thanks for joining us. our breaking news coverage continues with ac 360 now. erin, thanks very much. good evening, everybody. thanks for joining us. the story, of course, tonight begins out of baton rouge. we're in cleveland, site of tomorrow's republican convention. but we do begin with the shooting of police officers in baton rouge. shots fired this morning in that city that are echoing here and across the country tonight.

[ gunfire ] >> the shots this morning took the lives of three law enforcement officers, three law enforcement officers are dead including baton rouge officer montrell jackson. family members speaking to the local paper saying that he was a ten-year veteran of the force and a new father. six days ago he posted an emotional appeal online. he said in part, these are trying times. please don't let hate infect your heart. this city must and will get better. i'm working in these streets, so any protesters, officers, friend, family or whoever, if you see me and need a hug or want to say a prayer, i got you. officer jackson was just 32 years old. his son mason is just 4 months old. two other officers lost their lives this morning. their names have yet to become public. obviously, we'll try to find out as much as we can about them when those snam names are

released. three others were wounded, one critically. authorities have suggested but have not flat out said that only one man was involved and was killed in the shoot-out itself, 29-year-old gavin long of kansas city. we're naming him because investigators have specifically said they want to know more about him and they want to hear from anybody who actually knows him. cnn's chris cuomo is in baton rouge tonight. he joins with us the latest. let's talk about what we now know about this incident. you're hearing about how this shoot-out unfolded. >> reporter: lrall right, anderson. this is a quickly developing situation. we do have information about what happened this morning. 9:40 local time is when this first started. this 911 call alerting officers to someone walking down this avenue where we are now but a mile from our current location with a long gun.

. so police officers responded. when they did, they were engaged immediately by the gunman. as we know the numbers quickly became profoundly deadly. you have three people who lost their lives, six others who were hit. in ten minutes you wound up having a second reinforcement of officers here and emt on the scene. and the shooter was taken out by the police here. the larger question that's looming is why. and this man presents a very complex picture that drew griffin and the investigative team is working on, as you know. there are multiple identities and certainly a background that is rich with conflict with this shooter. we do know that he was a marine. we know he went to infantry school. that would explain his, you know, success, to call it that, with the weapon. he knew how to use this long gun. there's also a lot online about him and his expressing in no mixed fashion an animosity towards the police and a belief in fighting back in what he saw as this perverse notion of

rebellion. was this call just an observation of the man or was it a setup, a design? if someone saw somebody on the street with a long gun and called it in, it could have precipitated all of this. online there are videos of this man suggesting his connection to these types of events believing he was called to be in dallas at the same time a z the officer shooting there. he's going to be a complex picture, but it takes you to the same place, which is this man came here with an intention to do violence and did just that and the police responded and took him out but not before there were tragic losses. >> early on, chris, the police had said that there may be other suspects out there, then at that press conference later in the afternoon they said the active shooter situation is over, it was just the gunman who was killed by police. but at this point are police talking about anybody else he may have actually been in contact with or connected to? is there any public information about that? >> it's the right question, anderson. our reporting is that they're all over this guy's life right

now. they're all around his address in missouri. they're trying to find out his connections. it won't be quick, though, because they'll come up with too much too soon. this man had so many different affiliations, either legitimate or desired with all types of anarchy groups and different surveillance people and different types of extreme and fringe causes. so it's going to be very rich very quickly and drew griffin is tracking that down. that's not an easy task. but some of the explanation of these early calls about multiple shooters does sound familiar in terms of the reporting we did in dallas. a little bit may have been echo effect. a little bit may be just eyewitness experience of figuring this out. there was a lot of fire very quickly with, on the case of the shooter, a long gun. as you know well, anderson, the noise that that makes and the reverberation of it can be enough to distract and make people wonder where gunfire is coming from and from how many. >> we're also learning -- and we talked a little bit at the top

of the broadcast -- a little bit about one of the police officers killed. >> say it again, anderson, please. i'm sorry. >> we're just starting to learn a little bit more about the officers themselves who were killed. >> you know, we know that there are three at this time. we know that there are people who are critically injured. you never want to get ahead of yourself on the numbers, as you know very well. we still don't know what's going to happen here. these are real injuries and real battles going none the local hospital. but one of the officers that's come out, a 32-year-old, just had a son of his own. there's a special.yans with this officer because he posted last week about alton sterling's death and how he felt such tension from it and such pain in his heart as an african-american and as a police officer. montrell jackson was his name. 32 years old. and this post, people are really seeing it as a source of someone who really put his finger on this situation. he talked about the pain of

being an officer and being second guessed in the community that he puts his life on the line to protect and also the confusion of being an african-american male who gets one type of heat in uniform and another type of heat out of uniform. and he expressed it very beautifully. and at the end he resolved to keep protecting this community, if people needed a hug, he said i'm on it, i will have your back. he was telling people not to let hate infect their hearts and then, here he is, the victim of hate himself. >> yeah, one of three killed in tlin of duty today. chris, thank you very much. local and state authorities really have been all over this case working to put together a picture of the man authorities have identified as the killer. as chris said, they're searching for who he may have associated with, where he traveled, anything to get a better sense of what may have motivated him to do that. tonight we're learning that this search is beginning to bear some information.

cnn senior investigative correspondent drew griffin joins us with that. at this point, what more do we know about this shooter? >> first of all, anderson, i think we should explain to your regular viewers that we are going to use his name and there's a reason for that. his name is gavin eugene long, 29, he served five years in the marines. left honorably in 2010. the reason we're using his name tonight is that police are looking for more information on this person in any kind of information that could be culled from across the country to those people who knew him. he was known online on two different websites as a man he called cosmo setapenra. he called himself a freedom fighter, spiritualist and he's followed many conspiracy groups dedicated to anti-government surveillance, anti-law enforcement monitoring, and he posted on a group called stop organized gang stalking.

on the videos that cnn has been viewing, which we do believe is him, he has talked openly of revolution, he's talked about fighting back against the bullies and in an ominous post that he claims to have filmed from dallas after the shooting of those dallas police officers he wrote, you've got to fight back. that's the only way a bully knows to quit. that's the picture that's being painted at least across his own social media of a person who obviously had some kind of beef with the police who came to baton rouge this morning and from what we can determine seems to have come here for one reason and that was to hunt police. anderson? >> just so sickening. drew griffin, we'll continue to follow those leads. i want to go to montrell jackson's uncle. fred, i'm so sorry for your loss, for your family's loss. please tell us about your nephew. what kind of guy was he?

>> anderson, you know, i've been in michigan for the last 23 years coaching college football. but i will go home two or three times a year. every time you go, you get an opportunity to see this young man. he's my youngest brother's son. he was going to be 34 years old this summer. just a dedicated individual. really believed in what he was doing, believed in helping people. that was his whole thing, he wanted to help other people. >> and he had a young baby. >> yes. hasn't been that long. i think three or four months old. every time i had an opportunity to talk to him, he was all about what he could do to help other people. he just wanted to do things. he just thought he could do something to help baton rouge be a better city in which to live. a tremendous young fellow. >> he'd written online in the wake of the alton sterling

shooting about some of the pressures he was facing. but being a police officer, is that something he always wanted to do? >> yes. that's what jose -- my brother's name's jose. he was telling me he always wanted to be someone where he could be protective and a self-motivated person who thought he could do something to help, you know, just other people be better. he's been like that all his life. just a dedicated young man. that's just the way he was. >> i can't imagine how his family is holding up now. i mean, where do you go from here? >> it's very, very tough. i just talked to my sister and my brother who still live there. and my brother, who is his father, was just saying that all of the time when he was around, it was all based on the fact that he could do something to

change, haddy could do something to make a change and that's probably why he wrote the letter that he wrote. it's so hard on them right now because it's so unexpected yet when your a father of a policeman, you have a tendency to understand a little bit about the type of job that it is and you know these things can happen. but you don't realize how bad it is until it hits home. it's very difficult right now for his entire family. >> yeah. well, again, please pass along our condolences, our thought, our prayers, fred jackson, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> late developments from baton rouge throughout the next two hours of this broadcast. donald trump and his new running mate pence and raising eyebrows tonight. we'll talk about that ahead and more of the details coming out of baton rouge. so you can take your business just about anywhere.

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cleveland with all that is happening in baton rouge. president obama spoke out calling for restraint. >> we don't need inflammatory rhetoric. we don't need careless accusation thrown around to score political points or to advance an agenda. we need to temper our words and open our hearts, all of us. >> moments later donald trump answered directly tweeting, and i quote, president obama just had a news conference but he doesn't have a clue. our country's a divided crime scene and will only get worse. joining us is trump campaign chairman paul manifort. on trump's response, is that the right tone? were you concerned about that? >> donald trump is concerned that leadership out of washington is nonexistent. it seems in terms of crisis the president will come out and say something but the next day thing go back to normal. what he was saying today is you can't just organize a speech

around a crisis. you've got the lead and the leadership is not there. >> do you know what donald trump would do differently if he's president today? >> it's not one thing. it's a whole process of things he'd do differently. one is not have a justice department that looks like it provides special justice for certain people. an fbi that's not pressured by the justice department. those things create a loss of confidence in the judicial system. and so lawlessness is a part of the result, not caused by -- >> i want to ask you the appointment or donald trump picking governor pence. dana bash reported as late as thursday night donald trump whether speaking out loud or had second thoughts was talking about the idea of is it too late to make a different pick. how do you respond to that? >> that's totally wrong. donald trump was directly affected by what happened in nice. the discussion thursday night was him telling me that he wanted to postpone the announcement of his vice

presidential candidate because he thought it was the wrong time to do it. he asked me to move it to friday to saturday which is what we did. governor pence was already in new york. he didn't come there to shop. >> you're saying point blank there was absolutely no hesitation on donald trump's part? >> i'm saying point blank. i'm the one he was talking to, and it was dealing with the details to change the press conference from friday morning to saturday morning because he was moved by the carnage. >> in terms of what we're going to see over the next couple of days, this is something you've worked on closely. is everything now set? what do you want by the end of this week the public to know about donald trump that perhaps they don't know or haven't focused on? >> i want them to know about donald trump the man, not donald trump the candidate for president. during the campaign the focus was on his candidacy and his vision for america and what he was going to do as far as trying to end the gridlock in washington. what you didn't see was who he is when he's not a candidate, which he's only been in his life for the last 11 months.

the successful businessman, the successful family man, the civic citizen who did many charitable things off camera. >> so you're saying the more private donald trump that you see in meetings and that others, his family see, but that is perhaps not what -- are you talking about a change of tone? because reince priebus was saying that he thinks there's a pivot coming for donald trump. this is something people have been talking about for a long time. donald trump said in a press conference, this is it, this is how i'm going to be. do you see a pivot coming? >> it's not a change, a pivot as you call it, but it's a showing of the rest of the person. that hasn't been done in this campaign. the donald trump that i see on a daily basis is more than just a donald trump sitting out there in campaign rallies. the person who has built a successful business that he has. the person who has promoted people based on merit, not based on anything else, that he breaks

the gender barrier in appointing women. >> how do you do that over the course of this? obviously all his kids are going to be speaking. i guess people involved in some of his charities are going to be speaking. how do you rule that out? >> you've talked a little bit about it. the difference between this convention and the previous conventions and unfortunately i've done a lot of them, is more than just politicians speaking from the podium. the prime time hour will be people who have interacted with his life more than the political leadership of the party. who will be presented at other times during the convention. and the focus on family where oftentimes other than the wife of the candidate, you don't see any glimpse into the personal life of the person being nominated for president. this convention is going to show donald trump from the viewpoint of his children, from the viewpoint of his employees, from the viewpoint of ordinary citizens whose lives have been affected by his generosity before he was looking for coverage and publicity.

as well as the new political leaders that he part of his campaign for the united states. >> thank you very much. let's bring in trump supporter and jeffrey lord an s.e. cupp and obama senior adviser van jones. congratulations, you got engaged. >> thank you. >> it was a very romantic twitter that you sent out, tweet. anyway. what do you want to see tonight? you heard paul manifort saying we'll see the donald trump that his kids know and business associates know. >> this is exact what i want to see. this is a man who built a successful business and successful family. aside from his business, this is what he's most proud of. kids who have sterling reputations who are business partners in his company. this is who this person is. it's something we didn't see when romney was the nominee, when mccain was the nominee. we'll see donald trump the man. that's exactly right. >> jeffrey lurie?

>> when i listen to paul, that's the donald trump i got to know before he ran for president. he's enormously impressive as a human being when you spend time with him. it will be good for america to see the rest of that. in addition to that, i think we need to move the republican party forward. i think he's doing that. i think we need to have some of these family conversations that we've had as a political party over the last six months or so. we have them. the american people, the base of the republican party has made their decision. it's time to move on. >> s.e., it's interesting for reince priebus to say there's a pivot coming, manifort saying not so much. >> that america doesn't know dt st preposterous. we've been in donald trump's board room on "the apprentice," we've met his family, we've seen decades of donald trump. the idea that paul was laying out that we've only seen donald the new candidate and only now will we learn his character, i

don't think the american people separates it that way. you can tell a lot about someone's character based on the way he's run his campaign. a lot of people have made up their mind about his character. >> isn't that what campaigns are sort of about. >> 100%. mitt romney didn't have to do a pivot because his whole campaign was his character. we got to know him. so i think this is a clever spin on trump's past bad behavior, but the american people are not stupid, and they don't believe that there are these two sort of -- these two different tracks that a candidate moves on. >> how did that romney thing work out? >> it didn't work out. but let's talk in november about how that trump thing worked out, too. >> do you really believe, geoffrey, that there's a hidden donald trump that the public doesn't know? >> i think there's a private donald trump. i think everybody has a -- your next door neighbor has a private personality that's not on display when they're in church or in the grocery store, sure, absolutely. i do believe that. >> van? >> well, i mean, i do think that

his success as a father is extraordinary. and i think most people admire that. unfortunately, we need a dad now. we need a father figure now. and he's showing up more as the drunk uncle tweeting this horrible stuff today while people are grieving. and i thought -- i thought that he had an opportunity when the president said, let's make sure that today of all days where we have dead police officers whose families are still in shock, let's try to moderate our tone. for him to come out, that wasn't dad in chief, that was your crazy uncle pouring more fuel on the fire. and i am concerned about what will happen this week in this town if we don't see more restraint and more concern and more consideration for the safety of law enforcement as well as ordinary citizens. we don't need a cycle of violence and that can be fueled by rhetoric from this convention. >> that's exactly what we need. what mike pence today and donald

trump said today is exactly right. we need someone to stand up and not rush to judgment but stand up and say, i'm here. it's time to end the violence and come together as a country because it is sickening that we wake up every morning to some form of violence. this president has taken the most divisive tone of any president rushing to judgment in ferguson, opening a civil rights case and by the way, hands up, don't shoot was the biggest lie of the year. >> if you're going to talk about that civil rights investigation it actually uncovered tremendous amounts of racism. hold on a question. that investigation actually uncovered racism. and i think it's important he did it. >> we got to take a break here. we'll talk about more breaking news. donald trump obviously donald trump and his chosen running mate mike pence sat down on "60 minutes." what trump said when he was asked about pence's vote in favor of the iraq war in the same vote that he slammed

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>> it's a long time. and they were also misled. >> but you hopped on this. >> i was against the war in iraq from the beginning. >> yeah, but you used that vote of hillary's that was the same as governor pence as the example of her bad judgment. >> many people have and frankly, i'm one of the few that was right on iraq. >> back with the panel joining the conversation, cnn senior political commentator david axelrod who served as a senior adviser in the administration and gloria borger. is it hypocritical for donald trump to say it's fine for mike pence to vote that way and go after hillary clinton? >> and to say it was a long time ago? in donald trump's mind he's at the top of the ticket and that's all that counts. it doesn't matter what mike pence was for or against because on the case of iraq they disagree on a whole of other issues trump on howard stern back in the day was asked if he

was for invid vaiding iraq, yeah, i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> later on he -- >> of course. but it's just one of a lot of issues. and donald trump's approach to this, and you can see it from this interview and introduction of pence on the national stage is that this is about what donald trump believes. it is not about what mike pence believes. >> does it weaken trump's argument against hillary clinton that she has no judgment because of the eerk war vote. >> when he talks about hillary clinton and her record, it is not just one vote, not just the vote in favor of the iraq war, it's the leading the charge into libya to topple a dictator -- >> donald trump was also in favor of libya as well. >> i think syria is the one where there was some issue. >> no, libya. he later said it was a surgical strike. >> he was sore a surgical takeout which is very different than overtaking an entire

country. there's nuances there that are very important. not only that, if hillary clinton sat in an administration that the chief architect of obama's foreign policy. he never spoke out against that administration. she endorsed it as she ran for president. she oversaw the destruction of the middle east. it's on fire, every single country. isis is 40,000 strong and we're seeing terrorist attacks every day. she was the chief architect. >> let's listen to that. >> mr. trump you have called for a temporary ban on muslims entering the united states? >> i do. in indiana we suspended the syrian refugee program in the wake of a terrorist attack. we have no prior priority than the safety and security of the people in this country and donald trump is right to articulate that view. >> in december you tweeted, calls to ban muslims from entering the u.s. are offensive and unconstitutional.

>> you call it territories. we're going to do territories. we're not going to let people come in from syria who nobody knows who they are. hillary clinton wants 5% more people than obama to come in. call it whatever you want. we'll call it territories. >> mike pence didn't really answer how he came to change his position on that. but it is interesting. >> yeah, it is. the whole interview, it was every bit as comfortable as the rollout yesterday of pence's nomination as the vp. this is a really, really -- and trump said in his interview said i'm an outsider. he's my establishment guy. he's my offering to the establishment to reassure them. then he spoke about 80% of the time. when pence was called on to speak it was to explain how he reconciled his positions that were very much unlike trump's on trade, for example.

you can almost see the bubble box over his head saying, you know, governor of indiana really wasn't that bad of a job. >> trump has came out and said this was an arranged marriage to keep the establishment happy. it's not about love. they disagree on a whole lot of issues and let's just get on with it. >> if your trump's campaign manager, i would never have these two do interviews together. >> uncomfortable. >> so awkward to have them talk about one another in ways that they are diametrically opposite in temperament, in tone, in experience and politics. >> when you listen to the interview, it was as if pence was speaking one language and trump was speaking another. >> they speak two different languages. >> as the rating guy here -- >> you'll say that george bush talked about voodoo economics. >> anderson, thank you. >> i almost went to you saying i know what jeff lawrie is going

to say. >> they were said in the day about ronald reagan and george h.w. bush. reagan's major economic policy was voodoo economic. george, will you support the platform? he said, i will. he did. that's the way it goes. >> the difference is that ronald reagan didn't try to marginalize his vice president from the beginning. there was no scene like we saw yesterday, nor was there an interview like we saw here where trump spoke 80% of the time sort of back handedly criticized his running mate. >> look, they're different people. but all of these folks are different people. i mean, i remember the criticism of joe biden and barack obama. >> right. >> that one was the garrulous uncle joe and boy, he sure seemed is out of place next to no drama obama. >> go back to their "60 minutes" interview, you'll find a higher level of comfort than we saw today. >> we'll go back to baton rouge. there's a lot more to follow up. we'll talk the a friend of one

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about him and are asking the public for help. a heartbreaking day for the family and friends of the officers and other officer around the united states. joining me is the former baton rouge police chief, close ties to the police community, knows some of the officers who were attacked. kelly, i'm sorry you're here under these circumstances. we heard from the uncle of montrell jackson earlier, one of the fallen police officers. you also knew him. he said he was a cop's cop. tell me what he was like. >> well, i'll tell you i think the facebook quote that has come out since his untimely passing says a lot. he's saying, hey, if anybody, protesters, cops, anybody passing by needs a hug and a prayer, come talk to me. i think that said it. i've seen him interact with the community a lot. every time he's just a cop's cop. strong guy, firm but fair, loving, family man and the scene at the hospital today with his wife and young child was just --

it's something that i wish the nation could see. it's very tragic when you see the people that love him. he was a love man. >> you were in the emergency room. you were there at the hospital with family members of these officers. i mean, i can't imagine what that is like. >> yeah, and it's hard to vibe. i don't have the words in my vocabulary. i've had tragedy in my family. i had a close family member murdered in this city. and that phone call that just makes the hairs climb up your back is unspeakable. it was horrible. but at the same time i think our city is bent. i just don't think it's broken. i think we'll come out of this. >> as i mentioned your dad is the former baton rouge police chief.

>> you know, i think we all knew something was coming. we didn't know what it was and when it would be. but my father took care of me. i watched him put that uniform on. he was a motorcycle cop for a long time before going into training and becoming chief. i remember sitting at home waiting to hear that motorcycle pull up to the house before i go to sleep. you know, it was a dangerous time in the '90s. we're seeing that kind of come back now. i want the community to understand there's pain on both sides of this struggle. i think today emotions switch sides of the line. our city has never been this divided, but when you look at the blood in the street that was left today by two or three officers, you know, it's sad. and the blood was red. and when you look at the video that the nation saw the cell phone footage, the blood was there, it was red there, too. when you see us arguing about the color black, the color white, the color blue, it just really end up. dead is dead, death is death,

pain is pain, families are suffering. we've got to find a way to start communicating even if it's tough conversations. we might not like what everybody is saying, but we've got to listen. >> again, i appreciate you talking to us and our condolences to you and everybody in the law enforcement community there. joining us now law enforcement analyst harry houck, harry is former nypd detective, cedric is president of author of the new guardians. art is director of the marshals service. and joining us the sheriff of the new county now in arizona. police are saying that they believe the shooter was seen earlier in a vehicle very close to waiting in a car in your police headquarters and the investigators believe the shooter lured the officers

effecting making this an ambush. when you hear those details, what does that tell you? >> there would be only one reason he would travel from kansas city to baton rouge and basically sit there and surveil the police department. i think we're going to find as we move along through this intersection some mentally unstable paranoid individual. we've heard some reports about some of the websites that he's been on, but law enforcement 911 ambushes are unusual, but they're not rare. we've heard over the decades that this has happened quite a bit. it's one way for a bad guy to get law enforcement to respond and he can take them out. >> cedric, we're learning the shooter, as art mentioned, followed a number of sort of conspiracy groups devoted to government surveillance and monitoring. there's all these people that are generally kind of psychotic that believe they're being followed by government agencies or by law enforcement. what does all that tell you? >> what it suggests to me when i

put on my psychologist's hat, anderson, is he very well may -- and i use the word carefully -- may have had some mental health issues going on. sounds a little psychotic. i looked at the information that was forwarded to me, and as i read through his documents, they were just so scattered, so all over the place, so misplaced and misguided. so he really could have had some emotional or psychological things going on. i would tend to think that would be my initial theory about him. >> harry, i mean, if you were part of this investigation at this stage of the investigation, i mean, they now obviously have his identity. we know officials in baton rouge have the cell phone of the shooter. i assume finding out if there were any other accomplices or people involved, it would be priority number one. >> definitely. although police are saying that they believe it's only one shooter. but they still got to be able to find ow whether it's true or not. what happens is that the

ballistics are going to be able to tell us whether or not there's more than one shooter. what happens here is i'd have detectives at the hospital obtaining the bullets that are taken out of the police officers that were shot. we'll look at all the bullets, we'll look at the gun that was recovered with the one shooter who was killed. ballistics don't match that gun, then we've got a second shooter. and then we have to start looking for a second shooter. now, if there's a second shooter or a third shooter, it's pretty easy to be able to track down these second or the third because -- i've done this many a times. we've got one perp, we're going to get the other two. if that turns out to be that way, we'll find out who they were and pretty quickly. >> sheriff, do you think this has a ripple effect from police departments around the country, changing how officers respond to even routine calls because suddenly if there's the concern when a 911 call comes in that it's potential ambush or trap for a police officer, i can't

imagine that that doesn't somehow change things sort of tactics or procedures. >> absolutely it does, anderson. and this is the first to say our hearts across america go out to baton rouge, those officers or families and for dallas. we're seeing this, this is different than the normal threats that we face. our deputies, our officers arriving on the scene when we're called to emergencies or there could be a robbery or somebody with a gun and officers get shot or get killed or injured, yet these are setups. these are people who are calling law enforcement or atten event where law enforcement will be present in order to kill law enforcement. this is very different scenario than what we've seen three and five different officers killed in a period of time. and so this incident there's a lot of different components to this than in dallas. so that needs to be made clear. all of this information isn't

known at this time but we're finding out more information. so for us in law enforcement, certainly we have to be alert. we're trained that way from day one. however, this is a new era that we're going in. so we're going from community policing now to people criticizing us for being paramilitary now where we have these threats with long guns and i'm a cop with a handgun on my >> we want to continue this discussion. we also just got now details on the killer and his travels. we're going to bring that to you when we come back. we'll be right back. the heirloom tomato.

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in the last couple of minutes, our justice correspondent pamela brown has learned more about the gunman, including how and when he made the trip from kansas city, missouri, to baton rouge. >> this gunman was not only in baton rouge but in kansas city and drove to bat op rouge and apparently was in dallas on july 10th. and there's a youtube video showing him in dallas on july 10th. he drove to baton rouge after the shootings there of the police officers, and he was with other people during his stay there. what the fbi is trying to nail down is who are thyseese people? friend he's was going to stay with or friends actively or knowingly involved in this plot? no determination yet but he didn't just go there alone and

not know anyone and then be a part of this attack. yeah, so also just this timeline that he drove from kansas city to baton rouge, rented a car at some point and did this. and the belief at this early stage and this is preliminary, the belief is that he was armed, not to commit a crime, rob a bank but to attack police essentially. that they wanted to lure in -- he wanted to lure in police officers. what's unclear is whether he made that 911 call or knew whether walking around in a mask in black would lure police officers in. >> one witness saw him sitting out in a car outside the police headquarters? >> the very early information that came out was at some point he was in his car near police headquarters but where the shooting happened was also near police headquarters. it's unclear whether he was at the place where the shooting occurred. >> we're also joined back with our panel. you actually have been hearing from some law enforcement, some

agencies around the country talking about change in tactics. >> yeah. some law enforcement friends have actually sent me a memo specifically from the chief of police telling them any call for service which is a 911 call, that there would be at least a minimum two of officers responding. >> i want to make clear this is not necessarily in baton rouge. these are just friends. >> this is around the country. a minimum of two law enforcement officers responding to every call for service. that could mean three or four. >> in some places they usually just have one officer responding. >> so what does that mean the ripple effect in terms of police services? >> it's a staffing issue. now you're doubling up all the cruisers. you know, time off is going to be limited. overtime that you have to pay. so it really becomes a resource issue once you start doubling up these officers in these vehicles. >> sheriff, do most officers have long rifles with them? do they have, or is it just their side arm that they have

with them? and also just in terms of their vests, i know a lot of officers, it's a level 3a which is really just for pistol fire, not for rifle fire, knives or sharp objects. they don't have more tactical gear. >> it depends what part of the country. certainly here in arizona we issue an ar-15 to every one of our deputies for some different reasons, but certainly to face the threats that's law enforcement increasingly are meeting whether with violent criminals or incidents like this. we have to look at not only the training and outfitting our deputies, our officers with this weaponry but also protective gear. not just a ballistic vest that with a long gun, those rounds because they are high poured and the velocity will pierce through a ballistic vest like a hot knife through butter. so when you have -- when you're fighting that kind of a tactic like when i served in the

military, we had thicker, higher grade kevlar, even with ceramic plates in certain areas on the front and the back. now that's military. and now we're starting to see these type of tactics. training is going to be a big component. active shooter scenario training as well as officer down, rescue training, and these ambushes. and -- >> the ceramic vests are the ones we use now out in the field in war zones. it's certainly something which is the higher level of protection for police officers should have. a lot more to talk about in the next hour of "360." we'll check in again with chris cuomo on the scene. also drew griffin in baton rouge. they've been working their sources and have more on today's tragedy. that and more when we continue. a model needs vibrant hair color to light up the runway.

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good evening. we're in cleveland tonight. our hearts are in baton rouge where three law enforcement officers lost their lives this morning in a shootout apparently with a lone gunman. just six minutes after it began it was over. three officers were dead, including baton rouge police officer montrell jackson. just six days ago, officer jackson posted an emotional appeal online. it read in part, these are

trying times. please don't let hate infect your heart. this city must and will get better. i'm working in these streets so any protesters, officers, friends, family or whoever, if you see me and need a hug or want to say a prayer, i got you. officer jackson was just 32 years old. his son mason is just 4 months old. two other officers lost their lives this morning. three others were wounded. one critically fighting for his life we were told earlier today. the man identified as the killer died in the shootout. 29 years old. gavin long of kansas city, missouri. we're naming him, which we rarely do, because investigators want to know more about him and are appealing to the public for information. pamela brown just moments ago learned he was in dallas on july 10th, days after the shootings and posted a video on youtube from there. our cnn's drew griffin joins us momentarily for more on his potential beliefs and potentially state of mind.

first chris cuomo with the latest on what he did this morning. chris? >> anderson, thank you. a lot of this information still coming in, certainly about the shooter's background. a lot of complexity and layers of hate coming out there. drew griffin has been all over that with the investigative unit today. the story begins with the lives lost. you had montrell jackson, mathsue gerald and brad garafolo. montrell jackson was 32. just had a son. matthew gerald only 41. ga garafolo, 45. three other officers were also in difference levels of injury right now. two of them are listed as critical. one of them surgery and three in critical and one of the officers has nonlife threatening injuries. we'll keep monitoring their situation. in terms of why this hand, there's a lot of motive that leads us back to hate. we have members of the community here right now talking about what they believe were abuses by

policing. all the same questions circle around every time we have violence against police or violence against the citizenry. we know that all of this started with a 911 call. they believe it was directing police toward a man with a long gun on this boulevard about a mile from this site. and from there, when they encountered this shooter, he opened fire, hitting six of them. reinforcements came in. within ten minutes this started and ended. >> it's amazing just how quickly this all took place. to have three officers killed in the course of, say, six minutes or so and three others wounded. chr chris cuomo, thank you. authorities have been trying to trace whatever information they can find. trace contacts, talk to akwantsanceakwants anceacquaintances. drew griffin has more on that

and joins us from baton rouge as well. >> first of all, we should explain the man you're hearing in the background -- this is an area many in baton rouge have been protesting the killing of alton sterling. marches have been going on up and down this street for days since the shooting. as for the shooter this morning, we now know he was a u.s. marine, 29 years old. his birthday was today. you can hear the person in the background again. but we also know that he was online posting some radical sounding viewpoints. he belonged to several groups which followed conspiracy theories about police following members of the community and we were also talking about a couple of posts that he would have on his website under the name of cosmo seta penra. he called himself a freedom strategist. and many of his posts involved

following these attacks against police, what they thought were attacks against police and police brutality on the black community. >> i understand he also posted on twitter. >> as i said, today is his birthday. at midnight he turned 29 years old. and at 12:12 a.m. he posted this tweet. just because you wake up every morning doesn't mean that you're living. and just because you shed your physical blood, body, doesn't mean that you're dead. that was posted at 12:12 a.m. this morning. we also know that he rented a car to get here. rented a car in kansas city. drove it here to baton rouge. because of the postings he made in dallas, we believe he made a detour. went to dallas before going to baton rouge. anderson? >> well, he shot to death earlier today, drew.

thanks very much. back with our law enforcement panel. the police in baton rouge are saying there really only was this one gunman, though early on there were reports about potentially other people. they said early on today around 4:00, they said the active shooter situation is over. it's done. but in terms of the investigation, as pamela brown was reporting, he stayed at some people's houses in baton rouge. clearly they want to see any network he was linked to. >> they're going to trace -- they're going to really open up his life over the past month or so at least. we do know about some of his past history. up until this point in time, when we were in dallas, we were talking about law enforcement's concerns about a copycat. >> right. >> and here we have him in dallas shortly after the shootings there. and was he listening to -- >> he had apparently tweeted or said some unfavorable things about the shooter in dallas. >> now we have him coming here

to another hotspot here in the country, besides minneapolis and dallas, he comes to baton rouge and commits this heinous act. >> an investigation like this, part of it, obviously, i guess it's focused on two fronts. one, figuring out what happened. the exact -- the tick tock, the timeline, but also figuring out, is there something else planned by anybody else if he was involved with others? is there anything else planned? it's sort of, i would assume, backward looking and forward looking. >> yeah, exactly. police are concerned. we've had two shootings in a close period of time. is there a third one out there, a fourth one out there? is there some kind of conspiracy. and like art said, we've got to look back on this guy pretty far. and to me, it's, how did the united states marine radicalize himself to the point where he did something like this five or six years later. that's really astounding to me.

so we're going to have to go back and find out where this guy finally -- something happened to his brain where he decided, this is the kind of thing he wanted to do. going back in his background, talking to neighbors, talking to all his friends, people he was in the marine corps with, going through each and every bit of his records, telephone records, home records, best friends, you know, all things like that. that's how we're going to find out whether or not there's a conspiracy. we'll have to look into all these organizations that he supposedly is a member of. that's going to be very important in the investigation. >> and certainly we know about the shooter in dallas. also had some military background. had served overseas. the shooter posted videos on youtube talking about the need to -- about fighting back and that zero had been successful just over simple protesting. also talked about what people should say about him if anything happened to him. it's interesting that in this day and age, people sort of telegraph these things now on

social media in advance of committing an act like this. >> yeah. it is interesting. and certainly we see that a lot in law enforcement today. but, of course, if you have someone who very well may be psychologically unstable, he's going to find that as an outlet, a way to vent and a way to seek attention as well. so i'm not surprised at it. and i think we've seen it as well in other places across the country where we've seen these type of mass shootings. >> sheriff babeu, there's information the shooter was a member of a -- what is sort of a sovereign group, in this case, a black sovereign group. essentially, i think, their belief is that the sovereign groups that they're not beholden to the central government. is that your understanding? >> yes, we're hearing more information there. and he actually has what you'd call a manifesto and youtube

videos where he's talking about protests and he's talking about surveillance by the government or gang tracking by law enforcement of individuals. and so when you have somebody, and i think your other guest is spot on that there's clearly some underlying -- not just mistrust but likely some mental health issues afoot here, and, yet, on this manifesto, he talks about not just protesting accomplishing nothing that you actually have to fight back. and so this is the culmination and the evolution that he took and is very dangerous. and whether it's a copycat or it's the environment that we're in where not just the protests, the perceptions in deal with race and dealing with us in law enforcement who are sworn to protect and serve and the perception out there being there's a lot of race driving our enforcement.

>> we're going to have more from baton rouge after the break. i'll speak with a local congressman about the people in his city are going through at this point. later with law enforcement now on edge in ohio, an open carry state, security challenges here at the republican convention as our coverage continues. & in a world held back by compromise, businesses need the agility to do one thing & another. only at&t has the network,

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tragic day for baton rouge. the fallen officer montrell jackson acknowledged in his facebook posting just a week ago, the city was already hurting deeply before the shootout this morning that took his life. nearly 250,000 people live in baton rouge including retired general russel honore. lewis congressman gary graves represents the area. he joins us again. sorry it's under these circumstances. what is your message to the people in baton rouge right now? >> you know, the message, everyone here knows this. this is not louisiana. this is not baton rouge.

what you saw today, number two, we cannot, we should not let this shooter dictate what happens here and how we respond and proliferating hate. what happened with the shooting several days ago with alton sterling, it's something that absolutely we need to learn from, that we need to be coming together and not allow this to further divide our community. >> one of the officers killed is actually from your district. i assume -- obviously the death of any officer, but to hear that he's from your district must be an additional burdinen to hear. >> it is. these are our friends, neighbors. you see their faces on tv. it makes it very real. i was out this morning out on the scene of the shooting, on the scene of the command center talking to officers that looked like they could bench press a car and these guys are sitting

there in tears. you know, this is very personal. it's very close to home. and threatening to rip our community apart. >> does it -- i mean, obviously, it's a law enforcement issue, but does it change the way law enforcement needs to start, you know, operating on the streets? we were already hearing police forces talking about having their officers, even on down time taking meals together or no longer going out one officer in a patrol car but a minimum of two officers. do you think this will have some sort of a ripple effect? >> i think it will. i think it needs to until we get a better handle of exactly what the threat is. the reality is that you have people like this, like the shooter today, that obviously have major mental problems. and things like that are very difficult to defend against in

terms of this lone wolf type attacks, as it apparently is. we need to take all precautions. if we lose the rule of law because our law enforcement can't go out there and safely patrol our streets, then that results in chaos. >> in terms of the gunman, there's been some indication he was with other people in baton rouge, staying with people at the very least. it's unclear if they were in any way part of this. it's obviously very much an active investigation. are you able to speak to that at all? do you have any information? >> we certainly have heard similar information. i think it's best for us to wait for law enforcement to come out and confirm those things. but what i think is most important is that this, in fact, is, you know, sort of imported violence. we said early this morning this is not our community. this is not how we respond, and learning the shooter was actually from missouri confirms

that. this is not how we would act here in this community. you came down here for the oil spill and hurricanes and others. and people would give the shirt off their back to help out other people in our community. and they quite frankly have. so to see this type of division, divisiveness and hatred is very clearly not what our community is about. >> congressman garrett graves, i appreciate you talking to us. the shooting in baton rouge being felt here in cleveland. 11th hour effort to temporarily suspend the state's open carry law amid fears about security. plus the extra measures being taken to keep the city safe over the next four days. we'll be right back. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, mary's data could be under attack. with the help of at&t, and security that senses and mitigates cyber threats,

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more breaking news today. repercussions from baton rouge. we've just learned the new york police department is instructing officers to double up on foot patrols. officers are being instructed to take all meals and personal breaks in pairs. repercussions in cleveland as well. the head of one of cleveland's largest police unions called on governor kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's republican national convention. six police officers in baton rouge this morning prompted it. the incident in nice, france,

last week. warren savidge joins me. let's talk about how recent events have impacted security, how it's handled here at the convention. >> it's been staggering. almost every day in the lead-up in the last week to this convention there's been some new security issue raised as a result of some tragedy, whether it be terror attack overseas or shooting incidents in the united states. the police have been working with the secret service for over a year and a half working on the security plan here. they made adjustments in the last few days. they openly admit that. even going down to putting snow plows out in public places to use as a barrier for anyone crazed enough to use a vehicle to break through. the latest concern is those trying to secure the convention are now themselves being targeted. you heard the police union chief not only asking that there be a lifting of this open carry rule here in the state of ohio but also asking their officers be teamed up. that's not a problem here.

the officers here are working not in just pairs, they're working in groups. and everywhere they go, they are usually backed up by federal authorities as well as military personnel that have their back as well. i can't tell you how many in total there are trying to secure this convention. 4,000 military troops brought in. at least 3,000 police troops brought in. and then there's a whole host of federal entities that are here. the big thing is trying to protect it all for the delegates and they're all coming out of the welcome party that was taking place tonight. so far only one arrest. a person attempted to steal an officer's gas mask. >> so in terms of the open carry because ohio is an open carry state, no guns are being allowed inside the secret service area. guns are allowed inside the event zone. is that correct? >> that's right. and the event zone covers much of downtown cleveland. the specific area around the arena where the convention is, no. and in fact tonight just before

this welcome event for thousands of delegates got under way, the secret service tweeted out, remember, you can't bring your gun to the concert tonight. it shows you the bizarre environment which we're operating in which you have this incredibly intense security level and yet at the same time, state law allows, the constitution demands that people can openfully carry. they can wear it on their hip or hold it on their shoulder. at least one person downtown with a rifle walking around on public square. there were a lot of cops monitoring but nobody steps in because it's perfectly legal for him to do. but it is a nightmare of concern for both the officers and the local and federal level. anderson? >> and have there been -- today was sunday. hasn't started yet but have there been protests already? >> actually been protests for the last eight days. and up until today, there haven't been any arrests. today there were two demonstrations. one of them was an open carry in

which not only one individual showed up. another one was holding hands ceremony. it was sort of a circle the city with love. meant to be a unity gathering. there were well over 1,000 for that one. but then an anti-trump one tonight of about 100 people. again, it was peaceful but the police officers, i would say, outnumbered the protesters at least 3 to 1. so, so far, we've not seen significant protests but those really will start up tomorrow. >> martin savidge, thanks for being out there for us. joining us is a former sheriff of cuyahoga county, ohio. what do you think about this request to suspend open carry for the time of the convention? >> i spoke at length about this this morning. i agree 100%. >> from the -- >> the police union. cleveland police department union. i agree with him 100%. i really don't believe that it's stepping on the constitution for five days. i think just makes it total

common sense. it's, to my belief, it's a common sense approach to policing during this extraordinary time that we're living in over the last two or three weeks. >> from a security standpoint, obviously from a constitutional standpoint, governor kasich has already said this is not possible. you can't just suspend it like this. how does the attack today, you think, in baton rouge and obviously the attack also in dallas change security here? does it? does it alter it? >> they have been putting this plan together for over a year. does it heighten this security -- they would be less than human if these officers weren't -- they weren't heightened security issues. yes, in a sense, some of them are going to be with two and three and four officers where they are originally scheduled for one officer or two officers. so i think that -- i don't think it puts a strain on the number of officers because we have --

>> the sheer volume of people. >> we have a lot. >> the 1.7-mile radius of the event zone, it still stretches law enforcement. we had a 3.3-mile event zone reduced by a federal judge after one of the organizations sued. but it's now 1.7. we have to deal with it. but i think that we have the manpower for it. >> you think the city is ready for this? >> i do. i do. even in light of everything that's happened. >> difficult day. bob, thank you very much. we're going to take a short break. a lot more ahead in this hour. donald trump and his chosen running mate, indiana governor mike pence giving their first interview together on the eve of the convention. what they said and how they seem side by side talking about some of their differences and similarities. so you can take your business just about anywhere.

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clinton released a statement saying there is no justification for violence, for hate, for attacks on men and women who put their lives on the line every day in service of our families and communities. and trump took to social media saying, we are trying to fight isis and now our own people are killing our police. our country is divided and out of control. the world is watching. the latest incident comes as trump steps out with his new running mate. indiana governor mike pence. and argues they are the ticket most prepared to take on security threats. as trump reiterated his call to declare war on isis. >> we have to wipe out isis. these are people that -- >> with troops on the ground? >> i am going to have very few troops on the ground. >> reporter: trump touted his decision to team up with pence as a step toward party unity. >> one of the reasons i chose mike, so many people have said party unity because i'm an outsider. >> reporter: even as divisions

on policy and presentation emerge within the ticket. pence decries negative campaigning, his running mate has a habit of branding opponents with insulting nicknames. something trump won't pressure pence to take part in. >> i call her crooked hillary. i didn't ask him to do it. but i don't think he should do it because it's different for him. >> reporter: reince priebus says those splits will elevate the ticket, not divide it. >> difference in demeanor is something that would be very valuable. >> that's for sure. >> but people want strength. people love that about donald trump but it's also good and reassuring to see a diversity in style. >> reporter: a long time pence ally, indiana gop chairman jeff cardwell echoing that sentiment in an interview with cnn and showing pence isn't harboring hard feelings over reports that pence was his second vp pick. >> he wanted to take time and be sure about that selection.

and in the end, he felt comfortable with mike pence. he chose mike pence. they'll be a great president and vice president. >> trump says he's comfortable with pence. they clearly do not see eye to eye on every issue. the iraq war came up in that interview that aired just a few hours ago. >> that's right. there are a number of issues they split. we've seen donald trump go across the country hammering hillary clinton for authorizing the war in iraq. and mike pence also voted to authorize the war in iraq. when donald trump was asked about that tonight on "60 minutes" he said i don't care. mike pence is allowed to make some mistakes here and there that people were misled and also asked is hillary clinton allowed to make some mistakes? donald trump says no. anderson? >> all right. sara murray, thank you. a lot to talk about with the pam. xm radio host, michael sm smerconish. y ina mallika henderson, jeffrey

lord and s.e. cupp and van jones. nia, do you buy reince priebus' argument that the differences between trump and pence are actually valuable or is it a liability? >> i think it depends on how this whole kind of shotgun arranged marriage goes. we'll see what the democrats try to do with mike pence's record. you can see that donald trump is obviously trying to in part run on pence's indiana record. democrats will try to make hay out of that. you can imagine that democrats will try to go into some of these states like ohio and the rust belt particularly and say, listen, mike pence also was a supporter of nafta. also a supporter of tpp. so i think it's an evolving thing. you are a republican. you have to put a good face on this. for mike pence, the real problem is going to be whether he expands the base of voters. he is i think, shoring up those

republican voters. is he going to be able to expand into some of those sun belt states where it's a more diverse -- >> there are always differences between the vice presidential candidate and presidential candidate. often they've run against each other. ronald reagan and george h.w. bush. he called reagan's policies voodoo economics. is this just business as usual? is it just the way it always is? >> there's nothing business as usual as all about what's to take place next door, right? but i get your point. typically this is a sign of a healthy attitude of welcoming different points view of from your vice president, cabinet or whatever the case may be. i'd answer the question a little differently which is to say he may -- pence may have voted the same way as hillary relative to iraq. the only thing that matters to these 5,000 folks is he's not hillary. and this is a group that's united in one purpose. they are against her. i don't think they are yet united that donald trump is the guy. i've been speaking to many folks

gathering already. many are just not thrilled about the fact that he's about to become the nominee. >> as we mentioned earlier, governor pence and trump gave their first interview to "60 minutes" airing tonight. i want to play a bit more of it and get the panel's reaction. >> what do you think about your running mate's campaign and the tone and the negativity of it? >> i think this is a good man talking about the issues the american people care about. >> but name calling? lyin' ted? >> i said campaigns ought to be about something more important than just one candidate's election. and this campaign and donald trump's candidacy has been about the issues the american people care about. >> what about the negative side? he apologized for being a negative -- >> i understand that. i'll give you an example. hillary clinton is a liar. hillary clinton, that was just proven last week. hillary clinton is a crook. >> that's negative. >> i call her crooked hillary.

i didn't ask him to do it. but i don't think he should do it because it's different for him. >> van? >> you know, that looked like a ketchup and peanut butter sandwich. ketch sup good. >> you've never had one of those? >> peanut butter is good. on the same sandwich it's a nasty mess. those two people should not be in the same conversation. part of the thing is now nafta. that was his big trump card to run through the rust belt and say nafta, nafta. he's now married to mr. nafta. i think that this was too clever -- >> people vote for the top of the ticket. i don't think if you are an undecided voter you are suede by the fact that donald trump has one feeling on trade and his running mate had a different one. i don't think that's going to be the problem. the problem is that this pick was designed to satiate anxious

conservatives, to calm down anxious conservatives. trump's position is so weak that he is still trying to shore up his own voters. a pick that could have reached out to other kinds of voters. minorities, women, millennials. would have looked quite different than mike pence. the problem is mike pence doesn't necessarily bring in new voters to trump's ticket. he barely is going to bring conservative voters. >> no matter who he picked, we would have been having the discussion, he didn't pick the following x number of people and leaves people out because of that. this is the fairly standard kfrg that goes on when we have nomin nominees. one thing we have to be real about other than lyndon johnson carrying tex farce john f. kennedy, i can't think of a single vice presidential nominee of either party that -- when you think of agnew and all the negative press he got. nixon still won. ditto with dan quayle and george

bush. favorable press for lloyd benson. didn't help michael -- >> we're all friends here. didn't you feel weird watching that? wasn't that an awkward and bizarre? no? >> here's something. for a long time, republican voters have been very frustrated because we got the mccains, the romneys who didn't adequately attack and go after the other party the way they needed to. we finally have an attack dog at the top of the ticket willing to call out the left. this was very important because donald trump came into a party that stood for certain values and said the platform needs to budge on these issues. nevertheless, he is showing loyalty to the republican party by saying i respect this party. i respect where it came from. i respect what it stands for. i'm putting my foot out there -- >> it looked like he was running this dude over. you go on a date with somebody and the guy just overtalks the date and everybody is sitting there auk ward. that's what it looked like. >> one at a time.

>> it's the vice presidency. it's an incredibly -- it's already an emasculating position. the whole job is to go around carrying someone else's water. pretend you never had the beliefs you did. you've always supported this new person that maybe you didn't. under donald trump it's ten times more emasculating. he doesn't have pence sitting there to hog this interview. donald trump is not going to empower mike pence. that's not his brand. whether you think that's a good thing or bad thing -- >> it will be interesting to see what role mike pence if it gets to donald trump being elected president, what role mike pence plays in the administration. >> i agree with s.e.'s point in terms of this was a pick to salve the concerns of conservatives who are delegates. there's not a growth strategy here, though. this is a declaration that in the minds of the trump campaign, it's a turnout election. enough folks and they are white and primarily male and older and

we are going to drive that core constituency and people of color and women in terms of trying to win them over be damned. >> but if you had put somebody on there, he's a justice of the supreme court, but leave that aside. if you put clarence thomas on there who is very conservative, you would have people going around today saying, oh, my god, you can't have him on the ticket. well, he's there because this will appeal to african-americans. that's not the way this works. whenever you put somebody on there, they're always going to say you should have put somebody else on there. >> of course that's true. but you can't argue that he is starting from a position of weakness here. if he had put someone like marshall blackburn who might have been able to pull some women in. maybe even conservative women. then you could argue that this -- >> we'd be saying -- >> he couldn't be completely relinquished getting new voters. >> do you think a vp that way has never proved successful

looking at identity politics trying to put someone in a place to win a certain constituency. donald trump approached this by saying, who can take my place in the event something happens to me? who can be the liaison between me and paul ryan and mitch mcconnell? >> one at a time. >> i thought one of the main reasons he talked about was because of party unity. >> he never said -- >> he never said i think this person could be president in the event i die. >> he made fun of hillary clinton for -- he said politicians always say that's what they say a vice president is for. >> he wants someone that knows congress. that's been in congress. that knows how to govern this atmosphere. >> that could help him in relationships. >> yeah, but he's very nakedly said that the party, essentially the party is not unified and mike pence was a nod to party uniive kag unification. >> what's wrong with that? >> that's not what kayleigh is

saying donald trump is looking at in mike pence. somebody prepared for the office. he is, by the way. i know mike pence. he's a great conservative and a credible politician. very skilled. but what donald trump has nakedly admitted is the party is not unified and mike pence -- >> by doing what they want and now you're upset. >> i'm not upset. i'm saying what kayleigh is saying is not what -- >> van? >> what democrats are going to do, they're going to try to benefit here. you'll say donald trump has a divisive personality. you're going to play that up. pence has divisive policies. going to play that up. this is a divisive ticket. so what was unfortunate about that interview, if you are on trump's side, is that pence's personality is actually great. what you had in that interview was the worst of all possible worlds. a guy with a great personality. he can't show that because donald trump is doing what he

always does. being the bully, the bulldog. you'll see democrats do -- pence is an extraordinarily capable and prepared guy. if he -- maybe if he'd gotten a sarah palin i would be saying peanut butter and ketchup. he goes and gets somebody that's more prepared. democrats have to show that even though he is prepared, what he's prepared to do is bad for america and -- >> sarah palin does not have a speaking role at -- >> he used her and threw her in the garbage can. >> too far to fly from alaska apparently. >> he was so proud to have her. pulled her out there. showed -- >> i don't think there -- i don't know what it is but i don't think there's any rift between the two of them. she really likes him and he really likes her. >> a huge name. >> surely there is some reason here that -- >> it's not as if there are other speakers monday through thursday revealed where you sit back and say, oh, i see.

they put so n and so in that sl. as a result they don't have room for sarah palin. >> bigger names -- >> he's great at these settings. i've always said she in some ways was donald trump before donald trump was donald trump. she is fantastic in these big, large, you know, arenas. and so i can -- >> i would just say i've never heard anybody say, i heard so and so speak at the convention and, therefore, cast my vote. >> bill clinton 2012. a third american now confirmed dead in the nice, france, terror attack. also, turkey after the attempted coup. what the government is strovowio do when "360" continues.

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part of a school study program abroad in nice. in turkey at this hour, people are still filling the streets protesting the attempted coup there two nights ago. large crowds still answering the call by president reccep tayyip erdogan. today he vowed that all those involved will face justice. nearly 300 were killed in the botched uprising. about 1,400 others injured and around 6,000 have been arrested. arwa damon joins us from istanbul tonight. a lot still going on in turkey. what's the latest at this hour, arwa? >> reporter: there really is. those pro-erdogan or anti-coup demonstrations or celebrations as they most certainly appear to be at least here in istanbul, only just ended in the last half hour. erdogan really trying to push

forward and show his opponents that he does truly have this people power. and it was at the end of the day his ability to rally people into the streets that arguably allowed him to stay in power and led to the failure of this very disorganized coup. we do have these countrywide mass round-ups that are taking place. thousands of people now being detained. among them some very senior generals. this is causing some concern. there are very real fears that erdogan is going to use this failed coup to go after anyone who dares oppose him, anderson. >> turkish officials have also made an extradition request to the united states. sort of part of the drama taking place in the u.s. for a man that they believe or they claim is behind the coup. can you talk more about that? >> yeah, and that is a cleric nailed fethullah gulen living in

exile in the united states. erdogan and his government accuse him of having a terrorist organization, a terrorist movement whom they say is actually behind this attempted coup. gulen himself denies this. the turkish president has, however, said he'll be presenting the u.s. with evidence that he says will prove that gulen is behind this. and then turkey does fully expect the united states to extradite him, extradite gulen to turkey. erdogan says this will be a test of america and turkey's friendship. there's some significant tensions possibly ahead, depending on how this all plays out and how the u.s. reacts. >> and do we know exactly what's going to happen next? the coup is considered to have failed. there's been all these round-ups of people. what's the next step? >> and that's what we really don't know, anderson. that's why so many people are so

afraid. this was a country bracing itself for violence. they thought maybe another attack by isis, maybe more targeted attacks by the kurdish separatist group pkk. nobody was expecting this type of violent military coup. that's why there's so much uncertainty. no one knows how the erdogan government is going to react or deal with those that's it has thrown behind bars. >> arwa damon, be careful. we'll be right back. they contour to your body.ses it it keeps us comfortable and asleep at night. can i take a nap now? (vo) change your sleep, change your life, change to tempur-pedic. every day, brian drives carefully to work. and every day brian drives carefully to work, there are rate suckers. he's been paying more for car insurance because of their bad driving for so long, he doesn't even notice them anymore. but one day brian gets snapshot from progressive.

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we began the program this evening with the hard facts of the killings in baton rouge in louisiana. they are terrible what happened there. three police officers killed. three more hospitalized. we end with a friend talking about the friend he lost. we just got this picture of matthew gerald. this guy would never treat anyone differently for any reason, he says. he always made people smile. officer gerald was 41 years old. a wife and two children. that's it for us tonight. time now for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. this is cnn breaking news. >> thank you very much, anderson. our breaking news tonight. three police officers shot to death in baton rouge as thousands of gop party faithful