hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. happy tuesday. it is day number two here at republican national convention. we are live in cleveland, ohio. you're watching cnn's special live coverage taking a peek there inside the quicken loans arena. for 13 months donald trump has been waiting for this very moment. and just a couple of hours. let's not lose sight of this -- the delegates will officially nominate him to be president of the united states. but this campaign highlight is now overshadowed by a convention low point. the accusations that parts of

the speech his wife gave before millions and millions of people were virtually identical to what michelle obama said in her speech in denver some eight years ago. and politicos are asking what's worse? the apparent copying or the perceived coverup as trump's campaign chairman repeatedly insists there was no plagiarism in melania trump's speech, and that the campaign will not fire, will not discipline any staffer. >> these were common words and values and she cares about her family, that things like that. i mean she was speaking in front of 35 million people last night. she knew that. to think that she would be cribbing michelle obama's words is crazy. >> barack and i were raised with so many of the same values, like you work hard for what you want in life, what your word is your bond, that you do what you say you're going to do. >> my parents impressed on me

the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise. >> the speech was a poignant speech, it was well received by the american people. there is no -- we don't believe there is anything in that speech that doesn't reflect her thinking and we don't think that -- and she says -- we're comfortable that the words that she used are words that were personal to her. >> and barack and i set out to build lives guided by these values and to pass them on to the next generation because we want our children and all children in this nation to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work hard for them. >> because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements

is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them. >> there is a political tint to this whole issue and certainly we've noted that the clinton camp was the first to get it out there and trying to say that there was something untoward about the speech that melania trump gave. it is just another example as far as we're concerned that when hillary clinton is threatened by a female, the first thing she does is try and destroy the person. >> all right, let's go first to sara murray who's been covering the trump campaign for us for months and months and months. she's there inside the convention hall. what, sara, according to multiple sources trump is furious. >> reporter: that's right, brooke. we are hearing that trump is not particularly happy with how this played out and is sort of wondering how this happened, how lines that were in michelle obama's speech came to be in melania's speech, and why it wasn't caught. but the other thing that we're hearing is that campaign staffers will not be disciplined, that they will not

be fired as a result of this, and i'll tell you, i spent a lot of time with a number of trump campaign aides earlier today, and there was not shear panic. they didn't look like a campaign coming apart at the seams. in fact there was a sense by the campaign that if there is a media controversy, let them spin it. it is a media fight against melania trump and they're willing to let it play out. >> in an interview by matt lauer of melania trump, she said she wrote the speech. do we know who else's eyes were on that speech before tonight? >> the campaign has said that it was a collaborative effort with other people. they have not told us exactly who those people are. i think one thing that's key to remember in this, melania trump is not a candidate. she is not the one who is running. we do know that she spent weeks working on this, that she did

take delivering this speech very seriously and she of course had a hand in it. so the question is what other professionals helped her out with this and should someone have caught these similarities, or did someone else insiert thee similarities on their own that should have known better than to have lines so close to one another and exactly the same in these cases. but this campaign believes this news will be overshadowed by this afternoon, by donald trump being officially nominated, by the roster of speakers on tap for tonight. i think in some ways they are waiting for this to pass so they can move beyond it. >> sara murray, thank you for now. while trump's campaign says, sara mentioned, plans to take no sort of disciplinary action over melania trump's speech, the former campaign manager who was recently fired has a different take. here was cory lewandowski earlier today on cnn. >> i think paul needs to take a look inside and make sure protocols were in place and that

there is a check and balance of every speech that's going to go forward. and whoever signed off with the final signoff that allowed this to go forward should be held at accountable. if it turned out to be paul manafort, he should resign. if he saw this and brought this on the candidate's wife, i think he would resign because i think that's the type of person he would be. >> let's have a chat about this, shall we? i have a mega panel. anna marie cox, senior political correspondent for mtv news. cnn political commentator stan pfeiffer, used to serve as senior advisor for president obama. trump supporter scottie hughes is with us and legendary journalist carl bernstein, author of "woman in charge, the life of hillary rodham clinton." welcome to all of you. we're listening to the sound bites. but to you first. when you watch both speeches, '08 versus last night -- by the way, she did a beautiful job.

but, it is mighty similar. can we agree that this does appear to be plagiarism? >> from my perspective, it absolutely -- i don't know about plagiarism but it is very, very much similar and it is at least inspired by michelle borm's speech. it is a common theme amongst republicans and democrats, the values referenced in both speeches. i do agree there has to be some reference. the question is was it intentionally or purposely meant to be pulled off and put in or was it somebody that may be -- i do think maybe melania did write part of this herrer is. she did her research. english is her third language. i think she was inspired by this and in other parts. there is a reference to a rock 'n' roll song as well. i think she did it, she pulled it together. where i find fault is the editor with the campaign, whoever that was that read it should have known. >> that's what we don't know. that was my question to sara. we don't know who else would have taken a look at it. let me turn to you from your obama years and what you know about speeches.

let's say melania wrote the speech. let's go with her, what she told matt lauer that she wrote most of the speech. that said, who else would have taken a look at this? you have millions of eyeballs watching her? >> every member of the campaign's leadership would have read it. any normal functioning campaign would have a team of researchers who go through every single word uttered at the convention to make sure this didn't happen. it is absolutely mind boggling that they allowed this to happen. the speech is always treated with the most care is the spouse of the candidate. because that's not the person who is a politician. this is new to them and you want to protect them from any sort of mistakes. she was let down by the staff, i think. >> so that's the issue, is whether or not why then if there -- had to have been other eyeballs on the speech, why not some sort of firing or disciplinary issue. does that speak to a larger issue, you think, with the campaign? >> i think larger issue is manafort and what he said today. the whole idea when he you a talking about crazy, what's crazy is him saying it is not

plagiarism. it clearly is. the other fascinating thing is to hear how mrs. trump was inspired by michelle obama. that's -- >> she has said that -- >> i think it's really interesting. i think it is something to dwell on given what this campaign is. look, this election -- let's not get too far into the weeds over this. this will go away at some point. >> it will. it will. >> but this election is the gettysburg of the cultural wars. whoever wins this election, culture wars may be over but they're never going to be the same. it is about two americas. whoever wins, we are going to see a different america. and that -- what we saw in the hall last night was that battle being waged. and i think somewhat effectively in terms of those who are in the middle, who are be i understand pen -- independents. i think there was sol ground gained in the culture wars last night for the trump people.

>> positively? >> positively. not in terms of -- >> i didn't hear her say four score and seven years ago last night. >> i'm happy to move past this. i'm happy to move past this as someone who's not a supporter of the trump campaign, i'm happy to drop this and just move on to the racism and homophobia. i think that's much more relevant. i think pence's record is something that sort of gotten -- the shiny object of that interview he did with "60 minutes" and interrupting. i think trump's hand up the back of his jacket. i think we sort of skipped over some of the policy issues and some of the other stuff that was said at this convention, including things that are sort of official surrogates for the trump campaign saying, things that are pretty objectionable. and the actual policies of the trump campaign to the extent they have them. i don't think this is a sign of a campaign coming apart at the seams because this is a campaign without seams. this is a campaign that's like a

used piece of gum, just rolled around in a bunch of lint. >> let me just add one piece of criticism was the fact that we know that donald trump called in to bill o'reilly last night on fox at the exact same time during a very emotional speech, patricia smith was speaking about her son who died in benghazi, 1 of the 4 americans. that's when trump decides to call in. don't know if that it was trump's call or folks on the campaign didn't know. not maybe the most sensitive time to do that. i think questions maybe larger seam issues. >> to that end, that is a very valuable criticism right there. let me say this, you haven't said this is wrong this is what we're talking about but this is taking away from last night which was a lot of meat and potatoes to the conservative base. they really would have enjoyed. you might see it one way, but there -- this is actually the nutrition that the republican party needs. base needs to show this was actually what the candidate is all about, those core conservative values that all the speaker last night were talking about. you might not agree with them.

but instead we're talking about this. >> let's talk about last night. let's talk about last night. >> this is the fault of the campaign that it is a level of ineptitude today that is indicative of -- >> why is that continuing? is this something the campaign's wanting or not? >> every time paul manafort goes out and speaks he is compounding this problem. they had said first thing this morning we are sorry, we made a mistake, we'll take action. >> is it possible manafort would have said that without checking with donald trump. once again we have to look to the candidate. this is the candidate in charge of his campaign. it is his response. it is utter -- if manafort said that on his own, he ought to be fired -- twice. >> i think the responses of the campaign here, the sort of circling of the wagons, i think we're seeing as a campaign that's more loyal to its candidate and more afraid of getting fired than they are of doing a good job. >> no, because right now we know that mr. trump is angry and

rightfully so. his wife is being speared. he's very, very defensive of his family. i think that's the controversy why you haven't seen someone fired yet. i'm going to put yet on there because i think somebody will be fired. no man would let his wife be smeared publicly. his marriage has been criticized. his wife has been criticized. he's angry and i think he is deciding who should be the exact person accountable. >> doesn't that make the job of don jr. and tiffany a bit more challenging, scrutinized this evening? >> absolutely. we know this convention was going to be unconventional. if they were going to steal the narrative no matter what every single day. once again, top to bottom, every single news network we're talking about donald trump. again, this is an example of how he won the primary. it is continuing on. >> thank you all. thank you very much. we didn't think it would be dull. it is definitely not. welcome to cleveland. listen, we're happy we're here. trump actually once compared him

to a child molester who cannot be cured. but tonight ben carson will speak on trump's behalf. and the head of fox news has been given a deadline to resign or be fired after new revelations now from megyn kel y kelly. a lot to talk about on this tuesday. don't move a muscle. this is cnn special live coverage. why weigh yourself down?

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ben cars welcome back. we're live in cleveland. i'm brooke baldwin. let's take a look at this evening's big roster for speakers here at the republican national convention. you will definitely see some folks who haven't always had the most flattering things to say about donald trump. house speaker paul ryan for one who just in the last 24 hours said trump was "not my kind of conservative." senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who says trump is best scripted because he doesn't know much about policy. his former republican rival, dr. ben carson who even while endorsing trump said, "are there better people?

probably." then there is new jersey governor chris christie who some say is maybe still a little bitter about losing out on being on the trump ticket. with me now, jackie kucinich, washington bureau chief for the bailey -- daily beast and david gregory. let's just begin with paul ryan, how does he -- it's fascinating to look at the different people and see sort of what they've said in recent months or recent hours and knowing that they're up there obviously trying to unify the party. how does he walk that fine line? >> well, i think he's the most interesting to watch because when he says he's a different kind of conservative, he wants donald trump -- may not want him to be president but will support him because he doesn't like the alternative. but what you're going to hear from paul ryan don't is his agenda for an economic revival led by republicans as the leader of the house of representatives. and he's going to make it very clear tonight, and if if trump were to become president that he wants his agenda to prevail, not

trump's agenda. he wants to be the one who's actually driving this. this is going to speak to the conflict within the party about the economic way forward, issues like trade, taxes, spending and otherwise. paul ryan really is a leader in the republican party who wants to use that leverage over donald trump. >> does he pull a rick perry and not mention trump's name? >> i think he'll mention trump's name. if he wasn't before, he will now. but i also think you're going to hear a lot about the supreme court which is a u.nifier with republicans. if you get hillary clinton you won't get the justices you want that could shape the court for generations. i think you'll hear people like mitch mcconnell and some of the other senators speaking this evening talk about that. because that to conservatives in particular is a very unifying front against hillary clinton. >> if they want party unity for these down ballot races, if there are house races, that's important to paul ryan. important to the party.

gubernatorial and senate races. but don't forget this whole event, this whole convention is trump having an opportunity to unite the party and having paul ryan up there does a lot to do that. i'm sure ryan will underline where they see things the same. but what ryan is not going to do is put up with the kind of hard-edge rhetoric or any kind of intolerant rhetoric that we've heard from trump. >> four years ago in tampa we remember chris christie talking a lot about chris christie and not so much about mitt romney. now he's been buds with mr. trump for decades. is he still bitter? how will that translate on stage? >> i think chris christie has sort of put on a happy face tonight. because he was so roundly mocked for that speech that he didn't mention mitt romney once. he just talked about chris christie. he knows donald trump better than he knows mitt romney. and he also -- they have a similar style in a lot of ways.

i think you'll hear more about donald trump from chris christie than you will chris christie. >> i agree an additional reason. i think christie didn't really care for romney and for his campaign and didn't like the way they were headed, didn't like the vetting process when he was being looked at for vp. i think chris christie right now understands if trump were to prevail that he's got a big future in this administration. >> to you for the fun question, we're all sitting there watching every single speech last night. then you see the black silhouette and the man walking through the doors and the smoke and the "we are the champions." and that was the big trump entrance last night. his big night is thursday night in his speech. what is his walk-in? >> two words -- golden escalator. he's going to roll it in, come down just like he came down that first day. it is going to be a nostalgia move. >> i can't -- gold has to be

involved. but think about when bill clinton did the slow walk with the low camera move into the hall. what year was that? >> you got me. >> i think it was four or eight years ago. that was the big bill clinton, all the job creation and all of that. it was a brig celebratory thing for hillary clinton. very much a cult of personality. but don't forget, tonight it is also his son. don jr. that's important because it will do a lot of rounding out who trump is. there is a lot on the agenda to try to accomplish. i think that each hour kind of has its own theme and what's beneficial to them is that they have no filter, a direct shot at tens of millions of people to make that case. >> david gregory, jackie kucinich, we'll see what happens through the rest of the week. thank you very much. next, not many people in our media sphere are more powerful than the roger ailes.

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here we go. this bombshell report today involving the head of fox news and one of its biggest stars. we're talking about roger ailes, already accused of sexual harassment by a former anchor. he's apparently on his way out. let's get straight to cnn's media correspondent, host of reliable sources, brian stelter, here in cleveland with me as well as the writer of this damning journal, gabriel sherman from "new york" magazine. tell us what you know. >> we know megyn kelly has come forth in this investigation that's being done by an outside law firm into the allegations that gretchen carlson raised in her lawsuit. she's told the lawyers that she herself experienced sexual harassment by roger ailes as of ten years ago. ten years ago. >> she was a young reporter at fox news. >> yes. rising up through the washington bureau. yes. >> since then she has obviously risen to where she is. >> yes. the other critical piece of information we now know is that as of yesterday, the murdoches told roger ailes' representatives that he has

until august 1st to resign quietly and amicably. otherwise, he could be fired for -- terminated for cause after that. they've gone to him with this ultimatum. this is where the state of play stands. >> we are talking about a gop kingmaker, a man who ran campaigns for republicans decades ago. now a television legend. he built fox news from nothing into the powerhouse it is today. if he is to step down or be fired in the weeks to come it means a lot for the future of fox. it also means something for women who have experienced this in the workplace who may want to come forward. >> he is denying all the allegations of sexual harassment. but the striking report on the report from megyn kelly, i've been calling she and her husband's personal cell phone number. they're saying nothing. that means they're not denying the stoery. if they wanted to deny the report, they'd have done so by now. >> i reached out to her agent before publication and they did not call me back. again they are not doing

anything to actively shoot this down. >> ailes is at work today, running the channel today on a very big week for all the cable news channels. think it is worth noting as recently as april in the press, megyn kelly has been supportive of ailes, praising ailes saying is a great boss to work for and thanking him for helping her rise to where she is in television today. >> we should also point out one thing that this investigation is really blowing the lid off is the culture of silence that roger ailes has built at fox news. women are terrified about speaking out because they signed these non-disclosure agreements, these contracts that roger ailes and the fox news lawyer buyian brandy have insisted upon them signing are very powerful contracts. the lawyers doing this investigation for rupert murdoch has said they will waive the nondisclosure part of this contract for women to come forward to speak. because women are terrified that they could be sued for speaking

out. now the lawyers say we will not use these ndas to cover up what is essentially against the law or against corporate policy. so the ndas are already gone. >> i spoke this morning to read the story and wants to speak to the law firm now. >> perhaps as more women are able to speak. >> that's the question. >> part of your reporting is roger ailes getting advice from trump? >> yes. so he has not -- not the specific story but in the last -- since gretchen carlson filed her lawsuit, donald trump has reached out to roger ailes. he has publicly praised roger ailes. >> they've been friends for decades. >> trump has been advising him behind the scenes. i know in this most recent case, rudy giuliani, of all people, a long-time ailes friend, is also part of his kitchen cabinet of advisors working with his lawyers to try to strategy guys how to get out of this mess. >> we should never yuunderestime roger ailes. there's no video or audio recordings.

we can't underestimate roger ailes. but it seems the murdoch family has him in an extremely difficult situation. >> we should lastly point out that the drudge report, one of the most powerful voices in conservative media, played this story big just now and drudge is being seen as a barometer for the fact that he's willing to give this play, his sources might be saying this is ailes' time. >> 21st century fox folks still have not commented this afternoon. their silence is kind of story now. >> wow. wow. >> all right. gabe sherman and brian stelter -- it is a big, big deal. >> we are talk being about a rival of fox. but it is shocking even if you step back, 30,000-foot view, folks in this building, folks that watch fox news, i think they're shocked, too. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. we'll obviously stay on that story. meantime, back here in cleveland, republicans did not want day two of the republican national convention dominated by all this talk of whether mrs. trump, whether melania trump, cribbed her speech last night from first lady michelle obama.

we'll talk to a journalist who is one of the first to actually spot the similarities between these two speeches and also a former speech writer for president obama about how this could possibly happen. and ahead, donald trump once said ben carson has a "pathological temper." now ben carson gets to speak about donald trump tonight. we'll look back at what he said before these two men joined forces. if you have medicare

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it is day two for the republican national convention. i know, i know, lot of people still talking about night number one here at the rnc. melania trump's speech which sounded a heck of a lot like michelle obama's speech back in 2008 at the democratic national convention. so, yes, campaign says mrs. trump's speech was not plagiarized, they say no one will be fired, no one will be disciplined. end of story. this might not have been a story at all had it not been for jarrett hill. he is a freelance journalist and actually is a former cnn intern who apparently had a raging case of deja vu as he listened to the speech last night, was one of the first people who sound the alarm. last night he took to twitter and said melania must have like michelle obama's 2008 convention speech because she plagiarized it. less than two hours later jarrett tweeted, um, this is becoming a thing, which could be an understatement of the week. then 14 minutes later simply --

omg. jared hill joi jarrett hill joins me now live from los angeles. and head writer for the "funny or die" out of d.c., welcome. jarrett, let me just rip the band-aid off and rip the question off -- were you at all paid by hillary clinton campaign, are you plant? because that is what paul manafort in the trump camp had alleged first thing this morning. >> brooke, i wish i was on someone's payroll at the clinton campaign. but, unfortunately, that is not the case. i've gotten so many tweets that suggested that i must be, direct messages that said, he's a plant, like how did he possibly know that. i would accept that check. but, no, i'm not a part of the clinton campaign. >> so, all right. that said, how did you figure this out? >> the way that i've been explaining it the best has been,

you know when you're watching a movie that you've seen before and you're kind of reciting the lines back to the screen as they are he a happening? i heard melania say this piece about the extent of -- the power of your dreams and all this piece. the word "willingness" started coming out of my mouth when she said "the willingness to work for it." then immediately afterward i said that to the screen, i thought to myself that's kind of weird. then i thought that's really weird. and then i started googling. the reporter had kind of went on. i started googling michelle's speeches. i originally thought it was from 2012. then i realized it was from 2008. i guess the rest was kind of history from there. >> wow. so you got on googles and you got retweeted like a gillion times. when you are watching night one

of a convention, how many people, from your experience, look through, let's say, a potential first lady's speech? >> i mean there's all sorts of people looking through a speech like that, not just speech writers but also you have fact checkers, you have policy teams, you have -- i mean in this case it sounded like senior advisor -- or at least someone close to the senior advisor on the campaign was doing -- >> well, they're denying that, by the way. >> well, so maybe in this case they didn't have enough people. i know the way that we've done it in the past is you have people taking a look so that maybe some of them have that exact same kind of -- what's going on here moment that jarrett just talked about and they solve this problem before it reaches to millions of people on the screen. >> what if -- let's take melania trump at her word. she told nbc that she really wrote the majority of the speech and that perhaps she watched michelle obama's '08 speech as inspiration. she is apparently a fan of michelle obama. we don't know who might have

looked at the speech. english is like her third, fourth or fifth language. the campaign says they will not discipline or fire anyone. do you think they should? >> yeah -- >> you can't fire melania trump. >> you cannot fire melania trump. i think as a speech writer, if i had done something this egregious, i would have expected to be fired. i think that would make a lot of sense. at the same time, if melania trump says she wrote the speech and she is the one who wrote it, you can't fire your future first lady. so i do think she can apologize. i think that sometimes, let's say this is just a mistake, then say we made a mistake and we'll make sure it doesn't happen again. that's what i would have expected. >> brooke, i would just offer that, were i a student in college and i turned in a paper with 22 out of 29 words matching and these kinds of things, we would not be having the same conversation about my college career. so it's just kind of interesting to me that this happens in this way and it is like, oh, well --

the way that they're framing it is like, oh, she -- it just kind of happened that way. it's like, when does it ever just kind of happen this way? it's kind of ridiculous. >> i don't know. i don't know. are you going to be watching as closely tonight, jarrett hill? >> are you kidding? of course. and i will be live tweeting it. it is going to be something to watch, i'm sure. >> david, finally just from your "funny or die" comedic perspective, this is comedic gold, yes? >> yes. i mean i think there is -- i think twitter has been all over this from the beginning and i think -- i said earlier to someone, the trump campaign really is the gift that keeps on giving to comedians. so we will keep taking it. >> all right, david, jarrett, thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up next, looking ahead to this evening and speakers. donald trump once compared this man to a child molester who can't be cured. but tonight, dr. ben carson will be speaking up on that massive stage on trump's behalf.

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dr. ben carson gets his chance at the convention this evening here in cleveland. he will speak in prime time. dr. carson endorsed mr. trump after leaving the race earlier this year, but i think it is fair to say that these two men really had an interesting relationship during the campaign both saying they liked the other, but it has not always been so friendly. >> he took a knife and he went after a friend, and he lunged -- he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friends. but lo and behold, it hit the belt. it hit the belt. and the knife broke. give me a break. give me a break. give me a break. the knife broke. let me tell you, i'm pretty good at this stuff. so i have a belt. somebody hits me with a belt,

it's going in because the belt moves this way. it moves this way. it moves that way! anybody want to try it on me? he said he's pathological. others said he said in the book he's got a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem because you don't cure that. that's like -- i could say -- they'd say you don't cure -- as an example -- child molester. you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. there's no cure for it. pathological, there's no cure for that. >> even if donald trump turns out not to be such a great president, which i don't think is the case. i think he is going to surround himself with really good people. but even if he didn't, we're only looking at four years. as opposed to multiple generations and perhaps the loss of the american dream forever.

>> that's the past. as we mentioned, dr. carson speaking tonight in prime time here at the rnc. he is not the only republican who's had some differences with mr. trump. joining me now, one of those political leaders who has been a big critic of trump, now supports the presumptive republican nominee. he is lieutenant governor dan patrick of the great state of texas. nice to see you again. >> great to see you again, brooke. you get combat pay here. the lights are hot. >> i need shades. i need shades. so how is it that politicians, including yourself, can go from one end of the spectrum to the other and say we like him now? >> did ever work for a network and switch to another network and suddenly they became the best? >> are you go ifg me credit? i'll take it. >> my point is ball players, trade teams. if you're on the field of battling with politics is a battle, you go all out to win. then you get traded or you switch networks or you now support another candidate. >> isn't that part of job

function versus character. one's character doesn't change. mr. trump is mr. trump is mr. trump. >> i think when it comes to politics, people say things in the heat of the battle that afterwards they can sit down and say -- and, look. >> do you regret being -- >> -- the last negative i said about donald trump was back in august of last year. i stayed out of that. i was the chair of ted's campaign in texas and worked for him around the country. i was supportive of ted, not egging him toward anyone. i had a lot of friends in the race. a lot of texas people. i've gotten to know donald trump. what i think it is a testament to people -- you see it in the other party, too. bernie and hillary, too. >> absolutely. >> but ben carson is a wonderful guy. donald trump's a wonderful guy. it is interesting when you meet him, as i have recently started working with him -- >> who, him? mr. carson? >> no. mr. trump. instantly like him. listens. not the guy you see on the stage

a little bit. when that spotlight comes on, he gets fired up. but the fact that he's reached out to cruz, ted cruz has a prime time speaking spot. they're healing that relationship. the carson relationrelationship. that's a part of politics. we as republicans are all on the same team and we want trump to win just like the democrats are all supporting the person we're going to defeat in november. >> democrats would say otherwise but i appreciate that. let me move on to what's so pertinent in the news, these police officers killed in dallas, and of course in baton rouge. we know that you've been critical of black lives matter. mr. trump was on fox saying if he were elected president of the united states, he would have the attorney general investigate that movement for any kind of criminality. would you support that? having the ag investigate them? >> absolutely. i was with the president last week and had a chance to ask him

direct questions at a town hall at another network. much of it was pretaped. what i said to the president multiple times, we can have unity but not until the chance of kill cops is removed from our streets. not until the hateful rhetoric is removed. not until we stop killing cops. we know we have a distrust in the black community of police. we know that there are some police officers who need to be replaced. and police forces want to remove those people as well. but before we can sit down at a table and have unity, we have to stop having protesters chanting kill the cops. >> which happened in 2014 which the black lives matter movement, they have condemned that kind of language. >> it happened in dallas. i know it was generally a peaceful protest but that rally started with blm leaders saying "gd white america," "f white america." so it continues. >> i can't speak to which specific groups -- i want in dallas to be able to say -- but

what is it you think the current president has not done enough? >> well, first of all, it would be nice to light the white house in blue lights which i asked him to do. police have asked him to do. but when you have eight police officers, brooke, get murdered on the street for only being police offersers and the president who has lit up the white house for other groups won't put blue lights on the white house? what does that send a message? i said to the president last week, i said mr. president, we know you believe in law enforcement, but in their heart the police officers in this country don't think you have their back and are doing everything to protect them. >> he's also getting criticism on the other side for going to dallas and giving the eulogy and not going -- >> he needs to stand up to the other side and say, you need to quiet down. we don't yell fire in the movie theater. we have first amendment rights but you can't do things that hurt people. you have a right to protest but you have to get a permit if you're going to have a march. part of that is if you are walking down the street saying what do we want, we want to kill cops now? the president has to speak out

against that and the president needs to stop inviting people to the white house who say they want to kill cops. >> okay. >> that's what the president needs to do. >> in the movement they absolutely condemn that language. it is a huge conversation that needs to be had. >> donald trump would have had blue lights at the white house the day after dallas. >> i understand. i don't know if lights would fix this whole thing -- >> but let me tell you what. lights don't fix it but it sends a message to the police that i'm with you. there are some symbolic things. today is my 41st wedding anniversary. i sent flowers to my wife. it is symbolic. there are certain things you do to express your faith, your support, your love. but secondly, the president needs to keep indicting policemen on video before he has the facts and he needs to stop the hateful rhetoric in the street. >> lieutenant governor dan patrick, thank you so much. appreciate it very much. everyone's differ perspective on this. it is important to have this conversation in this country

indeed. chris christie, governor of new jersey, speaking this evening says melania trump's speech says was 93% her own while the republican communications chief defended his speech by referencing my little pony. folks, it is just day two here at the rnc in cleveland. we've got it all covered for you. stay with me, i'm broome baldwin. 30 billion connected devices. just 30 billion? a bold group of researchers and computer scientists in silicon valley, had a breakthrough they called... the machine. it changed computing forever. and it's been part of every new technology for the last 250 years. everything? everything! this year, hewlett packard enterprise will preview the machine and accelerate the future. see star trek beyond.

top of the hour, here we are in the great state of ohio, live in cleveland. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn's special live coverage, day two of the republican national convention. folks, in just a couple of hours, it will be the moment donald trump has been waiting for since he announced his bid 13 months ago. delegates here in cleveland will officially nominate him to be president of the united states. so let's not lose track of what's happening today.

meantime though, this campaign highlight is a bit overshadowed by accusations of plagiarism, parts of the convention speech his wife melania gave before millions and millions of people last night were basically identify to what michelle obama had said in her speech at the dnc eight years ago. trump's campaign chairman repeatedly insisting today there was no plagiarism in mrs. trump's speech. that the campaign will not discontinue any staffer for her words. >> barack and i were raised with so many of the same values. >> from a young age, my parents impressed on me the values. >> you work hard for what you want in life. >> that you work hard for what you want in life. >> that your word is your bond, that you do what you say you're going to do. >> that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise.

>> let's begin with senior advisor to the trump campaign, sara sanders. welcome. >> thank you. great to be here. >> melania's speech. would you agree it is plagiarism? >> i would agree that she did an incredible job last night. i think it is very sad that we lost -- there were so many great things that we're focusing on about 12 words out of many thousand words. i think we should go back and look at the overall thing. she did a great job. >> she did. but i do have to ask these questions because there are overarching themes that people are wondering about with the trump campaign. do you know whose eyes were on that speech? >> i don't. my guess is quite a few. in any passing, you have a lot of people that go through many drafts. i know the heart and soul of this speech was melania. >> she told matt lauer that she wrote it. let's take her at her word that

she did. i also understand from trump folks that she is a fan of michelle obama. it is possible that she would have watched the speech for inspiration. i don't know. >> she is an incredibly brilliant person. she has an incredible memory. she speaks five languages. it wouldn't be surprising to me that she reads this, writes down notes. somebody else helps compile those notes and that land in there. but again, i think the bigger picture that we're missing is everything else that she said. and what -- >> before we get on to that, do you think though that someone should be disciplined for this? >> i think if we're going to talk about disciplining people and firing people, let's go back to hillary clinton. of all the people that should have been fired in the last month -- >> but we're not talking about hillary clinton. everyone last night was and it was a huge unifying force among republicans. but we're talking about melania trump and do you think someone should be actually at fault? >> look, again, i think that if melania wrote the speech, i think it was a really good

moment for her and i hate that this is what the focus is. if they are going to punish somebody, i guess if somebody specifically purposefully took something, then yes, that person should be punished. >> when paul manafort was on this morning talking to kwis i cuomo, he brought up hillary clinton and this is what happens when hillary clinton is attacked by a woman. >> the media does love to create distractions. >> he's the one who brought up hillary clinton. i'm the media and i didn't bring up hillary clinton. he brought up hillary clinton. explain that to me. >> everybody's jumping on, again, she had about a half dozen to a dozen words out of several thousand. that's the only thing we're talking about today. everybody's ignoring everything else -- >> do you think it is the campaign's fault? i agree with you, i thought it was a great night for the rnc. feeling it in there. it was strong. but at the end the coup queue

coup is mrs. trump's speech. >> i hope tonight we work on making america great again and the transition to this being able we talk about. at the end of the day people in america care a whole lot more about the issues we'll talk about tonight than a few words from melania trump. are there kids go to have a good education, are they going to be safe? that's what people care about. they don't care what about we're all talking about and we've spent all day talking about. they want to know those bigger issues. i hope we'll quickly transition over to that and make that the focus going forward. >> final question on "queen" and the big entrance from mr. trump and the smoke and the "we are the champions." the band has said please don't play our sond. they have said this in the past. they have said it now in the wake of last night. are you guys going to keep playing that song? >> that's a question you'll have

to ask somebody else. i thought it was a moment that only donald trump could pull off. if john mccain or mitt romney had tried to do that on opening night in the previous convention i don't think it would have gone as well. >> how does he top that thursday night? >> i don't know. but he always finds a way. i think everybody should tune in and see what happens. >> sara huckaby, thank you so much. really appreciate it here. trump's former campaign manager, cory lun could yewando says whoever signed off on melania trump's speech should be fired. this is from a man who's been let go from the trump camp himself. but as we said, that is not happening. here is more of trump's supporters defending melania trump and how the campaign is moving on. >> these were common words and values and she cares about her family, that things like that. i mean she was speaking in front of 35 million people last night. she knew that. to think that she would be cribbing michelle obama's words

is crazy. it's -- so this is once again an example of when a woman threatens hillary clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. it's not going to work. >> look, these are values. republican values, by the way, of hard work, determination, family values, dedication, and respect. and that's melania trump. and this concept that mirm obch obama invented the english language is absurd. look at the remarks of laura bush in 2004. i believe you'll find something similar. >> we don't believe there's anything in that speech that doesn't reflect her thinking. she says -- we're comfortable that the words that she used were words that were personal to her prp the fact that they are things like care and respect and compassion, those are not extraordinary words and certainly when you talk about family, they're normal words. it's politics. we recognize it and we are just going to move on.

we're focusing on the message that melania trump gave last night. we're very pleased about it. >> melania did a great job. i think if you were do a poll on this subject, i think you would see overwhelming support and people impressed with the job that she did last night. so i think in that case it was a successful night. >> all right. let's talk about all of this with cnn political commentator van jones. don baher, chief speech writer for president clinton. cnn political commentator amanda commentator and senior political analyst, david gergen. mega conversation. i know some of you are over it. >> i'm not. >> not over it at all. >> to you. the trump surrogate. >> yeah. >> not van? me? >> to you. not to mr. jones. listen, sara was sort of -- she wasn't saying yes, plagiarism. she didn't go that far but she was acknowledging it was mighty,

mighty familiar to michelle obama's speech. >> we all watched it. this is not trigonometry. it was kind of some basic concepts. i love my husband. he's trustworthy. he's going to keep his promises. >> you think they're common words. >> this is pretty common. is there a chance that some lawyer say this crossed some kind of line? i think that's a little silly. think about two things. first thing is you literally have a vice president of the united states who's been there for seven and a half years who is the most flagrant plagiarizer in the history of our politics. he also lied in lie school. i don't think this is the right road to be down for our country. but let's go see what they're doing. we have a democratic nominee who we all know lied to congress and we all know that james comey pretty much prosecuted her on nationwide tv. >> talking about melania trump. i appreciate that. i hear you're kind of laughing. >> i feel like this is so cruel of the trump campaign to do to their surrogates. you're making a valiant effort. i appreciate are the efforts by sean spicer to compare it to my little pony speech. but the fact is that --

>> hang on. let's play that, shall we? >> brilliant moment in conventions. >> we added 2,000-word statement. we're talking about 70 words, the three passages. melania trump said you work hard for what you get in life. john legend said work hard to be anything you want in life. kid rock said work anything to be anything you want in life. melania trump said the strength in your dreams the willingness to work from them. twilight sparkle from my little pony says in is your dream, anything you can do in your dreams, you can do now. if we want to take a bunch of phrases and run them through google and say who else has said them, i can come up with a list in five minutes. >> yes? >> twilight sparkle didn't give a speech for her husband at a convention. we know what happened. a good speech writer or anyone would have looked at other good speeches for an event like this. that's what they did. just say it was careless. they're making it so much worse, they're making their campaign and surrogates look silly by

distorting reality. it is not necessary. just admit it and move on. >> you wrote speeches for president clinton. what if we take melania -- let's take her at her word, that she wrote the speech. maybe she watched michelle obama's speech in '08. maybe they should have had somebody else watching ann romney's speeches in years past. >> these things happen, usually there is intense ain't skz between the speaker and his or her writer or writers, they work together, and then there is adult supervision. right? there's somebody -- >> no matter who's giving. >> there doesn't appear to be any adult supervision. i think it is the problem with this campaign right now. and that's why this is an issue. the other reason it is an issue is, what is their response? it is the classic trump response. they're going to bully their way through this and try to make everyone think that there is something wrong with their interpretation of her ripping off a speech. instead just coming right out, fessing up, saying, look, somebody made a mistake and here's the issue. maybe melania trump did write the speech because she went and

looked at hillary clinton speeches. she was the person who did the rip-off. >> here is the thing. first of all, it is really hard to do what she did. people literally, americans they say they would almost rather die than have to stand up and give a speech in front of their church or workplace, let alone the biggest crowd, ever. so everybody -- the country's heart is with her. nobody is sitting up here saying she is a terrible person. the problem is, a mistake got made. the question is what is the character of the candidate? when you make a mistake. >> he's furious. >> hey, listen, it is one thing to be mad, it is another thing to take responsibility. >> are you talking about trump or clinton? >> i'm talking about your candidate right now. this is importanti issue. your candidate is doing frighteningly well. your candidate may become president of the united states and people are watching this thing now with new eyes and they're trying to figure out what's the character of this man? if he makes a mistake, and he

will make a mistake in the white house. it happens all the time. will he take responsibility? and apparently he won't. that's why people are upset, sir. >> this is absurd. i agree with your comments, your beginning comments wholeheartedly. this is one of the hardest thing to do. she walked out on that stage, it was a huge moment for her. this is the most important public thing she has done. i think she hit it out of the park. she was very likable. she won people instantly. she loves her husband and it came across. second of all, please, if you are supporting hillary clinton, do not come at this from the idea that you should be honest and trustworthy when you make a mistake. are you kidding me? they have made mistake after mistake after mistake. >> and admitted all of it. >> these are serious things and they want to call her on this on a speech. it is hypocrisy. voters see it and it should stop. >> when did donald trump ever apologize? hillary clinton has acknowledged mistakes and -- >> your point on accountability. >> the trump campaign has made a big point about double standards all along.

they point to hillary. everybody else pays a price, she gets a pass. having taken that position, you have to be willing to apply it to yourself. and if a speech writer did this under don baer, i guarantee you that person would be gone. like that. but if a student turned in a paper like this at a college, they'd be held before the plagiarism board and they'd face possible expulsion. of course there are phrases that are similar to other phrases. but it is the way they were strung together that makes it so apparent that -- >> do voters care, david gergen, at the end of the day? >> voters care about a couple things. they do care about the character of the candidate. i think melania trump was speaking from the heart. she is a fine woman. she's an extraordinarily intelligent woman. how this happened i don't know. i don't blame her personally but i do think the campaign has handled it horribly in the run-up and i think to blame this on hillary clinton as paul

manafort did on this program earlier today is so bizarre! what in the hell does hillary clinton got to do with it? >> usually when you accidentally plagiarize it is because you are trying to figure out i've got to write a speech on solar power around i don't know that much about it so i'm going to go. you're talking about your husband! you're talking about -- >> that's the whole point. >> exactly. so it shouldn't be hard to come up with original pros. >> she loves him, she trusts him, he'll keep his word. he'll be a good leader. these are very vague and big concepts. you really think she opened up a michelle obama speech and wrote it out word for word? >> somebody did. >> yeah, somebody did. >> is that your charge, david gergen, you think someone took michelle obama's speech and -- >> i don't think how you can compare those two speeches and say these were two totally different people who read each other's speeches. i just don't think so. >> because of the structure. >> i think this question of character is a very serious one. i want to come back to this

point about adult supervision. there's no control. right? this is a chaotic, out of control, run-away situation. that's their campaign. let's be honest. everyone knows that. number one. and number two, how does that relate to how donald trump would govern as president? that's where the american people i think are looking at this and going -- >> if i could just say. >> please. >> the idea that this is out of control on the speech of the potential next first lady and you're trying to say that this is somehow that the character of the candidate and that the campaign is out of control, when the country has been forced for a years to deal on the other side with someone who has not been honest. you talked about out of control and chaotic, why don't you criticize that just as strongly? you won't do it. >> what about the other layer to this, speaking to the organization of the campaign, the fact that donald trump during a very emotional, strong speech from patricia smith -- she lost her son in benghazi some years ago. during that speech, that is when he calls in and talks to bill

o'reilly. was that appropriate? >> you know, the timing of these things, that might not be the best of timing. but there is a lot of people crying in the audience, quite honestly. it was a very emotional time. but as you know, there are multiple things going on at the same time. i think the fact he put her up on the stage and was the one who checked off putting these ordinary americans who have had these clinton-inspired tragedies was the right thing to do. i think people in the audience appreciate that. >> much of what you just said is true. >> but not all of it. >> but here's the thing. it is political malpractice to allow the first night of the convention when the main event is going to be the future first lady of the land and you build everybody's expectations of it, and have sand shift and to completely lose the import and impact of the first night going into a second day, you have to admit that is not ideal. >> when he says that -- >> let me make a point here. donald trump is doing something that's going to hurt him long term, he's surrendering the ability to message very important things.

it started by giving mike pence a pass on the iraq war vote. now he's losing melania as a surrogate if they don't fix this. they need melania out there to get women like me. if she is a surrogate she needs to speak in a real authentic way. she has a tougher hill to climb now. then the benghazi message. certain things need to be collected. >> fair enough points. what you want to be talking about this on the first day? of course not. ill'll give you that for sure. do these things look similar? i'll give you that. but the next thing, i think van's point is right. this woman walked out, gave this very important speech. it was tough for her to do. think if the partisan on the other side, look and they're going to jump all over her in this aggressive manner, i think it boomerangs. i think trump's always benefited, he's not a real candidate, oh, his wife took out a speech and copied it word for word, it is over the top and i think the american people are more fair than that. >> why did someone not pay

attention to it? and bring the discipline and the attention to detail that you're supposed to bring in a serious situation? >> okay. >> but he is right that if it looks like people are beating up on her, not only is it not fair to her, it is also politically stupid. the campaign has to take better responsibility. >> they did a disservice. >> you have yet to hear from donald trump. >> we will indeed. thursday night. all right. everyone, thank you very much. i appreciate the conversation. next though, let's look ahead to this evening. one of the big speakers, new jersey governor chris christie, long-time friend of mr. trump's. he's responding today to reports about missing out on the vp slot. hear what he has said. also ahead, cnn takes you to the site where a killer ambushed police officers in baton rouge, louisiana, killing those three men. stay with me, we've got you covered on this tuesday. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. than $300 a week more by driving a few hours a day.

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welcome back. you're watching cnn. we're live here in cleveland, ohio. i'm brooke baldwin. new jersey governor chris christie is coming to melania trump's defense. governor christie is one of the featured speakers this evening scheduled to address the crowd tonight, along with two of mr. trump's children, don jr. and tiffany. cnn's special correspondent, jamie gangel, asked governor christie getting palsed ov inti be trump's running mate and whether he thought mrs. trump plagiarized michelle obama's speech. >> first off, 93% of the speech is absolutely words that were different than michelle obama's speech eight years ago. of the ones that were similar, these were not groundbreaking thoughts that people are raised in this country to work hard, to go for what they want, to make sure their kids reach their dreams. and so i just don't see it. if we're talking about 7% of a speech, that was really

universally considered to be a good performance by melania, i know her. there's no way that melania trump was plagiarizing michelle obama's speech. >> there are phrases that are strikingly similar. >> listen, if you're looking at plagiarism -- and i remember this from back in school -- you're talking about much broader than what we saw last night of people who are copying and lifting from speeches. one, i know her. i don't believe she would do that. and i don't believe that last night sounded like anything other than melania trump. i was sitting there saying, wow, that sounds like michelle obama to me. that sounds like melania trump to me. >> talk to me a little bit about the vice presidency. you were one of the finalists. i know you well enough to know you were disappointed. >> sure. >> did you think that he was going to pick you? >> no. i never had a feeling that i knew i was close but i didn't think i was there. and like you said, i don't like when people come on a show like this and say, no, i didn't care

in the least. come on, no one believes that. i'm a competitive person. when it was clear that donald wanted me to compete for this job, and to be considered, i wanted to win. of course you do. but it's not like my lifetime dream was to be vice president of the united states. so i'm disappointed. no doubt i was disappointed. but i'm over it. believe me, if i'm over the presidential race, i'm certainly over the vice presidential vetting. >> let's talk about chris christie. last night when donald trump walked out to "queen," this big moment. you're going to give your speech tonight. what are you walking out to? >> i have no idea. i have no idea. they haven't told me yet. >> jamie's here with us now fresh off her interview, as is cnn political collector david shalian. first make your point about accidental plagiarism? >> no, chris christie knows better. he's a lawyer. plagiarism is plagiarism, whether it is incidental or accidental.

it's still plagiarism. by all accounts, this was a mistake which makes it accidental as far as we know thus far. but he said something interesting. he said 93% of the speech was okay. >> so what about the other -- >> that's a new bar. that's a new bar. >> exactly. it's a different standard there. >> david, do people care? this is the thing. it is a thing right now, big picture does it? >> donald trump supporters with be this is not going to be a thing that takes one vote away from donald trump. but he's looking to expand votes right now. he's looking to add to what he has. state of the race right now has him a few points behind hillary clinton. so just sticking with the supporters he has isn't the plan right now. he wants to expand beyond that. this is the kind of week where you have this clean shot because you're not taking as much incoming from the opponent have that you have to deal with. this is your moment to talk to the american people. improve your image. in the end, what i think is a

bigger deal, think it is mar more informative to us about how the trump campaign and donald trump in particular deals with this. this is not unfamiliar territory. remember when the "washington post" put up the story that he was on recordings. that was clearly his voice that he portrayed himself as john barron, his own publicist. said, that's not me, i'm moving on. he just moved on. so his whole mentality is to sort of steamroll his way through it. >> is it going to work? >> one of my favorite things that christie said which speaks to this, he said donald trump is not big on mea culpas. right? we haven't seen one apology or one "this was a mistake." so, yeah, he's going to steamroll his way through it unless there's something we're missing. >> yeah. what do you think is the big moment tonight? >> well, i think again, two things going on tonight. the way they did last night, they're going to make the case against hillary clinton. last night it was benghazi.

but tonight it is going to be her e-maile-mails, they'll have prosecutors making the case against her. tiffany, donald trump and don jr. and we'll start to hear from family members again to flush out these other sides of donald trump that we really haven't seen throughout the course of this campaign. >> david and jamie, thank you so much. coming up next here, president obama writes an open letter to a national police union in the wake of the deadly attacks on officers in this country. we'll take you live to baton rouge where cnn has also obtained a new account of the ambush from an eyewitness. we'll be right back.

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let's go to louisiana now. investigators in baton rouge are calling a cop killer's brutal rampage chilling and calculated. they released video of the shooting which was caught on security surveillance cameras. when you watch this, it shows this masked gunman hunting down these unsuspecting officers. three of them were killed. president obama penned an open letter to the nation's police force saying that he "has their backs." he writes, "some are trying to use this moment to divide police and the communities you serve. i reject those efforts for they do not reflect the reality of

our nation." let's go to brian todd who's there live in baton rouge. brian, i know you talked to a witness who says he was actually caught in the gunman's crossfire? >> reporter: that's right, brooke. this witness, marter brown, gave us a riveting account. this area where the shooting occurred more than 48 hours ago, still a crime scene. they carved out a hole in this sign this morning where evidence technicians were processing some evidence. perhaps a bullet marking. also over here, i'm going to show you the fitness expo store where they sell fitness equipment. this was an area where the shooter apparently shot at least two law enforcement officers. tony can walk with me here. got to adjust a little bit for the light but this is a bullet hole right here in the window of the fitness expo. the manager told me he believes this is where one of the shooter's bullets came in. another window is boarded up

over here. what we are getting from witnesses and others is that this was a key moment, key place right over here where this standoff ended. that parking lot is where the shooter was taken down by a s.w.a.t. team number from right about over there at benny's car wash about 100 yards away. he took him out right there. this was after the shooter killed three police officers behind those buildings, made his way around that area right there and confronted one of the officers. that witness that we spoke to, martel brown, was right over here when he saw one of the deputies creep up toward a car and that's when the deputy got hit. this is his account. you don't see the killer but you see an officer approaching this spot. what happens? >> right there. he takes a head shot. >> right here? >> right here. before he gets to the vehicle, before he gets to it he's shot. and then officer right here alongside this building where the bush is at, he's taking cover. he's shot also. he then responds to me telling me to let his partners know that he's been hit.

>> reporter: after he let that officer know that his partner had been hit, the officer who was right over here, brown says, told him to get down, then told him to leave the area. at that point brown says the officer over here started firing. that may have been the s.w.a.t. team officer who finally took out the suspect over here. we're told by police they are convinced that if they hadn't taken him out at that moment, he could have come down here, down airline highway about 600 yards is the baton rouge police headquarters, he would have targeted officers there. that's what police are convinced of at this hour. right now status of the investigation is, they're trying to piece together gavin long's movements in baton rouge in the days leading up to the killings. he was here for several days. they are trying for find out who he might have conversed with, who he met with, where he stayed, brooke. >> absolutely extraordinary. still thinking of that news conference with all those law enforcement this time yesterday and just the emotion. you just don't see that very often. let's also keep in mind the police officer still fighting for his life in the hospital.

brian todd, thank you so much. we'll stay there in louisiana on that story. next though, here in cleveland, the rnc and the trump campaign tripling down on defending mrs. trump. melania trump in the thick of this plagiarism controversy and all these allegations flying today. some are quick to point out president obama and vice president biden have once upon a time also been accused of the same thing. we'll talk about all of it with mike the smerconish up to bat next here in cleveland. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2

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cleveland, day two of the republican national convention. but, the trump campaign and mr. trump specifically, according to sources, is furious over night number one. dominating headlines today, melania trump, his wife, accused of plagiarizing michelle obama's 2008 democratic national convention speech last night. but, mrs. trump swears she wrote it herself without much help. >> has she gone over the speech with you? did you practice it on the plane? >> i went once over it and that's all because i wrote it and will need little help as possible. >> here he is, cnn's michael smerconish. i was watching you until late last night. you signed off at 11 scl 111:00 night great at the rnc. >> it had been. then i woke up to this "something" storm. >> [ bleep ].

>> rookie mistake. i have two sons in college, before they submit term papers just to err on the side of caution, there is a website they go to. they feed it into the website. they make sure that inadvertently they haven't lifted someone else's words without attribution. but the bigger mistake here, the water gate error is that it is the post op that is worse wo now. they should have stood up today and said, damn, we made a mistake. we sure didn't intend to take any of michelle obama's words and now we are looking forward to tonight dplp this whole thing would have truly been a blip had there been that accountability. >> i agree. >> from all sides, this has happened in the past. case in point. >> don't tell me words don't matter. i have a dream. just words. we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men areeated equal. just words. we have nothing to fear but fear

itself. just words. >> we hold these truths to be self-evident. all men are created equal. just words. just words. we have nothing to fear but fear itself. just words. >> so, that initially was massachusetts governor duevadev patrick. >> i think part of the issue with the trump campaign, there is a lack of reflection. i make mistakes every single day and apologize for them. i think that this idea that you did in instead and you deny, deny, deny and don't acknowledge even the smallest of -- it's a misdemeanor. is a mistake. because it makes people wonder

about your credibility after all. >> rudy giuliani. you were on your radio this morning on your show. what kind of feedback were you hearing? >> there was kind after kennedy/nixon thing going on. the age-old story, those who won the radio version thought nixon won and those who watched on television grave it to jfk maybe because he used makeup. i said on the radio this morning, i thought overside melania gave a sigh that i thought it had been a pretty good evening because they all stuck to script. my radio caller inundated me, what about giuliani, that tone was horrific. maybe i was swept in the delegates, the 5,000 were fired up about it. ready to go. right. >> so how it played on tvhe hal. the issue last night, the pence pick and the way in which this trump campaign has rolled out thus far has all been about solidifying the support of the gop. at some point you got to grow

the tent. because these folks in here can't get it done for you alone. so in the next three nights are we going to begin to see that? i think we better for the sake of the trump campaign. >> he's already sort of neck and neck with hillary and you have to grow those numbers. >> brooke, that's a serious point. despite all these faux pass, and sometimes we fixate on them -- >> on both sides. >> right. but he is within the margin of error. >> michael smerconish, see you all week long. do not miss his show. special coverage continues in a moment. like this guy. technically i'm a cook. sign up here. drive a few hours a day. make $300 a week. actually it's a little bit more than that. that's extra buy-you-stuff money. or buy-them-stuff money. calling all early risers, nine-to-fivers

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all right, looking ahead to this evening, two of the more anticipated prime time speakers, paul ryan and dr. ben carson. dr. carson is now on the trump train, paul ryan has had a long

list of problems. so we have our guests here to talk more about it. hello hello hello. how does paul ryan thread the needle tonight? >> i think it was a more difficult needle to thread. now paul ryan has safe ground. he thinks highly of him and he has safe ground to talk about this team with gusto. hymn times does he mention trump's name? >> you talks to chris christie tonight, and he said there is no silver bullet to address trump's woman problem. >>. >> yeah, he was saying basically

there is not one single thing that donald trump can do this week to help with us problems with women voters. but chris christie last night was being a total team player. he talked about being a team player, he said i'm a big boy, and he is ready to help with the transition. >> when mitt romney wanted to be president, and chris christie got on stage, he talked about chris christie and he was buzzed about that. what can we expect from governor christie tonight? >> i think it will be very interesting to watch. he went through a public mourning, so to speak. he wrestled with that in public for the last few days. i think he will try to pick

himself up. he said look, i still have a position, i'm working on the transition. i think he is still trying to elbow his way in there, presenting himself as a potential for the trump administration going forward. but it will be interesting to read his body language up there. >> and of course ben carson, a very important speaker tonight that in a sense that yes, he and trump traded fire, but he had such an edge with evangelicals. and ben carson speaking helps to cement that relationship. >> i'm watching for the kids, we call them kids, but they're adults. two speaking tonight, and personalizing their dad. what will you will listening for? do you think their job will be tougher? >> a tad tougher.

i thought melania shockknocked t of the park, despite the controversy, but she didn't have stories. >> and ivanka later this week will be so important introducing her dad, talking about the married 55 to 30-year-olds who are worried about trump's temperament. thank you so much. marco rubio noticeably absence from the convention as well here, but he will be speaking to jake tapper in a mat r of minutes, don't miss that. special coverage will continue in just a moment.

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welcome to "the lead" live from the republican national convention in cleveland. day one began with some chaos. the republican national committee had a rebellion on the floor of the convention. night one ended with what most people thought would be a high. me lan ya trump delivering a very well received salespeople