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we'll start with the attack in france. we'll start on bastille day, an ordinary vehicle, used as a weapon of terror. and an attempted coup in turkey, what happened and what is going on on the ground there right now. we will bring you the latest. then donald trump and the republican national convention. it will be the pinnacle of an unprecedented republican primary. >> we have to bring our party together. >> but what does history tell us about what we can expect? will there be violent protests like 1968? will there be throw fights like 1952? i have a great panel of historians to talk about it all. but first here's my take.

is the fail eed coup in turkey good or bad thing? it's good that an elected government who was elected twice, was not driven out of office by a bunch of military wielding guns. jailing journalists, firing generals, backing courts and using hiss popularity to accumulate power. the coup has encouraged him to move forward in this direction. we have in turkey as in so much of the middle east, the choice of oppression on one side and legal democracy on the other side. he was once everyone's ally. the turkish government is insisting that the u.s. extradite him to turkey for he

can be tried for treason. what should washington do? now let's take a look at the gruesome barbaric attack in nice, mowing down dozens of men, women and children. how to detect such attacks in the future. in this case, the man had no prior record of affiliation in islamist groups like isis, he wasn't apparently religious. he had no record of attending a mosque or religious institution of any kind and was not a practicing muslim by those who knew him. nice had been alert on that particular day and the police were present and armed. so what would you do differently? turkey and nice present cases where it will require careful study and good analysis, the best policies will be wise, workable and well implemented. or we could try newt's idea.

former house speaker gingrich says that in the wake of the nice attacks, we should ask all muslims whether they believe in sharia, islamic law, and if they do, deport them. never mind that such a test violates the first amendment. never mind that punishing people for what they believe also violates the first amendment. never mind that there's no profession to strip american citizens of their citizenship. never mind that gingrich's plan is unworkable. let's say the american government were to send fbi agents door to door, round up all muslims and ask them whether they believe in sharia, i would guess that the isis strain would be among them, the ones carefully evading scrutiny and

plotting future attacks would answer no. then what would you do mr. gingrich? in fact gingrich's idea is not an actual policy proposal, but rather a way to push emotional buttons, people are outraged in the attack in nice and a string of other attacks and gingrich wants to feed and capitalize on that outbreak. this is demagoguery of the first order. this is a dangerous and complicated world out there. let's hope that over the next few days in cleveland at that republican national convention, we hear from some people who actually understand this complexity and can stop the pandering and bigotry and get serious. andl let's get started. so let's get right to two of

our big stories today, the coup attempt in turkey, and terror in front. we'll begin with turkey, a nature to ally, 75 million people strong, a bridge between europe and asia, and for many hours on friday night it was unclear to many inside and outside turkey just who was in charge as tanks patrolled the streets and parliament was bombed. now president erdogan is back in power. what to take from all of this? joining me now from istanbul, is on opinion writer for both the "new york times." and in d.c., steven cook, who is a senior fellow from middle east and african studies at the council on foreign relations. what does it look like to you right now in turkey? is there a sense that the coup is entirely done and we are now watching a kind of counter coup

of purge to all of those who might have participated? >> indeed, i mean the coup is a word, turkish democracy has many flaw flaws. it was either a very poor attempt. ultimately in just eight hours, it turned out that the clique in the military, not the whole military, but the clique failed. now life is normal, if you come to istanbul, traffic is like it is, and businesses are open. but the mood is very tense. the government began mass arrests between people who it thinks were tied with the coup or allied with them. they have the right to crack down on the allies whoever they

were. there's a threat that these things can turn into witch hunts as it happened to turkey in political history. we are now seeing now the pay back by the government against the people who did the coup, but it's a very, very sensitive process. it should be a sensitive process. >> steven, many people have written that this is going to be bad for turkish democracy, even though a coup was aleverted and he's going to be become more difficult to deal with. do you think that's likely and do you think it's likely particularly in the area of foreign policy, where for example on syria, he has been unpredictable and uncooperative until very recently? >> i think that's exactly the

things that american policymakers and observers of turkey should be worried about. the quality of the turkish democracy as he pointed out is very flawed. erdogan has actually overseen the reauthoritarianization if that's a word, of turkish politics. he is a terrific politician and by definition, he's paranoid, as a turkish islamist, he has more reason to be paranoid, he always believed another coup was around the corner. so it strikes me that this crackdown will continue for quite some time and he will be able to increase his grip on power, that should be worrying to turks, to turks who want to live in a democracy and to american officials who would like to see turkey return to that path of reform that it

pursued during the early 2000s. as far as foreign policy goes, you're quite right, turkey's been somewhat erratic, somewhat unhelpful on the subject of syria. over the course of the last several months, it has gotten better. the terrorist attacks over the past few years have focused turkish minds. let's hope the coup is going to mean a lot of attention to turkish domestic politics does not turn turkey away from working with its partners in syria and in iraq. >> can you explain to a global audience, why it is that erdogan has this -- he led a lot of jihadis into america, and his feeling was that anyone who wants to go and fight assad is good, but in more recent months

he's still been very conflicted about whether to support the anti-isis forces because turkey has it's own internal problem of kurdish separatism. but you think that the government has a clear policy toward groups like isis? >> of course, fareed, first of all, but let me say one thing, i'm among the people who called the erdogan narrative, speaking of conspiracies all the time. but yesterday it turned out there is some conspiracies, the saying goes, the fact that you're paranoid does not mean somebody's not after you. erdogan's suspicions were true. with syria, turkey was only obsessed about toppling assad from the beginning, for a long

time, they thought every jihadi who fights assad is a good thing and that's why it cost turkey. and the government was very blind about the threat coming from isis and al nusra groups. we are seeing a change in that lately. as belated as it is, turkey joined the coalition. that's actually why turkey began hitting isis. with regards to turkish foreign policy s we are in an era of improved foreign relations. that's fine, what should happen, though, is that erdogan should use this coup as a chance for reason sill la reason reconciliation as well. erdogan should reach out to -- turkey's secular media, secular

positi position, but against the coup we are with him. and actually they helped him work the coup. ander d and erdogan should see that. he should reach out to the social segments that he has demonized in the past three years, and if he's wise enough, he can do reform in the foreign policy and restore ration as well. at least we have to hope for that. >> next on gps, we will dig into just why the turkish government thinks the 75-year-old man is responsible for the coup. ♪ music

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president erdogan made a very direct demand of hiss american counterpart, president obama. he said i told you this before, either arrest fethullah gulen or send him back to turkey. gulen for his part told reporters he does not take erdogan's accusations seriously and that the coup may have been faked. joining me now is the american lawyer charged wi ed witd with extradite gulen.

i have to ask you, about 15 years ago, in 2001, i met president erdogan, who's now president, along with the leaders of his party. they were praising gulen to the skies, they regarded gulen as an ally, they talked got democratic he was. how he represented a moderate, new kind of islam. the accusations i have seen about him that have been put out by your team, the fact is that his school may have been involved in visa fraud, that there may be more of them, they may be promoting him. none of which remotely seems something that would suggest somebody was involved in a coup. >> i think you're right about the fraud, you're right, our papers make it very clear, he's been engaged in massive criminal conduct in the u.s. over $500 million he's managing in terms of 150 charter schools. but you've missed the attempted coup of 2013. you've mised thesed the trial i

when gulen basically helped stage a trial against the military which is now been shown to be a false trial, a political trial. >> there's no evidence that any independent authorities have found that links him to them. i know that president erdogan has made that claim. >> i would actually refer you to a website of a professor here in the united states, dany roddick who has been -- he has incontrovertible evidence linking gulen to it. so i disagree with your position. >> let me ask you about the extradition claim. i was at an event, i was chairing an event when president

erdogan spoke. i was there for a surprise to learn that the turkish government has never made a formal extradition request. so if this is all true, you know, it does appear to me as though this is being used as a kind of rhetorical talking point if there had never actually been a formal request made. secretary kerry just said on state of the union, they had never received a formal extradition request. why has it not happened? >> there are a number of reasons for it. and firstly, you need to be clear that the extradition matter is actually a government to government matter. our firm's been retained to deal with gulen's crimes inside the united states. which we have been actually fairly thorough in documenting. so in terms of extradition, that's a question for the foreign ministry, in terms of

making sure they got all the evidence. there's over 1,000 pages on the extradition. that's quite a question for the foreign affairs ministry and the justice ministry. >> we'll have to leave it there, we'll continue to follow it and perhaps have you back on. i should mention we have invited fethullah gulen to appear on gps for an interview. we hope he will accept in the coming weeks. next we will turn our attention to the terror attack in nice, where a truck was turned into a killing device.

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bring more weapons, that was the chilling text message the attacker in nice sent just before he began his murderous truck rampage along the shores of the mediterranean, striking right after a bastille day fireworks display ended. he killed more than 80 people before he was stopped, about a mile after he began. how can we protect ourselves from attacks like this.

from normandy, a member of the french senate and the vice chairwoman of that body's foreign affairs committee. madam, can you explain what are the lessons that france, that french authorities are drawing from what happened in nice? >> well, i think that the main point in that, we cannot predict everything. and what happened in nice was not predictable at all. and i think that's a very challenging time for the politicians. and we have to keep our head on our shoulders and try to weigh the investigation. and it's very, very difficult because the people now, they are very angry and very sad. and it's a very, very difficult time that we are crossing. >> peter, when jake tapper asked john kerry about isis, they got into an exchange where john kerry said, look, isis is on the

retreat, it is losing territory, it is losing finances, and jake tapper said yes, but it doesn't appear that way to the public because of these terrorist attacks, but these are lone wolf attacks, who's right here? how do we think about these issues? we do see it's sis on the retreat in the middle east, and we see these kind of sporadic attacks. >> we have seen both things happen, we have seen isis lose up to 50% of its territory in iraq, and 20%syria, but at the same time, isis attacks are increasing across the west. and these things are happening simultaneously and will continue to happen. >> when we think of france, we think of the french counter intelligence has always been very good and very tough, they have, you know, people in american intelligence community

always praise french counter intelligence, do you think anything more can be done when you look at something like this to make sure that it doesn't happen in the future? >> no, no. i think that of course crossing intelligence negligence, b intelligence, but you know, the murder from nice was not on the watch list, he was not known. it's kind of an ice pick radicalization, which is a new way, and i'm not sure it was so much connected by isis, except for the social network. and there are ten things that we have to do, i think we have to work a lot on the social media, that is really important because this is a nightmare, because this guy was just unstable, you know, and it was a madman and then he catch some of these propaganda and here we are. and so i think we have to

disconnect a of what happened with isis in syria, because we have a lot of people radicalized in france, perhaps 10,000, including 40% of converts. we have 40% of this 10,000 christian convert into muslim for the sake of radicalization and filighting with isil. so we have to think about all these issues. >> peter, why do you think this is happening in france? not to single it out, but there do seem to have been a series of attacks in france and it does seem more prone to have these radicalized loners, than say, germany, italy, one doesn't know for sure, but evidence of the last five years, suggests that france may have a special problem? >> and i would add belgium.

belgium has had the highest proportion of foreign fighters going to syria, france had the largest number of any western country going to syria and joining isis and other militant groups, and the fact that something like 60% of the french prison population is muslim, and yet only around 8% of the entire population is muslim, reflects the kind of marginalization and criminal nature of this problem. and if you look at all these attacks, fareed, one thing that invariably ties them together, including the nice attack, is that one thing that involve s them in petty time and they have spent some time in french prisons. >> how do you solve that problem of alienation or marginalization, not ever to say that it justifies any kind of terrorism. but is part of the solution to deal with this alienation? >> oh, absolutely, because you

know, we have a bridge to the cities, those people are not feeling themselves as french cities. and the problem we have is they're children of the -- we're not talking about the gangs of yesterday are not a problem. you cannot put all those people on the watch list. i mean, you have no previous link with terrorism before the day before yesterday. and that is a real problem. but for the other one, the people on the verge of radicalization, and also the people who are going to be back from syria and iraq, we are going to have a serious problem and we have to work on it. and it's also a question of discrimination, it's also a problem of international policy. how they felt and it's also problematic of the secularization in france. we are, let's say, military secularists, and that may create

the feeling for the islam that the french law is against islam and that's also a problem. >> peter, that's a very important, interesting point and i'm fascinated to hear madam goulle make it. the united states for example, a woman can wear whatever she wants, but in framplnce, certai muslim garb is not allowed. does that make this kind of alienization worse? >> this is an idea that's been around since the revolution, what the french call a sort of secularized state. there is no french dream, there's no british dream, there's certainly no eu dream. and there's no operators within these countries to encourage

scale scale imgrants that they're part of the nation. and that's particularly true across europe. and in the united states, the american dream has been radifiable amongst the muslim-american population. that are as well integrated as any other society. >> i hope we can have you on under les tragic circumstances next. we'll be back with the historic battle on the republican convention. ut is it the right the one for her? is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund. ok. sure. but are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab.

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repeat itself, but it does rhyme. joining me now from four historians. nell a foremost historian of conservatism in america and is covering the convention for "the new republic magazine." and joining us is a former media tycoon, also an accomplished historian and biographer, including the biographies of fdr and nixon. when you look at this convention, all of us are wondering what the hell is it going to look like? >> i'm in the dark as to what's going to happen. it's -- there's never been a candidate like donald trump before. so let's start with that. >> in what sense?

>> we have never had a realty tv show mogul run for president of the united states. but also he brings to the presidency, or brings to the campaign, he would bring a degree of racial and ethnic discord that very rarely gets this far in presidential politics. so it's different. >> when you look at this, you talk a lot about the '60s in your book. goldwater in 1964, there is some analogy. >> the analogy would be the party backing away from this candidate who is seen as radioactive. although the -- in 1964, nobody spoke on goldwater's behalf, except for richard nixon. but here we see republicans lighting up, i mean just really

like joining the bandwagon, he's the guy with the power and we're going to follow the power. so i think the discontinuity will be drawing a line like they did in 1964. >> conrad, do you as a conservative and a supporter of the republican establishment think you can imagine this all working well? >> yes, in fairness, fareed, i am also a very admiring, though not uncritically so biographer of franklin d. roosevelt, i'm not that conservative. i have often supported democrats. but i do clearly think take a slightly different view from the two men who preceded me in this talk. i would say that the republicans shouldn't necessarily be accused

of cravenness for attempting to support their apparent nominee. obviously i think if trump says completely outlandish things, replicating some of the ill considered reflections he's had up until now, there will be a lot of problems, but i don't think we should chastise that problem for not simply throwing their candidate out like a jay cloth and delivering a huge majority the other side. >> one of the other things that's in play here, is this issue of race and the diver general cities, and that goes back to the 1948 democratic con convention was riched apart. >> it was ripped apart in 1948. the democratic nominee president truman came out and ran on a platform for black civil rights and that really outraged the

southern senators and representatives who were at the convention. they walked out, they nominated their own candidate, governor strom thurman of south carolina. but what we're seeing playing out now is this kind of underlying racial animosity and a backlash against black empowerment, in '48, black civil rights and in our moment, our president who is african-american, i don't think we would have trump without president barack obama. >> conrad, where does conservatism go? i mean you had 17 candidates running for the republican nomination. the other ones were advocating tax cuts, entitlements, what

happens to conservativism after donald trump? >> i think we're going too far, despite his statements at times in assimilating himself to racists like governor wallace. he did say segregation, today, segregati segregation. i think we have to make a distinction between grievances however flam boy yanltly presented, and racism in disparaging anyone -- >> you don't have to shoot. >> mr. black, trump has provided the largest ethnic cleansing in the history of human kind. this isn't just a cherry on top, this is the whole sundae.

how can you defend that? >> i'm not defending it. i think his comments about expelling -- i did not, i said you make a distinction about segregating black and white americans and opposing the illegal entry of 12 million people into the country, that's what i said, i don't wish to be misrepresented. >> the question that i'm trying to get at it is, he's still not very conservative. >> they're right. >> so what happens -- >> he isn't very conservative. >> what happens to the paul ryan wing of the party who kind of touts lists as the -- the republican ideas were about tax cuts, entitlement reform, degree regulation. >> very good question, and i think this is one of the ironies of it. i don't understand why moveon.org and these far left groups are so hostile to donald trump.

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we are talking about the republican national convention with our panel. when you look at, there's been many contested conventions in various forms. this one actually, it's not going to be contested in that sense. trump is clearly the nominee. >> that's right. >> but do you expect that on the platte form, anything like that will happen of note? >> we already have the platform,

pretty much, and it seems to be pretty far right and the nominee seems to be pretty okay with it. so that is not going to be a very exciting discussion. so we'll have to wait for the democrats to have the big fight. >> it's the difference between right to far right, i think. >> do you agree that the end of the convention may be more orderly and is that because republicans are more hierarchy kl? >> they have been a more contended group than the democrats, and will rogers said famously, the democrats, his party were not an organized party. and they do tend to be more fractious. i just want to take issue on behalf of the great american public. the majority of americans, or

even a significant number of them are not racist. >> nobody says that. nobody says that. >> no, no, but -- >> if you want to talk about racism, you need to talk about institutional racism, not personal racism. >> all i want to do is defend the millions of people who are supporting trump or might vote for him from the charge of being cheaply motivated by a disparaging of the racial group. >> but since we have brought this up. i have to ask you, since it is in the news, the issue of weather the american criminal justice system is unfair and, you know, in many ways gives too much leeway and license to police and prosecutors is something you have both written eloquently about and have been

subjected to. so on that issue do you find yourself more sympathetic to those who say the criminal justice system is unfire? >> bernie sanders was the best of the candidates on that issue. and i am deeply disappointed that the republicans are so relaxed about it. i hate to say this, but i have seen it from all sides and the american criminal justice system, and i'm not particularly speaking of the police, i'm speaking of the prosecutors, so there are obviously some problems with the police. it is an evil, rotten system, and it is a cancer in this country, and it is going to morally destroy the country. you have six times as many incarcerated people than in other advanced countries such as canada. >> we have opened up a real conversation about these issues, when you have conrad black talking about these issues, you have bernie sanders talking about these issues.

>> there's a possibility for all sorts of conversations about this conversation. >> i hope that more people like him. but sure, the criminal justice system is one of the places where there is agreement in the congress. you can see it. >> do you think that the shooting of these policemen now has retarted discussion that we thought was going to move forward? in other words this one guy has certainly upended the conversation. >> i want to say two things, one is that to make -- to merge the assassin in dallas with black lives matter is just plain wrong. black lives matter doesn't say oh, kill the pigs, or that other people's lives don't matter. it talks about lives that do matter. we have this awful bloodshed of people who are angry, of men who

are angry and well armed and go out and shoot people. and this guy falls into that unsavory tradition. >> yeah, i mean i think if anything, this awful man was trying to subvert black lives matter, which in many respects, just crazy, but we talk about historical parallels and all of us are aghast and frightened about what's going on, but i studied in the late '60s and early '70s, there were lots and lots of militants shooting police. i mean there was a black liberation army that literally would train in camps to ambush police. and there were so many that they barely made the news. i'm just here to say we can all kind of breathe a little easier and say we have gotten through much worse as a country. >> and we will definitely get through much worse than the republican national convention which i think will be very

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