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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  July 14, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT

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with shooting and driving for over a mile through a crowd. 73 dead as of the latest that we understand right now and more than 100 injured in this terror attack in nice, france. the president of the united states coming out very firmly and calling it a terror attack. we're going to hand our breaking coverage on right now to anderson cooper. it is impossible to say good evening right now because plainly it is not a good evening, not in the southern french city of nice where the death toll has been climbing all night. the images that you will see tonight are alone, they are hard to stomach, and the driver plowing down in nice for anyone who could not get out of the way. [ screaming ] >> mom! [ screaming ]
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>> remember, these are people who just moments before were enjoying bastille day, the equivalent of the fourth of july, fireworks by the sea and shots fired reportedly by the driver of the truck who got back behind the wheel going block after block hitting as many people as he could. french media now putting the number killed as high as 73. so we've just gotten these images of the aftermath. they come from video that we turned into still images and tried to take the color out because otherwise they're simply too graphic to show you. again, we are only showing this very sparingly. what we will be doing throughout the next few hours is bring you everything we know and everything we are learning minute by minute. all we're hearing from authorities and intelligence sources and our team of experts. cnn's becky anderson is
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reporting developments from paris and jim sciutto is reporting out of washington. becky, first of all, we go to you. what's the latest? >> reporter: the latest, i'm afraid, is that that death toll continues to rise, anderson. we are being told that as many as 75 have now been killed in what is being described as an attack. hundreds or more than a hundred have been wounded. the assailant in a truck drove as far as two kilometers along the progrmenade des anglais. this is the main drag in what is the southern french city of nice. this is a tourist center. this was bastille night. the fireworks were ongoing. people reporting and they thought that this attack was just the noise of the fireworks and clearly, that wasn't the case. this truck, it appear,
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authorities say now was full of explosives and arms. 75 dead and more than 100 injured at this point, anderson. >> becky, let's just try to set the scene because i talked to a number of eyewitnesses and we'll be hearing from them throughout these next two hours and again, these are early reports and i think it's always important in this situation to caution that these are some of these are eyewitness reports and some of them could be contradictory and even reports early on from officials are contradictory. as best we know, is it clear how this person got through whatever barricades was set up because clearly this promenade had been blocked off in order to accommodate the thousands of people who were there to watch the fireworks. do we know how this car or truck got through? >> no, you're absolutely right. it clearly was cordoned off, let's put it that way. not necessarily, i think, and we haven't heard this confirmed by authorities, but not necessarily for security reasons, just for
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crowd control reasons as the champs elysees here in paris was some three or four hours ago for the fireworks and earlier on in the day for the bastille parade. it isn't clear at present, but what we do know according to authorities is that this truck drove at something like 20 to 25 kilometers an hour over a distance of someone -- which is two kilometers in french distance here and plowed as eyewitnesses described, plowed through the crowd and eyewitnesses reporting that the driver at one point got out of the truck, got back into the truck and was fired on by authorities. it does appear that he was shot and killed while he was in the truck. was there any more than one assailant? that isn't clear, but
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authorities at this point are saying there was one assailant shot and killed in the truck, but before at, as i report, had plowed through these crowds. >> and, jim, before i go to you -- before i go to you one last time this hour again, i want to show you, there are a numbers of videos that we're not showing you because frankly -- they're frankly too gruesome and graphic. the still images that we've taken the color out, you get a sense in one stretch of just how many fatalities there were, in some cases there are still bodies out in the street now covered with sheets, but we're hearing more and more from eyewitness reports and i know you've spoken to people who were there, who saw what happened. what's the latest you've heard? >> i did, anderson, i spoke with an american there who was part of this very international crowd there on the nice waterfront. he said he was 15 feet away as
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the truck plowed through. in his description he said it was mowing people over and accelerating, in fact, as it hit people, clearly intentional. we know now that the french anti-terror authorities are taking over the investigation of this and they're looking at this as a terror attack and whatever the motivation, whether islamist or not they're looking at it as an act of terrorism and mass murder and we know that that is also the leading theory now for u.s. authorities who were in close touch with their french counterparts as there have been, sadly, too many times just in the last year as you go back to "charlie hebdo" and the baspac attacks in november. and along the waterfront how the carnage was spread out and how they were able to drive through those crowds, mow people down before being challenged more than a mile and how along that mile you have the blinking
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lights of ambulances as they tend to the wounded and many of whom have been taken away and sadly, to the dead and that is what is unprecedented about this, anderson. we have seen attackers use cars as weapons before. in france, we've seen it in israel and canada. we know that groups such as isis has encouraged its followers to do that. what we have not seen is a successful mass casualty attack using a car as a weapon and we've seen people use mass weapons in mass casualty attacks and explosives and both together and not to this degree of carnage and that's what's really particularly alarming tonight. it is in effect, a new weapon in the arsenal of people who want to carry out this kind of mass murder. >> and becky, you alluded to this, do french officials believe there is only one individual responsible for this or do they believe there are others who were either on the scene or elsewhere? >> reporter: no, what we are
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hearing at this point is just one assailant. an assailant who was in that truck who appeared as jim rightly pointed out, plow through these crowds. relatively slowly, it has to be said, 20, 25 kilometers an hour which isn't fast along the promenade des anglais and then get out of the truck is what we are being told at some point, get back into the truck, at which point he was shot and killed by authorities. so as far as we understand at this point it was just one assailant. what we do know is that the french president and the prime minister are on their way to the interior ministry here for what they've described as a crisis meeting and as jim rightly points out and you will be well aware of, anderson, this has been a tumultuous time for france and a tumultuous 18
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months starting back in january 2015 with the "charlie hebdo" killings and the 120 people slain in those attacks in paris. we were just reflecting today on the unifying moment earlier on this week which was the euro 2016 football tournament that the french team -- >> yeah. >> -- had made it to the finals in and how that had been a moment in time and so short term given what's going on in this country and tonight such a tragic, tragic situation in the south of france. >> jim, has anyone or any group claimed responsibility for this yet? >> no. to be clear, you have french anti-terror investigators taking over and they've not definitively identified this as a terrorism attack and they certainly haven't definitively identified it as an islamist-driven terror attack, but they are investigating it. at a minimum, it's an act of
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mass murder and let's look at other parts here that fit that terror playbook. one big gathering, a holiday, bastille day and essentially the french fourth of july, a crowd that is likely to be very international. in fact, we know it is because i've spoken to people in the crowd who were american, who were turkish in addition to the many french and that fit the terrorist playbook. while using a car successfully or truck successfully in a mass casualty attack would be unprecedented, using cars or trucks as a weapon is not and we know that, for instance, isis has called on its members to do just that. al qaeda in the past had called on its followers to use cars as weapons because the fact is and we see it tonight they can be very deadly weapons. >> jim sciutto, becky anderson and we'll continue checking in with you throughout the next two hours. as i mentioned, eyewitnesses are coming forward before air time. i spoke by phone with an american named dominic molina who was there with her family.
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>> so dominique, if you can, tell me where were you and when did you realize something awful was happening? >> well, we were standing on the terrace of the apartment where we're staying and we're staying just west of negresco on the promenade des anglais, and the fireworks show had just ended for bastille day, and there were thousands of people on the beach and they had just started to disband and so people were flooding the streets just walking away from the show, and i heard a lot of loud noises and people were screaming and so to the west, a big moving truck was driving on the promenade just barreling over people and hitting -- running people over. >> you actually saw that? >> yes.
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>> how fast was it moving? >> i think about, like, 20 to 30 miles an hour. it was like, was there no way it was an accident. your mind is trying to make sense of what you're saying and the thought is did somebody get lost? are they drunk driving, but it took a few seconds just to register that this is intentional. >> i can't imagine what that's like standing there and you're with your teenager, with your husband. >> uh-huh. yeah. it was very -- it's just something you're not supposed to see at all, and i grabbed my son, and i just felt like shielding him and protecting him from seeing that because it was horrific that it all happened so fast. it was like in slow motion. >> so you said the truck was to the west. was that coming towards you?
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>> yes. what happened then? >> so the truck proceeded to run people over and the sounds were really horrific. you could hear banging sounds as the truck drove over people and things. people were carrying things in their arms and there are some benches there along the promenade and just to the east of our apartment there is a series of about three pergolas that cover parts of the promenade and as he approached the pergolas he veered left on to the street and there were people on the street there, as well, and it just went out of our view because there are palm trees there and as soon as the truck went out of view we heard a barrage of gun fire and it sounded like a shooting range, and i was trying to make sense
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out of that as well because i couldn't see what was happening. >> i wondered, is that fireworks? but it definitely was not fireworks and you heard screaming and then you see masses of people fleeing, like, running away and within a few moments of the gun fire everything went very quiet, very eerily quiet and then you started hearing, like, wailing and screaming and crying and people seeing the victims on the ground and family members finding their loved ones dead, and there are bodies everywhere. >> just strewn all down the promenade? >> yes. and i can see a block's length in front of my apartment, but when i look off in the distance
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because it's pitch black here so you have to imagine the fireworks show is going off and it's pitch black and people are watching in the dark and squealing with delight and that is over in seconds and people get up and then the streets are flooded. it's just awful, the scene before this happened, so it's still dark. now when i look off into the distance and i see where the emergency vehicle lights are, this guy started on the promenade at least like a mile to the west of us, and then when i look to the east it continues at least another mile in the east. so when i see directly in front of my apartment i count ten dead bodies just in this block and you can see now because they're covered with tarps. so you can see where the bodies are and it's just, like, people are strewn everywhere and there are things strewn everywhere. >> and the people are still
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there. the people who have died? >> yes. the bodies are still there. where i'm located, there's a triage that's been set up so the ambulances were taking away victims and then about ten, 15 minutes later they all returned and they had set up a triage here just right here on the sidewalk and they started unloading the victims here. i'm assuming the hospitals must be full. we're having a hard time getting information here so we really don't know the bigger story of what's going on. >> the information is definitely slowly coming out. the earliest -- the latest report we have is that the driver or some gunmen openedini vehicle plowed in and moving forward in the vehicle and it was finally obviously stopped by police. there's conflicting reports about how the driver was
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actually stopped, whether he got out and continued to shoot and was then shot or whether he was shot in the cab of the truck. not clear on that yet, but it seems like, dominique, early on, i mean, there can't have been enough emts and paramedics on the scene. i saw a video very early on which we're not showing because it is just so horrific, where there are, you know, people horribly -- the remains of people on the street and civilians, it seems like, trying to do the best they can to take care of those who are still aliv alive. >> yeah. i mean, that's the scary part with something this massive. the crime picture is a couple of miles long, easily. so if you imagine how much space there is to cover and how many victims there are, my first
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thoughts when this all happened i was looking around and i said where is everybody and where is the emergency personnel? we had been out earlier in the day and there were soldiers patrolling with weapons and there was a big military parade earlier in the day and my thought is where are those people? but there are so many -- there's just so many people that are victims in this. there's no way. >> how is your son doing? he's -- he's really shaken. i have to say, we all are, and it's just something that we should -- people should not see these types of things. you really shouldn't. i don't think our brains can process the reality of that, and i'm very concerned for him. >> dominique, i -- we're trying to piece together as best we can, as i said, the information
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is coming in in dribs and drabs and we really appreciate getting your perspective. i'm glad your family is safe and i wish you the best. thank you so much. >> i am, too. thank you. one of the things also dominique wanted me to point out that her thoughts and prayers as well as the thoughts and prayers of her family are with not only those who have lost their lives, their families and those who have been injured. we have just gotten new video of the truck itself before it became a deadly weapon. the driver ultimately killing people on the promenade for what must have seemed like an eternity for those on the promenade driving for more than a mile, killing at least 75 people and that was before, apparently, although it does seem like some people seem to be chasing after it and cnn national security analyst peter bergen and former senior official of the fbi and cia and julia kayyem, and cnn intelligence and security
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analyst bob baer and on the phone, cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank. >> phil, just initially, what's your -- what are your thoughts on this? >> i look at this and a couple of things i look at, look at the steady state of how the truck was moving down the avenue and the amount of weapons in the vehicle, we're not talking about someone that decided yesterday he was going to do this. they're going into what is not a suicide operation, but it is. he's going in to kill people and he will anticipate they're going to die. a lot of people are in an agitated state. it suggests to me a lot of forethought. the second thing f you contrast this to what we saw in bangladesh, in paris, brussels and turkey, you're talking about operations that were multiple people and they appear to be centrally trained and organized and suicide vests and this is as a professional, and you step y y and say, if someone wants to take trucks and weapons and i would guess he has very little if not centrally connected to
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isis. >> it could be just somebody getting a truck and deciding to mow people down as a group like isis has encouraged. >> that's right. in the past we would have looked at a group like al qaeda and said they want to go after the big target to send a message to fund raisers and possible recruits and we're still in the big game. what isis says is we're interested in three kinds of targets, one like turkey and we might train people who go into a major attack and two like bangladesh and we may inspire a group that's not directly connected to something and maybe orlando and maybe this. we want somebody to go run an operation. >> right. get a hammer, get a weapon and a vehicle. a different terror game than we would have faced. >> it happened on bastille day, a national holiday and people have been gathered on this promenade and god knows how many people were there watching fireworks and weapons and explosives in the vehicle, all
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clearly very deliberate. >> yeah. and i mean, if indeed this is a terrorist attack which is seems to be, this is probably going to be the most lethal terrorist attack by a lone wolf if this person is acting alone than we've seen in history. this is the most lethal terrorist attack that we've seen in the past by a lone wolf and you'll recall, anderson, was anders breivik a neo-nazi that killed 77 people and the death toll is at 75 and unfortunately, this is likely to rise and this has important implications of how we think about lone wolves because certainly, others have suffered from the idea that the lone wolf has a certain ceiling in terms of their lethality, but orlando changed that where 49 people were killed at the nightclub and san bernardino, people were killed in december and we're entering into a slightly new era if indeed this is a lone wolf terror attack and
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they're much more lethal than organized terror attack and think about the brussels attack and 31 people were killed and here we have a death toll that's more than double that already and this has important implications for the way we think about events and whether a lot of people were packed together and of course, terrorists will be looking at this event with great interest as a way to create mass casualty attacks in the future. >> and art, obviously, security officials will be looking at what sort of barricades were up, was it barricades to just divert traffic or it was to stop vehicles and anti-terror prosecutors in france have taken over the investigation. if you can walk us through what investigators are going to be looking for right now, i would imagine co-conspirators would be, aid in the identity of this person in order to find out is there a larger web here or network? >> exactly. they have to look at where the explosives come from. they mentioned grenades if there
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were grenades and military-type grenades and those should be relatively easy to track and they should look at this, anderson and this is very important. are we seeing a change in tactics because each time we have an attack, law enforcement, security agencies and intelligence agencies and the military learns from that attack and tries to counter it in the future, but the terrorists learn also and when you look at the attacks in belgium and the attacks in paris and those were very well coordinated and not only from the logistics and preparation side and when you have one person executing this type of major attack, the planning really comes down to the logistics and preparation and then just put them in the car or in the truck and let him do his thing. i mean, it really is a lot easier and is this a change in the terrorist tactics at this point if this was directed. >> paul, the other thing about this as we look at this video of the truck moving through and that was a very large vehicle, if there had been -- if that had
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been packed with explosives obviously there could have been a huge detonation and that would have required a certain level of skill. this doesn't really require -- it requires some sort of, you know, whatever the mental state is that allows you to do this horrific act. it doesn't require a technical know how here. >> that's exactly right, anderson, but this may have been a lone wolf attack. we obviously don't know yet, but there are some indications that there could perhaps be a network behind this because after all, in the back of that truck there were a substantial number of firearms, explosives and grenades and it would be very difficult, not impossible for just one individual to source all of those in europe and investigators will be furiously looking at whether there is a wider network with this individual and whether this
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individual has connections to a terrorist group like isis and whether this individual perhaps has traveled overseas. we understand that in this attack it wasn't just a question of driving this car, this truck into people, but also opening fire on people during this attack. the time line not quite clear at this point, but it would appear that that was in the early stages of the attack suggesting that this individual may have some skills in firing weapons. we don't know what yet what kind of weapon he was firing and if it was some kind of kalashnikov that we've seen isis fighters use in syria that can point investigators in a particular direction. so too early to tell as far as i'm concerned whether this is a lone wolf attack or whether this is a more orchestrated terrorist plot. >> the thing i don't understand is, a, again, and paul pointed out an important point, we don't exactly know the time line of the actions. whether the initial reports now
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according to french officials are shots were fired by this gunman or by a gunman and then the vehicle started. we don't know if those shots were fired from him outside the vehicle, from somebody else and then he got in the vehicle and i don't know exactly how it came to an end and as becky anderson was reporting, he stepped out of the vehicle and got back in or was killed inside of the vehicle and i don't think that's locked down yet. >> yeah. >> but if there were explosives, weapons, grenades in the back of the truck, why wouldn't those have been used by other -- if there were co pf conspirators, by other co-conspirators? why would one person go on what he must have known was a suicide mission with more weaponry in the back that others could have used if there were others? >> let me give you some simple rules, anderson, we'll violate these rules occasionally, number one, the difference between an individual operating and a group operating. in my experience as soon as you get an individual the likelihood
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of understanding the mental state declines. as soon as you get two or more they start weeding out people that have mental stability problems. so my first problem is not just terrorism, but what is the broader question about, where he was last night and what triggered him? >> you can't use a rational actor model. >> exactly right. you have to look at the emotional state. we don't know what triggered him, but when i looked at cases like this as someone approaches the date and time that they're going to operate and they're not only taking the step to kill other people. they're taking the step to understand that their life will end in 24 to 48 hours so believing they're stepping back to say let me wait a moment and determine how to maximize casualties by really recruiting somebody else or belling a weapon and that is a rational actor model to an individual would not be in a mental state that we can understand. >> juliette, we've seen where
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they maximize death toll and wounded, and maximize the time and the length of the attack itself to, frankly, maximize the global impact, to maximize media covera coverage. we've seen a number of attack where people are checking media coverage and whether they're trending on twitter and the like and even in orlando, the killer called into a television station. i mean, this -- does this have any hallmarks that link it to other attackers on is this unlike anything you've seen before? >> it's pretty unique, anderson, and i'm going to be pretty honest and this one is confusing and part of it is that the data is just coming in. i think, paul, there is a lot to what paul says. i find it hard to believe that someone would have fully been able to sort of arm that and those were the first reports that we were hearing and we have to be careful here and fully arm
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a truck like that. >> was it one grenade? >> was it one rifle in the back? >> that's exactly right, anderson, so if the first report was right that there was a lot going on in that truck and you would want the investigation to look at least a number of co conspirators and we know this in every single case that the first reports we're hearing and even eyewitness reports are often wrong and someone may sound like they know exactly what it was that was happening, it does show that, you know, the idea that you could just get into a truck and have this kind of lone wolf carnage in a place that is at least on semi-high alert and is a high-profile night in france during the high-profile time. this exposes the vulnerability for any of these mega events and that's, you know, if you want to
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look for good news, that's the challenge right now in this case. >> peter bergen, we should point out since you mentioned the death toll earlier and the death toll now according to officials has been raised to 77 and peter, what do you make of the fact that this is the third major what appears to have the sipes of a terror attack in france in the last year or so. >> there's been a wave of frank , and people inentired by isis and as the investigation moves forward we'll find out how this event fits into that pattern. interestingly, anderson, while there is a great deal of concern and other european countries and haven't seen these types of attacks in britain and seven plots linked to isis in the last couple of years have been averted in britain and other european country, but what
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you're really seeing is a francophone phenomenon and the fact that the french continue to suffer these attacks is an indication of -- i think the key statistic here, anderson is 10% of the french -- 10% of the -- sorry, 10% of the population in france is muslim. 70% of their population in prison is muslim. they have a very disadvantaged group of people and very marginalized and if you've seen the attacks in france whether the "charlie hebdo" attack or the bigger attack in november where 130 people were killed and almost without exception the perpetrators have gone through the french prison system and often have radicalized in the french prison system and it's something that we ought to be looking at as we look at this perpetrator. >> bob baer, another thing is where the weapon comes from and what weapons were used and we don't understand the extent of the weapon we this individual
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had and how easy is it to get grenades and to get explosives and to get, you know, semiautomatic or automatic weapons in france? >>. >> anderson, as an individual it's virtually impossible. you have to be plugged into an -- you can't buy guns or automatic weapons and rifles and grenades were. they were just never found. sometimes organized crime had them, but it was very, very rare and this is what makes me -- if indeed grenades were found in the back of this truck it suggests there was some sort of organizational connection where you're into a smuggling network or even as i've been saying bringing this stuff in from libya which has worried the french for a long time. all of the refugees being smuggled in it would be very easy to bring in military weaponry into france, italy and the rest of europe and that's what have the french concerned
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so much is this days on on their borders and the chaos in syria and iraq and it's just backlash that's hitting the europeans particularly hard and they have no idea where it's going to stop. >> again, i just want to caution, we don't know the extent of what other weaponry was found inside that semi. french officials have now raised the death toll to 77 and we've heard as well from the u.s. state department and it is warning americans in these to contact family members and loved ones to notify them that they are safe and also advising them to avoid the area, monitor local press and exercise caution. cnn's suzanne malveaux is at the white house. what did the president say? >> reporter: anderson, the president was notified of the attack just moments after it happened. his national security team is updating him minute by minute and hour by hour. i'll read part of the statement here from the president. on behalf of the american people i condemn in the strongest terms what appears to be a horrific terrorist attack in nice, france
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which killed and wounded dozens of innocent civilians and our thoughts and prayers are with the families and other loved ones of those killed and we wish a full recovery for the many wounded. the president has offered the assistance, any kind of assistance that they need at this time in terms of an investigation and other resources and talking about the important relationship the u.s. has with france and its resiliency as well as the shared democratic values it has. it should be noted, anderson and it was past april when we saw president obama and french president francois hollande here at the white house. they were talking about ways of combatting terror. they're not specifically and certainly the administration being cautious not saying this is isis, but certainly we have seen these two leaders previously really kind of dig down, dig in their heels in the fight against isis. it was just days after the paris attack and you might remember and recalled that these two leaders talked about the
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importance of going after isis in iraq and syria, that they were going to increase the air strikes. that they were going to bolster the intelligence sharing and also try to take some of the resources, the finances away from isis. officia officials, again, anderson, it is difficult to know who is at the bottom of the terrorist attack and they're committing their solidarity to france this evening. >> you were thinking something? >> yeah. looking at what the president is saying in cooperation with the french there are a couple of questions that will come up in the coming days. bashar al assad are saying russians aren't telling me to leave as he and the russians gain momentum in syria, as that society and that stateless society wre isis operates continues to be a state little society there is an interesting question. do we maintain the civil war there which allows isis to operate or do we talk to the
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french and others to say we can't stand this level of violence and we will cut some kind of deal with the russians. the second and final question, anderson, is equally difficult. europeans, belgians, french, brits are asking questions over time about how much information we share about citizens who have not committed a crime. you are a french citizen and an american citizen and if you're up on a website, if you've traveled to syria or turkey should we share information about our citizens that prevent them from travel before the citizen has done anything wrong? an interesting question and an important question that will come up again in the wake of these attacks. >> joining me by phone is the editor in chief of the french news magazine paris match. i am sorry it is under these circumstances. the fact that anti-terror investigators have taken over this investigation, what does that tell you at this point? >> it tells me that there's no doubt that everything bears the
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sign of isis or, you know, i hate the term lone wolf because it turns out that every time we use that term the guy has been connected in the past and from what we know it was one guy driving a truck through a crowd and we know in the past weeks an isis sympathizer was urging to use that type of weapon or to use that type of -- you know, anything they can and they are urging, they are doing so you know it's terror related, no doubt about it. >> is it clear, again, early hours and it is difficult to get an exact sense of exactly what happened, but this boulevard which is obviously the main drag in nice, the promenade facing the ocean was cordoned off. no one was supposed to be able
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to drive down this street. is it clear how this truck actually got through whatever barricades there were? >> yeah. you know, everything had been cleaned up. you're perfectly right to say there was no car and only pedestrians were walking by and were leaving the place where the fireworks were. we don't know how the truck managed to get through and it was the only vehicle crossing there and you know, it's -- it's something that will probably be invest gaited in the next hours and we'll know what has gone on and how that truck and particularly and that driver was able to go through, but to go back to what happened. now the number of casualties reached 77 and i was talking to
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a source in nice, and it could very well be at the end of the night the number will go above the one at the bataclan which means with one truck and one guy, you know, that they're able to create more casualties than the complex operation they led in paris. >> that's extraordinary. >> very scary for the future. they've been urging to do so, and they've been saying to some of their fans also not to counter the kohl fate and not to come to iraq and syria and stay in their place and act over there and this is what the scary part is especially given that isis on the ground in syria and iraq is on the defensive now and has aren't had any victories in the past and it's shrinking. so this is realry a critical moment, i believe, and what we're seeing in nice is, of course, a tragic repercussion of
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what's going on over there. >> one final question. there was so much talk in the wake of "charlie hebdo" and the bataclan about intelligence sharing between various agencies and france and belgium and other countries in the eu and elsewhere. has that improved as far as you know? >> yeah. as far as i know especially between france and belgium. you know, believe it or not before november 13th, unfortunately, things were not coordinated very well and now they're very well coordinated. i know from that part of the investigation that they share as much information as they can and, you know, especially given the fact that a number of the people that attacked paris were coming from brussels and there have been a lot of -- a number of people arrested given the coordination between the french
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police and the belgian police. with the intel abroad i believe from what the american intel and the french intel have been working very closely but that has been going on for quite a number of years now and, of course, we all hope that this will go better and better so we can catch these people before they act. >> i'm sorry. finally, have you heard any more reporting or do you have any more reporting on what was found in the vehicle? because there were initial reports of some sort of explosives or grenade or grenades and other weaponry. do you have any further details on that? >> yeah. i heard that one local politician said there were some weapons and then there was the rumor that grenades were found, as well and the driver might have been carrying a light weapon with him. as far as i know there was also a video where we can hear gunshots and it's hard knowing if those gunshots were the
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results of the police stopping the car or the truck, i mean, or that it happened before because one apparently said that the driver started firing before the truck and it's still very, very confusing and we have to be very careful with what is being reported until -- it's a horrific tragedy. >> we've certainly learned that lesson time and again, initial reports not only are contradictory, but turn out to be flat-out wrong and eyewitnesses see things from different vantage points. regis, i appreciate your time. joining us by phone is american witness paul delane. paul, where were you and what did you see and hear? >> well, we had just finished watching the fireworks show and decided to go closer to where the dj was playing all of the
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music and all of the festivities were taking place which is in the direction of the negresco and then we were talking about walking back home and in the direction of where the truck was and all of a sudden, just people, thousands of people, started running in one direction. well, my partner took my hand immediately and we started running with everybody and honestly in my head i had no idea what was going on and the music was so loud and i didn't really see a truck, but just people running and screaming and crying and people carrying their children, and it was just very frightening. i don't know if i should hide or continue run, you know, with everything that's been happening in the world i wasn't sure
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exactly what to do and obviously in that situation nobody knew what was going on. we all just knew that we had to run for our lives. well, that's pafk basically what happened, and it was my experience. >> at any point did you actually see the truck or was it just the situation that you were able to run from the area? >> yeah. literally, we were 200 meters away from where the truck had actually stopped, but with all of the people in the way, to tell you, honestly, i wasn't looking in that direction to see what happens happening in that way. i was -- you know, debating and wondering what i should do. should i run to the beach and find something to hide behind? >> yeah, of course. >> or keep run, you know? >> so we just decided to keep running and that's what we did. we ran all of the way home next to the train station and turned on the news.
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breaking news at least 77 people now dead in nice, france after a truck driver plows into a crowd after bastille day fireworks. thousands of people watched this unfold in front of them, including a witness we spoke to shortly before air time. if you can, explain to me when you first realized something terrible had happened. >> well, i was -- i watched the fireworks and i went in because i wanted to watch the paris concert which was more attractive to me than the loud
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music outside. then among the music there was kind of a crash, a metallic sound, and then i went to the balcony and watched, i saw people yelling and running. then i saw the bodies on the avenue, on the promenade. >> so your apartment, you are facing the promenade? you actually face the water? >> it's right in front of me. i can still see the police and everything, the truck. it happened right in front of where i am, unfortunately. >> so you heard the crashing, you heard metal sound. >> yes. >> when you went to the balcony, what did you see happening? >> it was already done. people were on the asphalt already, on the road already.
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and then as i stepped out of the balcony i saw people running and i saw people on the, well, on the road, and gunshots so i went in, i was afraid. i switched off the lights. there was heavy gun shots. >> how long did the gunfire last for? >> very short. very short. i mean, very short, not one or two or three shots, but many. because of coming into the house at 7:00, i saw the army, lots of -- i just saw three very big army guys with their machine gun and everything so they were patrolling. they were among the crowd. >> and how far from your apartment did the truck actually stop, do you know? >> the spot is -- the truck is about 50 meters away.
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i still see it. >> have they been able to attend to all the -- those who have been wounded and all those who have died? >> yes. yes. there were lots of people there. >> it seems like i saw video which we're not showing to our viewers because it's so graphic, but of many bodies laying in the streets and it looked like there were civilians attending to people, trying to help them as best they could, before ambulances actually arrived. >> yeah, but i cannot tell you how crowded it was. so there's no way you're going to run off and let those people, i mean, it could have been much more worse. this is one of the reasons i stayed in, because it was packed outside. >> just to be clear, are there still dead lying in the streets? >> they are taking them one by
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one, i assume. i don't want to go out there. it's very sad. >> the scene is terrible. >> it is terrible. yeah. it is terrible. >> i was in nice probably about three weeks ago on that very promenade. for those who haven't been there, can you just explain, this is the main boulevard in nice. it faces the ocean, that's -- if you're going to one place in nice, that's where people would stroll around. >> of course. of course. this is the main, main beautiful, beautiful road all the way to the airport and there's the beach underneath, it's an elevated road from the beach and our beaches, popular beaches all along. >> i'm sorry for all that's happening in your city. i appreciate you talking to us tonight. thank you. >> thank you.
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>> back with our panel. phil mudd, peter bergen, art roderick, bill baer, paul cruickshank. once they clearly now have this person, they have access to the vehicle, if they find a cell phone, something like that, that can be a huge step just as it was in the bataclan attack when they found the cell phone outside. >> there's a couple basic questions you got to deal with in the aftermath. we are watching tv. we are watching the episode from france live. if you're in the business you don't have time to grieve. the question is not what happened. question one, if for example you acquire a cell phone, who did he text today, did he text someone one minute before the attack, what's his call history, is there somebody else involved in this. >> you are saying the question is not what happened, because that's already done. >> that's correct. >> you are trying to prevent something else from happening? >> there's almost two parallel investigations. the law enforcement investigation, the scene investigation about what happened on the street and those are different teams. intelligence investigation, was
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he involved with someone thinking about what to do tomorrow. if he has a cell phone on him, we don't know that yet, who did he text and call today. the second is tougher. people will be looking at this in america and europe, people who are unaffiliated with him, who are isis sympathizers saying he's not a coward, he, from their perspective, is showing courage. do i have the same courage to get over the bar he had. you have to think about people who are sympathetic who look at this and say i got to do the same thing. >> copycats. >> that's right. furthermore, people who are saying it's shameful if i don't. he had the courage, why don't i. >> julia, you raised this before which is how do you prevent something like this? this is somebody getting in a vehicle and just mowing people down. we all know the reality of this. >> yeah. that's exactly right. i think the nervewracking part of this, i'm looking at the pictures now, i'm calling you
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from a phone but i have cnn on. what's striking me is how big this truck is. we are not talking about a car. this is, you know, beirut style, lebanon 1980 size truck and it appears to have gotten through, there's no barriers at this station. from a defensive perspective, if you can't stop the thing from happening because maybe this is a lone wolf, you are going to have to start to think about on these parades, mobile barriers, barriers you can put up and down as the street is cleared. quick barriers that you can put up to try to stop trucks. it's the kind of flexibility that unfortunately, our defensive actions aren't as quick as their offensive actions. but i'm still, we're in early moments. obviously we don't know all the specifics but just at least from the pictures, the size of the
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truck is at least good news from the investigation purposes. it suggests there might have been a lot of things in the back, we don't know, but also that's a big footprint. this is not a small car that you can just get from a rental agency. so i do think that with the investigation it will unfold others who may have been involved if there were others. >> much more ahead on this two-hour edition of "360." an attack in nice, france has killed at least 77 people. the death toll will possibly go higher. injured more than 100 others. the tractor trailer truck leaving a trail of carnage more than a mile long. ♪ ♪
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