constitution. when those values are being taught and trained in the home, in the school, and they're consistent for everybody, then we're operating on a consistent mow dus on remember die. when family breakdown doesn't transfer those rules and guidelines and value systems that emanate from a true and holy god, then you cannot but expect the kind of chaos. i think a call to a commonly held spiritually based value system that will produce the kind of love and respect and honor and equity among people, that method needs to come across. and if it comes across strongly, and if the spiritual community grabs it, walks with it, we can do something and make a difference. >> pastor, thank you so much. our hearts are with all all today. we're following a lot of news here this morning. let's get right to it. >> no justice, no peace!

>> institutional discrimination doesn't just exist in policing. >> this is not how we want our communities to operate. >> police are moving in, guys. police are moving in. >> it's time for the hostility against our police to end. >> there is too much hate. there is too much violence. >> they throw them onto the ground. both cops got on top of him, and that's when they shot him. >> this killing, it has to stop. we have to come together. >> i don't know what to say. i didn't see it coming. >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn come row ta. >> poppy harlow is joining me. our big story is the power of healing. president obama is going to travel to dallas this morning to speak at a memorial for the five slain police officers killed in a murderous ambush attack. the president is hoping to

deliver a message to ease the pain of a heartbroken city and a divided nation. >> last night, a very emotional vigil there in dallas. hundreds gathering as dallas' police chief compared the victims to super heros. he suggested anti-police protestors join the force. he said, we're hiring, stand with us. good morning, victor. >> reporter: poppy, good morning to you. we know the president has been heavily involved with crafting his remarks he'll deliver today. and the president has been intensely frustrated by the inability to have what he considers to be a rational conversation about gun control. but as you said, this is a day for healing. he will speak, former president george w. bush will speak as well, and of course they come after a very emotional night here in dallas. >> faster than a speeding bullet. more powerful than a locomotive.

able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. >> reporter: hundreds gathering monday night for a candle light vigil to honor the fallen officers killed in a dallas ambush. >> lorne, i know you're up there listening, brother. and i want you to know i was there outside the window by your side to see you take your final breath. >> reporter: the doctors who fought valiantly to save lives, struggling to cope with their deaths. >> i think about it every day that i was unable to save those cops when they came here that night. >> reporter: dr. brian williams telling cnn something must be done about the senseless violence. >> i don't understand why people think it's okay to kill police officers. i don't understand why black men

die in custody and they're forgotten the next day. it has to stop. >> reporter: dallas police chief david brown says the country is putting too much of a burden on police to solve societal issues. >> we're asking cops to do too much in this country. not enough mental health funding. let the cop handle it. not enough drug addiction funding. let's give it to the cops. >> reporter: brown's message to protestors, become part of the solution. >> we're hiring. get off that protest line and put an application in. and we'll put you in your neighborhood and we will help you resolve some of the problems you protesting about. >> reporter: this as the participates of t parents of th killer are breaking their silence. >> i didn't see it coming. i love my son with all my heart. i hate what he did. >> reporter: his mother says it was his time in the military that changed him. >> he was very disappointed,

very disappointed. but it may be that he -- the ideal that he thought of our government, of what he thought the military represented, it just didn't live up to his expectations. >> reporter: now since that shooting, so much of downtown dallas had been shut down, cordoned off as a crime scene. today, we've learned that some of those roads will begin to reopen as this city tries to get back to some semblance of normalcy. pop poppy? >> victor, thank you so much. also this break overnight, more protests across the country against the police shooting deaths of two black men, one in louisiana, one in minnesota. police arresting at least 16 people in atlanta there. hundreds taking to the streets. and a third day of protests in downtown chicago. up to 1,000 people took to the

streets there. those demonstrations did remain peaceful. this as funeral arrangements have now been set for those two men gunned down by police. castile will be laid to rest thursday. alton sterling's funeral is friday in louisiana. >> we'll cover those events as well. let's discuss the latest with dallas police department deputy chief and chairman of the police association, malik aziz. we hear that the investigation is going to review 170 hours of body cam footage and lots of statements from those involved. why, what needs to be investigated in this regard? >> well, i think what you're seeing now is a very thorough dallas police department at the direction of our chief, david brown. as he says, no stone will remain unturned. we'll turn over everything. those investigators are working tireless hours. many of them have been ordered to go home and get some sleep,

get some rest. they're running on fumes. they're going to try to make connections to connections that we're making and those take hours upon hours and they're going to keep looking at video footage of a horrific and tragic encounter and they're not going to get any rest trying to do it so the world will know in the coming weeks and the coming months just what was the insight into this mind of what made a person turn into a killer and cause such great havoc to our dallas police department and harm to law enforcement officers across this nation. we know what needs to be done. and we're looking at it. and i trust our dallas police investigators and homicide investigators. some of the best that this world has to offer. so you're going to so some things come out. and you're going to hear from our chief. and he's going to keep the public updated. and we can look at this in detail of what was the actual

outcome, chris. >> i guess the goal is to see if anybody else was involved or if there was a larger plot. the take from the house, while rumored to be a huge cache didn't really turn out that way. there was several pounds of low grade explosive devices -- or materials. not a lot of weapons there. do you think this man just had ideas in this head or did he have any designs to be able to do anything bigger? >> well, only thing i can answer that is the idea of destruction should be enough. that's what started it right here few blocks from me to kill five of my brothers. so i'll leave it at that. i'll leave it to the analysts and criminologists and experts to determine when is enough enough because enough for us was just a few days ago when five of my brothers fell right here down the street and caused so much hurt to the dallas police department and the law enforcement across this nation.

>> all right. let me ask you something else. there are a lot of statistics being flown around right now about the reality of policing and its impact on black communities. in your experience, working with the community and working on the job in many different capacities, do you believe that african-americans receive harsher treatment from police in general? >> you know, that's like a double-edged sword type of question. all of this is resolving around treatment that african-americans are perceiving. whether that is real or per received, in law enforcement, delivering services to a community in some form or fashion. so whether that is millions upon millions of contacts that are given each and every day across this country with the large amount of law enforcers versus the complaints that are generated, unnecessary force or

even necessary force, force period, across this nation. so we're getting into that -- getting into a political conversation right here today on the backs of our brothers who fell. that would probably be wrong for me to deliver that from -- i can't separate myself from being a black man. i can't even separate myself from the badge that i wear. i can't separate myself from the 100,000 black police officers that i carry a voice for. so it's a political type question to me, laden with stats. and i heard that earlier. yes, treatment we know sometimes, treatment is harsh, treatment is real and treatment is also perceived. >> let's talk about the memorial then. what are you hoping to hear from the president today? >> well, you know, what i want to hear from the president is i know there are political agendas on each side, from whatever side the aisle you sit on. for those families, they're

going to see the leader of the free world and two of the most powerful men in the world sit among them and speak to them. and i think that's going to mean the world to them that a president of the strongest country in the world is going to speak to them and talk about his -- the sympathy and extend condolences to the family and give hugs and give some love. but he's also going to say where he thinks the conversation should go, where law enforcement should be. and we hope that it's not politicized and we remember the people and the families who are in the audience who are listening, that today would be a day for them to actually have a moment to embrace leadership and feel that from the highest level -- highest levels of government that this country has to offer. so i'm expecting him to deliver a really direct message to the

family and to the world and i hope that both sides of the aisle can come in the middle of today and just let it be what it is, an appreciation for law enforcement today, an appreciation for law enforcement today. >> for the audience, i'm going to put up the slain officers, their faces and their names. brent thompson, michael krol, lorne ahrens, michael smith and patrick zamarripa. what do you think the legacy of these officers to be? >> you know, i think you heard last night some of the friends who are around them at that time, at the time of the tragedy. you seen it last night, a display of love. i think the legacy for fallen law enforcement officer is for us to never forget them. see, we never forget. we have memorials on national police week every may. it seems like it's just us. pretty soon when the cameras are

gone and the light rts dark and the people go home, they forget about that we lose brothers and sisters every year. we lose 40, 50, 60 or more officers every year. and it's often forgotten. the legacy is to never forget, never forget the contributions in your city of what law enforcement officers have made. they've made a great sacrifice in your cities. they've given the ultimate sacrifice just so citizens can live and live in a safe environment in the greatest country in the world. in dallas, i don't want our residents, our business and our residential community to forget about us every day. and don't forget about us during national police week. don't forget about the names inscribed on a wall, on a memorial. we see pictures on the wall every day. we talk about them every day. we wear wristbands around our wrist every day.

operation blue shield, the thin blue line, we remember our brothers. i'm asking the citizens to remember us every day just like we do. let that be the legacy. >> thank you for the thoughtful words. appreciate it on "new day." coming up in the next hour, we're going to talk live with dallas mayor mike rawlings. what does he see as the challenges today and moving forward. tomorrow night, we're going to have a special two-hour town hall. "black, white, and blue: america 2016." we all know what the problems are, and they all deserve discussion. don lemon moderating at 10:00 p.m. eastern. >> important discussion. donald trump predicting potentially more violence ahead this summer. he says this nation is far mo divided than president obama believes it is. this as new audio surfaces from

2008. good morning, jason. >> good morning to you, poppy. not only is donald trump saying that the nation is divided. in an interview with the associated press, he criticized the black lives matter movement saying the name itself is divisive. during his speech yesterday, he borrowed a page from the richard nixon campaign saying he is the law and order candidate. >> it's time for our hostility against our police and against all members of law enforcement to end and end immediately right now. >> reporter: donald trump addressing for the first time out on the campaign trail the dallas ambush and recent police-involved shooting deaths. >> i am the law and order candidate. >> reporter: and blasting his democratic rival. >> hillary clinton on the other hand is weak, ineffective, pandering, and as proven by her recent e-mail scandal, she's either a liar or grossly

incompetent. >> reporter: this as the "wall street journal" uncovers contradicting audio from trump's syndicated radio segment. the audio clips revealing yet again inconsistencies in the billionaire's rhetoric. his own words in 2008. >> i know her and she'd make a good president or a good vice president. a lot of people think a clinton/obama or obama/clinton pairing would be a dream ticket in november. >> reporter: a far cry from his attacks on the trail now. >> wherever hillary clinton goes corruption and scandal follow. she'll never be able to do the job. her judgment is horrible. she will be such a lousy president, folks. >> reporter: in may of 2008, trump condemned west virginia lawmakers for proposing gun classes on hunting in schools. >> we hear way too many stories about school violence. the thought of voluntarily putting guns in the classroom

seems like a really bad plan. >> reporter: then trump eight years later. >> you know what a gun-free zone is to a sicko? that's bait. i will get rid of gun-free zones on schools. you have to. and on military bases. i don't want to have guns in classrooms. although in some case teachers should have guns in classrooms, frankly. >> joe biden and jeb bush questioning trump's ability to deliver on his promises. >> look at donald trump and what he's saying and ask yourself is it believable. >> i think people are going to really feel betrayed. >> reporter: bush did compliment trump for being able to, in his words, exploit the media. trump also said providing more jobs would help solve many more problems in the country, especially faced by african-american communities. when asked what he would say to african-americans who feel

targeted by police, trump said we have to talk to them and build up their spirit. >> jason, appreciate the reporting very much. there's certainly enough challenges to be had. on the democratic side, you got bernie sanders and hillary clinton poised for a unifying moment that the democrats have certainly been waiting for for months. sanders is expected to endorse clinton today. how will he do it and what will it mean to the clinton canadiday candidacy? jeff zeleny is live in new hampshire with details. >> reporter: good morning, chris. it has been 35 days since hillary clinton effectively clenched this democratic nomination. today here in new hampshire, bernie sanders completes that circle. and just in time, one week before the democratic convention. you may wonder what has been taking him so long. he wanted to move the democratic party platform a bit to the left. the clinton campaign was willing

to be patient up until a point because they need him to take on donald trump. >> i am going to do everything that i can to defeat donald trump. i think donald trump would be a disaster for this country. i think it is inconceivable that we have -- would have a president who insults mexicans and latinos and muslims and women and african-americans. and i'm going to do everything i can to defeat a donald trump. >> reporter: important that this is happening here in new hampshire. that is by design. bernie sanders won this critical battleground state by 22 points back in february. the clinton campaign believes they need him to help win over some voters to her side. i'm told by his advisors he is all in. he will be campaigning here in new hampshire and states like michigan, like ohio, trying to get working class voters to his side. he wants democrats to win control of the senate as well. if they do, he could be chairman of the budget committee.

that's one other reason he is falling in line today here in new hampshire. >> right. and he got the democratic platform on board with $15 minimum wage. and his team said they got about 80% of what they wanted. jeff zeleny live for us this morning, thank you so much. president obama and former president george w. bush joining forces today in dallas trying to help the city heal and help a nation heal. a congresswoman who lives just blocks away from where that ambush all played out will join me next. a food truck. then your rates go through the roof. perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. and if you do have an accident, our claims centers are available to assist you twenty-four seven. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

>> welcome back to "new day." president obama and former president george w. bush are heading to dallas today. they will honor those five police officers ambushed on thursday night. this marks the 11th time president obama has had to visit an american city and try to comfort its people following a mass shooting. texas congresswoman eddie ber nice johnson will follow president obama today. lives just a few blocks from where the ambush happened.

thank you for being with me. i know it is tough. >> thank you very much. i appreciate the invitation. >> i think the word that i have heard the most over the past week is divided. let's talk about your dallas. is your dallas divided right now or is there more hope, more healing than perhaps the national conversation is embracing? >> my dallas is divided, but we're working on it. we recognize there is a divide. it's always been a divide. but we put a lot of effort in working on that divide. the mayor of the city has worked with it. i have been working with the police force since the early '70s where we've had my first interim study as a lawmaker was on police relations in dallas. from that point until now, i've had a working relationship with every police chief including the president police chief.

there has been great effort meet and i think we have a good police department. >> you look at the relationship between the mayor of dallas and the police chief, we're going to have the mayor on as a guest later in the program, as an example really for much of the nation, right? >> i think so. i would certainly recommend the dallas police force as model police force for the nation. not perfect. but made great strides and working very well with the community. >> so let's talk about president obama and president bush, part of why they're coming together today is to show a republican and a democrat coming together as one. what are the words that the people of dallas, on both -- on all sides need to hear from both of these men? >> well, i think that they need to emphasize that we need to get rid of the proliferation of guns on the street, war weapons that are killing many people at one

time. and also we need to improve our mental health care in this country. >> let's talk about mental health. it's an important conversation chris had with our guest at the top of the show. look -- we'll see if the president does bring up gun control in these remarks, but addressing mental health. do you feel like that has been given enough of a focus in this situation and so many other mass shootings? >> no. i don't think we've given enough attention to mental health throughout the nation, but certainly it has not been given any attention in my state. we are simply treating mentally ill people in our jails and our prisons. >> that is something that the police chief david brown brought up yesterday that struck so many of us. he said we cannot do it all and he mentioned mental health. let's listen. >> we're asking cops to do too much in this country. we are. we're just asking us to do too much. every societal failure we put it

off on the cops to solve. policing was never meant to solve all those problems. i just ask for other parts of our democracy along with the free press to help us, to help us and not put that burden all on law enforcement to resolve. >> is he right? are they being asked to do too much? >> he's exactly right. yes, i believe he's exactly right. we've got to support what the police need. you know, they go to the academies, and i've even tried to impact that curriculum over the years. they've made some efforts, but they cannot do it all by themselves. we have got to make sure that we not only have laws, but we enforce them. there are opportunities for intervention when people have obvious mental problems. we also must take these war weapons off the street. they're not hunting weapons. they are war weapons. we need them off the street. >> congresswoman, i know you

have quite a day ahead. we wish you and the city all the best. i know you have a very important meeting on saturday with community leaders, members of the police trying to find a way to come together. we wish you all the best with that. >> thank you very much. >> programming note for you, the speaker of the house paul ryan speaking about donald trump, his party, his party's agenda. it is a live town hall hosted by jake tapper tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern only right here. chris? more headaches for hillary clinton over the e-mails. top republicans want the justice department to investigate whether she lied to congress. is the request worthwhile? is it overkill? the clinton campaign responds next. e that? jill's gobbling up our bird's eye teriyaki broccoli. (mind-blowing sound) and look ben is going for more buffalo cauliflower. (mind-blowing sound) everybody's a veggie lover now. what do you think? (mind-blowing sound) mind blown. bird's eye flavor full. so veggie good.

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to congress and they want that investigated as a crime for lying under oath. let's discuss with brian fallon. thanks for being on "new day." is today the day that bernie sanders says i endorse hillary clinton? >> well, i don't want to preempt what senator sanders may say. i think it will make a powerful statement that they're going to appear on a stage for the first time. it is will a tremendous statement about the unity that is happening right now in our party. just yesterday, friendships, chris, you saw the communications workers in america, the biggest labor union that had supported senator sanders in the primary, come out and support hillary clinton. so i think all signs point to the fact that we're going to have a very united party going into philadelphia. when you compare it to the

republicans, we're going to be miles ahead of them. they're going backwards in terms of consolidating their party. >> so that's the positive. on the negative side, the e-mail scandal not going away. you have gop leadership that want your candidate investigated for lying to them when she was under oath testifying about the e-mail scandal. is there anything that hillary clinton would want to retract or say differently to congress now? >> chris, this is pure partisan overreach. let me begin by stressing once again that hillary clinton recognizes that this was an error, this was a mistake to set up her e-mail arrangement this way. the fbi constructducted a sever months long investigation and they said absolutely not. republicans didn't like that outcome. so now they're trying to keep this issue alive and continue attacking hillary clinton over this even though fbi director comey testified last week that no reasonable prosecutor would

have brought a case here. you saw last week, paul ryan wrote a letter to the director of national intelligence and suggested hillary clinton should not receive briefings as the democratic party's nominee. just yesterday, director clapper ruled that out. said it was complete politics. this effort by jason chaffetz is going to similarly fall flat. >> some of it is obviously politics, but some of it is also consensus. if you look at the "washington post" poll out about this, you see that people feel that not having action to charge clinton, they disapprove of that. 56/35. there is a theory that sure, hillary clinton when she sat with the fbi didn't lie to them because she knew it was going to be a felony. but that doesn't exist unless you get caught when she was talking to congress. and now, the investigation -- the investigation that's being called for, what she said to us

before congress that she asked for permission, she didn't ask for permission. there's no record of her asking for permission. that's a lie. are you worried about the implication of that kind of deduction? >> what she said to the interviewers of the justice dent department is consistent with what she said all along. she was truthful in all her comments to the interviewers a week ago. i think there's no question that in reaction to the press conference that director comey held a week ago today that some questions were raised. there seems to be apparent contradictions between what director comey laid out on tuesday and what secretary clinton has long said. then you have to account for what he said on tuesday. and that poll you referenced actually was -- began prior to his more extended comments on thursday. for instance, only if you listen to the director on thursday did you learn that the three e-mails

he initially said were marked classified were improperly marked. it was only on thursday that he said that indeed, the matter of her e-mail setup was a matter of convenience for her. that's why she set it up. it was only on thursday that he said there was no evidence that he made any untruthful statements to the fbi. on issue after issue that critics keep trying to harp on, director comey said some very helpful things. i think the public is still absorbing that. >> give me your take on why you don't want to go to dallas. we don't want to politicize it, but it is an inherently political event, it's about defining who we are, what we tolerate, what we accept and what we don't. why not more from the secretary about what's going on down there? why not a president? >> out of respect for what happened on thursday night, we pulled out our whole campaign

schedule on friday. we had a big rally planned for friday. we decided it was in the best interest of everyone to postpone that. we did, though, keep an event on the schedule where she made remarks at the ame convention in philadelphia. we devoted the entirety of her comments to talk about the issues raised by the events of last week. with a day like today, i think it's sending a powerful signal that you have president obama on the one hand attending and also former president bush. i think that's a strong statement of unity. i think the idea of presidential politics descending on dallas on a day like today is ill considered. there will be plenty of opportunity to keep talking about the need to honor the sacrifice and bravery of those in the line of duty. and i'm sure she'll be in texas before long. >> brian fallon, thank you. >> thank you. important discussion. coming up next, donald trump

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welcome back to "new day." donald trump warning that the violence spreading across the country right now may be just the beginning of what he is calling a long, dangerous summer. the presumptive republican nominee sounding a lot like

richard nixon in a number of ways, declaring himself the, quote, law and order candidate, talking about his plan to defeat isis, but he won't tell us what it is. is this the man that can restore the country to greatness, as he says? let's talk about that and potential vp pick with steve forbes. he ran for president as a republican twice in '96 and 2000. but he tells me he's not going to cleveland. you're going to go visit the grand kids instead. before you do that, let's talk about what is ahead in cleveland and let's listen to donald trump speaking about being a law and order candidate. >> not only am i the law and order candidate, but i'm also the candidate of compassion. believe it. the candidate of compassion. but you can't have true compassion without providing safety. it's the job of the next

president to make america safe again for everyone. everyone. >> reminds you of the mid-'60s, it reminds you of richard nixon saying i am the law and order candidate. is this a voice of unifying people or is this a voice of dividing people right now? >> well, 1968 when richard nixon came up with that phrase, people thought crime was out of control, people wanted something done about it, and he sees the issue in a way the democrats did not. this time, i think americans feel, and trump said it in that statement yesterday, are we treating police and like we treated vietnam veterans like we did in the 1960s and '70s. so when you get incidents like such as happened in louisiana or minnesota, yes, those things have to be fully investigated.

and if wrongdoing was done, the officers should be punished. but people feel those are isolated incidents, the police are under huge pressure and not getting the support they need to deal with crime. >> you haven't endorsed donald trump yet. >> i said always i'd endorse the republican nominee and he's about to become that. >> so you are? >> i'll be supporting him. >> but when he says things like i'm the law and order candidate or when he says i have a plan to defeat isis, i'm just not going to tell you what it is tonight, he sounds a lot like richard nixon and his secret plan to end the vietnam war. a lot of people are saying is he akin to richard nixon, is that the leader we need right now, these are different times than the 1960s, although reflective of them. >> in terms of supporting the police, i think that is a very potent issue. and people feel if you don't have community support of the police, they can't do their job.

when they go make a routine arrest, they're going to be accosted, they have to look over their shoulder. most americans don't want that to happen in other cities what's happened in baltimore and others. >> does he remind you of nixon? >> no. he reminds me of donald trump. trump is absolutely unique. in terms of fighting isis, he makes a point that if you put your strategy out in the front, the enemy's going to know it. but in terms of fighting terrorism, i think he's been very clear on that. in terms of beefing up the military. what gives that such potency he's also made clear that he's not looking for dragons to slay. he thought it was a mistake to go into libya. thought it was a mistake to go into iraq. >> he didn't always -- just to be clear, he didn't always say it was a mistake to go into iraq. he said on a radio show long time ago, i wish we weren't in this situation, but okay.

ben sass, republican, wrote a fascinating post on medium last night. he said, today, i don't have confidence about either of the current frontrunners. i think one of them does not even know the constitution and what it's about and the other one doesn't care. this coming from a republican who's calling upon people's conscience as they vote. what do you make about that and just the division that it shows within your party? >> you've got both parties, even though hillary clinton and bernie sanders are going to have a love fest today, the fact of the matter is, a lot of sanders supporters are leaning towards donald trump. >> you don't have democratic senators writing that about their presumptive nominee right now. >> how many other senators have been writing that? both parties have nominees with extremely high negative rates. the challenge for hillary clinton is that her negatives are more frozen, rock solid than donald trump. what donald trump has to do is

assuage the doubters. this will start with this pick for vp. he did well with picking supreme court justices. in the vp pick, he picks somebody people say, okay -- >> let me get your vp pick for donald trump. who do you think he should go with as we see the potential candidates right there? >> well, i lost count at 20. >> of these men on the screen. newt gingrich, chris christie, mike pence, jeff sessions or michael flynn. which one? >> i'm not sure it's going to be any of them. you could have the former governor of indiana emerge. you could have nikki haley emerge. >> although he said he will in the next three to four days. >> he could change his mind again. but if it's somebody that people say, hey, this is a person with experience, not on the original

trump team, hey, maybe this -- this guy can put it together. that's what you have to do now is assuage the doubters. both have very high negatives and both are going to have to put out positive messages. >> we will watch. you don't think it will be anyone -- >> wouldn't be surprised at all. i'm not going to bet a penny of my 401(k) on any of those. >> later on the program, on "new day," we will have retired lieutenant general michael flynn to talk to us about what he might see. will he be trump's running mate? stay with us for that. all right, if we put some of the situations we're dealing with now in context, we have the dallas sniper attacks, the ongoing conversation about race and policing. what will it take to move us past where we are right now because we never seem to get any better? we have q-tip here, rapper,

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so what do we do? we know what the problem is. we know what the pain is.

but how do we move past that and come together the way everybody suggests we should? hiphop legend q-tip, thank you for coming on the show. you do not do media lightly. but for this, you say, it matters. let's start with our moment of crisis, dallas today, the president is going down there. he's going to talk about these slain officers. what do you think it is important for people to take from what happened there? >> i think mainly it's the loss of life. you know, when you get to -- i'm kind of paraphrasing frederick douglas who was saying something to the degree of if we become humanity, again paraphrasing, that has little regard for life, what kind of humanitiy tare we? i think that's probably the main

thing. there's people who aren't able to return to their families. so i think that that's probably the main thing. you want to bring about some sort of calm so that hopefully -- i think the most important thing is there really needs to be serious dialogue, obviously. and there also needs to be change within policing and how i think even down to how police get hired. >> how so? >> i mean, i think that when you're dealing with people, you have to kind of in a way be almost like a pseudo psychologist. you have to understand psyche, nuance of situations. you can't let your history or your proclivities about different people or races run interference into your job. so i think there needs to be

like a higher bar set for people who are allowed on the force. because it's such a delicate job. >> very often you'll hear from the policing perspective, well, our problem is what comes our way, that there's not the respect for police, that people talk back, push back, that they don't comply. and that escalates situations and leads to a lot of the things that then winds up getting protested against. >> i say this as a black man that grew up in new york city. you know, there is very little regard for the police because the way we've been treated so many years. you know, how do you expect us to have like this glowing report of you overall? and then finally and probably i guess the 150th or 200th year or whatever, it comes to a head before the social media, all of our events.

you get to see it. it gets polarized. it gets played over and over. i think there needs to be some repair between the communities and the police. i think that on one hand the police need to be viewed as, you know, that they have their sensitivities and, you know, trying to look on their side. some of them don't get paid the best. some of them, you know, go through the tensions of the job. but then on the other side, as the citizens, we go through the constant badgering. the death. the unjust scrutiny. >> and you've experienced that as well. when you were growing up here in the city, in queens, you would have cops as part of your life. and you're saying the experience was not always positive? >> no, it wasn't. but i think that, you know, we

really need to anchor onto a lot of our young organizers and young leaders, whether it be blm, whether it be colors of change, whether it be dream defenders. these voices that are here today don't need to be shunned at and over looked. >> how do you bridge the hostilities? because you'll have the police, they'll hold their line and say, comply, follow the law, do what i tell you to do, we don't have a problem. >> right. >> and that's going to be seen as unreasonable to some. and then on the other side you'll have certain protesters say what you say which is that we want better. and others say, we hate the police, the police need to die and then they'll start to change. that is not going to ever create any kind of connection between the two sides.

so what do we do? >> i think the police really need to hear the voices of the citizens. i think they need to hear the people in the neighborhood. every neighborhood is not the same. certain neighborhoods have certain issues and i think that police need to be queue ecued i new ounces of tnew answeuances . there's some kids that could have a talent, but seem to get in the way of trouble. so i think police need to be more cognizant and aware of the movements of the neighborhood. and on the other hand i think once we feel safe and secure with that, then i think that we could start to understand where police stand. right now they're the ones that

have all the power. it's tipped all in their favor. it really is. and we are at a disadvantage. >> you say that the thing that brought you onto tv today and what you want to say, this is just the first step. you say when you say talk to police, you want to talk with a group of individual who are concerned with commissioner bratton. >> i grew up in the city. i believe that new york city is the satellite city to the world. i came up in new york city during a period where there was a lot of crime and it was just out of control. and i feel like when i see certain things that bratton says, i kind of understand it but i see where he's in error in certain things. and i don't want to berate him or take him down. i want to have the opportunity to be able to talk to him, to bring some of those young people that i spoke about from these

organizations there to talk to him so that he can have an understanding of what it is that we really need so that hopefully this singular "we" as african-americans, latinos, people of color who are under duress from the police, through these kind of conversations and this kind of work, he could be inclusive of the we. we have that kind of utopia. we believe that the idea of america is a great idea. it's a great premise when it was written up hundreds and hundreds of years ago. but it's our duty, all of us now, seriously to really make sure that becomes a reality. >> let this be a first step. the invitation is out, commissioner bratton. >> come on. please. we got to at least sit down and have -- you got to have some kind of understanding of where we're coming from and vice versa. the only way that can happen is sitting in a room and talking.

>> q-tip, thank you for taking the first step. we'll have you back on the show. we want to find out about this meeting and make it happen. >> yeah. appreciate it. there's a lot of news to get to this morning. let's do it. >> i love my son all my heart. i hate what he did. >> we as a city, we as a country must come together. >> the first time i've ever heard police say my guys are frightened. >> this is deeply troubling. >> who do you serve? who do you protect? >> i am the law and order candidate. >> tell us what you stand for. >> people are dying in the streets. >> black lives matter! >> i don't know why this has to be us against them. this has to stop. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota.

>> it's tuesday, july 12th. poppy harlow is here. >> good to be here. >> president obama heading to class on an all too familiar mission of comfort. he's going to speak at a memorial for the five police officers killed in the line of duty. this will be the 11 th visit for the president to a city torn apart by mass shooting. >> the city's police chief in dallas remembering his fallen comrades as superheroes. >> faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. look, it's a train, it's a plane. no. look, it's brent thompson.

look, it's michael krol. look, it's michael smith. god speed. god bless you. >> the chief choosing such a different way and such a poignant way to remember these officers. let's continue that message now with the dallas mayor, mayor mike recaawlings. the city needs attention as much now as ever. what do you think of how the chief decided to remember these officers by harkening us back to the early superman days of how to see what these men were in their lives? >> he's right. for his and my generation, that metaphor is perfect, because those are the people -- that was the image that saved us all and

that's what our police officers do day in and day out. not only in dallas, but throughout this country. they are superheros. >> what does dallas need right now? there's this proposition that there has to be healing that takes place. how, in your opinion? >> first of all, i think mourning is a healthy thing. we all have to go through it. mourning not only lets us integrate our feelings, but it helps us come together. we do it during births and weddings and funerals. and our city will be better because of that. also, it gives us pause to think about what we want to do in the future, how we want to change. and i think that's an important part of the psyche. >> what do you see as the questions going forward? it's hard to look at this one shooting as a metaphor for what the social condition is, because this guy was a madman. yes, he was motivated by what he saw out there with black lives matter. but he was deranged. he was a madman.

even his parents say it, that he had somehow lost it. what do you see as the problem and the challenges in addressing that problem? >> chris, i think you're really correct. we're very proud of what we've done as a police force. we had the lowest police-involved shootings. we had some of the best practices in the nation and yet it happened to us. so if it can happen to us, it can happen any place. i think it does call on us as individual to change our attitude. most of us, when we say we want a change, means we want the other guy to change and not me. the question is as a country do each of us look in our heart and want too st want to step forward and try to build that bridge so we can all get over that together? >> i am techmpted by the opportunity to make use of it because people are paying attention right now.

all mayors say everybody wants us to do community policing and more training and then they cut our budgets. and national and political figures say they want to help, but never any block grants, never any money to do what they say needs to be done. is that a reality? >> i think so. it's a reality at state houses and at the highest legislative branches. for me, what they can do is help us with mental health. ladies and gentlemen, we have a mental health crisis in america. and if we don't deal with it just because it's invisible, it comes back and finds us on our front porch just like this or what happened in orlando or charleston. other places that it breaks our heart. and so that's where we're going to have to find the spending and make some tough decisions on that.

>> again, there is an irony, an obvious one here, that dallas was targeted when the police force there has made such inroad in the community and done so many things that are encouraged as a way to deal with the racial aspects of policing and yet we're dealing with this tragedy where things had been getting better. what do you think works in terms of addressing the concerns of minority communities about police? >> well, i think all of the above. you've got to reach out to communities. you have to talk. chief brown was one of the first to train in de-escalation. we've got to integrate at the high levels. we've got to do those things. but we can never do those things and lose our self esteem as a police force, as a city, as a rule of law. we must be proud of that, constantly improving, versus trying to chase the shiny

object. and if we do that and balance those things at the same time, i think we'll make progress. >> mr. mayor, what's your take on what dallas means? i hear from many of the officials down there in your city who say, this guy who did this was mentally ill. don't look at this as a reflection of what's going on. yes, there are protesters with black lives matter here. yes, that matters, but that's not what this was. then you have people running for president who say this is just the beginning, it's going to get worse. we're going to see more killing. what do you think? >> i think leaders are hopeful. leaders paint a vision that is better. and i believe that dallas will be better, i believe texas will be better and the united states will be better from this. we must be ever vigilant and have a sense of urgency to deal with issues like mental health, like community policing, like best practices. we must always focus. but we are here to paint a future that is better, not to

paint a cloud that is a doomsday scenario. >> mr. mayor, you and the chief are certainly not opportunists, but you certainly did rise to the opportunity. and this is a unique way to have to work with a police chief that you have here. what have you learned about this man that you call your partner now, the chief of police? >> hopefully chief brown, the mayor, city council, just a representative of this city. he grew up here, like so many citizens with grit and determination. but he is steely eyed, determined, willing to make the tough choices. and most importantly, he's intelligent enough to know that we can do better, but first and foremost we must support our police officers. it's got to start there. and constantly move better versus the flip-flop. >> mr. mayor, this is a situation that demanded

leadership, and you and the chief have provided it beautifully for all to see. thank you for joining us on "new day" and the best for the memorial today. >> god bless all your viewers. >> thank you, sir. >> certainly have led beautifully. let's talk to some of the folks that serve the city of dallas as we're learning frightening new details about exactly how this ambush unfolds on thursday night as the peaceful protesters watched the gunman open fire on police in horror. >> is that a cop down? dude, that's a cop down. >> yes. >> that's four cops down. >> four? >> yes. he shot five, seven times. >> it's a dude? >> no. it's a sniper from up here somewhere. >> it's a sniper? >> you hear the shots? get down, get down! >> it was deputy martin's second

week on the job. thank you both for being with us. thank you for what you do for your city in serving. let me start with you deputy martin. your second weekend, i can't imagine. this plays out. walk me through what it was like responding. >> well, it was kind of crazy, because we heard over the radio that shots were fired and one officer was down. my training officer automatically putting his car in drive and we get to the scene and we arrive and right when we get there we hear shots ringing. we don't know where it's coming from at the moment. all of a sudden he says, get out, get on his side. i do that and i could actually smell the rounds being shot out. that's how close we were to the situation. >> wow. >> like i said, it was a shocker. >> you could smell the rounds. depu deputy, can you share with us what your fellow officers in blue said to you that night,

said to you in those moments? >> basically, you know, they were just saying we need to set up a perimeter at that time and get all the civilians away from the situation that were around there. because there was a dart train that came through and left some people out there in the open with it. and we had to get them out of there also. had to worry about, of course my trainee, my partner right here and making sure he was okay and making sure he stayed with me the whole time. >> did they ever speak about concern for their own safety? >> you talking about the civilians? >> the officers. did the officers -- >> the officers? >> yeah. >> no. our main -- everybody's main goal was to get out there, find whoever is doing all this and put it to a stop. >> i want you both to listen to

something that the chief of police there in dallas, david brown, said there yesterday about welcoming protesters to join your ranks. >> we're hiring. we're hiring. get out that protest line and put an application in and we'll put you in your neighborhood and we will help you resolve some of the problems you protesting about. >> deputy martin that is an interesting, unique response to protesters, some of them who were protesting you and your comrades and actions of police officers. what did you make of hearing that? >> i mean, you know, it's like he says. it's not an easy job to do. you've got a lot of things going on every day. and you've just got to try your best to apply what you learned through your training. so it's like chief brown said.

join the ranks, i mean. it's not an easy job. >> would you like to see that? can you see a point in time when some of those protesting could join you in what you do, make things better as a whole? >> absolutely. i thought it was a good step forward for the chief to say that. it brings everybody to have open eyes about it. it's like deputy martin right here said. it's not an easy job. it takes a certain kind of person to put on this uniform every day and step in and try to help out the community. for him to say that was pretty awesome. >> pretty sawesome. >> deputy martin, let's wrap up with this. you said this event makes you love you job even more. how is that possible? >> the academy tries to put you in every scenario they can think

of but when situations like this happen you don't plan for this. it makes me more eager to want to try harder to fulfill my duties as a deputy sheriff in dallas county. >> thank you both for you time this morning, for what you do for you city. thank you so much. >> thank you. poppy, that's just another demonstration of these incidents that we just keep having here in this country. think about it. for president obama, he's been to almost a dozen different cities beset by mass murders. so what's the president going to say today? will it be any different? how hard is this for him? we're going to talk to reggie love, the president's former special assistant after this quick break. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo

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the problems that exist in terms of dealing with the communities that in fact are feeling put upon. >> the vice president is right, of course. there should be a consistency between valuing the life of the police officer and the people they come into contact with. but it isn't that way. we're as divided on this issue as any issue facing the american people today.

and it often falls to the president of the united states to become what we now call the consoler in chief. 11 different cities he's had to visit, all for the one and worst reason, another mass shooting. what does that do to him? how does he prepare for this? what does it mean to him? let's discuss with someone who knows him very well. reggie love. reggie, good to see you on the show as always. help us understand how this affects president obama, first of all. when you have been with him and he's heard about one of these, what does it do to him? >> good morning, chris. thanks for having me. yeah, i think it's been some tough times here in the country. in terms of how the president feels and responds about these types of situations, it's always a disheartening thing to have to

prepare to be the consoler in chief, as you mentioned it. look, i grew up in the south. i think the expectation that people are going to get things 100% right all of the time is -- isn't always the case. when i turned 16 in 1996, my parents said to me, you know what, be very careful if you get fu pulls over by the police because we don't want you to get accidentally shot. they didn't tell me stay at home, but they said look, this is part of the deal. >> for the president, he has a dual burden in these situations. he's entering them as head of the country, the ultimate power. but also as a black man. and he therefore has kind of a unique attachment to these situations. how does he balance that, in your estimation?

>> unique attachment -- i don't know how he balances it. i think you're spot on. he definitely is the first african-american president and this is something that weighs heavy for him. but he's also the leader of the free world. and i think it's important to unify the country as a whole and not just to address one specific gender or one specific race. >> what does it mean to you, this notion that we've had 11 of these. we have an african-american president. things were supposed to get better. this was supposed to be progress. this was supposed to help the politics of race in this country. and yet we seem as divided as ever. what do you make of this suggestion? >> well, i think that that suggestion is probably a little skewed. i think that technology has made

it much easier to report something that has systematically always been the case. so welcome to the party. >> and reggie, what do you think you're going to hear from the president today? what do you think his message is going to be in dallas? do you think it will be different or do you think this calls for the same as what we see every time? >> i think this is another great opportunity for him to talk about what he's already talked about before, which is the idea that given that you have these scenarios and these situations where you've got young men being shot in cars by police officers because he's armed. you've got people who are mentally unstable shooting 11 officers in dallas because he's been able to buy firearms and train in his back yard. i think this will be a great opportunity for him to address the real root of the problem, which is trying to come up with a sensible gun control policy that, you know, will help create

less fear and less apprehension for not just people who are being approached by officers of the law but also for officers of the law who are approaching normal citizens. i think this will be a great opportunity for him to move that message along. >> what do you see in the poll numbers like pew that came out last week. the question was obama has made race relations worse. 32% of white americans agreed with that proposition, only 5% of black americans. what do you see in that number? >> i laugh. as an african-american male, i can't imagine where else i would rather live than in the united states of america. the reason people want to be here is because there's opportunity. now, does that opportunity come through 100% equality? no. but still nonetheless, more

opportunity and more equality here than you're going to see in many other places in the world. >> there's no question the president is gearing up for his last big fight. he wants to see his work extended by having another democrat in the white house. he always says i'll leave my legacy to historians. all presidents say that. but as somebody who knows him well, what is your suggestion to how this president should be remembered, for what? >> you know, i have the utmost admiration and respect for president obama. i've been lucky enough to have spent many days, hours, months, years with him. and to be totally honest, i think history will remember him as someone who has always tried to make things a little bit better for everyone. you know, he's never taken a shortcut. he's never gone for the thing that's been politically the easiest. he's always done what he's

believed to be the best thing for the american people. and to t. brown's point about we leave so many challenges to be solved by the police officers, i think that it's not that we leave police officers to solve those problems. we haven't come up with solutions, so we expect our law enforcement to handle those situations until we solve them. and i think this president has worked tirelessly to, you know, deal with the incarceration rate, to deal with education inequality, to deal with the income inequality. and so i think you can't solve these things overnight, but history will remember him kindly and all the things that he's done to move those issues forward for all people. >> reggie love, you present a unique combination of intelligence and contact which gives us great perspective on

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did you know people can save over $500 when they switch to progressive? did you brush your hair today? yes, mom. why? hmm. no reason. those unable to save those cops when they came here that night, it weighs on my mind constantly. this killing, it has to stop. >> you just heard from dr. brian williams, the surgeon in charge of the trauma center at parkland memorial hospital. he was running the shift the night of the dallas ambush. his and the valiant efforts of his colleagues to save lives, pretty unimaginable. he joins me now with fellow

trauma surgeon dr. alex eastman. gentlemen, thank you both for being with us this morning. >> morning, poppy. >> thank you for having us. >> you have an important and a unique friendship and you are colleagues who save lives together. let me begin with you, dr. williams. your heart break is palpable even through the television screen. this has been gut wrenching for you and all of your colleagues. where does your city go from here right now? >> certainly obvious to me that the city is already on the path to healing. today was my first visit down to the memorial outside of headquarters. and it was an emotional time for me, but seeing all of the well wishes from citizens of the city and actually from all around the world, from what i can tell, i think that will go a long way

towards bridging the divide that exists. >> dr. eastman, tell me about the friendship between the two of you, because this goes far beyond being friends or colleagues. your families are friends. you socialize together. one of you is white, one of you is black. one of you is a police officer as well as a surgeon. this is -- it's important in this discussion, isn't it, to talk about that? because dr. williams, you've talked about the fact that you stand with law enforcement, but at the same time you have fear for your own safety at times in your life when walking past police officers. so dr. eastman, tell me about the friendship that has pl blossomed. >> i think the friendship blossomed long before we faced horror like this, poppy. and i think our friendship is exactly emblematic of why we

felt it was important to talk to you this morning. for us, we don't look at each other as a black guy and a white guy or a cop and a civilian. we're brothers. we take care of people together. i'm hoping as we move forward and the city begins to heal itself -- neither one of us have had a minute to stop and focus on ourselves. and think that's probably consistent with the way we live our lives in terms of serving people. but as we move forward in the healing process, i think it's really important that we try to show people what we know and we experience every day, which is that we all look the same on the inside and we all bleed the same on the inside. and so when you talk and spend so much time talking about how different we are, we look different, we're from different backgrounds. but at the end of the day, we're the same. we're both two trauma surgeons who have dedicated our life to take care of people who can't

take care of themselves. from my standpoint as a trauma surgeon and a dallas police lieutenant, that's what we do every day and that's what i saw my brothers and sisters do downtown on thursday night. >> i know that the two of you have started to have what you describe as the beginnings of conversations about what happens here between community and police. and those aren't conversations that you're necessarily on the exact same page on. they're not easy conversations. take us into them. what are you both grappling with right now? >> i think these conversations are not just something that he and i should be having. this is something that should be a national discussion. the number of black men that have died at the hand of police over the past several years,

it's -- they're quickly forgotten. their reputations are besmir besmirched. their families are frequently left to grieve on their own. >> sorry, go ahead. >> we're all in this together. law enforcement as an entity is not the problem. there are issues of race that permeate through all of this that need to be addressed. the black man dies. he should not have to worry about his reputation being dragged through the mud and his

family being hung out to dry simply because of his color. >> you know, i think -- >> having said that, officers, i do not blame them. they have a very, very difficult job. again, i support them. >> such important words. i think through all of this it's so important for all of us when the headlines move on, when the cameras are gone from your city to remember the families too, right, and every word that is said about people on all sides of this debate and argument, they have their children, they have mothers, theyave brothers, they have fathers and every word that is said, as your police chief said, words have meaning and we need to know on all sides that there is support. dr. eastman to you. >> i would say, poppy, i hope that one of the things that come out of this is why do we have to

wait for something truly horrific to have this discussion? because we really should be having it every day. brian and i, we talk about a lot of things on a wide variety of topics routinely of our offices are right next to each other, we see each other all the time. but we shouldn't have to wait for some horrific tragedy to have the discussion that needs to be had. while he and i have very different perspectives on our personal relationships with law enforcement and how we've come to believe what we believe, there's one thing that we certainly know together, which is that the path forward involves loving each other and focusing on how we have to come together. because at the end of the day, that's the only way forward from here. >> dr. williams -- >> love each other, at least respect each other. >> dr. williams, if it's okay with you, i'd like to spend a little bit of time talking about your daughter. because i know before this

tragedy you very -- you were very aware of the importance of showing your daughter how you interacted with police officers. for example, you would go out of your way to do things for them, to buy them ice cream, do things for them and show a strong relationship. what are you saying to your daughter right now and what's she saying to you? >> my daughter is -- she's 5 years old and i have not had any discussions with her about this. i think she's probably too young to really grasp the gravity of what is happening. to be clear, when i interact with law enforcement outside of work -- at work it's on a daily basis. but outside of the hospital just doesn't happen all the time. a handful of times a year i may

cross paths with them when i'm in a restaurant. and if i see that, i go out of my way to buy their dinners so they can see me acknowledging them. there was one incidence a couple of years ago where i had my daughter out for ice cream and there was a dallas police officer in front of me and i purchased their ice cream. for me, that's the best i can do in my situation. but i do not have encounters, traffic stops all the time. it's happened a handful of times over my lifetime. but they've been impactful. i do not see officers outside the hospital every single day, but when i do, i take time to make sure they understand that i appreciate what they do. and i want my daughter to see this as often as possible. she may not understand it, but at least she'll internalize that law enforcement is not the enemy and she will grow up without the same level of distrust that i have carried with me for my

life. >> absolutely. let's hope that is the case because as we said yesterday and i'll say it again today we all owe it to all of our children to do that. dr. brian williams, dr. alex eastman, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you, poppy. >> chris? one of the big remaining questions in the election for president is who will be the running mate? donald trump is looking for someone to help him unify the gop. here is a twist. could the best person for that job be a democrat? there is one on the short list. he is lieutenant general michael flynn. interesting man, interesting ideas. impressive background. let's put him to the test, next.

we say that he says that he's going to give us a name by the end of the week. we'll see. one of the names on the short list is actually a democrat, retired lieutenant general michael t. flynn, former

director of the intelligence agency and author of the new book "the field of fight, how we can win the global war against radical islam and its allies." >> amazing, isn't it? >> for someone who knows all about intelligence, let me ask you a question. why would you put yourself in this position of entering this have crucible of politics? >> about a year and a half ago, i decided that when i was contacted by different candidates, i decided i was going to help provide guidance to any of the candidates, either side, who wants advice on what was going on around the world because of my almost 3 1/2 decades of experience. so i hoped myself up to that and donald trump was one of the individuals who approached me. and i met with him and very impressed. >> tell me why. what impressed you about him? >> number one, he's very

serious. i felt the conversation that we had was enlightening to me. it was the kind of questions he asked, the breadth of conversation that we were able to hold. and my world has been the globe and the threats that we face, all sorts of threats, not just what i layout in the book. and i found him to ask really good, tough questions. i found him to be somebody who was willing to listen and willing to learn. >> and getting to know about you, the traits that define him as a candidate, you don't check any of those boxes. you are not a guy known for hyperbo hyperbole. you are a guy who does not exaggerate situations. you're not a salesman and you're not looking to do a lot of the things that are effective for trump. where is the sinner . >> there's a shift in this

country. those that are in the bubble of washington, d.c. or in the bubble of hollywood, they have missed what is happening in between. and i think there's a shift going on in both the democratic party and the republican party. and i'm a kid who grew up in a very strong democratic neighborhood in the state of rhode island, i don't recognize the democratic party that i learned about. i grew up in a very strong irish catholic -- nine kids in my family. and the republican party, i'm not sure they have really been able to clearly define who they are. i'm in one of these places where i deeply believe in this country. i don't believe that the direction of the country is going in the right direction. i believe that i have something to offer, but to be in the place where i'm at with this vice president stuff, i take that very seriously. it's an unbelievable honor. but you know it's not something that i stepped into that -- >> right. >> this is not what i

necessarily wanted to do. >> the word on lieutenant general mike flynn when you ask the administration is smart as hell, super dedicated. we want bad on us. decided that he was frustrated with what was going on, that he's blaming it all on us. why did you get so negative about what the administration is doing in the war against isis? what's so wrong? >> i think that's unfair that i went bad. i think i was very strong to those that i work for and frankly to the constitution of the united states. inside of the military, i was talking about this issue that's in the field of fight, you know, and what we were facing and what our intelligence community was saying to the president and the kinds of forces that were out there that were against our way of life, chris. you've seen it here in new york. we've seen it all of this country. i just think that kind of went cross wise with the administration and the message they were trying to put out.

and frankly there was the disconnect. and i was asked to leave a year early. >> what's the reality, general? what is the reality of the war against isis versus what we're being told it is by the administration? >> first thing i think we need to do is clearly define -- i mean, when the president says what does it matter to call something by its name, in this came radical islamism, that's very true we have to do that. and the big issue is to figure out ways to discredit the ideology that exist within this cancerous form of islam. and we can actually discredit that ideology just like we discredited communism, fascism, naziism. we have to clearly define it and get into the strategy really that i do outline in this book. >> so let me ask you something. if you don't get the nod for vice president, are you still going to vote for donald trump?

>> yes, absolutely. i have no problems voting for him. absolutely. i would not think a second to vote for anybody else. i think at this stage this is a guy that provide a different vision, a different way to solve problems, a different leadership style and a sense of change that i believe the majority of people in this country really are starting to look at. >> the field of fight is the book. the man is lieutenant general michael t. flynn. sir, thank you for joining us on "new day." >> thank you very much. will he be the pick? we may know in just a few days. coming up celebrities weighing in on the divide between police and communities. a from over 30 billion connected devices. just 30 billion? a bold group of researchers and computer scientists in silicon valley,

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brutality that's been going on since the beginnings of this time. but if people want to recognize a time, the '80s were a turbulent time. the police brutality only increased. and the beginnings of my group public enemy, a lot of people thought it was a policeman in the scope. no. that was a young black person. a young black male inside the scope. so this disconnect that's going on right about now i think where people feel is that black lives matter is this violent movement. it's not. it's a movement against the violence. what it is is a collective of a lot of people speaking out against it. it's about welcome like in the '60s when you had people protesting against vietnam. you have all types of people. you have all types of people in black lives matter. you have all kinds of people coming out and speaking about

this. and you have young people out there who are part of the black lives matter movement who are parents and relatives as police officers. it's about making a statement where these voices have been squashed. >> we also have to move past this polarizing negativity on both sides, whether it's people who in the name of supporting the police say the blacks, the african-americans, the minority communities, they're the problem because they don't comply and they create problems. or it's the people on the fringes of the protest movement. >> how long has that statement been going on? >> a long time. all of this has been going on a long time. >> a long time. >> how do we get past it? >> all lives matter is a great statement. but all the way up to this point, that wasn't even mentioned until black lives matter came into effect. this has been something where i think these last two generations are saying i don't understand these acquittals, yet the

murders, what is going on here? and i think the other side has to realize that you've got to get ready to know the dynamic of people. we want young people, young adults. we want our people growing into their 30s and 40s to turn from being dynamite into dynamic. but education, understanding that they have a chance in this economic system that they think is bs, that has to be the narrative that people feel that they're part of. >> how do we do that? >> if they're 30 years old -- how do we do that? >> when we came up, there was all this talk about how there was not enough color in the police force. it was too white. then they had this big push and they brought in diversity in the police force and you have it now. then it was we don't have cultural diversity.

you have a lot more diversity in the police force than you had before. you have a lot more multicultural teaching than before. we have hiphop. and yet we seem to have the exact same problems. that's the confusion that i'm bringing to you. >> the confusion is in the education, which you might say is diverse. it really hasn't been. the control of economics. you might say there's people in the community. they still don't own the skmu . community. when it comes down to enforcement, they feel that. and people feel like it's still a slave patrol. people parade around in tanks. when my father was growing up in harlem, chris, he said police used to walk the beat. whether they was black, whether they was white, they knew people. they walked the beat. this parade around in a tank, look out my window -- and here's

the quota system that we've got to make this money. so we'll stop you for a taillight. we'll tell you stop selling these cds. we'll throw tickets for jaywalking. that does not spell that everything is okay now that we have a diversity in the police force. it's still the same old game, chris. >> look, we're still seeing the same problems, that's for sure. the question is how do you move past it? i'm sure you'd like to see some progress as part of your legacy on this. you say conversation. tip said we need conversation. how hand with whom? >> the media has attached older black folks out of the narrative. it's be great to lessen the gap not just between older blacks

but just younger people in general that's able to see older blacks spell it out for them. this whole, well, the young people are going to have all the answers. and you see five talking heads on television all competing against each other and then you have breaking news come out. you're going to flash over to the breaking news and leave the narrative. young folks last 30 years say this is bs, this is some garbage. then they see the political turmoil and they say politicians just about that same old game right here. what do you expect in movement? one thing we appreciate with the movement that people are becoming less individualized and they are collecting and coming together and making a statement because they're ignored by the media. they're ignored by the politics. they're ignored by the country. and they're even gravitating to other places around the world who are looking at the united states of america as a crazy place that can't get it

together. while fixated and attached to the gun. when the president comes out and says we've got to do something about the guns and the nra goes into their laughing mode. what do you think he got to say about this? >> chuck d, you're raising good points and questions. we'll hear what the president has to say today down in dallas. let's move this conversation forward and not let it stall out. >> education will help the anger, but the anger is already there. so you want to diffuse the anger with some real answers that gives somebody a chance of being dynamite into dynamic. >> it's a line from a man who knows how to write them. newsroom begins right now. thanks, chris. that's right. let's roll it. ♪ good tuesday morning. thank you for joini