don will moderate tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern and 7:00 pacific and the cnn town hall. black, white and blue america 2016. that's it for me. thanks for watching. ier inburnett "out front" starts right now. out front next, the breaking news, donald trump holding last-minute vp interviews and tryouts and he says in his mind it's down to two finalists. will he go with his mind or with his gut? >> the case of philando castile, what happened before the video started and after it stopped? tonight, new details and multiple people shot to death in the same neighborhood all at random late at night. is this the work of a serial killer? let's go out front. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, the breaking

news, it is down to the wire. the final hours and donald trump in a frenzy last-minute round of talks to pick his v.p. candidate. a senior trump adviser saying the gop presumptive nominee has not made his choice yet and he will decide in the next 24 hours and the day began at indiana governor mike pence's home and trump's daughter ivanka sat down with pence and trump later giving the meeting a two thumbs up. newt gingrich flying on a plane provided by fox news host sean hannity in a strange turn of events coming after fox news ended his paid consultancy at fox. it was gingrich who called for the meeting and gingrich later seen leaving trump's indianapolis hotel in the same motorcade as trump's children. chris christie spoke with trump by phone today. the conversation said to include the vice presidency. speaking to fox news, trump

praised the new jersey governor. >> chris christie is someone i've liked a long time. he's a total professional and a good guy, by the way. a lot of people don't understand that, but i'm narrowing it down. i'm at three potentially four, but in my own mind i probably am thinking about two. >> pretty interesting, though, that decision truly going to be made in his own mind and that is one of the reasons it isn't leaking out because no one else knows and sunlan, by all accounts, donald trump very much undecided. in my own head there's two. he's having trouble deciding. >> reporter: he does seem at this point still very torn and he is actively deliberating and we are told that no decision has been made. sources telling cnn, though, that his gut is telling him chris christie, but there are many powerful and influential voices from his campaign and from his family who are also pushing for newt gingrich and

governor mike pence, but certainly the flurry of activity and meetings that took place here in this indianapolis hotel underscoring how trump is very much grappling with his final pick. donald trump is nearing a final decision and possibly one of the most important of his campaign, his choice of a running mate. >> i'm narrowing it down. i'm at three, potentially four, but in my own mind i probably am thinking about two. >> the presumptive republican nominee and his family having a private breakfast with indiana governor mike pence at the governor's mansion in indianapolis. >> it was just very warm and just one family meeting with another and we were honored to have not only mr. trump, but a number of his children. >> a trump campaign source tells trump and pence and their families are getting along fabulously during the indiana trip. >> trump's hoosier state visit included a rally tuesday night

with pence getting a chance to audition for the role. >> to paraphrase the director of the fbi, i think it would be extremely careless to elect hillary clinton as the next president of the united states. but trump is not tipping his hand. >> i don't know whether he's going to be your governor or your vice president. who the hell knows? >> reporter: with a final decision looming, trump holding meetings with other contenders today in indianapolis, including former house speaker newt gingrich who has support among some trump family members. >> just a little bit like "the apprentice." you find out sooner or later who the last one standing is. >> reporter: trump also speaking by phone with chris christie who is in washington who participated in meetings and the two having a face to face tuesday. christie remains a finalist with trump looking for a fighter, a role the new jersey governor has shown he can play. >> the democratic nominee for president put her own political

convenience ahead of the safety and the security of the american people. >> trump also taking a meeting with trusted adviser jeff sessions. the alabama senator flying from washington, d.c. to indiana this morning to help the billionaire through the decision process. not on trump's list of meetings today. retired lieutenant general michael flynn who is traveling to cleveland tonight for a speech thursday. flynn hasn't spoken with terrorism recently, but did talk with trump campaign manager paul manafort in recent days. trump left this hotel in indianapolis about two hours ago, and we are told he is en route to california for a fund-raising swing there. it is expected that he will make up his mind over the next 24 hours and then a formal announcement is being planned potentially for friday, but we are told, erin, that saturday's announcement is also on the table. >> someone who is having a lot of trouble deciding.

at some point, bite the bullet, donald trump. thank you very much, sunlan. former reagan white house political director jeffrey lord, basil smickal, and amanda carpenter. let me start with you, david. donald trump, look, it was supposed to be tomorrow and now it's friday and now it's saturday and today he met with mike pence and chris christie and should he be this torn this late in the game? >> well, it is a circus, isn't it, but i think he's going to do much for effect as anything else. he likes to dramatize things and he's outfoxed a lot of us and how successful he's been at that, but i think there are two things that are really striking that are different. one is having to audition before his children we've never had a vice president to my knowledge who has had to pass the children test before getting to a company

and the candidate to the white house. >> the other thing that i think is very striking is who is not on the list. >> there are no women on the list and no minorities on the list and none of the rising stars in the republican party and even as we focus on these three, that's not -- that's not the perfect picture for donald trump. these are not the perfect finalists for him. >> amanda, to the point that david made about the circus of this, the media performance, right? trump has played this very well and no one knows if he even does. intrigue, suspense, he's got it. the question is is he playing this perfectly or does he really not know who to choose? this is indecision and it's a sign of weakness? >> what do we know about donald trump? he plays very close attention to the media and the polls and he's been seeing who generates excitement. he has to go to this convention and show unity among the party. he's shown us a general and an

old consentive and newt gingrich and he's trying to see what will work and none of it is going to work because donald trump's brand is too big and too well-defined and no one will heal this ticket completely. people are saying mike pence isn't going to win over the never trumpers and he doesn't add a lot of credibility to the ticket. people like him, but they don't think he adds anything, neither does chris christie. go ahead and pick newt gingrich even though newt gingrich is damaged goods in some regards. so is donald trump. you both have the same kind of baggage and pick someone who can provide you some political insight and stand up when needed and spin it just as well as you can. >> you refer to newt gingrich as damaged goods. for those out there who are confused as to why she would say that, jeffrey lorde, here is what newt gingrich has said about donald trump during this employ campaign. here we go. >> there are points when your candidate can be so delusional

that you need to get them psychiatric help. i think that would be one of them. >> beating up ted cruz doesn't make america great, and i think it actually shrinks donald trump. >> are you comfortable with a potential president attacking a federal judge for his heritage? >> no. this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. >> trump's job is frankly to quit screwing up, get the election to three or four big issues and all of them down to a single concept. enough. >> how does donald trump pick newt gingrich? >> first of all, as we all know upon reflection, people who get on a ticket who have said things critical of the number one candidate are on tickets all of the time. hillary clinton and barack obama being wishy washy with secretary of state, and you go through american history and it's littered with people. two days before lbj was picked on this ticket --

>> this is donald trump and this is a guy that remembers every slight from kindergarten. >> i understand that. he wants to win. never underestimate his coveragetive nature here. he will pick the person who he thinks will help him do this and the rest of this will just vanish in the thin air here and we'll be on to the next controversy. >> again. what's the biggest threat for hillary clinton. you have newt gingrich and this is the guy that led the effort to impeach bill clinton over the monica lewinsky scandal. this is not someone they want on the ticket. >> aside from christie, he's more moderate and he's damaged in the sense that he hugged obama and conservatives didn't like it and he took a lot of flack for that. to me, vice presidential candidates are supposed to be complimentary and the two others, newt gingrich and mike pence are contradictory because they're socially very conservative, and i think they are insiders in a way that donald trump has run against republican and insider orthodox.

these two seem to fit that mold. i don't know if that grows his base at all. >> so you think christie fits better? >> i think christie fits better and he's from the northeast and i don't know if that works in the south and the west. >> the vp doesn't really do anything in terms of who votes for you, maybe it does affect who votes against you. what do you think, david? when you look at those choices, obviously there could be a surprise, but of those three, who is the best fit for donald trump? >> boy, that's really, really hard. >> i think amanda has the right point that trump's brand is so big and the truth is whoever is chosen is going to be a secondary figure and will be second banana and it will not be a co-partnership of the kind you saw when clinton and gore got on a bus way back in 1992 and paraded around the country very effectively. so i have a really, really hard time picking among these three. i thought pence was the safe choice, but i've increasingly come to believe that he's maybe

too safe for what trump needs. do i think he needs a fighter because this will be a very, very mean campaign. >> to the point you made, here's what mike pence said -- this is a guy, safe as he may be who did not even vote for donald trump. it's one thing to come out against him and he blatantly said he didn't vote for him help here he is. >> i'm not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz. i see ted cruz as a principled conservative who has dedicated his career to advocating the reagan agenda. >> it was a lukewarm endorsement and was it a problem for mike pence? >> no. i mean, the fact that mike pence is a very cautious politician. he's not a risk taker. that was a very weaken d'orsment because i believe pence is trying to play both sides of that and he wanted to get onboard with whoever would win the nomination. this is why i don't think he makes the cut. his tryout was not very good. he called trump reagan and he called cruz reagan and he said

hillary clinton would be an extremely careless choice. that is not an attack, that is so vanilla compared to the attacks that should be waged on hillary clinton in this environment and that's the best he could come up with? i did not think donald trump would be impressed with that. >> i confess i'm an out and out newt fan and i think thee would be tremendous, but amanda is absolutely right and you can't have someone on the ticket that would be too cautious and well maybe this or well, maybe that. you need someone that will go after the democrats and go at it and that would be newt. >> cautious is not one to describe newt gingrich or chris christie. >> we are awaiting for the president who is meeting with the attorney general and others, talking about black lives matter and race in america. a very crucial meeting. we will be getting his readout from that in just a moment. the president of the united states speaking. plus a new poll showing the race for the white house and several swing states coming out with new numbers and the violent death caught on tape and now we are

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tonight, a dead heat, new poll showing clinton and trump tied. in an nbc news/marist poll showing anyone can win ohio and iowa and that is truly a dead heat well within the statistical margin of error, and leading within three points of florida within the margin of error and this comes as the race is getting nastier. here's hillary clinton today. >> his campaign is as divisive as any we have seen in our lifetimes. it is built on stoking mistrust and pitting american against american. >> john king is our chief national correspondent host of

inside politics out front now. these crucial states across the country, poll by poll, how close is this race right now? >> incredibly close, erin. consider the timing. the conventions are about to begin. donald trump's first and then hillary clinton. 117 days from now is the presidential election and let's put up graphics. if you're hillary clinton you've seen battle front state polls in colorado, virginia and wisconsin and you're encouraged by those numbers and clinton leads in those states that leads aren't giant, but she leads. look at the battlegrounds that are very close. iowa, ohio, pennsylvania and florida. if donald trump can turn just a couple of those states he's at play here. a lot of people thought the conversation had been because of his numbers with latinos with african-americans and donald trump is not competitive and guess what? he is about to start his convention and he is more than competitive. >> as you pointed out, not a storyline and you keep hearing from the democrats, oh, no, no, no, no. they've got this one in the bag. you take these crucial states

and put it into the bigger picture though, overall, how close is it do you think right now? >> both campaigns operate this campaign by looking at the last campaign. barack obama beat mitt romney by a pretty convincing margin in the electoral college. it was 232 to 206 and if you put the map up and you take a look at the states, it's a blowout and the big three i just talked about that are very close, ohio, pennsylvania and florida, i'm not saying it would be easy for donald trump and if nothing else changed and donald trump could have donald trump, pennsylvania and florida, he would win with 273 electoral votes to 265. this is where the trump strategy starts. hold florida, try to get it to be republican and then look for pennsylvania and ohio and look at other rust belt states if they need another option. it's not easy. it's a huge lift, but a lot of people who think the electoral map favors the democrats and it leans secretary clinton's way and these poll numbers tell you we have a close race and trump has a close path.

>> jeff lorde and basil smychal. he turns one, he can win the whole thing. >> this race will be close. i don't believe the polls this early out and both get a bump after their respective conventions and after the first debate and after the second one you will see the polls more reflective of what's going on, but in addition to those state, let's talk about north carolina which i think they can win. president obama -- then candidate obama won it in 2008. >> right. >> that's one to look at. indiana also because you have evan bayh who has decided to run for the senate and mike pence's home state and evan bayh says he's running for the senate and it's a very republican state and only voted republican twice since 1940 and barack obama won it in 2008. and pennsylvania, i think, will be a democratic state, as well. >> let's start about a

quinnipiac poll. >> jeff, let me start with you. >> just looking at independence alone which by the way, when you think about the role of independence and how important these v.p. choices may be, are you playing to the base or the center which is the crucial question? donald trump ahead of hillary clinton, 43% to 30%. that's huge. a month ago she was ahead, 44 to 35. that's an incredible swing. why do you think it happened, jeff? >> i'll tell you exactly why. i think with all due respect to basil who will disagree with me immediately, i think she's a weak candidate. if she were -- if she were really a strong candidate donald trump with all of these kind of liabilities that john was just talking about a second ago would be nowhere close to her, and the very fact that you are reading these kinds of statistics and we talk about pennsylvania, for example, and i'm a pennsylvanian and it came up through the pennsylvanian political system and donald trump is the only candidate of either party to the

best of my knowledge running for anything in the primary in pennsylvania who won all 67 counties. that accounts for a lot of passionate folks, the intensity factor, if you will. >> what accounts, though, to you for that swinging poll in florida. the early poll could be wrong, but it's a dramatic swing. >> it's an early poll and it's a bit odd to me, but obviously, i disagree. i'll disagree with these viewpoints. number one, she got more votes than anyone else running and 3 million plus votes and there is enthusiasm for her and that's why i have questions about the so-called enthusiasm gap and number one, number two, and now that she has the sanders endorsement and i think you also add on the obama factor. you now have in my mind a very similar coalition that elected obama in 2008 working for her now in 2016, and that gives me -- gives democrats. >> the intensity for obama as opposed to hillary. >> and here is another issue,

basil, when you look at fact checkers. they say donald trump is the worse record you could possibly get in terms of accuracy of the statements on the campaign trail. none the less, in the three states of quinnipiac, clinton is getting crushed and a lot of this seems to have to do with the e-mail scandal and 56% responds in not to charge her in light of the fbi director. people have to accept you could be fired for doing what you did, but now you could be president of the united states. >> listen, we've been hearing about e-mails for over a year now and a lot of that is built into how people feel about her, but when people are polled about policy issues that she has promoted and talked about, each a couple of weeks ago her position on the aftermath of the terror attacks, when voters look at her they will certainly choose her over donald trump. she polls tremendously in those areas. wherever you believe the president of the united states should be converseant on policy

issues she out-polls everyone. >> there is a difference between a fact checker saying so and so, said something truthful and the director of the fbi standing there and saying some version of the same thing. that's a big difference, and i think that makes an impact. >> thanks very much to both. >> next, the death of philando castile live on facebook and we're learning about what happened before it started rolling and after. serve murders in phoenix and one of them only 12 years old. is there a serial killer stalking right now? nexium 24hfor their own#1 choice of docfrequent heartburn.s for complete protection all day and night make nexium 24hr your #1 choice.

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new details tonight about the moments before and after the graphic and disturbing video of philando castile's shooting death by police in falcon highs, minnesota. >> oh, my god, please don't tell me he's dead. [ bleep ]. please don't tell me my boyfriend just went like that. >> deep your hands where they are, please. >> yes, i will, sir. i'll keep my hands where they are. >> castile's girlfriend streamed this live on facebook. new details are emerging about the moments before and after that video.

>> a week after the shooting death of 32-year-old philando castile, new details are emerging about what happened before and after the horrific scene unfolded live on the internet. >> oh, my god, please don't tell me he's dead. >> it was 9:05 at night when two officers with the same police department pulled over an olds mob eel in falcon heights, minnesota. inside that car castile, his fiance, diamond reynolds and her 4-year-old daughter. >> the police officer stopped us for a busted taillight that was not busted! >> the attorney for officer geron moan ez, just days prior this crime alert was sent to area police informing them of that robbery. the robbery happened a mile from where castile was stopped which according to his attorney gave officerian ez, quote, a reasonable suspicion to take further investigative steps. what happened next is unclear,

but we now know castile had been pulled over by police at least 52 times since 2002 and obtained a conceal carry permit in 2015, a point diamond reynolds makes just seconds after castile is shot while she live streams the scene on facebook. >> he's licensed to carry and he was trying to get out his i.d. and his wallet out of his pocket and he let the officer know that he was -- he had a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet and the officer just shot him in his arm. >> reporter: but officer yanez says he warned him. >> i told him not to reach for it! >> reporter: castile did not follow instructions during the stop saying, quote, was there a gun produced by mr. castile, he would not comply with the commands of mr. yanez. as authorities investigate there are also new questions about what happened after diamond reynolds stopped recording. >> it's okay, i'm right here

with you. >> reporter: authorities then brought reynolds to the police station. >> they took me off the scene. i was not allowed to talk to anybody, and up until 5:00 this morning when they dropped me off on my doorstep. >> in an interview with cnn's rosa flores, roosevelt's police chief defends his responding officer's actions. >> she wasn't held all night. she was held for just about two hours. >> authorities say reynolds was dropped off at her home at 1:00 in the morning. >> and still, so many questions remain about what exactly happened in that one minute, just 60 seconds from the time authorities say they made that traffic stop to when reynolds started streaming live on facebook. some of that may be clear when we see that dash cam video which is now part of that criminal investigation which we're hearing will take months to complete. brynn, thank you very much. there is a lot of what someone alleges, but crucial new pieces of information. harry hawk is a retired nypd

detective and paul martin who has represented officers in shooting cases. thanks to both. >> harry, let me start with you. we have this video which we all have to admit is disturbing and upsetting. >> of course. >> and a death that should not have happened. the question, though, of course, is motive and whether there was racial bias. okay? the officer's defense is there was an armed robbery about a mile away from where this tragedy happened. he said he thought castile fit the description of the robber and that would have happened before the tape started rolling and before anything any of us have seen. is that enough to explain what happened? >> well, i'll explain the stop. basically when a police officer has reason to believe that there's a suspect in the vehicle that fits the description of an armed robbery suspect he does have reason to stop the vehicle. now, what happened was when that police officer approached that vehicle, and i'm telling through what's going through my head as a police officer when i stop a robbery suspect, going up to the vehicle and he states that he's

got a gun, and that he's got a permit for that gun. now, remember, he's just telling me that. i don't know if he's really got a permit to carry that weapon or not. now, as a police officer, if you tell me that you've got a permit to carry a weapon, i'm supposed to disarm you. you're not supposed to recover the weapon. the officer said that he asked him for his identification, then the officer had said in the video i told him not to go for the gun. i told him not to reach, all right? now if that police officer thinks at that time, all right -- >> you say give me your i.d., but you've got to reach then. >> but you don't know which one was first and which one was second. we don't know, okay? so if he says let me see your i.d. and he's going to reach and the police officer is not going to shoot him and once he tells the officer he's got a gun. keep your hans where i can see them and the officer's got to protect himself. >> we don't know what was said.

>> i didn't say. >> what we do know is this, even assuming that the officer stopped him because he thought he was a robbery suspect, what was the description? i can tell you what the description was? male plaqblack between the ages 25 and 35. hair, corn rows. >> you don't know, just like i don't know. >> what was the description? the only thing that we do know is this man was stopped how many times? 52 times. doesn't that sound somewhat unusual? here we are in a state -- >> excuse me, sir. here we are in a state where he's allowed to carry a weapon. he has a permit. you're assuming what the officer said is accurate. i may assume what the woman say was accurate that he was asked to reach for his wallet, he complied and when he complied he was shot. >> if he really is the armed robbery suspect or has malintent toward the police officer and let's just say if that's the case and your gun is concealed,

why would you say you had it? the minute you said you had it -- >> first of all, you never know what anybody will tell you out on the street. you have to protection yourself as a police officer. >> he said he has a gun. >> y i know. he said i told him not to reach for it and i told him not to reach for it, that's what the officer says and it's in the heat of the moment and after he just shot somebody. i don't think the officer's lying there. we're hearing it from his mouth. now she, her credibility is now shot, the fact that she said she stayed at the police station for -- >> she said six hours and the police say it was two hours. her credibility is shot. that goes to her credibility. >> she also says the reason why they were stopped on on sorry, paul, but the reason why they were stop side because there was a broken taillight. >> because that's what she was told. >> does this ruin her credibility? >> no, it doesn't hurt her credibility. >> that same reasoning goes for a woman who sits there and sees

her loved one get a bullet put in him and she sees her loved one dying in front of her, what was her basis to lie at that point? she's there videoing exactly what transpired and she says you told him to reach for it. >> she's so upset, harry, she doesn't even keep track of time. she's distraught. >> the problem is we don't know. she's so distraught, she was age to videotape the whole thing. >> we live in a facebook world. everybody is videotaping everything. >> she is so distraught, you know, she had the forethought to go and videotape the whole thing and make the comment while it was going on. i'm not saying what the police officer did right or what he did was wrong. we still need ton the packs in this case, and these are getting a little piece at a time here. >> paul, final question to you, the body cam video and say it has the whole beginning that he got what he asked for and how he asked for it is there any scenario that would make you change your mind and say it was

an understandable event. >> these are subjective tests and the officer has to believe that his life is in danger, but for him actually seeing this individual go to grab for something, he's going to have a problem. he's going to have a problem saying how could i believe that he -- my life was in danger when he went for his wallet? that's a problem. >> that i agree with. >> thanks to both. and obviously, that's going to be crucial and as brynn said it will be quite some time. tonight, our cnn event "black, white and blue: america 2016" and tonight at 10:00 and people shot to death in a phoenix neighborhood and police say they're looking for a serial killer and donald trump firing back after the supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg attacked him and he is calling for her to resign and questioning her mental health. , you can get a great deal on this 2016 passat. steve. yeah? clarence is on a roll. yeah. i wish they'd name an event after me.

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. tonight, donald trump tearing into supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg questioning the justice's mental capacity tweeting justice ginsburg of the u.s. supreme court has embarrassed all by making very dumb political statements about me. her mind is shot. resign.

exclamation point. ginsburg did start this. he's a faker and has no consistency about him and he says whatever comes into his head at the moment and he really has an ego. sally comb and david gergen is back with me and let me start with you, david, justice ginsburg hit first. she did hit first weighing in on a candidate on a personal level as a supreme court justice of the united states. appropriate? >> no. >> if you go back to the beginning of the republicier a he did take aside in politics and roughly so, but the tradition in modern jurisprudence that you don't and the judge stays on the sidelines. in fact, the federal code or the code of ethics for federal judges at the circuit court level at the federal level and the district court level specifically tells you that a judge may not either endorse or oppose a political candidate for

office and she did so not just once, but repeatedly and i admire justice ginsburg and she is one of the most outstanding women and jurists in this country and at the same time on this issue i think she made a mistake. >> as he points out, history is one thing, but this is not what you're supposed to do. >> you are also not supposed to, you know, sit for 119 days which is how long the republicans and the senate haven't even had a vote to fill the vacancy on the supreme court. the supreme court cannot do its job. justice ginsburg is understandably frustrated and the republicans won't even have a vote for 119 days. >> and meanwhile -- this is personal. >> and meanwhile, you have donald trump. >> who has said in the grand history of presidential candidates who have gone out and attacked and a federal judge saying he cannot do his job because of his ethnicity. i appreciate it to some extent,

but it feels to me that trump in particular, republicans and trump in particular have gone so beyond the pale that if we're going to start talking outrageous and inappropriate let's start there. >> david? >> with all due respect, i think the red herring she just introduced and that is whether trump went after the judge which she obviously did and we've gone over that and knocked him around numerous times for that. >> yeah. >> and whether they've been sitting on their hands in the republican congress which they certainly have been and wrongly so in my judgment and having said that those are red herrings it was the simple question, did she do the right thing or the wrong thing. what trump did was totally overplay his plan and she's gone bonkers. that's an extraordinarily insulting thing to say about the supreme court judge. >> and inappropriate for a presidential candidate.

play this out, though and let's just say you need a recount or say donald trump is president of the united states and there are cases which involve the administration that go before the supreme court, which there would be. she would have to recuse herself. she said she personally despises the man. >> when justice scalia got to vote in bush v. gore he did not recuse himself despite the fact that he had been friends with cheney since their service together in politics when sandra day o'connor did not recuse herself although in private conversations, and we had more private conversations in 2000, and now we do everything on the internet, in private conversations she made clear who she wanted to vote for. the history of american politics is littered with relationships between presidents and the supreme court justices, by the way, scalia didn't recuse himself after he'd gone on a

hunting trip with cheney is he recused himself with cheney and government businesses and i get it. i understand and people are right to be frustrated at the level of partisanship and that it is now infecting the supreme court, but again, that's nothing new and it was already happening and they won't even vote to fill the slot. >> does she have a case here or does she have to step down? >> no, i don't think she will have to step down and there are cases where she should recuse herself in the future. >> if we have another bush v. gore, god help us, she should consider recusal, but let me go to the more fundamental point and that is that we've seen an erosion of public trust and all sort of institutions now and it's one reason our societiy is not working as well and the supreme court was once held in enormous esteem by the american people and has descended into politics and become a political punching bag and people have less and less respect for its authority and on many issues, the court speaks with moral authority. if it loses that, we lose something very precious in our

society. >> thank you both, very much and we all can agree with that on one level. >> and the moral authority, let's start with it in the white house. i don't know. out front next, seven people should the and killed and police are searching for a serial killer in arizona. we've got that story and jeanne moos on trump's vp audition. the winner may be whoever nails this famous line. >> we will make america great again. we will make it better than ever before.

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breaking news. police say a serial sniper is on the loose tonight. at this hour the suspect or suspects being plamed for at least seven deaths in a series of shootings in arizona, only two other victims have been lucky enough to survive. brian todd is out front. >> 12-year-old malia ellis shot and killed along with her mother and a friend as they listened to music inside their car. their murders, the latest in a series of shootings in the phoenix area which police are tonight calling the work of a serial killer. malia's grandfather says the shooter was indiscriminate. >> didn't care if they were little babies in the car. they just wanted to shoot somebody. >> tonight phoenix police tell cnn they believe the same man has wounded six people since march. the suspect believed to be a white or hispanic man in his 20s and he may have an accomplice. >> we have no prior known contacs between the victims and

the suspects. police tell cnn they do know part of the killer's m.o. all of the shootings have been at night targeting people walking or in vehicles seemingly at random. police say the killer arrives in a vehicle, a sedan, gets out of the car and opens fire and quickly departs in the vehicle. >> he's hunting people that he knows that he can have access to, that they are vulnerable and that they are accessible. those are the two keys and that they have no idea that this individual is behind them or in front of him. so he's looking for the best targets. >> another key part of the pattern. the target area and most victims have been shot in the western part of phoenix a cluster of them in murrayvalley. >> that tells me the individual committing these crimes knows this area very well. you have two major thorough fares and get off on. >> two killings have been in those neighborhoods and in total they've occurred in over 50 square miles of the phoenix area. phoenix police tell us the same weapon was likely used in each

shooting. a semiautomatic handgun. as the man hunt intensifies tonight, experts say the killer could be watching the media coverage and may become more cautious or careless as a result. >> these individuals tend to be very arrogant and grandiose individuals because now they're holding west phoenix kind of hostage. people are very frightened and that for the offender is a rush, and that in and of itself can cause that person to take more risks and therefore, possibly make more mistakes. >> experts say law enforcement will use every resource possible to try to catch the killer or killers. they'll use surveillance footage, and automatic license plate readings which scan plates and feed that information into databases and they'll use tips from the public and there's a $30,000 reward leading to the killer's capture and the fbi and the u.s. marshals have joined the man hunt. >> brian, thanks very much and next jean moos with what she says is the secret for winning

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we want to keep the power on for our customers. we want to keep our community safe. this is our community, this is where we live. we need to make sure that we have a beautiful place for our children to live. together, we're building a better california. the race to be donald trump's vice presidential pick is played out a printis style. so who's hired? here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: since donald trump can't pick the guy in the mirror for vp he has to pick one of these three. so why not audition these three. let's start with how confident

they sound saying this. >> the next president of the united states donald trump! >> the next president of the united states donald trump! >> the next president of the united states of america, donald j. trump! >> reporter: pretty similar. jimmy fallon has already predicted how the donald will introduce his v.p. >> this next person will be a footnote in history, at best. >> reporter: and which of the potential footnotes got the warmest greeting from the donald? >> indiana governor mike pence got a handshake and a brief touch on the arm and a funny face accompanied by pointing, newt gingrich likewise got a handshake and a arm around the back and a pat on the shoulder, but chris christie -- got a handshake and a hug, advantage, christie. still, the acid test is the ability to deliver the donald's core message. >> we are going to make america great again. even the donald's delivery isn't

great when he's tethered to teleprompter. >> and we're going to make america great again. >> reporter: so how do the would-be vps do when they -- >> to borrow a phrase, make america great again. >> mike pence. >> and we can make america great again. >> reporter: newt gingrich. >> to make america great again, i'm going to be for donald trump. >> reporter: chris christie. >> and i am confident that he will make america great again. >> reporter: the donald has his work cut out for him, making his vp great at delivering his signature line. >> and we are going to make america so great again. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn. >> and we can make. >> america. >> great. >> again. >> greater than ever before. >> reporter: new york. >> somehow, jeanne just captured this whole thing better than anybody else yet has. before we go i want to welcome somebody very important and the newest member of our "out front" family, samuel hague all of five

days old and there's a reason why. he was born on friday at 10 pounds, 2 ounces and that's why he looks older than five days and joins his older brother william in keeping his mother and father sleep deprived. we all send our love and congratulations to them. thanks to all of you. we'll see you tomorrow. anderson starts now. and good evening. thanks for joining us. there's breaking news and it is big. donald trump will name his running mate on friday. we just got the word on that, and that's not all we're learning tonight. cnn's jim acosta has been working his sources. what more do you know about the timeframe of his decision? >> right, anderson, as you just said, trump campaign, he just arrived in cleveland after attending those meetings with the vice presidential contenders earlier in indiana and manafort told reporters that trump will make his announcement in new york city on friday. i've been told by a couple of sources ie